Police - Episode 10 A Death In Custody
Police - Episode 10 A Death In Custody
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00:1910 9 8 7 6 5 4 3.
00:30Anybody else got anything for us?
00:38Okay well once again we're thin on the ground.
00:41We will be tomorrow as well, Monday.
00:45Once we've taken half the party for court then we're going to be very thin as well.
00:50By Tuesday we ought to be getting back to something like normal.
00:54So all that we can ask is that you soldier on until then.
00:58Right on to today's stuff.
01:00We've got a parade going through Broad Street.
01:07We will need one panda since we don't have any spare drivers now.
01:11We'll need a panda to drive behind.
01:15Now initially Chris Bergman I'll put you down for that.
01:21Alright?
01:22If you're tucked up then let us know.
01:25What's your car like?
01:27What's Panda 5 like?
01:28It's a bit grubby but I'll give it a wipe over.
01:34Yeah.
01:35Alright well I'll have a look at it and if it's too bad then you can take on the inspector's
01:38car which is unscratched, gleaming white.
01:43Okay the reason that I want a car behind is to stop anybody trying to overtake.
01:49This is always the danger with these processions.
01:51You've got the idiot who tries to overtake and cuts in and takes a few tails off or whips
01:56a few instruments away with his wing mirror.
01:59Don't think I need to say any more about that one.
02:06Just very briefly there has been a cell death during the night here.
02:12It's not one for the press at this stage or for anybody else at this stage.
02:17If there are any queries whatsoever, if you get any queries from anybody then refer them
02:21to me.
02:23There has been a cell death during the night and one of the cells is sealed off.
02:28Yeah.
02:29Alright?
02:30Now that's to remain sealed off until such time as you get other instructions.
02:35How many prisoners have we got down there?
02:38Two sir.
02:39Alright.
02:40Well keep them well away from that cell then.
02:41Don't use the cells on either side unless it's absolutely essential.
02:44Yes sir.
02:45Keep that one sterile.
02:46Yes sir.
02:47Alright?
02:48Yes sir.
02:49I'm quite certain that somebody's down there all the time as well.
02:52Tell Colin that.
02:53Okay.
02:54Yes sir.
03:02Use this car later on for the spread.
03:04Alright sir.
03:05Get down there.
03:06Where is it?
03:07In reasonable time.
03:08I'll just square this down here.
03:11And what we particularly want is advance information when they're actually setting off.
03:19So keep control informed.
03:22What time does it kick off?
03:24They anticipate leaving at quarter to eleven.
03:27Oh.
03:39Beautiful morning.
03:41Quite nice.
03:49Have a look upstairs Charlie, see if you can find anybody.
04:06This chap's name, you got it?
04:09It's probably Robin Barkley.
04:12Robin Edwin Barkley.
04:13Do you know where the landlord lives?
04:15182.
04:16Yeah, we'll try that one out.
04:19Sorry to bother you pal.
04:21Can I just have a word with you?
04:23It is important.
04:24It is important.
04:25Can I have a word with you?
04:26Yes.
04:27Yeah.
04:28Somebody else in there is there?
04:30Somebody else in there is there?
04:31Yes.
04:32Yeah.
04:33Yeah.
04:34I'm looking for a chap.
04:35I'm trying to find something out about a lad named Robin Barkley.
04:38Alright?
04:39Robin Barkley.
04:40Now Robin, does that mean any...
04:42No.
04:43He's not in any bother.
04:45But I've got to find somebody who knows him.
04:47I've got to find him a bit quick.
04:49No, I don't know him at all anyway.
04:51You don't?
04:52Honestly, no.
04:53No.
04:54You're all Irish lads in here then?
04:55Yes.
04:56All of you?
04:57Yes.
04:58Yeah.
04:59I'm trying to find somebody who knows the guy because he's dead.
05:01Yeah.
05:02I've got to try and find somebody who knows the guy who can identify him.
05:05This is what I want.
05:07Yeah.
05:08You can't help me?
05:09I can't help anyway.
05:10No.
05:11OK.
05:12Yeah, what's your name pal?
05:13John Hickey.
05:14John Hickey?
05:15Yes.
05:16Sorry to bother you.
05:17No.
05:18Hi.
05:33Is the coroner's officer actually dealing with this himself?
05:35Or have you got...?
05:36He hasn't been informed yet, the coroner's officer.
05:38Erm...
05:40I was waiting for your instruction on who would actually deal with this.
05:44Whether it should be somebody from here or whether somebody from outside.
05:47Yeah, straightforward enough, hasn't it?
05:49Yeah.
05:50Is it a probationer actually dealing with it?
05:52Or, you know, is it an experienced officer?
05:54That's what it boils down to.
05:55Well, I'm doing it at the moment until the coroner's officer...
05:57Yeah.
05:58..or until you came on anyway.
05:59Let me see if he's on, actually.
06:00We've got to call him up on the rest day or something silly like that.
06:02Well, Harris, I've got a number for Harris.
06:04Yeah.
06:05I haven't seen him yet.
06:06Could I speak to the duty inspector, please?
06:10I wonder if you can help me, please.
06:12We've had a cell death during the night.
06:15Yeah.
06:16And we're not absolutely certain
06:19that we've identified the individual yet.
06:23In his possession is a letter from his mother
06:26at an address in Eastbourne.
06:29Can you get somebody to go around there?
06:34Obviously, she'll have to be informed.
06:37And what we're wanting is to get the body identified.
06:42Yeah.
06:43OK, thanks very much.
06:44Thank you, James.
06:53I'll give you the story, then, Mr Harris.
06:56Right.
06:5722.50, last night.
07:00PC Patton...
07:02..detained a guy we believe is Robin Barclay.
07:07Drunk and incapable.
07:09Drunk and incapable in market way.
07:12Pointed out by a member of the public.
07:14He was put in the van.
07:16There were other officers in the van
07:19and there was another prisoner in the van as well.
07:22He was brought into the station.
07:25PC Mackey was the jailer.
07:28Charge sheet here.
07:30Regular checks done on him.
07:33But at 12.15...
07:36..PC Mackey saw that he was flat on his back.
07:39Went into the cell and the bloke started to vomit.
07:44Then PCs Mackey and Johnson...
07:50..carried out first aid.
07:52They did mouth-to-mouth and cardiac massage.
07:56Ambulance was called.
07:58Unfortunately, he had to come from Bracknell.
08:02Didn't arrive till ten to one.
08:05Taken to Royal Barks.
08:08Arrived there...
08:10..ten past one.
08:19Emergency cardiac treatment there.
08:22But he was certified dead...
08:25..at 1.25.
08:27At 1.25.
08:35The statements here from every officer involved...
08:39..except PC Johnson,
08:41who was over from the two-to-ten squad.
08:44So you can get that this afternoon from him.
08:47Yes, sir.
08:49Has there been a funeral?
08:51No funeral has been arranged.
08:53No, no, no, that's down to you.
08:55At the moment, we're trying to get this guy identified.
08:58He's believed to have been living in a doss house at 21 Russell Street.
09:02We've been round there a couple of times.
09:05Full of Irish gentlemen who don't know him.
09:08We're still trying to get hold of the bloke who runs the place, McGreevy.
09:12Fine.
09:14OK, you take it on from there, then.
09:17If you want any help from me or my party.
09:19Shout.
09:21I will, sir.
09:24Over to you, then.
09:54PAPER RUSTLES
10:09DOOR OPENS
10:11DOOR CLOSES
10:13DOOR CREAKS
10:24PAPER RUSTLES
10:32PAPER RUSTLES
10:35DOOR OPENS
10:37PAPER RUSTLES
10:39PAPER RUSTLES
10:41Will there be a post-mortem today at all?
11:02Yes, sir.
11:03Probably sometime this afternoon.
11:05Yeah.
11:06Would you hold that for the moment until the swine does rest?
11:09All right.
11:10Who will do it?
11:11I haven't arranged anything, but probably Professor Ment or Dr Lee.
11:15Yeah.
11:21Are you pleased?
11:22Yeah.
11:23I'd better see you about it, sir.
11:25Which office are you in?
11:27Right, I'm on my way up.
11:36Morning, sir.
11:37How are you doing?
11:39Oh.
11:40I didn't realise you were coming down.
11:43Yeah, I was covering today, actually.
11:48Yeah.
11:49What's the problem here?
11:51There is a problem.
11:56I don't know if you've read the statements at all yet.
11:58No, sir.
11:59No.
12:00The indication is, um...
12:06Yeah.
12:08That, um...
12:09The prisoner was found unconscious.
12:11Yes, that's what the message says.
12:13Pardon?
12:14That's what the message says.
12:15Yeah.
12:16Lying on a footpath.
12:17Yeah.
12:18Standing order says that.
12:29And what do the statements say?
12:33The statements, if you read through them,
12:35they indicate that that was the situation.
12:40They certainly did what they could, didn't they?
12:42Mouth-to-mouth resuscitation.
12:49You see, unless you talk to these people, Peter...
12:52I then saw PC Hawley and PC Patton lift him from the ground
12:55by supporting him under both arms
12:57and walk him towards the trousers.
12:59Well, walk him, are they talking?
13:01Dragging him, are they? I wouldn't assume so.
13:03It looks from the statements as if they've lifted him
13:06because of his condition.
13:09But he is moaning and moving about, isn't he?
13:11Yes.
13:12As opposed to being absolutely spiked, isn't he?
13:14Reading these.
13:19So, somebody thinks that we were in...
13:21in compliance with the... absolutely to the letter of the law.
13:25It should quickly be told in due course.
13:31KNOCK AT DOOR
13:32Entrez.
13:35Hello.
13:36Hello, sir.
13:37How are you?
13:38Fine, thank you.
13:39All quite on your front, is it?
13:41Well, apart from what you're reading, sir.
13:43Which is what I've come up to see you about.
13:45Well, that, possibly, because I'm a bit of a...
13:48I'm a bit of a...
13:49I'm a bit of a...
13:50I'm a bit of a...
13:52Well, that, possibly, because headquarters have been on.
13:55Obviously, I want to know when we're going to have a PM
13:57and make sure there's nothing suspicious and all the rest of it.
14:00I thought I'd come to have words with you first before I went any further.
14:03Well, come in.
14:04We've...
14:06We're all coming in on the act now.
14:08I mean, I spoke to Inspector Turner earlier on this weekend
14:11and at that stage he was going back home to Russell Street
14:13and I was going to settle my case.
14:15Yeah, that's...
14:16The next of kin situation.
14:18Yeah, from that point of view.
14:19And to get Harris, the coroner's officer, out.
14:21Yeah.
14:22Is Harris...?
14:23He's out. I've had a word with him.
14:25So, they're not panicking about Home Office pathologists, are they?
14:28Not at the present time, but I was going to see you first
14:30and see what your feelings were.
14:31If there'd been a punch-up or something leading to this,
14:33it'd be a different sort of a thing.
14:39Any problems we've got are going to be to do with administrative nonsense,
14:44you know, anything that we...
14:46But certainly it'll be a shame, because I think young Mackie...
14:52..acted very...
14:55I'm just wondering, at this stage, there is obviously...
15:03..some problems involved with this.
15:07Maybe, maybe, yeah.
15:09There is on the statements which are there,
15:11to what is in standing orders.
15:14I'll read that afterwards, the whole thing.
15:16I didn't go down the whole page, yes.
15:18So, what do you say?
15:19Roughly amounts to the fact that if he's found unconscious...
15:22Yeah.
15:23..he should go on to hospital.
15:25If he arrives at the police station and he's unconscious,
15:29then a police surgeon should be called straight away.
15:32And that every 15 minutes, because of his condition,
15:36he has to be aroused.
15:38Well, you and I are trying to conduct an inquest
15:40before we really know as far as I'm concerned, Peter,
15:42because reading that, he was unconscious at the time he came in.
15:46So, if somebody wants to stir it up later on, they will.
15:49I've no doubt.
15:50Well, it's obviously my job to pay attention.
15:52Thank you very much, I'm grateful.
15:55What's that, 1486?
15:57There's two parts to it.
15:59I'll read the blue book afterwards.
16:02Are you staying here for a bit?
16:04Am I? Yeah, yeah.
16:06I haven't seen you in a long time.
16:08Some Southern nonsense.
16:11As far as the PM goes...
16:13Yeah.
16:14..shall I just wait till I hear back from you
16:17regarding whether it's the normal pathologist from the hospital?
16:22It will be, sir. It will be, sir.
16:24Right.
16:26Right.
16:28Right.
16:30Unless you hear anything to the contrary, then just go ahead as normal.
16:35Well, what I plan is to wait
16:38until the mother comes out from the spawn to identify.
16:41Yeah.
16:42Then I'll arrange with one of the Home Office pathologists
16:45for PM late this afternoon.
16:47Well, it's late, probably about three o'clock.
16:49When you say Home Office pathologist,
16:51what's made you change your mind into that?
16:53Well, because he was a man in police custody, that's all.
16:56Yeah.
16:57Good. OK, thank you very much.
17:06There you go. If you can unlock it, of course, please.
17:23Let's see if you come out, I think.
17:26Are you going to do one of the follow-up?
17:28Yeah.
17:29And then one from the corners first.
17:31Other one.
17:36Yes, Mr and Mrs Fitzsimons, in fact, have come in.
17:39That's mother and stepfather. Right.
17:41They're on their way up here now.
17:43She wrote to him when he was in Bedford.
17:45She last heard from him three weeks ago.
17:47He's got staxiform, been wondering about a fair bit.
17:50Apparently very nice people.
17:52She's apparently a very nice woman.
17:54This is Mr and Mrs Barkley, sir.
17:56Please.
18:01I'm sorry to say, under these circumstances,
18:03I just wanted to come down as a matter of courtesy
18:05since the lad was in our custody at the time.
18:09Yes.
18:10You're just explaining what's going to happen, are you?
18:12I have, sir, yes.
18:13And we'll go up to the Royal Varsity Hospital in a moment
18:16and do the identification.
18:19Well done.
18:20And obviously, anything at all, any queries you have,
18:23get straight on to us, won't you?
18:25Anything we can do at all.
18:27It's one of those things.
18:28I know he's had this drink problem.
18:30I've dealt with him vomiting at home.
18:32I see.
18:33He seems to poison his system, alcohol, when he was younger.
18:37Is there any hint of suspicion of drugs anywhere?
18:39Yes, he did, but he was on drugs.
18:41I don't know whether he's still on drugs.
18:43I don't know.
18:44From a pathologist's point of view,
18:46obviously it might help us.
18:47I think he was on drugs certainly when he was 18, 19.
18:50Yes.
18:51He's 26 now.
18:53He's a single man?
18:54Well, I don't know.
18:56I honestly don't know.
18:58As far as I know, he's single.
19:00Yes.
19:01He was not very communicative.
19:03I haven't had very much...
19:04You know, they run away from home,
19:06and you don't know where they are.
19:08I have a letter.
19:09That's right.
19:10He came to me in May.
19:12I have a letter from him here.
19:13That's the most recent communication, presumably.
19:15Yeah, but funny enough, it's still in the bag.
19:17This is a letter he wrote to me.
19:19It's the first letter I've had from him for years.
19:22And you're certainly welcome to have it if it's of any help.
19:28That's Northampton posted.
19:30Yes.
19:32Undated, so what's the...
19:347th... 20th of May, so, this year.
19:38And I wrote back the same day as I received that,
19:41cos I'm eager to...
19:42So John must have a job and a decent home coming up soon.
19:46Yes, but he lied to me.
19:47Oh, I see.
19:48I mean, I'm awfully sorry to say this about him,
19:51but I just could not believe anything he said.
19:54He only told me what he thought I would like to know.
19:57Ah.
19:58Not necessarily the truth.
20:05But I think drugs have probably had quite a lot to do with the run-up,
20:10you know.
20:11So this is just a...
20:12Please, you don't need to send a letter.
20:15Well, we asked him, as we always have done, to keep in touch.
20:19He may do and he may not.
20:21It's been going on for, what, ten years?
20:24Well, you can appreciate our concern, obviously, here.
20:27Yes. Oh, yes.
20:28The thing will be thoroughly investigated from...
20:30Well, it's one of those things that...
20:32But we'll go through the necessary formalities this afternoon.
20:44There's been a death of a prisoner overnight,
20:49which has caused a few problems.
20:51Death, is it?
20:52Yeah. Well, he died... He was certified dead in the hospital.
20:56But there have been a few problems.
20:59Which is the home address of WPC Harris...
21:06..who was on nights.
21:07Could you ask her, on the instructions of Superintendent East,
21:10to be at Reading Police Station today at 1600 hours?
21:19To be interviewed regarding the death of the prisoner
21:22in the cells last night.
21:24The story of last night, obviously, your statement's going to be required.
21:27Yeah, urgently. Yeah.
21:29Yeah, I mean, you're the only one on now
21:31who's got first-hand knowledge of what actually happened.
21:34Yeah, that's true.
21:35There's still been an item, but your statement, obviously,
21:37is going to be required at this point. Yeah, OK, sir.
21:39Anyway, Mr Harris, I'll sort that out. Right, yeah. Thank you.
22:09Come in, please.
22:18Have a seat.
22:32I'd like you to just sit tightly for a moment
22:35and I'll arrange for you to sleep.
22:37OK, yes.
22:48In view of the circumstances,
22:50I have employed one of the country's top pathologists,
22:55Professor Keith Mend, on behalf of the Home Office,
22:59to do the examination for us.
23:03And we will open the inquest as soon as I can
23:07so that the body can be released for funeral.
23:10And all we need for the opening inquest
23:13is evidence of identification
23:16and a report showing the cause of death.
23:25Normally, his personality was that of a quiet man, was it?
23:30He was a very quiet boy.
23:32He needed something to boost his self-confidence
23:35and a drink did that.
23:37He was able to talk, assert himself more.
23:41Yes.
23:42And then if he had more drink, you know,
23:45and perhaps have another one,
23:47he would rather spoil himself and get slightly aggressive.
24:06Hello, sir.
24:08These are the parents of the gentleman's good son.
24:11I'm just having a chat with him and a statement.
24:14Unfortunately, I've been so altered since my last visit.
24:18I've had an awful job finding...
24:20I thought you'd be here.
24:22Yes, but they didn't have the one-way system.
24:25My car's right down the far end somewhere.
24:28All right, sir. OK.
24:30I'm going to check with you in a few minutes, sir.
24:35If you want to go and sit yourself down somewhere,
24:38tell me where you'll be.
24:40We'll be back about half four, you think.
24:43Half four? We were told to be here for four.
24:46He didn't know he had to go to this, you see.
24:49It was on this line last night.
24:51Yes.
24:53Where will you be, love?
24:56Erm...
24:58Best idea is if you all assemble in the sergeant's office.
25:02Yeah, OK. OK.
25:05And, er, one of them is juvenile.
25:07His father wasn't available.
25:09By the time I'd got them in,
25:11got my statements of evidence,
25:13it was then taken over, yes.
25:15Yeah, it all started happening.
25:17Did it? Yeah.
25:19So, you know, that's how I was hit.
25:25Bloody awful.
25:27I'm quite pleased I wasn't.
25:29Yeah.
25:31There was quite a few of them there, wasn't there? I bet there was.
25:37And there's no reply at this house.
25:39So you're only getting, what, three of us?
25:41At the moment.
25:43Oh. You know, it is a bit early, let's face it.
25:46Well, it is really. In fact, seven o'clock would have been a better time,
25:50which is the time Mackey's coming in.
25:52So what happens... Were you late off or did you get off at the same time?
25:56I was late off.
25:58So what happens... Were you late off or did you get off at six?
26:01We went off at six. It's still a bit early, I agree.
26:04What time you get home?
26:06We got off at six, but, you know, it's not exactly easy to sleep, is it?
26:10No. Even though there's nothing wrong.
26:13Mm.
26:46Um, I had one reported as a chronic alcoholic the other day,
26:50and I think that the drank a glass of sherry a day.
26:54HE LAUGHS
26:59HE SIGHS
27:10Good. Now, of course, there's room for some blood,
27:13which will take from the right heart.
27:17HE SIGHS
27:27There's never been any history, I suppose, of this chap
27:30who's got this injury under his scar, under his chin.
27:33Never had a head injury, you know.
27:35Not that Mother said.
27:37The only one she knows about is over-the-shoulder injuries.
27:40Yes. I'll tell you why. Of course, people who've had old head injuries,
27:44they react rather badly to, sometimes, to alcohol,
27:47and, um...
27:50..they can't take very much, and they get rather, um...
27:56..in a change of personality after a few drinks.
28:02It varies, of course, considerably, but...
28:15HE SIGHS
28:31I can't get rid of you, I'm bloody late, too, aren't I?
28:36Not too bad a chance, normally.
28:39Just another bloody 4 o'clock in the morning.
28:42Yeah.
28:43That was drifty, wasn't it?
28:47Lucky we're, eh? Mm.
28:57You've all received this, sir. When you finish now,
29:00you can leave and run below, as preferred.
29:03This is worse than waiting for that headless thing, isn't it?
29:07He's got these...
29:09..tears.
29:11Yes, they're not going all the way through,
29:14because you do sometimes, if it's really violent,
29:17they do, in fact, burst like gullies.
29:29But this has got these superficial splits in the lining here.
29:36I've just finished reading Professor Simpson's book, actually.
29:39Oh, do you get him to autograph it?
29:42Oh, no, I haven't seen him personally.
29:44Well, if you wanted autographs,
29:46if you were ever up in London, just leave it at Guy's,
29:49and he comes in two or three times a week.
29:52Does he?
29:53The Secretary's always got a lot of books out.
29:57Police officers want them autographed.
30:01Now, you see, it's got this froth.
30:04This is gastric contents here.
30:08You can see the sort of bile stained with a little bit of blood,
30:12but very little blood. It's nearly all gastric contents.
30:15It's frothy down here, coming out.
30:18And you see, what they do, they inhale,
30:21and then they exhale, and then they inhale,
30:24and then they exhale, and then they inhale,
30:28and you see, what they do, they inhale and drown.
30:40I'm back to the station.
30:42I'll see you back there.
30:44OK, John.
30:46See you back later.
30:48A sort of perennial problem,
30:50that a drunk goes into a police station,
30:53and he happens to roll over onto his back
30:56and he starts regurgitating.
30:59One that matches that.
31:01Yeah.
31:03And it runs down his airway, and he checks on it.
31:08There's only fluid there, but he had to inhale a lot.
31:12CRD angle, I was concerned.
31:14Yes.
31:16Of course, it's always worrying when someone dies in police custody.
31:20Well, exactly, so we've got to make sure it's done properly.
31:23He never knows what happened before we found him, of course,
31:26on the street.
31:28Lovely, thank you very much.
31:31Find your jacket, please.
31:33Here we are.
31:35Right, there's the Nanga Korana,
31:37and if you send your account and report to me, please.
31:41Yes, well, what I used to do, I bring along,
31:44if you want an account,
31:46I can bring it along when I come to inquest.
31:50Wouldn't you like to...?
31:52Well, I shall probably open the inquest as soon as I've got a cause of death.
31:56I can give you a cause of death if you want that.
32:01Inhalation of gastric contents.
32:06Are you going to put this to a press release or not, not at this stage?
32:09Not at this stage, I don't see there's any point in it.
32:12I mean, there's nothing sinister in it at all.
32:14No, not at this stage. I suppose, probably we will do.
32:17I mean, otherwise people will say, well, why aren't they?
32:19Yes, we'll do later on.
32:21I've made statements, and they're very good statements,
32:24but I want to remind you of standing orders, OK?
32:28No, but yours is OK, it doesn't affect you.
32:30If I may just remind you of this, and in fact I'll write it down
32:33so you can see what I'm talking about.
32:35And then I'll get you, please,
32:37I'll refer to the individual statements with you, if I may.
32:40See, we're starting off here.
32:42Um, 52.
32:46Drunk prisoners will be visited at half-hourly intervals
32:49and spoken to on each visit.
32:51Well, does that involve anybody here?
32:53No, you weren't. This is Mackie and so on, isn't it?
32:56That's OK.
32:58Which I know, the orders were complied with
33:01because of the charge sheet.
33:03When a prisoner is found unconscious,
33:05he will be taken to hospital without delay,
33:08preferably by ambulance,
33:10even though there may be grounds for suspecting that he is drunk.
33:13His unconsciousness could be the result of something more serious.
33:16Now, this guy wasn't unconscious, was he?
33:18No, we tapped him on the face and he came round and started struggling with me.
33:22Exactly. You mentioned waving his arms around
33:25and rolling over to one side and one thing and another,
33:28and in fact mumbling, I believe.
33:30Yes, I was mumbling.
33:32Right, well, now, can we make that perfectly clear?
33:35So was he struggling or not?
33:38It's quite hard to describe, but he was.
33:40To be quite honest, I thought he was going to hit him.
33:44Well, that's great.
33:45Well, I say it's great. I mean, the guy wasn't unconscious then.
33:48So you're going to tell me, if you will, please,
33:51that he was virtually struggling
33:53and certainly you had that impression that he was going to try and lay one on him.
34:02So I'll put another little thing there, OK,
34:04where you've said wave his arms.
34:07I looked, his eyes sorely dilated.
34:09You see, wholly, all right.
34:11Now then, I lifted Barkie from the ground
34:13and, supporting him under his arms, walked him to the transit.
34:17I then lifted Barkie into the transit.
34:20Now, and other people say half-walked, half-carried.
34:23Now, did he, was he in fact walking?
34:26Well, when we first lifted him up,
34:29and we walked him, he wasn't so heavy,
34:31but near the van, his legs just went...
34:34Was he trailing his legs like this
34:36or was he attempting to walk?
34:38I think he was attempting to walk at the first part,
34:41but when we got near the van, his legs just went
34:44and we had to carry him fully.
34:47Right. So can you cut that in for me then?
34:50You know, initially, albeit with support,
34:52he was walking with you back to the transit.
34:55OK?
34:56Allowed him to lay face down in the vehicle.
34:59Totally proper.
35:01Um, smelled alcohol.
35:03You formed the opinion he was drunk.
35:06Yes? Yes.
35:07We all then went in the transit to Reading Police Station.
35:10The two witnesses got out.
35:12Um, now then, PC Hawley and I
35:15then carried Mr Barkley from the vehicle.
35:19Now, how, what sort of state is he in now?
35:23Uh, well, he was mumbling in the van as we came in
35:27and he was still, um...
35:29When we carried him into the charge office,
35:32he was still sort of mumbling and we put him down
35:35and he seemed to be asleep and started snoring.
35:38Right.
35:39So when you say you carried him,
35:41you're not carrying him as you were to the vehicle.
35:44You're now imagining head and...
35:47Yes, I had his shoulders and support in his head
35:51and PC Hawley had his legs.
35:53Firstly, he was absolutely carrying him.
35:56Can you just say that in the part for us?
35:59Um...
36:03And certainly you're saying here
36:05he was snoring and mumbling.
36:07Oh, that's... OK.
36:08He's not unconscious? No.
36:12Relate to the facts of the office,
36:14Sargent had directed myself and Mackey
36:16to place him in cell 13.
36:17It would be 13, wouldn't it?
36:19Carried him to the cell, placed him in the low bench
36:22in the proper recovery room and left him asleep and snoring.
36:25Fine.
36:26I want to make this watertight.
36:28I don't want any queries from the White House.
36:32It's very good.
36:33In fact, you say,
36:34Barclay this time appeared to be attempting to walk
36:37until he almost reached the...
36:39Well, that's...
36:42If you can elaborate on this walking,
36:45although you do mention afterwards
36:47he appeared to be attempting to walk.
36:49Anyway, if you will, please.
36:53Which one of them left?
36:54Shall we leave them here?
36:55Well, I'll be about.
36:56You'll be about, OK.
36:57I'm afraid I'm going home now.
36:59No, if I'm not, being serious about it, if you will,
37:02because I just won't be sitting here,
37:04if you would leave them on the desk, if I'm not.
37:07Would you like me to make the effort
37:09and get these R3 tight-tied tonight?
37:11Cos I don't mind doing it. I can tie it.
37:13That would be rather nice.
37:15We can get the whole thing up there tomorrow.
37:17Super. Good.
37:19Thanks very much indeed.
37:20And I did thank you at the beginning, didn't I?
37:23Because there's no question...
37:25Just jolly hard luck, isn't it?
37:35How long did it take us to write this last night?
37:38Three hours?
37:42Hello, Ahmed.
37:44Nice and colourful today, Ahmed.
37:47Cheers, mate.
37:48Nice and colourful.
37:51Nice and colourful today, Ahmed.
37:53Cheers, mate.
37:54That makes you look better.
37:56Huh? That makes you look better.
37:58Where have you been, then?
38:00I got in a bit of form, so I don't know.
38:02Where have you been? Huh?
38:03Where have you been?
38:04I just came back from Wallingford.
38:06Wallingford.
38:15It's in the paper. Huh?
38:17It's in the evening post.
38:20Today?
38:21Yeah.
38:22It's a bit quick.
38:23Well...
38:24See you all tonight.
38:25Yeah, see you, Dick.
38:26Cheers.
38:27It'll probably be in the national press tomorrow.
38:29What do you mean, no?
38:31Of course it will.
38:34That bruise, incidentally, sir, under the right eye,
38:37it was extremely superficial.
38:39Yes.
38:40It was superficial, and the pathologist examined that very carefully,
38:44and it could have been caused by anything,
38:47but it certainly wasn't severe at all.
38:49No.
38:50No.
38:53He did have a fractured rib on the left side,
38:56which was consistent with a cardiac massage.
38:59Yes.
39:05Have any questions arisen that you'd like to ask?
39:08No.
39:09No, I think you've been very helpful under the circumstances.
39:12We're very grateful for your...
39:14...sympathy and kindness.
39:16Thank you very much.
39:17It's been a very difficult day for us, obviously.
39:19Of course.
39:20But you've made it very much easier, and the BBC, too.
39:23I know.
39:33There is some cash,
39:35a key ring,
39:37a metal bracelet,
39:39and a St. Christopher.
39:42A chain.
39:45Um...
39:46Tobacco and his clothes,
39:49with one ring.
40:00As soon as he's free, we'll get that pot as well.
40:02How come there's this many Wendy's?
40:04These boys and girls alone.
40:08There must be so many of them wandering around the country.
40:11Their parents never even know that they're dead.
40:15Are you a first aider, you know,
40:17other than what you learn normally,
40:19through the normal things?
40:20Do you remember the first aid team around here?
40:22I used to be a state animal nurse.
40:24Did you?
40:25Oh, I see.
40:26So this came pretty naturally to you.
40:28Well, reading your statement, it did.
40:30Now then, the point is that you can appreciate
40:32the mere fact that we have a prisoner dying in the cells
40:35causes all sorts of hello, hello.
40:38And so I want the whole thing to be done absolutely right
40:41from the paper point of view.
40:45Now then,
40:47there was an instruction to check him every quarter of an hour,
40:51which I did.
40:52At 23.15 hours, I checked him,
40:54I moved him and spoke to him.
40:56He then spoke in a very slurred manner.
40:58Yes, I...
40:59So obviously you're aware of the forced instruction
41:01regarding drunken prisoners, how...
41:03In fact, it says it here.
41:06You were ultra-cautious here
41:07because it's every half an hour that they have to be visited
41:10and shaken.
41:11But you were doing it every quarter hour on the instruction,
41:14which is fine.
41:18Having said that, at 23.30, I again checked him.
41:21I found he'd changed into his position
41:23from lateral to lying flat on his back.
41:25I repositioned him to the lateral.
41:27So again, obviously at that stage,
41:29you must have roused him.
41:31Yes, sir.
41:33I repositioned him to the lateral position.
41:35At midnight...
41:36Now, that's the point.
41:38At 23.30 hours, you checked him.
41:40Yes, sir.
41:41I found he'd changed his position.
41:43At midnight, again I checked him.
41:45So it's half an hour later.
41:47We've gone off the quarter of an hour.
41:49Don't you see, sir, I did...
41:51And yet the charge sheet shows he was visited.
41:53Yes, sir.
41:55Sorry?
41:56There should be another check before midnight, sir.
41:58There is.
41:59But of course, your statement doesn't bear it out.
42:0523.15, 23.30, 23.45, asleep.
42:09OK, that's your signature, isn't it?
42:11Yes, sir.
42:12Right, so you've got the date of the visit,
42:14the hour of the visit,
42:15the time of the visit,
42:16the time of the visit,
42:17the date of the visit,
42:18the time of the visit,
42:19the time of the visit,
42:20the time of the visit,
42:21the time of the visit,
42:22the time of the visit,
42:23you've omitted to mention that visit.
42:29Don't mind me slashing your statement.
42:34Will you understand this after you've left this office?
42:36Yes, I will, sir.
42:37Hmm?
42:38Yeah.
42:54I wouldn't have said he was violent by any means.
42:56No, I didn't say... No, sorry.
42:58The impression she got, this girl,
43:00and it was odd, difficult for her to...
43:02I said, well, look, here we are with a man who's drunk and incapable,
43:05lying on the floor,
43:06and yet she had that feeling,
43:08that's really what it boils down to,
43:09she thought that when the PC went,
43:11that this chap, you know, he opened his eyes
43:13and she thought he was going to get up and clobber Bobby,
43:15for whatever reason.
43:16That was the impression she got.
43:17But certainly the man, she said, he began struggling.
43:20Yeah, he was certainly waving his arms about.
43:22The point I'm trying to get home, you see,
43:24that this lad, he wasn't unconscious by any manner of means, was he?
43:27So can you elaborate on that, Pete?
43:29OK.
43:30Er, your two witnesses for the other business
43:33were allowed from the vehicle outside.
43:36Er, Mr Little, Mr Little.
43:38He was the prisoner that's now been arrested.
43:41Oh, I didn't appreciate that.
43:43I mean, he's now a witness.
43:45Well, he is to this. He has to be arrested every time.
43:48Yeah, I didn't appreciate that he was, um...
43:52In fact, the person you'd arrested.
43:56Where's Little's statement by?
43:58Because he, in fact, told us
44:00that he'd seen this man drinking earlier on.
44:02Had he been unconscious, you wouldn't have put him in the cells.
44:05No, his breathing was...
44:07You know, his death would suggest he wasn't drunk.
44:09Yeah.
44:10You know, badly drunk.
44:12I mean, from your experience, you've seen enough drunken people,
44:15and, I mean, this was a classic example of a drunken person.
44:18Yes, sir.
44:19Would you elaborate on that for me,
44:21then, the fact that, obviously, you know,
44:23describe his condition as you saw it.
44:26So, if you will, you know, explain that, um, reasons,
44:30and you accepted the charge.
44:32So, let's see, you know, why,
44:35and make sure, obviously, we know that you were fully justified.
44:38I know you were.
44:39But it's not made absolutely clear in that statement, I'm afraid.
44:43I'll send a letter to the girl, Alan, then she...
44:45Yep.
44:46..turn up with the others.
44:47That's good. Thank you very much indeed.
44:50I'll send a letter to the girl, Alan, then she...
44:52Yep.
44:53..turn up with the others.
44:54That's good. Thank you very much indeed.
45:11Hello, young lady.
45:12Evening, gentlemen.
45:13Telephone at home.
45:14Telephone at home?
45:15It's not right here.
45:16No, it's not.
45:17No, it's not.
45:18I gather you came on earlier. You just had another slight head.
45:21That's right, I did, yeah.
45:22That's right.
45:23Four?
45:24Mm.
45:25Who are we fixed for tonight,
45:26in view of the fact that all our lot seem to have come on earlier,
45:29or quite a few?
45:30Well, some of them came on at four o'clock.
45:32We don't know where they've, in fact, all gone home.
45:36Alan, over here.
45:39Er, Japanese motorcars are again being damaged
45:42by the Moby Dick group.
45:44Do you get any offences of that nature?
45:47Karen Turner, the missing person, has been returned home.
45:50Good.
45:51I gather that our man from last night has been identified.
45:54He was the man from Eastbourne that we thought of.
45:56PM was done today.
45:58I've got a phone, Mr Roos, so I don't really know...
46:00Well, I expect you know as much about it as I do at this stage.
46:03Um...
46:05Anybody got anything?
46:08Are you interested? No.
46:11No.
46:16There were statements from all of the officers concerned,
46:18a statement from the other man who was arrested,
46:21who was... who saw Barkley being arrested,
46:24who was in the van with him, who was in the charge room with him.
46:27No, obviously not themselves with him.
46:29Yeah. Yeah.
46:33Yes, OK.
46:35I suppose the only, er...
46:38The only difficulty is whether or not we should have called a...
46:41It's a perennial question of whether we should have called a doctor earlier on.
46:45This standing order are quite specific if there's any doubt
46:49as to the man's condition.
46:50If, for example, he exhibits signs of drunkenness
46:53but there's no smell of alcohol, then there's a question of illness.
46:56But, in fact... He was drunk.
46:59..two of the statements quite specifically state,
47:02at the scene and at the police station,
47:04that there was a strong smell of alcohol,
47:06er, when he was placed in the van,
47:08the other prisoner recognised him as someone who'd been in the pub
47:11at the same time as he was.
47:13So there was clear evidence of alcohol.
47:15There was no reason for anyone to think that it was other than alcohol.
47:18Nor, indeed, is that the suggestion now?
47:20There aren't any other things that you know
47:22that I don't know about this, are there?
47:25About a sudden death?
47:27No.
47:29There is only one small point,
47:31in fact, that one of those witnesses,
47:33who was a flatmate with a bit of luck,
47:35when I sorted the property out at the railway station,
47:38I should knock him for burglary up in Derbyshire.
47:40Go on.
47:42One of those that we've not said.
47:44That's fine, yes.
47:46Yes, I want to clear the property up first, but I did a check on him
47:49after I'd taken the statement, and he's wanted for burglary.
47:52And so I think it's more diplomatic to get the property sorted out
47:55before I lift him.
47:57I think he'll still be here.
47:59Oh, yes, he's going to phone me this afternoon.
48:01He was certainly here yesterday.
48:03Must be a bit thick, then.
48:05Well...
48:06Can't give me the details of himself,
48:08knowing that he's wanted.
48:11He probably doesn't know that we know he's wanted.
49:03.