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00:00 Assalamu alaikum and welcome to the show The Reporters.
00:05 I'm your host, Shaista Yusuf and I'm joined by our analysts, Chaudhary Ghulam Hussain and Hassan Ayub.
00:13 The decision to make a practice and procedure case came after five hearings yesterday.
00:20 The law was repealed.
00:23 Some people said that the decision was made by a specific person.
00:29 We will talk about this too. But according to the 7-8 decision, if the divorce is not made on the previous decision,
00:37 then this impression will be lost or not. We will talk about this too.
00:41 We will talk about whether Nawaz Sharif benefited or lost from this decision.
00:46 But when this decision came yesterday, Shahbaz Sharif came to the field and tweeted.
00:54 You can see the tweet.
01:00 He welcomed it.
01:02 The last line of this tweet was
01:15 According to the opinion of legal experts, the divorce of the particular case is not on Nawaz Sharif.
01:29 And it will not affect the case of Nawaz Sharif.
01:35 Former Minister of Justice Azam Nazeer Tariq came to the field and said that this appeal was not so important in the case of Nawaz Sharif.
01:45 After the amendment in the election act, the Supreme Court's observation on his dismissal was over.
01:49 Listen to what he says.
01:52 You are talking about the right of appeal.
01:55 He saw the court and said that it cannot be retrospective.
02:02 This appeal was not so important in the case of Nawaz Sharif.
02:06 After the amendment in the election act, it is unchallenged and it is a right of time.
02:12 The Supreme Court's observation on his disqualification was over.
02:18 Today he is qualified in that regard.
02:21 When the other cases related to his deputy come to court, they will be decided by their marriage.
02:27 So Azam Nazeer Tariq is saying that after the amendment in the election act, the case of Nawaz Sharif was not left.
02:36 A legal expert, Salman Akram Raja, said that Nawaz Sharif will collect the names of the documents with the support of the election act.
02:46 Listen to what he says.
02:49 The law has been made, the election act, which has been said to be five years in the constitution, under article 62 NF.
02:57 With the support of that, the documents of Nawaz Sharif will be filed.
03:01 When the election will be announced, there will be an objection to those documents.
03:06 The returning officer will see that objection and decide.
03:11 The returning officer can say that because the law has been made, the parliament has made the law, I do not have the authority to violate this law.
03:19 So it is not complicated, you have told the way.
03:22 What is the opinion of the law expert Ali Zafar on this matter? Listen to that too.
03:30 Until and unless the convictions of the two are satisfied, and until the Supreme Court clarifies that their judgment is applicable, whether after the amendment or not, they are not healthy.
03:49 They have a lot of hurdles in front of them.
03:53 The court will have to go and the case will have to be closed by the court.
04:00 So this is a different opinion of a different law expert.
04:04 Let's talk about this, Hasan.
04:06 First of all, what do you say about this?
04:09 Was this the impression that this person is specific?
04:13 Was this like this?
04:15 And if it was, why was it?
04:18 I do not understand why the appeal was terminated in the case of retrospective.
04:25 So there is a mess on it.
04:30 The thing is that Mr. Nawaz Sharif has exhausted his review in the Panama case.
04:37 So then his refusal in the 62-1-F, which was done by the Supreme Court of Pakistan, was undue by the PDM government and it was amended in the Election Act.
04:48 Now, if the amendment has been made in the Election Act and Barrister Ali Zafar thinks that this amendment cannot end the refusal of the 62-1-F, then both are senior counsels of the Supreme Court.
05:04 They can go to the Supreme Court, they can go to the High Court, they can challenge the Act and can exercise all their legal remedies.
05:11 The law that is there, the law that is there in the legal time will not end with their statements.
05:17 To end the legal time law, you will have to go for the legal course of action.
05:23 If they just give statements and they think that Mr. Nawaz Sharif's way will stop in the election, then obviously this is not possible.
05:32 But, forgive me, Mr. Barrister Ali Zafar has made this point absolutely correct to this extent that the two cases of his deputy, i.e. in Al Azizia and Evanfield,
05:44 from there he has to get clearance that as long as those cases are there, Mr. Nawaz Sharif's incapacity will not end.
05:53 Former Minister Nawaz Sharif has to get clearance in both these cases to be eligible for the election.
06:02 Even with the suspension of sentence, his work will not work.
06:06 But obviously, the case of Al Azizia, in that case, the case of Arshad Malik is in front of you,
06:10 that his own statement came, a video of his came, so there can be two ways in that.
06:17 One is very simple, that the High Court should set aside the conviction and send the case back to the trial court.
06:24 Or the second way is to declare the same conviction as a black death.
06:28 And as far as the question of Evanfield is concerned, the case of Evanfield was paused there.
06:33 Only Mr. Mareem Nawaz Sharif, to the extent of Mr. Mareem Nawaz Sharif, he has got clearance.
06:38 But Mr. Nawaz Sharif himself has to surrender himself in front of the court of law.
06:44 And until he does not surrender himself in front of the court of law, he will not get relief.
06:47 Or his case will not be decided.
06:50 So Mr. Nawaz Sharif is coming back on 21st October.
06:53 After that, he will have to present himself in front of the court of law, the Istanbul High Court.
06:58 Okay, Mr. Chaudhary, what do you think, if the former Prime Minister, Mr. Nawaz Sharif comes to Pakistan,
07:08 then what will be the first problem for him?
07:12 Although, there are some talks that it is possible that his ship may not land in Lahore and he may go back to London.
07:18 No, I don't know about that.
07:20 You have not got anything to eat from home today, that is why you have asked this question.
07:24 So, he will come from London and he will bring his ship from Dubai and then he will not land and go back.
07:33 I have said this before, I am saying it again, he will get some relief in this case and he will not go to jail.
07:52 And his real challenge is that the people who are leaving him and running away,
08:00 they have gone to the Muslim League, which I don't like to talk about.
08:04 So, if any of the people who are trying to break the head of the Muslim League,
08:12 who are running away from them, then they should turn back and say that I am going to die.
08:22 So, accept any of their statements.
08:26 Mr. Chaudhary, if you remember, there was a drama in which an actor said that he is a direct constable of 10 Jamaats.
08:34 So, will there be something like this with the former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif that he will be appointed as the direct Prime Minister?
08:40 No, he will be appointed as the direct Prime Minister.
08:45 The Nigarhan Prime Minister is also in Pakistan, he is also in Subo, he has been appointed as the Maoist Minister.
08:50 So, what will happen to Chhote Mian?
08:54 I said that Nawaz Sharif has no fear of arrest or jail or anything.
09:01 And you know my views on him.
09:04 Mr. Chaudhary, he is very happy, we will talk about this later.
09:08 Mr. Chaudhary, what Asad Umar says about the happiness of Shahbaz Sharif, you should listen to that too.
09:14 My question is to you.
09:16 Everyone is saying that the decision is not a good decision for Nawaz Sharif.
09:23 Why does Shahbaz Sharif like the decision so much?
09:25 Mr. Tariq-e-Insaad is happy with this decision and Shahbaz Sharif is also happy.
09:30 It's a big thing.
09:32 Please tell us that the decision has been made, is it in your favour or not?
09:37 Why is Shahbaz Sharif happy?
09:39 Mr. Chaudhary, let's first ask Hassan and then I will come to you.
09:42 I had said earlier that this matter has nothing to do with Nawaz Sharif.
09:50 Because the appeal right would have been granted in 183 if it had been granted in the past.
09:54 But Nawaz Sharif was still not allowed to appeal.
09:58 Mr. Jahangir Trin was not allowed to appeal.
10:00 Because an appeal is made before the review.
10:03 Even after the review, if the case is decided, then it is finalized.
10:10 So if Nawaz Sharif has the same right as the practicant procedure act, which has been declared as a criminal act since 1987.
10:18 Even if that act is not followed, then also Nawaz Sharif has nothing to do with this decision.
10:23 As Shahbaz Sharif is also saying, but I just want to know, if there is nothing to do with this,
10:27 then why are these things happening now that since this decision has been made, there is an increase in the difficulties of Mr. Mian?
10:33 Look, the thing is that if a simple man, that is, our security guard outside, says this,
10:41 then you can say that he does not understand.
10:46 But when lawyers are talking about this, then I am sure that they are well known about the fact that when the review has been exhausted,
10:53 then Nawaz Sharif was not involved.
10:55 Let me tell you something very interesting.
10:57 That draft man of the Ministry of Justice, who has drafted this law, I have spoken to him.
11:03 He has also admitted that the law he has made was not person specific.
11:13 Why did the PDM government bring this law?
11:17 Because they wanted to control the powers of Chief Justice Umerta Bandyal.
11:24 They were making one-sided decisions.
11:28 They were forming unilateral benches of their own accord.
11:31 There was a lot of problem with that.
11:34 And in this regard, they made this law.
11:39 This demand came from the Bar Councils.
11:43 If you remember, the representative of the Pakistan Bar Council met with the Prime Minister, Shabaz Sharif,
11:53 and he demanded that the case of 184 be legislated on the basis of the right of appeal.
12:00 So the impression that people are giving, I think they are dishonest.
12:07 If Mr. Niaz is eligible for the elections or not,
12:09 then under the Election Act, as Mr. Salman Akram Raja was saying,
12:15 then you will see that in that case, when he will go to the RO,
12:19 first he will need approval in two of his cases,
12:21 then the next step will be when the election schedule is announced, then he will go to the RO.
12:26 If he goes to the RO, then if his nomination papers are accepted,
12:29 then someone will challenge him in the High Court or the Supreme Court.
12:34 So this case will have to go to the Supreme Court or the Appellate Court in the end.
12:38 But till now, the Rajul Bhakt Law is the Election Act.
12:41 And the Election Act says that the period of his nomination is five years.
12:47 Okay, so Mr. Chaudhary, as Mr. Hassan is also saying,
12:54 and now this whole process will be, Mr. Niaz will come,
12:57 there will be bail, then he will surrender, then the responsibility will be on the RO.
13:03 But now, the elections are going to happen at the end of October,
13:05 and the elections are going to happen at the end of January,
13:07 so if the Muslim League wins, then it is decided that Nawaz Sharif will not be the Prime Minister.
13:13 Or you don't even believe this?
13:15 No, no, this is not the case. This is not my issue.
13:18 I am saying this again and again that you have given the import of human beings,
13:23 you have taken the contract to import voters for a country of 25 crores, 12-15 crores,
13:31 and you will give it to the Muslim League and others that this is your vote.
13:36 Mr. Chaudhary, we have cooked so many dishes, korma, jaggery rice, rohani chaan, Honda 125.
13:42 The Khyali Pulao is not cooked.
13:44 Forgive me, if you cannot win over the people of Pakistan, you are done with.
13:49 In reality, it is cooked. Mr. Chaudhary, you forget me, the table.
13:53 What?
13:54 I said Mr. Chaudhary, it is cooked in reality, not the Khyali Pulao.
14:00 You forgot the tables that were put up in the last Jalsa.
14:03 I think you are going around the same place.
14:06 You have not come out of that table ground.
14:11 Please come back to the show and answer the question I am asking you and Asad Nayyub,
14:20 that where will the Nawaz League bring the voters from?
14:24 If there is one, answer me. Or call a representative.
14:28 Okay, this is a polite thing. I would like to say something.
14:32 Mr. Chaudhary, Sardar Lateef Khosla is with us.
14:35 Sardar Lateef Khosla, thank you very much for taking out time for the program.
14:39 Now tell me, Hasan Ayub was saying that this decision has nothing to do with Mian Sahab.
14:47 Does this decision have any impact on the former Prime Minister, Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif?
14:53 Look, Hasan is right.
14:57 His expectations were buried from 8-7.
15:05 He did not get the retrospective appeal.
15:13 He will not benefit from this because his appeal for the former Nawaz League will not be able to appeal.
15:24 Because he was denied from 8-7.
15:27 Respected Nawaz Sharif will not benefit from this.
15:33 But one thing, Hasan, I found it very disappointing that Pakistan's ambassador has sent him to Heathrow Airport to see off.
15:44 I find this very disappointing because this is a criminal who has been released without warrant, arrest, or indictment.
16:00 If anyone sees off like this, he will be a criminal in Pakistan's 216th constitution and he can be sentenced to 7 years.
16:11 So what was the ambassador of Pakistan showing?
16:15 That there is no law in Pakistan, there is no respect for the courts in Pakistan, and what is a criminal?
16:28 Sardar, you are pointing to this matter.
16:31 Once when the Minister of Defense, Anwar-ul-Akbar, was asked if Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif will be treated in Pakistan,
16:40 he said that he has been the Prime Minister three times, so he will be given facilities under the law.
16:46 First, let's listen to him and then we will move forward.
16:49 Whenever he will be treated, he has been appointed to the position of the Prime Minister of Pakistan three times.
16:57 Under the law of Pakistan, if he has any privileges, he will be given those privileges.
17:06 And if he is denied those privileges, then according to the law, we will be with him.
17:12 After this, when he was asked this question again, he said that he is out of the country and I have asked for advice from the Ministry of Justice.
17:21 He will do whatever he says. Let's listen to what he says.
17:26 We have told the law that the administration of the government should be in accordance with the law.
17:36 I had asked this before going to the UNGA.
17:41 As soon as I return to my country, we will call a meeting and we will discuss these questions.
17:53 So, Sardar, the administrative attitude of the watchmen in London, was it the advice of the Ministry of Justice?
18:01 Look, the first thing is that this was not their mandate.
18:05 If they are caretakers, not chair takers, then their job in a neutral setup is to provide evidence to the environment of clean and transparent elections.
18:22 They have to make sure that the elections are clean and transparent.
18:26 It is a day-to-day business.
18:28 The Supreme Court's decision-making and the caretaker's job.
18:32 On the other hand, their responsibilities are not at all equal.
18:40 And it seems that they have become ministers to stay permanently and are also building a cabinet.
18:48 And if they go to America, then come to London, then go to Paris, then go to Saudi Arabia.
18:54 14 days of tour and stay in the most expensive hotels.
18:59 By hiring Pakistan, taking loans from IMF, begging and spending the money of the taxes of the poor people of Pakistan.
19:12 Then what else can be said for the caretaker government?
19:17 And if they are on some other agenda, then forgive them, the nation is not tolerant of this.
19:23 They will have to answer.
19:25 They will have to answer the people of Pakistan.
19:28 And the new government of Pakistan will come as a result of the elections.
19:33 He will also have to answer.
19:36 This is our misfortune.
19:38 When we come to power, then we forget that we are subject to the law and the constitution.
19:44 We understand that the law and the constitution are our responsibility.
19:47 And we can do whatever we want because we do not respect the law and the constitution.
19:54 And unfortunately, the nation that does not follow the law and the constitution and does not respect it.
20:00 Then it remains helpless and helpless.
20:07 Then it becomes helpless and helpless.
20:11 We do not respect the law and the constitution.
20:14 Hassan, you had also contacted the former minister of foreign affairs.
20:18 Tell us something about that.
20:20 I talked to the information minister.
20:23 He said that this is not a matter related to me.
20:26 You should contact the foreign ministry.
20:30 And the minister of foreign affairs, Mr. Jalil Abbas Jalani, I called him twice on WhatsApp.
20:35 But unfortunately my call was not taken.
20:39 Now, it is important to see that Dr. Faisal is in what capacity he has gone to the airport to see off the former Prime Minister Mohammad Nawaz Sharif.
20:50 By the way, a few days ago he met him in his son's office.
20:56 This was a video and information that came before.
20:59 And the second thing is that Dr. Faisal can give the best answer about this.
21:07 It was better for us to contact him and ask him.
21:09 Tell us, sir, in what capacity have you gone?
21:13 But at the moment, the former Prime Minister Mohammad Nawaz Sharif holds the diplomatic passport of the former Prime Minister.
21:21 And your ambassador in any country meets all the people in the Pakistani community.
21:28 There is no justice movement, Muslim League Nawaz, or JUIF.
21:34 He is the ambassador of Pakistan.
21:37 I was talking to a journalist in London today.
21:40 He said that there was a conference of the Labour Party.
21:44 And our ambassadors are often found at Heathrow Airport.
21:49 So, now they know that Mr. Nawaz Sharif is going there.
21:53 So, he went there to see off.
21:56 But I will say again that Dr. Faisal can give the best and most authentic answer.
22:03 Whether he has gone there as an individual or he had some instructions.
22:06 Or the answer of the foreign secretary or the foreign minister, Jalil Abbas Jalani, who does not answer the phone.
22:13 Okay, so the answer of this can only be given by the foreign minister.
22:17 Sardar Azam Nazir Tariq was saying that the way to become the fourth time Prime Minister of the Mian is clear.
22:23 Because the Nahili matter is over after the election reform.
22:27 So is it true, sir?
22:30 You ask me about my students.
22:33 They are very capable, MashaAllah.
22:35 But the question arises that the Supreme Court itself has said that it will be applied in the future.
22:44 It will not be done in the past.
22:46 That's why the decisions of the past have been made and the review has also been withdrawn.
22:50 They have been imprisoned for a lifetime.
22:52 The Supreme Court has now imposed a political prison for a lifetime.
22:58 You are talking about Tahir Ahmad Naili, Sardar sahib.
23:00 What is the age of the prison, sir?
23:02 And the second thing is that this punishment is known and for 10 years,
23:08 they have been imprisoned for 10 years in the court of the Naib.
23:18 There are two imprisonments.
23:20 One is the life imprisonment, which was done by the Supreme Court.
23:25 And the other is a 10-year imprisonment, which they were punished for in two cases of the Naib.
23:29 Sardar sahib, I am talking to Hassan Ejju.
23:32 I have a question for you.
23:34 The reform that took place in the election act,
23:36 the Naili in 621F,
23:39 they reduced it from Tahiyat to 5 years.
23:43 So when are you going to challenge this?
23:45 And why haven't you challenged it yet?
23:49 Look, Hassan, the first thing is that it will be applied in the future.
23:55 The past and close transactions have been rejected by the Supreme Court since 2007.
24:06 It will not benefit the former Prime Minister or Mr. Tareen.
24:12 If no new law is passed in the future, then the 5-year political imprisonment will be considered.
24:30 Sardar sahib, do we have to see the law in the present or have it be applied in the past?
24:35 Salman Akram Raja sahib has told our host Kashif Awasi that he will file a nomination paper if two convictions of the Naib are satisfied.
24:49 And after that, this matter will go to an appellate court.
24:53 You are talking to him in a different way.
24:56 Supreme Court.
24:59 There is a punishment on them, there is also a prison.
25:03 It is written there for 10 years that there will be no family.
25:07 So where it is not written, it will be applied in the future.
25:13 And the objections that will be with the returning officer, the first thing is that they cannot apply
25:19 until they are not released from those cases whose punishment has already been done.
25:26 Whether they are under the supervision of the Supreme Court of Islamabad or not,
25:32 they have already been admitted to the court.
25:35 First they will have to come and get it.
25:38 And after that, if they are released from it, then after that, whatever you are thinking, it will be done.
25:44 But if the punishment is not given, then after 10 years of being punished,
25:52 it can be said that the amendment that has been made in the Election Act or because it has been made in the Election Act,
26:00 the application of the amendment is not on them.
26:03 So, respected Nawaz Sharif, you have no right.
26:06 Mr. Chaudhary is also asking us something.
26:08 Okay.
26:10 Mr. Sardar Latim Khosla.
26:12 Mr. Chaudhary is also asking you a question, but let's take a break.
26:14 There is a break, then we will come back.
26:16 Welcome back after the break.
26:20 We were talking about Mr. Mian's return and his becoming the Prime Minister.
26:22 Is there any obstacle or not?
26:24 And the expert in law, Sardar Latim Khosla is with us.
26:27 Mr. Chaudhary wanted to ask him a question.
26:29 Mr. Chaudhary.
26:31 Sardar Latim Khosla, your status, standing, the law that you have,
26:36 and which all teachers consider you in your own field and otherwise,
26:40 and how you have kept your position despite all kinds of pressures,
26:47 hats off to you.
26:49 Having said this,
26:50 if there is no election,
26:53 if there is a chaos here,
26:56 if there are no decisions according to the law and the constitution,
26:59 and people are rotting in the jails,
27:02 then do you see any ray of hope that tomorrow, day after tomorrow,
27:07 in two months, in a month, in four months,
27:10 some day, some follower says,
27:12 "I don't want elections till the day after tomorrow."
27:14 The second says, "No, no, don't do it for two years."
27:16 The third says, "No, do it now."
27:18 So, what do you see?
27:20 Are we going to move in the right direction?
27:25 Hold election free, fair, impartial, acceptable to all concerned?
27:29 Or will this be the same chaos?
27:33 Will the country keep on going down?
27:36 Will people keep on getting destroyed?
27:38 And you and I will keep on watching the drama.
27:41 We have contacted Sardar Latim Khosla.
27:46 Mr. Chaudhary, let's try to contact him again.
27:48 Tell us, what do you think?
27:50 Is it easy to make Mr. Mian the Prime Minister?
27:55 Is it clean? Or is it a long war?
27:59 And is it a river of fire?
28:02 And is it a calculation of drowning?
28:04 Look, it is a river of fire or not,
28:06 but we will have to face the courts.
28:08 Now, the court cases are,
28:11 let me give you a news, we have time.
28:15 I have an authentic report.
28:17 All the medical reports,
28:20 that is, of former Prime Minister Mohammad Nawaz Sharif,
28:23 which he was ordered by Lahore High Court,
28:27 that he has to submit periodical reports,
28:30 not a single report was missed.
28:33 He has submitted every report on time.
28:37 And if you see, the last report submitted,
28:43 that is of Royal Brompton Hospital, London.
28:46 And according to their medical experts,
28:49 the last procedure, which took place in November 2022,
28:53 in which he was stunted,
28:55 they said that...
28:57 Hassan, the last one is that he has to submit in the High Court.
29:00 Where will he submit the previous reports?
29:02 And if he submits all the reports, the punishment is over.
29:05 I say, all the reports have been submitted,
29:08 which was the order of the High Court.
29:11 But what happened is that the order of the High Court has been violated.
29:14 So basically, you see,
29:18 he was sent out on medical grounds.
29:21 And the medical reports were submitted periodically, on time.
29:26 So this shows their conduct.
29:29 That is, whoever is an accused,
29:31 or whoever is seeking remedy from the court,
29:34 or seeking relief,
29:36 the court sees their conduct.
29:39 And that is, according to the patient,
29:41 or the medical grounds,
29:43 that they took their bail, it is correct.
29:46 One thing.
29:48 Second, COVID came,
29:50 and you know that in Britain,
29:52 all the procedures, surgeries, everything was closed.
29:55 So in COVID, only COVID patients were being treated.
29:59 So in this regard,
30:01 that is, their medical grounds case is very strong.
30:04 And my information is that their legal team,
30:08 will be applying for bail.
30:09 So I have received the news that
30:11 their bail will be issued before this.
30:16 And a week's time will be required.
30:19 And before Mr. Mian comes to Pakistan,
30:22 he will be referred to the High Court.
30:25 Okay. Mr. Chaudhary, what do you say to what Hassan said?
30:31 No, I am not a legal expert.
30:33 It is his field, he has given his opinion.
30:37 My point of view is this.
30:38 First of all, those who have presented their medical report from London,
30:43 I am calling them custom withholding.
30:47 What is their relationship with heart diseases?
30:50 They have fought a political election here,
30:53 they have left from here.
30:55 A person named Chauhan.
30:57 You take them on the line,
30:59 that you had a relationship with some other department many years ago.
31:02 So I said something, we had said before,
31:06 this drama of platelets in the hospital,
31:09 if we talk about it now, it is of no use.
31:12 I just want to say that,
31:14 those who want to go to the elections,
31:16 want to fight the elections, want to serve the country,
31:18 should read the votes of the people.
31:20 If they don't read the votes,
31:22 then they should rest at home,
31:24 or come to Shahista Yusuf and eat chicken fritters.
31:27 Shahista, you will also enjoy.
31:33 Let's see if they have to face any obstacle on the return of Mian Sahib,
31:38 and if they have to face any obstacle in becoming the Prime Minister,
31:41 or will he become the Prime Minister directly?
31:43 Only time will tell.
31:45 But there is some information that Maulana Fazlur Rahman,
31:48 although all the Jamaats want that elections should be held soon,
31:53 but Maulana Sahib wants that elections should not be held yet.
31:56 And he has met the former Prime Minister Shahbaz Sharif,
32:01 and according to the report of Don News,
32:03 he has shown by giving this advice,
32:06 that elections should not be held now,
32:09 and elections should be delayed.
32:12 Along with this, he has also criticized the Noon League.
32:15 He says that there was a tax cut,
32:17 nothing happened,
32:19 and the country's progress that you are connecting,
32:22 with the return of Mian Sahib,
32:24 this is not right.
32:26 What does he say? Listen.
32:29 The price of the tax has been reduced.
32:30 What is the solution?
32:32 Call Ishaq Darfur.
32:34 Ishaq Darfur has come,
32:36 and the matter is settled.
32:38 He is saying that Mian Nawaz Sharif is coming,
32:40 but connecting the country's progress with him,
32:43 is this what Allah is not listening?
32:45 If his government's attention is also towards pleasing Allah,
32:48 then there will be blessings in this country,
32:50 and the system will be fine.
32:52 Okay, now Maulana Fazlur Rahman is saying that
32:57 the tax has been reduced,
32:58 but Maryam Nawaz says something else.
33:01 She says that we should have faith in Ishaq Darfur.
33:03 What does she say? Listen.
33:05 Have faith in Ishaq Darfur,
33:07 and have faith in Allah.
33:09 Inshallah, Allah will always take Ishaq out of his debt.
33:13 Along with this, she also says that
33:17 we should have faith in Nawaz Sharif,
33:19 and he will fix everything.
33:21 When Nawaz Sharif comes back,
33:23 Inshallah, Allah will take this country off.
33:26 He will take off the queue.
33:27 Have faith in Nawaz Sharif,
33:29 he will fix everything.
33:31 Okay, Hassan, now there are two or three things.
33:36 Maryam says that have faith in Nawaz Sharif,
33:38 Ishaq Darfur will fix everything.
33:40 Maulana says that
33:42 don't connect the country's economy with Mian Nawaz Sharif's return,
33:45 and he wants to delay the elections.
33:47 So, what do you say to this?
33:49 Look, apparently, the elections
33:51 will not be delayed on the orders of Shibaz Sharif,
33:54 nor will they be delayed on the orders of Maulana Fazl-e-Iman,
33:56 nor will they be delayed on the orders of Nawaz Sharif.
33:59 The elections will take place in January,
34:02 and the Election Commission of Pakistan
34:04 will hold the elections.
34:06 So, this desire can definitely happen,
34:08 there can be an effort,
34:10 but this effort is not practically
34:14 being proven to be possible.
34:16 Okay, but Hassan, can there be a desire
34:18 to delay the elections
34:20 so that Bade Mian Sahib
34:23 gets a clean chit
34:24 and becomes the Prime Minister?
34:26 Look, I can't say anything about
34:28 what this desire of his is,
34:30 but apparently,
34:32 when Nawaz Sharif comes,
34:34 then all of them,
34:36 whether it is Shibaz Sharif,
34:38 he too is eligible to become the Prime Minister.
34:40 Whether it is Maryam Nawaz,
34:42 her father says that
34:44 God willing, he will become the Prime Minister.
34:46 Shibaz also says that
34:48 God willing, Nawaz Sharif will become the Prime Minister.
34:50 But the thing is that
34:52 he has to fight his legal battle.
34:53 This legal battle is not that easy.
34:55 His cases are much better.
34:57 They are on a very strong footing.
35:00 But this does not mean that
35:02 if he shakes a magic wand,
35:04 then Mian Sahib will fight the elections tomorrow.
35:06 His case has to be presented in the court.
35:08 He has to be presented in the court himself.
35:10 He will have to be presented in the court himself.
35:12 He will definitely get a 3-4 day protection period.
35:14 But after 3-4 days,
35:16 he will have to be given
35:19 a 3-4 day protection period.
35:22 He will have to be presented in the court of the Istanbul High Court
35:24 in Al Azizia and Evanfield.
35:27 Try to understand.
35:29 In such a situation,
35:31 first he has to get rid of these cases.
35:33 Then he has to lead his election campaign.
35:36 So, these are the challenges he has.
35:38 And the third and most important thing is
35:40 that he has to increase the popularity of his people.
35:43 He has to connect with the people.
35:45 So, all these things will only be possible
35:48 if he comes to Pakistan once.
35:49 After that, we will see
35:51 whether he will be able to win the elections.
35:53 [Audio cut]
35:57 He will have to go to jail.
36:02 And if he gets bail,
36:04 then he will hold a Jalsa in Minar-e-Pakistan.
36:06 And even after that,
36:08 if he does not get bail,
36:10 and he surrenders,
36:12 then he will have to go to jail.
36:14 And if he gets bail,
36:17 then he will have to go to jail.
36:18 And if he does not get bail,
36:20 then he will have to go to jail.
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36:24 then he will have to go to jail.
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36:28 then he will have to go to jail.
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36:32 then he will have to go to jail.
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38:43 then he will have to go to jail.
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38:55 then he will have to go to jail.
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38:59 then he will have to go to jail.
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39:03 then he will have to go to jail.
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39:07 then he will have to go to jail.
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39:11 then he will have to go to jail.
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39:14 then he will have to go to jail.
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39:18 then he will have to go to jail.
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39:22 then he will have to go to jail.
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39:26 then he will have to go to jail.
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39:30 then he will have to go to jail.
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39:34 then he will have to go to jail.
39:36 And if he does not get bail,
39:38 then he will have to go to jail.
39:40 They are very sharp-eyed.
39:41 They have a very sharp mouth.
39:44 They are very sharp-eyed.
39:46 If there is a program with Mian Wajib,
39:48 If there is a program with Mian Wajib,
39:50 if there is a team,
39:52 then they will not come to that side
39:54 for 16 months.
39:56 In 16 months,
39:58 neither you nor Ayub come to that side.
40:00 What did they do in 16 months?
40:03 SIFC.
40:05 SIFC.
40:08 Let's ask Hassan.
40:09 Like Mariam Sahiba says,
40:11 and everyone else is saying,
40:13 that Mian Sahab will come
40:15 and he will fix everything.
40:17 And if Mian Sahab had a formula,
40:19 then why didn't he give it to his brother?
40:22 The thing is very simple.
40:24 When you have to bring a Moshi Plan,
40:26 then you cannot give a Moshi Plan
40:28 for 16 months or for a year.
40:31 You have long-term and short-term plans.
40:35 So, it is very realistic
40:38 that if someone has to plan for 5 years,
40:41 then he sees in reference to 5 years
40:44 that in the first year I will have a strict budget,
40:46 in the second year I will have such a budget,
40:48 how will I increase my income?
40:50 So, the magic wand does not work.
40:52 You have to go step by step.
40:54 When a small child also starts walking,
40:56 then he takes small steps,
40:58 he falls, then he slowly gets up
41:00 and then a time comes when he starts running
41:02 and then you are behind him
41:04 and the child moves ahead.
41:05 So, it is very simple.
41:07 Sorry to interrupt, Hassan,
41:09 but the thing is that
41:11 if the Moshi Plan he has is long-term
41:14 and if he has to execute it later,
41:16 then he has to get it executed through Ishaq Dar.
41:19 And Ishaq Dar was the Minister of Treasury
41:22 during the rule of Shahbaz Sharif.
41:24 So, what was the use of the walking cart?
41:26 How long has Ishaq Dar been?
41:28 Was he the Minister of Treasury for 16 months?
41:30 You tell me.
41:33 But 16 months is not less.
41:34 No, he was not even 16 months.
41:36 You are wrong here.
41:38 Look, Shahista, I am saying that
41:40 he was the Minister of Treasury for 6 months.
41:43 So, why did he come?
41:45 It was understood that
41:47 this is not a government that will last for 5 years.
41:49 If he knew that he could not fix it in such a short period,
41:52 then why did he not come?
41:54 Basically, he came for the government.
41:56 But he came, he said that Ishaq Dar came,
41:58 he brought the dollar,
42:00 the rate of the dollar has become so low,
42:02 that he did not come.
42:03 But there is one thing
42:05 which I hope Mr. Chaudhary will not disagree with.
42:07 And I consider that thing to be a game changer for Pakistan.
42:10 That is the SIFC.
42:12 Not only will the FDI come from the SIFC,
42:15 that is, foreign direct investment will come,
42:17 but this will ensure the food security of Pakistan.
42:21 And Pakistan's remittance will increase.
42:23 You have minerals, you have agriculture,
42:26 you have the IT sector.
42:28 So, I hope that Pakistan, God willing,
42:31 will come to the fore.
42:32 And see, there are all stakeholders in this.
42:34 The leaders of the Pak Army are involved in this.
42:37 The military institutions are involved in this.
42:40 You have to cultivate the barren land,
42:43 you have to cultivate the barren land,
42:45 and you have to ensure the food security of Pakistan.
42:47 So, this will bring much better results.
42:50 And different countries,
42:52 friends of countries have committed
42:54 to foreign direct investment of about 50 billion dollars.
42:58 So, this is not a small thing.
43:00 So, if on the one hand, your CPEC becomes functional,
43:03 the SIFC becomes functional,
43:05 then the bad conditions of the country,
43:07 which we are yearning for,
43:09 then there can be a special improvement in these conditions.
43:11 And this is the prayer.
43:13 Like Chaudhary sir says,
43:15 if any country is taken to the right track,
43:17 to the right direction,
43:19 then what else do I need?
43:21 Okay, Chaudhary sir,
43:23 the SIFC is not a Shahbaz Sharif project.
43:25 It came after Shahbaz Sharif.
43:28 What will Chaudhary sir say?
43:30 SIFC is not his.
43:32 I think,
43:34 whatever he has said,
43:36 I just need to hear the answers of the people of Doch.
43:38 Whether elections are taking place or not,
43:40 whether free fairs are being held or not,
43:42 give the answer to this.
43:44 Number three, it is very important,
43:46 that people are craving for two meals a day,
43:48 they are not waiting for your projects.
43:50 I say, give them 10 meals a day.
43:52 They say, Chaudhary sir,
43:54 send them to me on a weekly basis,
43:57 they will not come here.
43:58 They will not come here.
44:00 They will not come here.
44:02 They will not come here.
44:04 They will not come here.
44:06 They will not come here.
44:08 They will not come here.
44:10 They will not come here.
44:12 They will not come here.
44:14 They will not come here.
44:16 They will not come here.
44:18 They will not come here.
44:20 They will not come here.
44:22 They will not come here.
44:24 They will not come here.

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