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00:00Let's listen to the continuation of the Senate's hearing.
00:31But in any case, I would like to remind you that according to the Supreme Court, in the case of the Office of Court Administrator v. You, the right to self-incrimination does not prohibit legitimate inquiry in non-criminal matters.
00:45This is an ad nauseum.
00:47We are almost doubting this repetition.
01:00This is a blatant defiance of the Legislative's constitutional power of inquiry.
01:22It turns out that you are playing our law. You are making the Filipinos go around.
01:29But you should change the Senate.
01:31You should change the Senate.
01:52In recess earlier, the pending matter was the refusal to give us details of the death threats that she herself brought before us.
02:08She volunteered. She volunteered information to us.
02:13Now we are forcing you not to answer.
02:18I think the prevailing sentiment is that she cannot ask for an executive session.
02:25She should answer everything now.
02:27If it's true that you have a death threat, you were monitored when the death threat was given to you.
02:33Even if there's an executive session, she already knows that you already told us.
02:37You are still the source.
02:38That's why we will not allow an executive session.
02:42Now, the prevailing sentiment, if I'm not mistaken, is you have to answer the questions relating to that particular subject matter
02:53that you yourself voluntarily brought to this hearing, started by Senator Bato and then Senator Gingoy.
03:02That's why Madam Chair, I'm on that ground.
03:05If we should, because at least there is no need to determine who's telling the truth.
03:12We have I think a Senate section here, if the refusal to cooperate or giving evasive answers,
03:23we should not use that ground to cite the witness or the resource person in contempt.
03:31Alice, in all of these, I'm the most lenient that you don't want to cite in contempt.
03:39But in this particular case, whatever I think, you have to answer.
03:45You have to answer and if we require you to answer publicly, you have to answer.
03:53You can invoke a right but when we deny that you are not entitled to such a right, then you have to answer.
04:01Otherwise, you will be in contempt.
04:03So I'm presenting that alternative ground Madam Chair, if we can use that.
04:10As far as I know, when we had a break, that was the hanging matter that Senator Bato raised,
04:16followed up by Senate President Pro Tempore.
04:19Thank you. Actually, there are two hanging matters.
04:22One is about the death threat, but more than that, the question of identity.
04:29Because the NBI has proven and another agency has proven that Alice Guo and Guo Huaping,
04:36you are not just one person.
04:38And that is the continuation of your lies to this committee.
04:43Therefore, the chair is citing Alice Guo, alias Guo Huaping in contempt, as seconded by Senator Joel.
04:52Madam Chair, let's give a chance for her to, a last chance for her to answer the question.
04:58Answer, Alice.
05:03Are you Guo Huaping?
05:07Madam Chair, I apologize. I am Alice Guo.
05:11Okay. Well, I apologize as well.
05:13The chair cites Alice Guo, alias Guo Huaping, in contempt of this committee, as seconded by Senator Joel.
05:22Anyway, she has been cited in contempt.
05:25Madam Chair, I'm not present in the past hearings of the Committee on Women,
05:30but has she been confronted with the documents of Guo Huaping?
05:35Has it been shown to her?
05:37Yes.
05:38Because there should be handwriting or signature allegedly coming from her.
05:43Did she deny the signature?
05:46There should be entries coming from the applicant, right?
05:51Am I mistaken as NBI director?
05:54Madam Chair, we can flash the passport page.
05:59And then, NBI Director Santiago, do you want to address this matter, please?
06:05Sir, wait. Your Honor, please.
06:08As for the signature, remember the one we placed in her ACR,
06:14she has a different signature there.
06:19As for the NBI clearance that we gave her, she has a different signature because she was still a child in the ACR.
06:27That's why we cannot rely on the signature.
06:30But the fingerprint will not change from birth to death.
06:36Yes. But have we confronted her with the document and then asking her, did she accomplish the said document?
06:43Let's ask her. Maybe she's not a young girl who can't remember. She has a memory.
06:48We haven't confronted her.
06:51But my colleagues and I presented those same documents that I flashed to Alice Guo in the previous hearings before she ran away from the country.
07:04Can we give her one last chance to flash that document and then I will ask her now if she remembers accomplishing the said document
07:12of Guo Huaping.
07:14Madam Chair, I'm sorry but I asked that question a while ago and she said no.
07:18Can we flash the document used by the NBI? NBI, I mean use the document.
07:24What was the document? Please give her a chance. Let's show it to her for fairness sake.
07:30But if she denies that she didn't accomplish it at what particular age, we are convinced.
07:38Therefore, she's lying before us.
07:40We have here a dactyloscopy report that says that the fingerprints of Alice Guo and Guo Huaping are identical.
07:49And that those fingerprints of Guo Huaping and Alice Guo were affixed by one and the same person.
07:56Do we have the supporting document used by the NBI for this?
08:04So that we can show it again because we already showed it to Alice Guo.
08:10Ms. Alice, this is extraordinary. You are the only resource person I remember.
08:14We will show you the documents again and again.
08:18Maybe you should blame the committee for telling the truth.
08:22The committee is not going the extra mile but you are still blaming the wrong person.
08:31Comsec, do we have the supporting document on hand to project here on our monitor the NBI's use to come to this conclusive opinion
08:43used in all courts of the Philippines, the fingerprint matching?
08:49Madam Chair, while we are still waiting, just to support the motion that was approved by this committee, Madam Chair,
09:00the Senate has sufficient, substantial, and damning evidence to support a conclusion that this witness is lying.
09:12Now whether the court will bear it out later or not, that is the basis, Madam Chair.
09:19If this is the prevailing stance, then witness won't play around with the Senate.
09:25I think that is the only reason why we are doing this because she is obviously playing around, Madam Chair.
09:32We have given her enough time, so many chances, Madam Chair.
09:36I have never seen a witness that we are giving so many chances to tell the truth.
09:41But if she really doesn't want to, Madam Chair, she has to face the music.
09:46Agree, Sen. Joel.
09:47But Comsec, we will flash the passport of Guo Hua Ping so he can answer the one more chance question of the minority leader.
09:59While we are waiting, Madam Chair, while we are waiting, we will flash the passport.
10:07I will give you one more chance, Alice, about the death threat.
10:13When did you receive the bullet in your life?
10:16Ms. Alice.
10:19I think around June.
10:22June of this month, of this year?
10:24This year.
10:25How many times?
10:27More than five times.
10:29From whom?
10:30Through phone.
10:32Who called?
10:34Sen, I really want to discuss this with you and I am asking for your forgiveness.
10:40I am afraid to disclose this to the public.
10:44Even if you disclose this to us through an executive session, like what Senator Coco said, he will find out.
10:52Tell us. Senior source.
10:56Sen, my understanding is that if I tell you in an executive session, it will not come out because I am worried about my own safety.
11:08Tell us.
11:10Sen, the Senate hearing is coming to an end but I am afraid of my own life.
11:17How are you afraid when you talk on the phone?
11:21How are you threatened?
11:22Sen, I will not discuss this with the public.
11:26The public ought to know, how are you threatened?
11:29That is my only question, how are you threatened?
11:32I will not discuss this with the public, Sen. I am really sorry.
11:37Madam Chair, just in case the court will allow the Senate to be detained here, I would like to raise this motion to immediately commit her to Pasay City Jail.
11:55Thank you, President Pro Tempore.
11:58Before that matter will be deliberated, we have a pending citation in contempt by the Chair, seconded by Sen. Joel.
12:10Alice, one last chance.
12:11This is where we show the passport page of your passport.
12:18Answer my question, Sen Coco. Is this you?
12:23Madam Chair, this is Alice Go.
12:25No, that is not my question to you.
12:28My question is, you have a monitor in front of you, you can see the passport page.
12:34Is that you in that photo? I'm not asking your name.
12:38We already know, Go Hoaping. Is this you?
12:42Madam Chair, I have a pending case.
12:46You answer.
12:47All right. You are not taking the many one last chances that this committee is giving you.
12:55You are denying your identity as Go Hoaping.
12:59So may I return to...
13:01Madam Chair, Madam Chair.
13:02Yes, Minority Leader.
13:03She was trying to invoke something. What are you invoking?
13:06For your refusal to answer, what are you invoking?
13:10Sen, I already have pending cases in court.
13:15From what I understand, everything I'm saying here is incriminating my own self.
13:21Okay. This one. Where can this incriminate? What particular case?
13:25There should be a particularity.
13:29Sen, I have a felony in citizenship issue in court.
13:35Citizenship.
13:36I think there are seven pending cases in court right now.
13:41Citizenship is one of them.
13:43For example, you have a case in Estapa. It's not connected to Estapa.
13:47You cannot say you have a case in court. You have to specify where you can incriminate.
13:52Your answer can be used to prove your guilt in a criminal case. Which one?
13:57Sen, I'm sorry. What I said earlier is wrong. It's not citizenship.
14:02It should be comelec.
14:06I already have a pending case in comelec.
14:11Material misrepresentation case. Maybe it's a criminal case.
14:15Yes. It's a criminal case.
14:18Why is this related?
14:21That's all I know. There are pending cases in comelec.
14:27But actually Madam Chair, this appears to be a document issued by the People's Republic of China.
14:33I'm requesting for that ACR.
14:38The Philippine form.
14:41Philippine form accomplished by a child, supposed to be, but a child with consciousness already,
14:46who happens to be the younger Alice Guo. That's your theory.
14:50That's what I want to show her.
14:52Comsec. Can we flash that ACR again and show it to Alice Guo?
15:00Madam Chair. Madam Chair.
15:01Yes, Sen Rafi. One related question.
15:05Yes. On August 27, 2020 for hearing, page 141 of the transcript,
15:11Sheila Guo admitted that Alice Guo has two passports.
15:18So that means she's a dual citizen, Chinese and Filipino.
15:23All right. Thank you, Sen Rafi, for reminding us.
15:25So you're a dual citizen even though Ms. Sheila Guo reminded you, Sen Rafi.
15:33And in fact, did you know that dual citizenship is not allowed in China?
15:37Only here in the Philippines, it's allowed.
15:40But in China, it's prohibited.
15:43And yet, you have both Filipino and Chinese passports in the testimony of Sheila Guo.
15:50Madam Chair, I have only one Filipino passport.
15:55Yes, you have only one Filipino passport, but you had a Chinese passport.
16:00I don't have a Chinese passport.
16:02Okay. Comsec. Can we show the ACR that we're asking for?
16:07Before we act on the, we finalize the motion of the Chair seconded by Sen Joel.
16:14Okay. Can we, is that the biggest one? All right.
16:17All right. So this is the ACR form.
16:21She's not a child anymore, right?
16:25She has consciousness in that picture.
16:28That's our question to Alice Guo.
16:30Alice, do you remember that you accomplished that form,
16:36that you even put a fingerprint there voluntarily.
16:40Do you remember or not?
16:42Sen, I don't remember doing such a document.
16:45Okay.
16:47I'm incredulous right now.
16:49Why is her signature there? It looks like her signature is in other documents.
16:53That's it Madam Chair. That convinces me of the lying.
16:57I think you have already declared her incontemporary.
17:03I'm just elaborating.
17:05You have already declared her incontemporary.
17:09This is on the lying, not on the refusal to answer on the death threat.
17:13So sorry Alice, I gave you a chance.
17:19You mean to say, even putting your fingerprint there, you don't remember.
17:25So that's too difficult to...
17:34It's hard to believe that you were sleeping, you took your fingerprints, you were forced.
17:40I mean, it's too much.
17:43But it's not a lie in the picture.
17:47So with that Mr. Chair, it puts to rest your contempt citation of the resource person.
17:56Thank you Madam Chair.
17:58Madam Chair, if I may.
18:00Thank you, SP Pro Temp.
18:03Alice, how old were you when you put your thumbprint there?
18:11Sir, I don't remember putting my thumbprint there.
18:16Is that a thumbprint?
18:21You don't remember putting your thumbprint there?
18:25How old were you when you put your thumbprint there?
18:34You do not know how old were you?
18:38I don't remember putting my thumbprint there.
18:44Do you have a signature?
18:46Do you have a signature, SP Pro Temp?
18:48Did you sign it? You don't remember putting your thumbprint there?
18:54On the ACR.
18:56Do you have a signature?
18:58Let's show the ACR again.
19:00Your signature.
19:01Yes, let's show the ACR form that has a photo, fingerprints, and signature.
19:12Oh yeah, there's a signature. Is that your signature?
19:15Yes.
19:21So what we're showing is the fingerprints of Alice Guo.
19:25But when the NBI compared it to the fingerprints of Guo Huaping, it's identical.
19:29It's matched.
19:33Madam Chair, the letter answer, is that your signature, Alice?
19:40Under the picture, that's my signature, but I don't know how that happened.
19:46How do you not know how that happened?
19:49I really don't know, Sen.
19:51You don't know that you signed it? Did you sign it?
19:53Sen, I didn't sign that document, but it's my signature, but I didn't sign that document.
20:02So you're confirming that it's your signature in that form?
20:05I'm just confirming, Madam Chair, that the signature under the picture is my signature.
20:11But you do not remember when you signed that piece of paper?
20:16I didn't do anything like that.
20:19Well, it is impossible to fake fingerprints.
20:23You confirmed that it's your signature.
20:26The fingerprints here and the fingerprints in the document of Guo Huaping are matched by the NBI.
20:35It's just one person.
20:37Madam Chair, if I may, Madam Chair, just one.
20:39Sen Joel.
20:40Because I'm so sick and tired of whether Guo Huaping and Alice Goh are identical.
20:49Because we're already convinced.
20:51I mean, how can you doctor the fingerprints, Madam Chair?
20:55She doesn't want to answer that, but it's overwhelming.
20:59It's her, Guo Huaping.
21:01That's why we should call her Guo Huaping, not Alice Goh, because it's hard to call her Alice Goh.
21:08She's not Filipino.
21:10And also, what Sen Jinggoy was asking earlier, you know Alice Guo Huaping, the one who called you,
21:18the one who gave you the death threat.
21:20You know her, right?
21:22Because otherwise, you wouldn't have answered her and you wouldn't have known that the death threat is real and serious.
21:30Is that correct, Your Honor?
21:32Your Honor, I know one of them.
21:35But I'll just clarify what I saw earlier on the monitor.
21:42The signature is mine, but I don't know why the signature is there.
21:48I'm not asking anymore, Your Honor.
21:50I'm not asking anymore, Guo Huaping.
21:52I'm not asking anymore because it's very clear to me that your fingerprints cannot be doctored.
21:56So what I'm asking is, do you know the one who gave you the death threat?
22:00Where did she come from?
22:02Is she here in the Philippines or abroad?
22:06She's local. She's here.
22:08She's here in the Philippines.
22:10So your death threat comes from the Philippines.
22:13If your death threat comes from the Philippines, I saw your encounter with PNP Chief and SILG.
22:20It's like a fan myth.
22:22And it's like you're really a companion.
22:27And when you were interviewed, you said that because you're secured.
22:31You feel safe.
22:33You feel safe.
22:35You're with SILG and PNP Chief.
22:38Now my question is, if you feel safe, you're with PNP Chief and SILG,
22:44why do you need to leave the Philippines because you're afraid of your death threat?
22:49Why didn't you approach or report to PNP Chief or SILG?
22:54Yes, one more time, Ms. Alice. One last time.
22:59Yes, Madam Chair.
23:01Your answer to the question of Senator Joel.
23:06Sen, okay lang po, paulit po. Sorry po.
23:10Madam Chair, I hope you understand.
23:13I hope you understand.
23:14The question of Senator Joel.
23:18Sen, okay lang po, paulit po. Sorry po.
23:22Madam Chair, I hope the lawyers of Alice Go must advise their client to tell the truth.
23:30Alice, when you saw SILG and PNP Chief, you said that you're happy and you're happy.
23:39It's obvious.
23:41Nothing is hidden from the Filipino people that you're at ease.
23:46You're even allowed to take pictures.
23:50How can you say that you're afraid, that you have a death threat in the Philippines,
23:57but you need to escape, you need to leave the Philippines,
24:01but you said that you're safe to see PNP Chief and SILG,
24:05but you didn't approach them, you didn't ask for help.
24:09You didn't say that you're from the Philippines,
24:13and they called you several times that you're a death threat.
24:18Sen, to your question, I have two answers.
24:22One, that's why I'm smiling.
24:25That's for me, my language to my family, to the people who love me, that I'm okay.
24:32Sen Joel, with your indulgence.
24:35Before we go further into this topic,
24:38to settle this pending issue, I will reiterate.
24:43I move to cite Guo Huaping, also known as Alice Guo,
24:48in contempt of the Senate for testifying falsely and evasively before this committee.
24:53I second the motion, Madam Chair.
24:55I second the motion.
24:57Thank you, Sen JV and Sen Joel.
24:59With the motion duly seconded by Senators JV and Sen Joel,
25:02you are hereby cited in contempt.
25:05You will remain in the custody of the Senate until the conclusion of this committee's inquiry
25:12or until you finally recognize the authority of this body
25:16and grant even a semblance of respect for the laws of this country.
25:20The committee will coordinate with any court ordering your detention.
25:25But you will respect the Senate.
25:28Madam Chair?
25:30Sen Doroy.
25:32May we ask the resource person to answer my question first, Madam Chair?
25:35We will have one.
25:37Ms. Alice, one last answer at this point to the question of Sen Joel,
25:41and then one related question to Sen Doroy,
25:44and then the Chair will continue my questions, and the Majority Leader as well after Sen Doroy.
25:49Please answer the question of Sen Joel, Ms. Alice.
25:53Sen Joel, I interrupted earlier.
25:56I already answered the first answer.
25:57The second answer...
25:59I'm not even asking that first answer that you were talking about,
26:02that it's a sign to whoever your fan base is.
26:07My only question is,
26:09why didn't you go straight to PNP Chief and SILG?
26:13Why didn't you ask for police help?
26:15Because at the end of the day, that's also what you will do,
26:18and you said you feel safe.
26:20But no, you ran away, you left us,
26:23you exploited us, you exploited the entire government,
26:27you were humiliated in the entire Philippines.
26:30Our police, our NBI, Coast Guards,
26:33you really made us suffer.
26:35But now you will say you have a death threat,
26:38and now you are a campante, you were protected.
26:42It doesn't make sense, Alice.
26:44You're just bluffing.
26:47Please answer my question.
26:49Why?
26:53Sen, my answer to that is...
26:59After...
27:01I didn't have it in my mind that I can do that,
27:05and after I shared that I have a death threat,
27:10I feel relieved when I talked to them.
27:14Thank you, Sen Joe.
27:16You're still not answering my question, but anyway,
27:18you're not running away from the Philippines because of a death threat.
27:20That's what you're telling us.
27:21You're running away because you're running away from your cases.
27:24You're running away from the criminal activities that you did.
27:28Thank you, Sen Joel.
27:30Sen Doroy, one related question.
27:32Madam Chair, may this representation inquire as to
27:38the limit of the number of contempt citations
27:43that we can give to a particular resource person?
27:47Do we have a limit there or are we unlimited?
27:51There's no limit.
27:53Also, when the resource person answers us truthfully,
27:58we don't cite him.
28:00But in every hearing where he doesn't speak the truth,
28:05we can cite him in contempt.
28:07Right now, Madam Chair, she's facing three contempt citations already.
28:13If I'm correct, three or two more.
28:16The previous one, the one you rolled lately, and...
28:23Yes. The first one was citations in contempt because he didn't appear,
28:28because he ran away.
28:30Now that he appeared, we need to cite him in contempt
28:35because even though he appeared, his testimony is evasive and false to us.
28:39He lied to the committee.
28:41And maybe this third question, Madam Chair,
28:45if he turns it into a contempt citation,
28:49if he really doesn't want to cooperate with the source of his threat,
28:54that would be difficult.
28:57I know our role here in the committee is that
29:02we can only afford resource person
29:06and executive decision
29:11when the matters to be discussed
29:17are involving national security and public interest.
29:21And for this matter,
29:24we know that it's a personal interest and personal security concern.
29:31But then, why doesn't he want to cooperate with us?
29:36We are here to... Alice, we are here to help you.
29:40You're facing people from the government.
29:43We can help you with the threat.
29:45Don't be afraid.
29:48Who is that person? Is he really SIGA?
29:51He can't handle us?
29:53Tell us.
29:54We can't handle anyone here.
29:58Even if I'm not a police,
30:01but I'm a senator now,
30:03I can't handle that person who is threatening you.
30:07Cooperate with us on who is that source
30:11so we can help you.
30:13Thank you, Madam Chair.
30:15Madam Chair, just one short question.
30:19Before, Ms. Alice, answer the question of Sen. Doroy,
30:21Sen. Loren, and then the Majority Leader is next.
30:25To simplify,
30:28the information we need for now from Ms. Goh
30:34is who in the government agencies
30:38or outside the fixers
30:41helped her to get the Philippine Birth Certificate?
30:47Secondly,
30:49and who gave her the Philippine Passport?
30:53It's that simple.
30:55We've been here for an hour,
30:57and there are a lot of issues.
30:59Just answer that,
31:01and we'll help you.
31:03And your lawyers will understand that.
31:06That's all. Who?
31:08Because the PSA, with all due respect,
31:12and the DFA
31:13seem to have been infiltrated by the syndicates.
31:17How can we give a budget
31:20to the government agencies
31:23during this time
31:25of budgetary allocations for next year
31:28if what we are budgeting
31:31has been infiltrated by the syndicates
31:34against the people?
31:36So, you are the one who will say,
31:39Senator Tulfo knows the name of your fixer.
31:45Just tell us,
31:47how?
31:49Because it's not just you.
31:51The PSA admitted
31:53that more than 1,000
31:55were given the birth certificate.
31:581,200.
32:00That's the exact number, 1,200.
32:02So, we are still looking for
32:05a balance of 1,200
32:07that will make it seem like Alice Goh.
32:10Thank you, Sen. Loren.
32:12Sen. Rafi, before the chair recognizes.
32:15So, for the record again,
32:17Sen. Loren, we established in previous hearings
32:20that Alice Goh filed
32:22a late registration of live birth.
32:25She issued a birth certificate
32:28but the PSA already declared
32:31that your birth certificate is irregular.
32:34That's why it was cancelled
32:36in the Office of the Solicitor General.
32:39If I may just finish, Sen. Rafi,
32:42before recognizing Majority Leader
32:45and then Sen. Rafi.
32:47That's why the Philippine passport was obtained.
32:51I will just recognize at this point
32:53Majority Leader and then Sen. Rafi
32:56and then the chair will continue the questioning.
32:59And then each, in order of arrival,
33:01beginning with the SP Pro Temp
33:04and the Senate Minority Leader, Sen. Joel et al.
33:06will have 15 minutes each per round.
33:09We can go to a second round if we have time.
33:11So, Sen., I mean Majority Leader.
33:14Madam Chair, just an addendum
33:17to your earlier order
33:20citing in contempt Ms. Alice Goh.
33:23May the committee secretariat
33:26be likewise directed
33:28at this instant
33:29using the fastest means of communications
33:33to inform Branch 109
33:36of the Regional Trial Court
33:38based in Capas, Tarlac
33:40of the said citation, Madam Chair.
33:44Thank you, Major.
33:46Comsec, please do that.
33:48And please include in the communication
33:50to the good court
33:53what the chair said earlier
33:55in the citation in contempt
33:57to Alice Goh or Goh Hopping
33:59that the committee will coordinate
34:01with the court ordering her detention.
34:03So, we will coordinate with that court.
34:06And lastly, Madam Chair,
34:08just one thing,
34:10in that particular communication to the court,
34:14we also would like to put into the records
34:16how much we appreciate, Madam Chair,
34:18the confirmation of the court
34:24and the respect of the court to this committee
34:26to allow Goh Hopping to appear before us, Madam Chair.
34:31Because we wanted to put that into the records, Madam Chair.
34:34Thank you, Chair.
34:36Thank you, Sen. Joel.
34:38Yes, the whole committee and the chair
34:40appreciate that the judge
34:42initiated the written request
34:44to have Alice Goh or Goh Hopping
34:46appear and speak to our committee.
34:51So, the committee put on record
34:54the citation in contempt to Alice Goh
34:58and as a result,
35:00we will coordinate with the court
35:02because this is the one who ordered her detention.
35:05So, Sen. Rafi,
35:07and then the chair will continue with her question.
35:09Thank you, Madam Chair.
35:11She's been very evasive from the get-go.
35:13It seems like we're wasting our time
35:15and it's her right not to speak and to lie.
35:17What's important to me here now
35:20is that the syndicate is growing
35:22while we're talking here.
35:24That's what I'm hoping for,
35:26Madam Chair.
35:28As mentioned in the previous hearing,
35:31the person who will get the birth certificate
35:36through late registration,
35:38what we need to focus on
35:40in order for this syndicate to grow,
35:43is who in the late registration,
35:46in the local registrar's office,
35:48will get the birth certificate
35:51in Tarlac,
35:52who will get the birth certificate
35:54and who will be the mayor at that time,
35:56who will be the chief of the local registrar's office,
35:59and how many Chinese nationals
36:03in that town in Tarlac
36:05were given the Filipino birth certificate
36:09through late registration.
36:11This is a very big problem, Madam Chair.
36:14Only 1,200 in Davao del Sur,
36:18the foreign nationals who were given
36:21the Filipino birth certificate
36:23became instant Filipino citizens.
36:25Not only in Davao del Sur,
36:28but in other places in the country.
36:31The immigration itself admitted
36:33that every single year since 2000,
36:38they caught Chinese nationals
36:42who entered or left the country
36:45using a Philippine passport.
36:48They're not doing anything about it.
36:50Since...
36:53For decades,
36:55nobody's doing something
36:57to break up that syndicate.
36:59Because if we don't talk about this,
37:01and we only focus on one topic,
37:05the syndicate will expand
37:07until such time
37:09that we might wake up
37:11and take over Chinese nationals.
37:13Thank you Madam Chair.
37:15Thank you Sen Rafi.
37:16Thank you for those points
37:18during your question time.
37:20So Alice,
37:22I'll continue with your questions.
37:24A lot of photos came out
37:26of you with Duan Ren Wu.
37:29This character has been identified
37:31as the big boss of the POGO in Porac.
37:35I'm interested to know
37:37if your associates in POGO
37:39are also your associates outside.
37:42Did Duan Ren Wu help you
37:44to escape?
37:46Madam Chair, no.
37:49Well, if he didn't help you,
37:53it's time to set the record straight.
37:57Who helped you
38:00to escape to the Philippines?
38:03How did you escape?
38:07Madam Chair,
38:09one of my concerns is my safety.
38:12That is not my question,
38:14Alice.
38:16I'm not asking you
38:18the same question
38:20that Nascendo Roy asked you.
38:22I'm asking you
38:24how did you escape to the Philippines?
38:27Miss Alice.
38:29We escaped, Madam Chair,
38:33by boat.
38:35By boat.
38:37How did you escape by boat?
38:39I heard you said
38:41that you escaped
38:42by boat.
38:44Is that correct?
38:47Yes, it is.
38:49Ah, so you used a yacht.
38:52We used a yacht.
38:55Okay, at least it's clear.
38:57Not just a small boat,
38:59but a very big boat.
39:01Madam Chair, who was...
39:03Yes, SP Pro Temp.
39:05Who owns the yacht?
39:08Madam Chair,
39:10I don't know who owns the yacht.
39:12Miss Alice.
39:14Actually, SP Pro Temp.,
39:16this is a question for McLaren.
39:18At first, you can't remember
39:20who let you borrow the yacht.
39:22It's impossible to borrow
39:24a very expensive car,
39:26especially a very expensive boat,
39:28a yacht that you don't know about
39:30and escape to the country.
39:32The question of SP Pro Temp.
39:34Who owns the yacht?
39:37Where did you get the yacht from?
39:40What was your route?
39:42Madam Chair,
39:44I don't know who owns the yacht.
39:46That is impossible.
39:48Okay, we should have cited you
39:50in contempt.
39:52The answers are unbelievable.
39:54Madam Chair,
39:56SP Pro Temp.,
39:58if you don't know
40:00whose yacht you used,
40:02at least you know
40:04who facilitated
40:06you to ride that yacht.
40:08Who?
40:10Sen,
40:12I will not discuss this
40:14with your public.
40:16No, it is not okay, Miss Alice.
40:18I'm afraid.
40:20No, no, no.
40:22Who facilitated,
40:24Sen Doroy's question,
40:26who facilitated you
40:28to use the yacht?
40:30Madam Chair,
40:32I really want to say this,
40:34but I can't say it to the public.
40:36Write it down on paper
40:38and send it to our senators here.
40:40Write it down on paper
40:42and send it to our senators here.
40:44Who facilitated you to ride the yacht?
40:46The owner and the facilitator.
40:48I'm not sure if they are the same person.
40:50It doesn't matter.
40:52Write down the two
40:54or one of their names on paper
40:56so we can read it all here.
40:58Go ahead.
41:03Attorney David,
41:05you better tell your client
41:07to tell the truth
41:09and allow her to
41:12to write in paper
41:14the owner of the yacht.
41:16Miss Alice, write it down.
41:18There's the paper.
41:20Who facilitated you to ride the yacht?
41:23What port?
41:31Miss Alice,
41:33who facilitated you and what was your route?
41:35Sen, if I write it down,
41:37is it okay if you don't
41:39discuss it with the public?
41:40Please do not tell the senators
41:42what to do with the information
41:44that we almost have to
41:46pinch you.
41:48Sen, I'm afraid.
41:50Write it on the paper
41:52and we will appreciate it
41:54when we read it.
41:56Unbelievable.
41:58Other witnesses have to answer verbally.
42:00We will let you write it down on paper.
42:02Please do that now.
42:04There's another witness who did that
42:06in the last hearing.
42:08Please write it down on paper.
42:10Sen, I'm really sorry
42:12but I'm really afraid.
42:14Miss Alice,
42:16we're running out of patience.
42:18I hope you understand
42:20that I'm really afraid.
42:22We understand you
42:24and we know
42:26what you're afraid of
42:28and what you're saying.
42:30You don't want to say it.
42:32Now, it's simple.
42:34Write down who owns
42:36and facilitated the yacht
42:38and tell us
42:40who owns and facilitated
42:42the yacht.
42:44Sen, I really want to discuss this.
42:46You really want to?
42:48Then, tell us.
42:50You're shivering.
42:52You're shivering.
42:54And Miss Alice,
42:56you're in the custody of the PNP.
42:58How can you be killed there?
43:00It's impossible.
43:02You are within the most
43:04protective institution
43:06in our country.
43:08You are in the national
43:10security of the yacht.
43:12Yes, Madam Chair.
43:14I know I'm safe now.
43:16But I'm worried
43:18after the hearing,
43:20what will happen to me.
43:22Let's take it one day at a time.
43:24One step at a time.
43:26First step, write down
43:28who owns and facilitated
43:30the yacht.
43:32Madam Chair,
43:34I hope that
43:36Alice's lawyers
43:37will also
43:39agree with us.
43:41Although you have a deal
43:43with your client,
43:45we are investigating
43:47a syndicate.
43:49Mr. Tortol said
43:51that this syndicate
43:53has been here for a long time
43:55and we can't go there
43:57or there's no solution
43:59to this investigation
44:01if we can't reach the syndicate.
44:03So now,
44:05if we can't get information
44:07to this syndicate,
44:10we will have
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