Pakistan mein school nah jane walay bachon ki tadaad 2 crore 62 laakh tak ja pohanchi. ..
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00:00If education was common in our country, there would have been no blind imitation of any political party.
00:05Whether it was PTI, PMLNO or Pakistan People's Party,
00:08everyone would have thought about which party has solved so many problems for the people after coming to power,
00:13and which party only goes to the opposition and makes noise.
00:16This could have been understood if education was common in the country.
00:20But the sad thing is that in Pakistan, more than 260 million children are out of schools.
00:27According to the report of the Zeli Institute of Education,
00:32in Punjab, 11 million, in Sindh, 76 million and in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, 36 million children are out of schools.
00:41In Balochistan, 31 million and in Islamabad, 80,000 children are deprived of going to school.
00:46In Balochistan, 39% of children are out of school.
00:51In Balochistan, 65% of children are deprived of going to school.
00:56Remember that Article 25A of the Constitution of Pakistan, the right to education,
01:02which provides free education to children aged 5 to 16 years, is the responsibility of the state.
01:10Where are we lacking? We are not able to provide education to our children.
01:14We will talk about this later.
01:16Mr. Mohiuddin Ahmed Wani is with us. He is the Secretary for Education.
01:19Thank you very much, Mr. Wani, for joining us.
01:21Mr. Wani, this issue has become a matter of the province after the 18th amendment.
01:28But the problem is that in our country, more than 260 million children are out of schools.
01:35Where are we lacking?
01:37Is there no coordination? Is there no competition in the provinces?
01:40Is there no will from us?
01:42Where are we going wrong?
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03:08Let me add one thing.
03:10You said that as the population increases,
03:12the infrastructure will decrease.
03:14That makes sense.
03:16But do we not have enough infrastructure?
03:18Or is there infrastructure
03:20and we are not able to properly manage it?
03:22Combination of both.
03:24There is infrastructure in many places
03:26and yet children are out of the system.
03:28Let me give you an example.
03:30In Gilgit-Baltistan,
03:32Chilas, Diyamir,
03:34there was population,
03:36children were out of school.
03:38We had an intervention called
03:40School for Wheels Program.
03:42The enrollment of children increased
03:44from 25% to 75% in many schools.
03:46This means that there was infrastructure
03:48but because of poverty
03:50and multiple other reasons,
03:52children were not returning to the system.
03:54We have to work on both.
03:56Where there is a shortage of infrastructure,
03:58we have to improve it.
04:00And where there is none,
04:02we have to encourage children to come to school.
04:04There are economic and health reasons.
04:06It's a combination of both.
04:08And when you talk about population,
04:10I didn't say that population grows naturally.
04:12But Pakistan is increasing
04:14in its region by the highest percentage.
04:16This figure of 26 million,
04:18compared to the last survey,
04:20percentage-wise,
04:22our out-of-school children have decreased.
04:24But because the population is very large,
04:26this number has increased.
04:28I understand what you are saying.
04:30For a long time,
04:32the government had no consideration.
04:34We ignored the issue of population.
04:36Now, for some time,
04:38we have started to hear about the situation
04:40of children with HIV.
04:42We had forgotten about our population.
04:44Former Chief Justice of Pakistan,
04:46Mr. Saqib Nisar,
04:48had conducted a kind of seminar.
04:50But a seminar does not end the population.
04:52What steps are we taking
04:54that are on-ground?
04:56Population, poverty,
04:58lack of education,
05:00lack of infrastructure.
05:02And where there is infrastructure,
05:04there are no farmers.
05:06There is a lack of support.
05:08What can the department do
05:10to address all these issues?
05:12The first thing the department
05:14has done is
05:16to bring this on the national agenda.
05:18The National Education Emergency
05:20has all the provinces on board.
05:22Together, they are making a strategy
05:24on how to improve the enrollment rate,
05:26how to stop dropouts.
05:28Firstly,
05:30there is a healthy competition
05:32between the provinces.
05:34Secondly,
05:36despite devolution,
05:38we are not interfering.
05:40But we have now started supporting
05:42the provincial governments.
05:44Where can we support them?
05:46We are going to that extent
05:48that we go to the scale side
05:50to save children from dropouts.
05:52NAVTEQ has done a massive rollout
05:54on that.
05:56We are supporting them
05:58in many interventions.
06:00So that especially children
06:02who are anemic,
06:04who have poor health,
06:06who are dropouts,
06:08they can be brought.
06:10I'll give you an example.
06:12In Gilgit-Baltistan,
06:14there is a 99% literacy rate in Hunza.
06:16There, the population has gone
06:18to the negative.
06:20In Chilas, where the literacy rate
06:22is 29% for boys and 9% for girls,
06:24the population is growing at 5%.
06:26So again, it's a chicken and egg.
06:28If you address the population
06:30with education,
06:32the more you educate people,
06:34the more population will be controlled.
06:36So it's not either or.
06:38We have to do both simultaneously.
06:40Thirdly, we have to prioritize
06:42the allocation of resources.
06:44Last year, the GDP was 1.5%,
06:46which was allocated for education.
06:48This year, it's 1.9%.
06:50Let me tell you about my ministry.
06:52Last year, I got 8 billion rupees
06:54for the development of education.
06:56This year, it's 25 billion rupees.
06:58So all the provinces will increase
07:00incrementally.
07:02And for the next 5 years,
07:04they have to come up to 4% of their GDP.
07:06Thank you very much.
07:08It was a pleasure having you.