Madaris Registration Bil... Hukoomat Aakhir Kya Karna Chahti Hai? Jaaniye
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00:00Mufti sahab, let me conclude this discussion.
00:03Mufti sahab, you tell us first and then Rashid bhai.
00:06Mufti sahab, Rashid bhai says that if this matter goes to the Ministry of Education,
00:10then the Ministry of Education is an excuse to tighten the grip on the actual Madrasas.
00:14This is the aim of the government. That's why we won't let this happen.
00:17What do you have to say? If the matter goes to the Ministry of Education,
00:20then what will be the loss? Will there be any loss or?
00:23You just have to say, you just have to say,
00:25that why are you accepting a law without asking us?
00:29No, no, no, Badami bhai, these Madrasas,
00:34education is given here, right?
00:37This was our demand since 2000.
00:40And since 2005, this registration was not in the Ministry of Education.
00:45It was suspended.
00:46This was our demand from the Ulema, our elders,
00:49that it should go under the Ministry of Education.
00:52Because all the other procedures will be done from here.
00:56The attestation of our records, or giving it in equivalence,
01:00going to the student assembly and PhD, going for higher education,
01:04all those things are related to the administration.
01:07They are related to the Ministry of Education.
01:09Now listen to me.
01:11Let me say the last thing. Yes, go ahead.
01:14No, just a minute, just a minute.
01:16Sir, I am telling you. Yes, yes, go ahead.
01:18For the last five years, a representative of the religious organizations,
01:22who is a division level representative of Babalpur,
01:25last year he contacted me,
01:27that to get a registration in the Ministry of Trade and Industry,
01:31I have been going around for five years,
01:34and I have bribed thousands of rupees,
01:37but I did not get a registration.
01:39So when he came to us,
01:41this is a very easy procedure, he has done by the Ministry of Education,
01:45which within 15 to 20 days,
01:47without going around any office, without bribing,
01:52he gets the registration at home.
01:55The bank account is not open at all.
01:57In my own way, the bank account of Jamia Ilmiya is open.
02:00The bank account of our Ufaqs is open.
02:02All these facilities are due to the Ministry of Education.
02:05Okay, Mr. Mukhtar.
02:06It is not due to the Ministry of Trade and Industry.
02:08Okay, Mr. Mukhtar.
02:09Mr. Rashid, let's conclude the debate.
02:11Look, you have explained in detail,
02:14how the government will try to influence the distribution,
02:18if this matter comes under the control of the Ministry of Education.
02:20On the other hand,
02:21those who themselves are registered under the Ministry of Education
02:24and are running their schools,
02:25they are giving testimony on television,
02:27that the government has not interfered in the distribution at all.
02:30This is one thing.
02:31The second thing,
02:32Mr. Rashid, you know that this is a global environment,
02:34and we are a member of a global environment.
02:36There are right or wrong things,
02:38because there have been incidents at the global level,
02:40in 9-11.
02:41I am not going into this debate,
02:42whether it is right or wrong.
02:43If the government tells you,
02:44that sir, we also have some compulsion,
02:46we are not getting terror financing,
02:48the fund is not coming from a crime proceed,
02:51we also have to answer.
02:52So, sir, make such calculations,
02:54that we know,
02:55who is giving money to which school,
02:57tell us.
02:58So, what is wrong in this?
03:00Is this interference?
03:01Or is it the right of every government,
03:02to ask,
03:03that you run the institution,
03:04absolutely run it,
03:05but tell us,
03:06where are its funds coming from,
03:07because we have to answer the international institutions.
03:08Mr. Rashid.
03:09My opinion is,
03:10that our elders who were with you,
03:12take Muneeb-ur-Rahman on the line,
03:16it is more appropriate,
03:17that they answer him,
03:18because my answer,
03:19is not appropriate for them either,
03:21that they will immediately blame me,
03:23that they are political clerics,
03:24and we do not have a common interest.
03:26In our opinion,
03:27these are not scholars,
03:28in our opinion,
03:29it is the government.
03:30The question is,
03:31that with Fataf,
03:32if you have made any agreement,
03:34regarding my Madrasa,
03:35then why did you not take us in confidence?
03:37Isn't Maulana Fadlur Rahman a stakeholder?
03:39Isn't he a part of the parliament?
03:41Wasn't he a part of the PDM government?
03:43Why was that agreement hidden from Maulana?
03:45If you have made any agreement with Fataf,
03:47then put it in front of Madrasa.
03:49Put it in front of Mufti Taqi Usmani.
03:51Isn't Mufti Taqi Usmani the face of Pakistan?
03:53Isn't Mufti Taqi Usmani the well-wisher of Pakistan?
03:56Put it in front of Mufti Muneeb-ur-Rahman.
03:58Isn't Mufti Muneeb-ur-Rahman the face of Pakistan?
04:01Isn't he the well-wisher of Pakistan?
04:03Our opinion is,
04:04that if you are trading Madrasa,
04:07then we will not let you do this trade.
04:10Number one.
04:11Number two,
04:12my brother said that the accounts are open,
04:14but my Madrasa's account is not open.
04:16My Madrasa's matter is still hanging in Islamabad.
04:20Where will you go to the Ministry of Education?
04:22He says, go to the Ministry of Education,
04:24then I will be bound by them.
04:26Then you will have to come under Murabbi Nisam,
04:28if you go to a country.
04:30I am his mother.
04:32I am.
04:34I want to ask you,
04:35in which university is the translation of the Quran taught?
04:38In which university is Tafseer taught?
04:41In my Madrasa,
04:42even Matriculation has been declared compulsory.
04:44And what should the Madrasa do for you?
04:46And how can I come to the Ministry?
04:47We are giving you an audit report.
04:49We say we have no objection to the audit report.
04:51But you say no.
04:53The way FATAF is asking for an audit report,
04:55give it that way.
04:56The way World Bank is asking,
04:57give it that way.
04:58You tell me,
04:59what is the government asking you
05:00that you think you should not ask?
05:01We are not related to Pakistan.
05:02We are related to Pakistan.
05:03No, we did not ask.
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