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00:00Today was a good day for the Parliament.
00:02You must have heard this from many people.
00:05I have been hearing this repeatedly from within the Parliament.
00:08Will a good day for the Parliament be as good as all those bad days
00:14in which the Parliament either allowed itself to be used
00:18or for personal political gain,
00:21we have seen a lot in this Parliament in the last few years.
00:26Today, Bilawal started this speech.
00:29He said a lot of good things.
00:32When you listen to him, it seems like he is having a good conversation.
00:36Even though in the last two or three years,
00:39the People's Party has played its own role in terms of democracy.
00:42The way it has remained silent,
00:44it has remained silent on legal matters.
00:46There are a lot of questions on that.
00:48There are a lot of questions on whether you are involved.
00:50All those people, all those political parties,
00:53the place where the law was broken,
00:56whether it is elections or other matters, we will go into that.
00:59But first of all, he said one thing.
01:01And the basis of any parliamentary democracy,
01:04Bilawal said,
01:05that we should make this House functional,
01:07then the country will function.
01:09Mr. Speaker, I request you
01:11that we should make this House functional first,
01:14then we can make this country functional.
01:16But until this House is not functional,
01:18this country will not be functional.
01:20Absolutely right.
01:22This House will have to be functional.
01:25Decisions have to be made in this House.
01:28Until this is not done,
01:30this country and its democracy will not function.
01:33In this entire conversation,
01:35Ayaz Hadeg talked about the Charter of Parliament,
01:37which is also a good conversation.
01:39It is a good thing that there should be a Charter of Parliament.
01:42Let us forget what happened in the past.
01:45Our leadership may or may not sit together,
01:47but can we, parliamentarians,
01:49for the sake of Parliament, for the sake of improvement,
01:52can we not sign a Charter of Parliament?
01:54Can we not move towards improvement?
01:56Can we talk about people's rights?
01:58Can we talk about issues?
02:00Can we move away from personalities?
02:03Absolutely right, Mr. Speaker.
02:05Let us forget what happened in this Parliament.
02:08Let us remember what happened in the past few years.
02:12A law was passed a few days ago,
02:15the Bill of Permanent Prohibition and Security,
02:18on 7 September 2024.
02:20A bill was passed on the protest in Islamabad,
02:24on the case of Amna Amma,
02:26a bill was passed.
02:28Three years of imprisonment,
02:30without permission,
02:32and ten years of imprisonment,
02:34according to this law,
02:36which we are now seeing.
02:38Today, Mr. Khan Abbasi rightly said
02:40that the law was made based on one political party.
02:43The rest of the political parties
02:45will suffer the consequences.
02:47They are weaponising,
02:49by legislating,
02:51those forces,
02:53or that system,
02:55which is democratic,
02:57and democratic values,
02:59in which the right to assembly,
03:01that is, the right of any political party to protest,
03:03is a guarantee,
03:05in our constitution,
03:07the constitution of Pakistan.
03:09It is guaranteed in this.
03:11But these protests are not only done by political parties.
03:13Here, students come and protest.
03:15PWDs were protesting.
03:17Would you like to punish these people for protesting?
03:19No.
03:21But this law was passed by the assembly.
03:23On 27 August 2024,
03:25a bill was passed by the local government.
03:27And after approving this,
03:29on 8 October,
03:31the elections to be held in Islamabad,
03:33were postponed.
03:35That is, by legislating,
03:37the basic work of a democracy,
03:39this parliament was used
03:41to postpone the elections.
03:43Election Act Bill.
03:45You may remember,
03:47in July 2024,
03:49a few months ago,
03:51it was amended,
03:53that retired judges
03:55will be appointed in election tribunals.
03:57This same government,
03:59the PDM government,
04:01before the last election,
04:03had made this amendment,
04:05that only high court judges
04:07will head the tribunals.
04:09And the reason for this was that
04:11the tribunals work for 5 years,
04:13but the decision is not made.
04:15Then what happened?
04:17When they saw that they needed it,
04:19this law was also passed.
04:21It was approved.
04:23A possible amendment,
04:25which you are hearing a lot these days,
04:27is also in front of us.
04:29What will happen in that?
04:31Some extensions
04:33are being made at will.
04:35The plan is the same,
04:37which you are hearing a lot about,
04:39that numbers have been fulfilled,
04:41numbers have not been fulfilled,
04:43but this parliament is being used
04:45for its political interests.
04:47Whether it is the Supreme Court,
04:49or other courts,
04:51to control them.
04:53Then they say,
04:55we want to make the parliament effective.
04:57In this assembly,
04:59MNAs and big leaders,
05:01despite losing the election,
05:03are sitting with a sign,
05:05and are members of the National Assembly.
05:07It was made a while ago,
05:09and it was made right.
05:11It was said that the parliament
05:13will not be insulted.
05:15What happened?
05:17One SHO entered your parliament,
05:19arrested your MNAs,
05:21and the parliament is watching the drama.
05:23Not only are they watching the drama,
05:25but they defended it.
05:27The Speaker said,
05:29I did not know.
05:31Yesterday, Tariq Fazal Chaudhary
05:33told us,
05:36To arrest a CMNA,
05:38the Speaker has to be informed.
05:40He does not need permission.
05:42It is not about permission,
05:44but he was intimated.
05:46You are saying that the Speaker
05:48was told before the action.
05:50Yes, this is the position of the
05:52Islamabad administration,
05:54that we told them.
05:56As he is saying,
05:58it is necessary to inform,
06:00but permission is necessary.
06:02This is what the law says,
06:05There are different FIRs
06:07which have been registered,
06:09with the prior Honourable Speaker.
06:11The procedures of the National Assembly
06:13have to be followed,
06:15following all the instructions.
06:19Following all the instructions.
06:21The law has not been broken anywhere.
06:23This is what the IG of Islamabad
06:25and the Chief of Muslim Region
06:27are saying.
06:29This is what we call
06:31our parliament.
06:34Also, you may remember,
06:36when this government was formed,
06:38it was reformed into NAB.
06:42This parliament was used.
06:44It is necessary to act,
06:46but as I said,
06:48let us see what happened before.
06:50Using this parliament,
06:52such laws were made,
06:54in which one's life was spared.
06:56The day before,
06:58the Prime Minister Shabaz Sharif
07:00was to be convicted,
07:02the next day,
07:04all the cases were closed.
07:06The law was changed.
07:08It will not be less than 50 crores.
07:10In this way,
07:12all the conditions to save oneself
07:14were included in the law.
07:20Because this is an active parliament,
07:22it is very important
07:24that we remember
07:26how this parliament
07:28has been used.
07:30From this parliament,
07:32speeches were made
07:34against the Supreme Court.
07:36That is also an active parliament.
07:38Even today,
07:40Mr. Khayat stood up
07:42and said to the next Chief Justice
07:44that he may have joined
07:46some other party.
07:48That is why he said
07:50that a party is waiting.
07:52Although those who know
07:54Mr. Mansoor Ali Shah,
07:56their reputation is not of this kind.
07:58If you look at his past,
08:00his past was better
08:02and he was considered
08:04an anti-PTI.
08:06But this is not only about this time.
08:08Today, the PTI has also supported him.
08:10You may remember that
08:12secret cameras were taken out
08:14from the Senate in March 2021.
08:16There were cameras there.
08:18A committee was formed
08:20for the investigation of these cameras.
08:22Mr. Mustafa Almas Koker
08:24is present with me.
08:26This committee was not formed.
08:28At that time,
08:30there was a colonel
08:32who used to run the parliament.
08:34You are reminded again and again
08:36that who made the law.
08:38It was the establishment.
08:40They were called and told
08:42that the law has to be made.
08:44Everyone was gathered
08:46and then the law was made.
08:48When the trust vote was to be taken,
08:50the parliamentarians,
08:52Mr. Imran Khan,
08:54were locked up
08:56by the establishment.
08:58Because they had to
09:00complete the work.
09:02Today, we are talking about
09:04the effectiveness of Tariq-e-Insaaf.
09:06How easily you gave the seats
09:08which later made you realize
09:10that you gave the wrong seats.
09:12This is our black history
09:14of this parliament.
09:16We use this parliament.
09:18The slogans of democracy
09:20are very good.
09:22We do not use this parliament
09:24to promote democracy.
09:26We use it to promote
09:28our political interests.
09:30Mr. Bilawal said one more thing.
09:32Let's go to the debate.
09:34He talked a lot about
09:36its vulnerability and democracy.
09:38What did he say?
09:40The institution and the whole country
09:42run because of the law.
09:44Without the vulnerability of that law,
09:46neither this institution nor any other
09:48will be able to run.
09:50Until this country runs
09:52according to the law,
09:54it will not be able to run.
09:56These people who are locked up
09:58used to talk only about
10:00the establishment.
10:02Yesterday, they talked about this.
10:04Why can't politicians
10:06sit together
10:08and decide the rules of the game
10:10which are not even mentioned
10:12in the law?
10:14Mr. Bilawal talked about the law
10:16and democracy.
10:18The elections of Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
10:20were not held.
10:22Institutions were dismissed.
10:24How were the institutions dismissed?
10:26Elections were discussed.
10:28The media was choked.
10:30What happened to women in this country
10:32in the last two years?
10:34The People's Party became silent.
10:36It became a spectacle.
10:38It is a part of this hybrid system.
10:40Mr. Bilawal said very good things.
10:42But you should see that
10:44politics is not only about today
10:46but also in the future.
10:48I have already mentioned Mr. Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar.
10:50Thank you very much.
10:52Thank you, Mr. Khokhar.
10:54Thank you, Mr. Akhil.
10:56Thank you, Mr. Qureshi.
10:58He is from Lahore.
11:00I would like to ask him
11:02about democracy.