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00:00:30And with one shot the Rocksdale killer had struck again the body of Monica
00:00:43Thumbs thumbs you scared us you two listening to true crime podcast again. No
00:00:50Yes
00:00:51It's not any true crime podcast. It's whodunit featuring Laurel st. James. You guys need to make some new friends
00:01:00See you in class
00:01:07Class doesn't start for another 10 minutes. That's exactly what I was thinking press play birdie case. I love you
00:01:19After shooting her the killer placed a note in the victim's hand he disappeared into the darkness
00:01:25His identity still unknown to this day
00:01:30a birdie toad a birdie told me
00:01:35What was I supposed to say?
00:01:39The world's like a magical potion
00:01:43A little goes a long long way
00:01:56If someone who spent 25 years working homicides
00:02:00I can tell you it's evidence that solves crimes not the story of the crime
00:02:06So when someone describes the narrative of the crime you have to be skeptical
00:02:14so
00:02:16What's the job of the PI oh
00:02:19Yes, Bernie. We have to verify everything
00:02:23Exactly. Don't let the story dictate the evidence no matter how fun that story might be let the evidence
00:02:30Tell the story, okay
00:02:33pieces
00:02:35Alden
00:02:36You with us or?
00:02:39Loud and clear evidence not narrative. All right on to one of my favorite subjects the dangers of roughshadowing
00:02:47Why am I always so jazzed spending three hours talking about murder? I know I know me too
00:02:53But wait, we're not that murder couple, right? We do have other hobbies Bernie. We're private investigators now
00:03:00It's our job to be immersed in the crime world doctors go to hospitals we listen to strangers talk about murder
00:03:06We are the doctors of murder
00:03:09Yeah, no, that doesn't sound right. Whatever. We have a lot of normal people hobbies, too
00:03:14you like yoga, you know and doing lawyer stuff and I you
00:03:19you collect robots and you brew your own root beer and you will
00:03:24Literally do anything to wear a fake mustache. Well mine isn't growing, right?
00:03:29Do you think thumbs is right?
00:03:31Do we have to make new friends? Oh, we have tons of friends not counting your robots
00:03:37Yeah, he may have a point
00:03:41Listen to your body
00:03:45Inhale light
00:03:49Exhale what doesn't serve you
00:03:58Oh
00:04:00Sorry
00:04:02This is a room. I thought there was a room before the room where you do
00:04:07Whatever. This is this is a sacred space leave
00:04:15Namaste Namago
00:04:28And that concludes class
00:04:31If you haven't done so, please subscribe to my podcast
00:04:35Fire breath that is fire with a Y so you can
00:04:41breathe
00:04:43In the light at home. Sorry about that. Just got distracted with these cinnamon buns
00:04:49Yeah, don't worry about it Winters just gets protective of her sacred space
00:04:53Yeah, and it turns like sacred space why I will never be doing yoga. I'm sure that's the only reason
00:05:02These cinnamon buns are magical wait, how'd you get those? I thought they're always sold out. Okay. Well, of course you got a guy
00:05:08I got a guy
00:05:10You want one? It just worked out exactly calories cancel each other out
00:05:16Come on. Well, if the math works out, yeah, give me a little bite
00:05:20Mmm
00:05:24Those are magical right? Well, you're not planning on eating all those today. Are you nope these ones for tomorrow the coffee dunkers?
00:05:31Mmm, a man with a plan wait
00:05:35Bertie Bertie Perez
00:05:38Kristen Duckford
00:05:41Yeah
00:05:43Well, I'm actually pretty case now, this is my husband Alden hi guilty. Yeah. Hi. Sorry Sunday cinnamon buns are a bit of a commitment
00:05:51Oh, I thought you moved to New York. I did. Yeah
00:05:54I moved back after my dad passed away to take over the family business. So sorry to hear about your dad
00:05:58I work with my mom so I can seriously speak to family business and all that come through with it
00:06:03Oh, can't wait to hear about that. Mm-hmm. We should catch up. You want to get drinks tomorrow? You know what? Yes
00:06:09Let's do it. Let's make it dinner. We've got a lot of ground to cover. I love it. Yes
00:06:14You two should come over. Yeah, you can meet my boyfriend Tom
00:06:16We've only been dating a couple months, but I feel like if he can handle a couple high school stories between us
00:06:21You might be a keeper. Well, we will try not to scare him off. That sounds super fun. Yeah
00:06:28Right, what am I done?
00:06:30Yeah, that's super fun. Text me and we will iron out the details great
00:06:36Bye. Nice to meet you. Yeah
00:06:38Huh
00:06:42She was a
00:06:43Friend of yours for my school kind of, you know, we had a healthy rivalry
00:06:48I mean technically I had a higher GPA, but the principal rounded up a decimal point. So we were co-valedictorians
00:06:55And we're happy that she's back. Yes, babe. This is how we make friends
00:06:59Friends
00:07:11Bob's gonna get some cinnamon and pop them in my mouth
00:07:24No
00:07:25No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
00:07:30What happened to the dunkers? I don't know something got to them first. I can't even look
00:07:34It's like a crime scene and not the fun kind. Yeah, let me help you
00:07:38Ross
00:07:40Violated look forward to that all week. I'm sure it's a one-off. Oh and don't forget
00:07:47We have dinner with Kristen and her boyfriend Tom tonight
00:07:50How could I forget?
00:07:53I
00:07:54Name is Tom. Anyway, he's gonna float a raft down the Mississippi River. I'm sure that Tom is a nice guy
00:08:02You know what? I'm actually happy to reconnect with Kristen. It will be good for us to make new friends
00:08:08We don't exactly have the best track record, babe
00:08:10I have no idea what you're talking about after charades with the Marksons
00:08:13I think we're just lucky that they accepted your apology our apology
00:08:19I'll see you after work
00:08:22Her
00:08:25Hair will grow back eventually
00:08:28Where are you? Where are you? Where are you? Where are you? Ah, yes. Hey
00:08:38Keys keys keys. Okay
00:08:41One of you has got work, right?
00:08:45Birdie yeah, where are you with the Wagner case? Oh, I'm nearly done just waiting for their counsel to send revisions
00:08:51It'd be good by the end of the week. Okay. Well send them to me as soon as you can. Okay, I
00:08:57Don't need them that badly. No, no, I'm looking for a hairpin or a paperclip. Oh
00:09:04here
00:09:06Perfect. Thank you. Are you gonna pick the lock? I mean, I've never done it before but you know on TV
00:09:12It seems pretty straightforward. I'll call a locksmith. No, no, no, I got it. I got it. Thank you. I got it. I
00:09:20100% totally got it
00:09:35Let's see, I'm not picking for beginners
00:09:50Ah
00:09:57This outfit looks really good on you like an unemployed funeral director you look handsome
00:10:04Thank you for doing this. Of course. My favorite hobby is making you happy
00:10:10Are you flirting with me? No, maybe
00:10:12Hey
00:10:14Hey guys, hi
00:10:17Thank you
00:10:18Sorry, Tom called from work. He's gonna be a little late. No problem. Can I get you some wine? Yes, please
00:10:24I'll stick with the old sarsaparilla
00:10:27Great wine for birdie then
00:10:42Oh
00:10:48No way
00:10:52Babe
00:10:53She's got Laurel st. James's book. Wait
00:10:57Do you like murder? Yeah, I
00:11:01guess
00:11:03Laurel's actually one of our authors. We published that book. She's one of our bestsellers
00:11:08It's probably the only reason why we're still in business publishing sounds like a rough business
00:11:11I'm fourth generation. So rough business is in my blood. Oh, it's signed nice
00:11:17No way. Yeah. Oh
00:11:20I should introduce you. She records her podcast in town. Great. Oh, yeah
00:11:25It's Tom
00:11:28Introduce us what?
00:11:31You know what honestly this whole having friends thing it's not so bad see I told you and you're doing so so good
00:11:37as promised
00:11:39This is my boyfriend Tom
00:11:42He's a policeman. Oh, we've met
00:11:55Wow, so you solved the lean McGinnis murders. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's how we know officer air quotes
00:12:02Excuse me, officer Newton. You had it right you can call me Tom Tom
00:12:07so
00:12:09Alden you
00:12:10Still into robots or whatever. Oh, it's a very busy time of year
00:12:14We're seeing a lot of lesser-known omnibots come to market while the frenzy over vintage show guns is kind of died down
00:12:19Although I did get my hands on a rare bond. I should go Ken
00:12:24Which is pretty cool. I
00:12:28Don't know what any of that means yes, I'm still two robots cool
00:12:32I
00:12:36Mean this might be the best root beer I've ever had I made that. Mm-hmm you
00:12:42Make your own root beer. It's small batch award-winning root beer award-pending
00:12:46Yeah, I gotta set in the form, but um, I could I could send you a case. Oh
00:12:54Sure, yeah, that'd be cool cool
00:12:59Well, cheers cheers
00:13:03To robots and root beer
00:13:08I'm so happy you guys came over me too. Yeah, you know what this
00:13:14This was fun agreed. We should do it again. Sometime you bring the root beer
00:13:20Hey, if you ever need a hand on a case we are always happy to help always I don't think so
00:13:26But hey, you never know
00:13:30So you're saying there's a chance
00:13:33Yeah, your coats my lady. Oh, what a gentleman. Oh, I got it, baby. Oh
00:13:41That's the rubber ducky, uh, my last name is duck burn duck burn publishing it's our little logo we give them out
00:13:47Do you want one? Uh
00:13:49Yeah. Oh great. I'll send you one. Well, thank you so much for hosting. It's so much fun
00:13:55All right. Have a good night you guys
00:13:57I
00:14:02Think I liked you I can be charming. Okay. I'll see you tomorrow
00:14:27Oh
00:14:29Oh
00:14:52Yogurt yogurt yogurt yogurt Swanson's yogurt. It's delight fully
00:15:00Oh
00:15:03Look who it is. You took my yogurt Laurel. I know it was you and it was delightfully delicious
00:15:11It's my line
00:15:12delightfully
00:15:15He's going over his time again, oh
00:15:18I'm sure he's just finishing up. Oh, don't worry enough. I'm looking up now place to please all yours in just a moment
00:15:26Nigel I pay for a private studio starting at 9 p.m. Yeah, I have a very important show tonight
00:15:32Yeah, that reminds me the time me and Ronnie Wood. We're in a bowling alley in New Jersey. Well, it's all yours your majesty
00:15:39Oh, really?
00:15:41Do you see that? I don't know how you do it. I don't know how you put up with that woman. Ah, it's too much. Why?
00:15:49It wasn't New Jersey
00:15:52And it wasn't Ronnie Wood
00:15:54Whoa, it says here that we shouldn't be using seed oils. Apparently, they're terrible for you. What?
00:16:02Thought they were supposed to be good for you used to be I guess and now they're not inflammatory to the gut or something. Oh
00:16:10Come on
00:16:11Stuff is falling apart
00:16:15Okay, I
00:16:17Don't want you to freak out, but we may have an mo usc
00:16:23Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't you?
00:16:26Know I just calm down. It's gonna be fine. No, it's not gonna be fine
00:16:32Let's just get some sleep and we'll deal with the mouse situation tomorrow
00:16:39Nobody's sleeping tonight nobody
00:16:50Seriously
00:16:52Testing testing one two three testing testing one two
00:17:01Welcome to another episode of whodunit, I'm Laurel st. James on
00:17:06This the final episode of whodunit. You're gonna hear the true story of the Rocksdale killer
00:17:13We are gonna dive into the lives of the three victims
00:17:17Monica Ganey Caroline Olmstead and
00:17:20Alexandra Kolesnikov
00:17:22Innocent young women gunned down in the prime of their lives. You see fate was a cruel master
00:17:29Are the victims of these senseless crimes?
00:17:34This episode is like no other as I will finally reveal the truth behind the Rocksdale killer
00:17:46You
00:17:48You
00:17:50You
00:18:14What do we have we're in chief
00:18:17Female 54 years old ID in the victim's purse. Her name is Laurel st
00:18:21James coroner's on the way, but cause of death looks to be a fatal gunshot wound from the bullet in the chair
00:18:29That's definitely Laurel keep this one close it's gonna be press you find the body
00:18:37Yeah, it's the manager Nigel Plumlee he closed up after nine o'clock last night she was here alone
00:18:43He was first on the scene at 630 this morning any security cameras. Yep. What they don't work broke last year
00:18:49We're never fixed. However
00:18:51We find this
00:18:54TRK
00:18:56Rocksdale killer, maybe he's back. Let's hope not
00:18:59Get the manager and everyone else who had access to the studio in for an interview
00:19:04sir
00:19:06Oh
00:19:11Hello, good morning sleepyhead. Let me know what you think
00:19:21Not bad, thank you. Well, I learned from the best
00:19:25Hey, you wouldn't have to have my car keys. Would you yep there in my jacket? Thank you. I
00:19:31I
00:19:34Saw it was huge. Oh, it'd be red eyes and claws. Okay, just calm down babe. Take a deep breath. I'll go check it out. Okay
00:19:43Be careful those things have the plague
00:19:47Well, I didn't find it but I did find these I will not have a repeat of the camp when it was Aki sleeping bag
00:19:54Incident of 1992 birdie. I will not I know I know babe. Don't worry. I'm gonna call the exterminator
00:19:59I need to buy some duct tape some netting some chicken wire
00:20:03Possibly a harpoon. Yes, I think we might have a mouse in the house. Oh, yeah
00:20:08I'm talking crazy. I already have duct tape. Good morning. We begin with breaking news
00:20:13I'm outside the studio 45 podcast studio where we're hearing reports of a homicide happening here late last night
00:20:21My sources are telling me that the victim is famed true crime author and podcaster Laurel st. James
00:20:27You may remember that Laurel st. James
00:20:29Rocketed to fame with her reporting on the Rocksdale killer who allegedly killed three young women in the Boston area in the early
00:20:371990s and that person has remained at large ever since. Hey, are you seeing what I'm seeing? Yeah, this is crazy
00:20:44You should check in with Kristen. Yeah. Yeah, I will. I cannot believe that Laurel st. James is dead
00:20:48Oh has the exterminator gotten there yet? What?
00:20:52I need an exterminator. I'm literally fixing the problem as we speak Alden. He'll be there any minute. Okay, please let him help
00:20:58I gotta go birdie
00:21:09Sup, bro
00:21:10Your wife called about helping you out with a mouse. Yeah, we're good, bro. We got it covered
00:21:16Well, she said it was an emergency
00:21:18Mentioned you were threatening to burn the house down
00:21:23Crazy I gotta burn the house down. You're gonna burn the house down that bud
00:21:30He's not gonna burn the house down would that work though, I'm just gonna leave you my card just in case
00:21:39This is my house and I'll protect it
00:21:42Crazy day
00:21:45Laurel st. James is dead Wow. I know who Laurel st. James is that's big news. Yeah
00:21:53Something else is bothering you we have a mouse in the house
00:21:56Oh, no
00:21:56and with Alden's experience at summer camp where the mouse climbed into a sleeping bag and the zipper got stuck and he and the mouse
00:22:02Couldn't get out. Yeah, so Alden is completely freaking out
00:22:06So I called the exterminator and they said they were gonna put a mouse in the house
00:22:09Freaking out so I called the exterminator and now he's saying that he doesn't want the help but I thought you two were back on
00:22:15track we are no we are it's just
00:22:18he gets so easily distracted and
00:22:21Sometimes I feel like he isn't listening. Well
00:22:25Sometimes listening is a two-way street
00:22:28Well
00:22:30It all started years ago
00:22:32So me and McFleet would have just rendered tendon bicycles
00:22:35We were about to go Dutch on a baguette and jam when suddenly we realized wait stop just
00:22:42Walk me through what happened first. You got to understand that Mick was more of a chutney guy. What's chutney?
00:22:50She took my yogurt. She took your what it was delightful
00:22:54She took my yogurt she took your what it was delightfully delicious. Why are you talking like that?
00:23:00My podcast is called fire breath. FYI
00:23:05We cover a variety of topics, but mainly it's a beacon of light and truth for my listeners. And did you know Laurel?
00:23:11Yeah, I knew the vessel called
00:23:15It's gonna take long I'm told you also have a true crime podcast
00:23:19Was there any competition between you and Laurel? No, he shouldn't be looking at me
00:23:23You should be looking at well the TRK, but this could be the work of the Pittsburgh Strangler or AJ Shockman
00:23:28I mean we could have another blueprint killer situation on our hands. What?
00:23:32According to the synopsis of our current timeline there are multiple outcomes all dependent on each particular dimension
00:23:41We're good here
00:23:44Enjoy your dimension
00:23:47Oh
00:23:48Any luck deciphering any of that? It's like they're speaking in a different language. I didn't get any of it neither
00:23:54I think we're gonna need some help. This case has already become front page news. I got reporters hounding me for updates
00:24:01Okay, so what are you thinking? We have a little money in the budget to hire a consultant
00:24:05You need to find someone who speaks their language speaks their language. Did you listen to that?
00:24:12That's like a new dimension of nerd speak
00:24:14I don't know anybody that would understand
00:24:19No, no
00:24:33There you go, good boy
00:24:36Boy
00:24:38Remind me again what the tinfoil is for I thought it was obvious so we could track the mouse and here's little footsteps
00:24:45Babe, all of this tinfoil is interfering with the Wi-Fi. Oh
00:24:51Come on what what happened nothing nothing nothing just um, my mom
00:24:56Sent me a redline document that I thought I was done with
00:25:00Oh, I don't know how you can think about work at a time like this. The house is under siege
00:25:04I'm not the one who didn't let the exterminator help. That is his job all that
00:25:08And you know, you didn't have to call him behind my back. You were literally in the room
00:25:14You just weren't listening
00:25:17I've no idea who that could be. Oh, maybe the mouse ordered takeout
00:25:26Listen
00:25:27We're a little understaffed with the Laurel case and you need our help
00:25:33I already regret this. Are we on the case?
00:25:36Yes
00:25:37You're on the case
00:25:47All right, here's everything on the Rocksteel killer
00:25:50Well, we didn't start digitizing files to the 2000s Rocksteel was in the 90s. So we only have hard copies. Oh
00:25:56It's actually not a lot here. No, that's what we got and there's this
00:26:00This says all the audio files from Laurel studio outtakes episodes even a murder. There is a lot on here. Nice. No
00:26:09While we think there may be a connection to the Rocksteel killer
00:26:13We still need to check out other suspects which more importantly brings us to why we're asking you to help with the case
00:26:20We need your help interviewing potential suspects. Why would you need our help with that?
00:26:24Well, the interviewees are a little yeah, how do I put this?
00:26:27Challenging so meet me at the station tomorrow at 9 a.m
00:26:30Do you really think that the Rocksteel killer could be back after all these years? I don't know
00:26:36I'm gonna find out
00:26:39Okay, so here are the first three victims of the Rocksteel killer we have number one Caroline Olmsted number two
00:26:47Monica Ganey number three
00:26:50Alexandra
00:26:52Kolesnikov and our current victim also dates. Yep. Oh
00:26:59We're doing purple string now, yeah, I buy whatever's on sale this week
00:27:03It was purple and I think it looks fantastic
00:27:07Fair enough. Okay, so between Laurel's podcast and her newspaper clippings and her book
00:27:15Laurel created a bit of a cottage industry around the Rocksteel killer, but did she scare him out of retirement scissors?
00:27:22well
00:27:23the note at the crime scene says
00:27:27Silence speaks louder than words
00:27:30So maybe she was getting too close to identifying the killer
00:27:34That would be enough motive to come out of retirement to shut her up. It's just so weird
00:27:39I cannot find notes from the first three victims. I don't know
00:27:44All right
00:27:47Whoa
00:27:49What's going on with the kids?
00:27:50Well, it's kind of a two-pronged approach
00:27:52You see the mouse runs into the cans gets disoriented and then straight into the trap and snap. I said it was some pecorino
00:27:59I mean, it's his last meal. I wanted to be good, right?
00:28:02I see that you have a very clear vision with this, but I need your brain here, babe
00:28:08This is a big deal
00:28:09We have to get familiar with these files so that we are ready for our interviews tomorrow
00:28:14We get to be detectives like the ones on TV
00:28:18Yeah
00:28:19You're right, of course. Okay
00:28:22Okay, so
00:28:24She took my yogurt. It was delightfully delicious, but it isn't delightfully delicious. Is it?
00:28:33I've tried
00:28:35said yogurt before and
00:28:38Let me tell you it's it's pretty terrible so Pat
00:28:43What's really going on?
00:28:45Yeah
00:28:47She's mean
00:28:50She's a bully
00:28:51She creates this toxic work environment and I don't like it, but but I didn't kill her. I swear
00:28:57Don't tell anyone. Please don't tell anyone
00:29:00It's hard for me to describe where I was because time and space are not absolute
00:29:04One's perception of time is different than another person's you can have multiple variations of the same instance
00:29:12Are you talking about time dilation? Very perceptive. You watch a lot of Titans Odyssey. I never miss an episode
00:29:25Yes, I says to Stevie Nicks
00:29:28I says, I know what everyone's saying. I trust me just gonna lead into the scarf
00:29:38So, so where were you two nights ago between 9 and 10 p.m. I was at home with mother
00:29:45And she could vouch for that
00:29:48Mothers me cat. I
00:29:51Know you don't I I
00:29:56Classes the energy between you two is out of harmony
00:30:01You both are speaking, but no one is listening to each other
00:30:06You and Laurel often recorded your podcasts on the same days
00:30:10I heard that you two didn't really get along. Did you ever exchange more than words?
00:30:17I could not bring physical harm to any creature on this realm or the other
00:30:23Well order on town as you have quite the temper. Maybe you're not as zen as you'd like to come across
00:30:29In fact, some people describe you as phony
00:30:33That's malicious gossip
00:30:36You you want to search my my things? Huh? My my sacred space. I
00:30:44Think we're good for today. This has been great
00:30:47That's it for now. Thank you so much
00:30:58Aside from TRK it could be the Kojak killer and I will say this again
00:31:02The blueprint killer is a real possibility here
00:31:05Well, only problem with that is authorities believe the Kojak killer died in 1972 in the blueprint killer. Come on. That's so 2010
00:31:14I
00:31:15Let me ask you something now if someone wanted to harm
00:31:20Laurel who would that be?
00:31:22Definitely the Rocksdale killer and possibly her ex-husband ex-husband
00:31:28Peter st. James
00:31:30Laurel mentioned that she and her ex had a very contentious divorce
00:31:33And she said that he was the bane of her existence on the record. So it just for our records
00:31:39Where were you that night between 9 and 10 p.m. At home?
00:31:42Planning for my next show nothing special. Can we corroborate that? No, I live alone
00:31:48Okay, you know what? We're gonna leave it there for now. Thank you for your help Katie. Mm-hmm
00:31:54By the way, I'm a big fan of you two
00:31:56I'm actually doing a podcast episode tomorrow on my show in your last case lean McGinnis
00:32:01Would you guys want to come by the studio for an interview?
00:32:04Yeah
00:32:05Well, so long as we only talk about the lean McGinnis case and not this one deal
00:32:12Oh
00:32:17Don't touch that
00:32:20No, here it is
00:32:23Okay, Peter st. James looks like Laurel filed the restraining order during the divorce
00:32:29recipe for trespassing
00:32:31And a couple other minor things. Well, that's not good. Look he's even in the right age range to be the Rocksdale killer
00:32:38What if Laurel was sleeping with the enemy?
00:32:42Oh, that's juicy
00:32:44Okay, I'm gonna go check this guy out. Yeah with us. No, not with you
00:32:47What is with you guys a personal space or not some crime-fighting team?
00:32:50That's gonna form an unlikely friendship and somehow become better people because of it, right?
00:32:55Tom
00:32:59We could be helpful, okay, I mean we do speak the language of the people
00:33:05Fine you can come meet me there at three. I'll text you the address. Do not go in without me understood understood
00:33:11That's not funny. It's a little funny
00:33:16Okay, yeah, so I think this is it Peter st. James, yeah, okay
00:33:20So I'm gonna ask him about the restraining order and the trespassing sounds good, babe
00:33:24How's it look you never miss an opportunity never?
00:33:28Miss an opportunity never
00:33:32Your quotes is late, yeah
00:33:34Well, we're just gonna wait here like we said we would exactly we should look around go through his trash get to know the guy
00:33:39That sounds like a terrible idea on it. Hold it. Hold it. No
00:33:45Simplest a single s no, we told him that we would wait for him
00:33:52We have to go back, come on, hold it all then let's roll out
00:33:58Oh
00:34:01We should not be doing this just
00:34:04Going through people's trash. It's a lot warmer inside
00:34:09Come on I made snooker doodles
00:34:14After you honey
00:34:20Mmm
00:34:22Mmm
00:34:25Surprise is taking y'all so long to get here. What's up? I'm X. I'm suspect numero uno. Did you kill her?
00:34:35Right for the jugular, it's my kind of man. No, I did not
00:34:45Hola amigo cookies
00:34:55Oh
00:34:57No, I'm good, thanks
00:34:59What's your arm?
00:35:01so
00:35:02What I miss well, I'm not shocked about Laurel's murder and I get why you're asking I have more than enough motive
00:35:11But Laurel she took everything away from me
00:35:14Your divorce did seem quite contentious the way Laurel painted me made me sound like a monster
00:35:19But most of it wasn't even true Laurel
00:35:21She had a gift of storytelling and the restraining order. She threw me out of the bus. That's what she does
00:35:27Just ask Maxwell Kovac. Who's Maxwell Kovac? Well, it sounds like you need to do a little more research
00:35:33Funny things though, you know a few weeks ago
00:35:36She came by and she apologized. What did she apologize for? No end of our marriage
00:35:41Blind ambitions how she made up things about me and where were you the night? She was killed book club
00:35:47We're reading liquor water for chocolate, this is an incredible story
00:35:51Oh, come on. What about a chocolate? Oh, what a love story the love between Tita and Pedro, but the betrayal
00:35:56I know when you have to go she tried to get me to read the book. Yeah
00:36:00Well, we are gonna come over for a baking class. Oh, yes those cookies divine
00:36:10Did I or did I not tell you to wait for me
00:36:14Well, he invited us in actually, okay, the thing you're not getting is I'm responsible for your safety
00:36:20And I can't protect you. If you don't listen to me. I know I know we're sorry. It will not happen again
00:36:25Yeah, Paul Simon. It's not you. I'm worried about it's Garfunkel here. All right. I don't think we need the name-calling
00:36:33I'm sorry
00:36:34Won't happen again. Okay, I'll look into his alibi
00:36:36You guys look into Maxwell Kovac, but I think it's safe to say that Peters not our guy sounds like a plan
00:36:44Home look at that. Yep. All right those cookies unbelievable
00:36:54I'm coming for you
00:37:13Don't even think about going all in I got you beat
00:37:16big bird baby bird
00:37:18Anything on Kovacs?
00:37:19No, no, not yet
00:37:21Any mouth sightings?
00:37:28You know what, yeah, yeah, I think I heard something by the couch
00:37:38I'll get him. Hey, you can trust me
00:37:43I
00:37:57Have to tell you something
00:37:59Okay
00:38:00I've been playing poker online a lot for a while and I've been hiding it from you and the story I kept telling myself
00:38:06Was that this was just for fun and that the secret wasn't a big deal, but any secret between us is a big deal
00:38:13Why don't you just tell me because I don't want you to judge me for playing poker birdie. I
00:38:19Am the last person in the world
00:38:22In a position to judge someone for their extracurricular activities. I love you for your
00:38:28weird
00:38:29In the same way that you love me for mine
00:38:33We are all or nothing
00:38:36And I am all in with you
00:38:39No more secrets, though
00:38:41No more secrets
00:38:44Well, there is one more thing, okay
00:38:48I'm really good at poker like how good like I turned a hundred bucks into twenty eight thousand nine hundred eighty three dollars and
00:38:56Sixteen cents and I have a reputation online for being a ruthless shark. There are
00:39:00chat rooms
00:39:02Dedicated to people complaining about how good I am
00:39:06Do we need to plan a trip to Vegas? I can see a poker themed adventure in our future
00:39:11Should we get back to work? Yeah. Yeah, we really should
00:39:14So listen, I started going through Laurel's audio files. Okay, okay far big old snooze vest. Really? Yeah
00:39:22Nothing at all here. Listen to this
00:39:25These crackers taste a little stale. Oh you weren't kidding. Yeah
00:39:30No, there's a yogurt all over the place didn't mean to know that and that's why I don't valet park anymore
00:39:37I just don't trust him. He really gave us the raw files
00:39:40Yeah, you see fate was a cruel master for the victims of these senseless crimes
00:39:46This episode is like no other as I will finally reveal the truth behind the Rocksteel killer
00:40:00That's huge that is huge she knew who the Rocksteel killer was
00:40:04I mean, it's certainly possible that she could have been killed for what she knew. I just wish we could hear better
00:40:11Speakers are terrible. Let me work on it. Okay. Well, you know what in the meantime we can start putting people up on the board
00:40:17Right. Yeah, so I think we can both agree that Winterus has definitely earned her spot on the board hard
00:40:23Yes, right. She and Laurel were known to dislike each other
00:40:27Babe, what is this? Oh
00:40:29Okay, next up we have pet the voiceover artiste
00:40:36Delightfully suspicious Katie Hiller the other true crime podcaster. She should definitely go up there, too
00:40:41Yeah, I mean she's too young to be TRK, but it doesn't mean she didn't kill Laurel could be a copycat
00:40:46Exactly. Oh and let us not forget the ever-present studio manager Nigel
00:40:51How old do we think this picture is? No before color photos were a thing
00:40:57So Nigel found the body and he was the last person to see Laurel alive super suspicious
00:41:03So what do we think about sci-fi guy?
00:41:06Yeah, I think he could have done a guy such a sweetheart. No
00:41:10Besides car regions are notorious passivists. Hmm. I may catch an episode of Titans Odyssey from time to time. Okay
00:41:20Alrighty got ourselves a board got ourselves a board
00:41:27I
00:41:34Think you left something in the conference room. Oh
00:41:38That's very good deduction mom. I mean
00:41:41Eleanor I gotta say you and Alden on the hunt for the Rocksteel killer is exciting
00:41:47Do you really think you can catch him? I don't know
00:41:50It's just such an old case that I still don't feel like we have the whole story
00:41:56Well, you've got to work with what's in front of you step by step. I know perseverance has always opened doors for me
00:42:04You'll get there
00:42:10Perseverance
00:42:13You got this
00:42:15And tonight with no new information on the possible return of the Rocksteel killer
00:42:20Authorities are asking the public to remain calm, but vigilant. Okay, so she sent studio one
00:42:26So cool. I mean, we're basically celebrities now. Well, I mean we're doing one podcast. Oh, I'm a little nervous
00:42:33Oh, you got this babe. Remember I am always on your team. Okay
00:42:41Katie hello. She did say to meet her right studio one
00:42:51Right, I mean
00:42:53No, it's like you're only quiet
00:43:13You're safe now it's gonna be okay, so scary. Okay, Katie
00:43:18Just start with the basics
00:43:21What do you remember seeing? Well
00:43:23He was tall I'd say around six feet
00:43:27He was wearing a hoodie, but I could see he had brown eyes
00:43:31He had a low voice, but it wasn't suspiciously low. It was like average low
00:43:36What's average low stop talking?
00:43:39What's average low shortly keep it locked to WNK channel 6 your source for breaking news and we will bring you that update live Travis
00:43:47That's pretty good. Hey, excuse me. I'm so sorry to bother you. I noticed that you have a dashcam on your truck
00:43:55Yeah
00:43:56Could ask you for a huge favor. Yeah, what's up?
00:44:01Okay, you're sure you're all right
00:44:03Okay, tell you what when you go home get some rest come to the station in the morning
00:44:07We'll have you work with the sketchers. Sorry Tom. Do you mind if I have a quick private chat with Katie, please?
00:44:11Well, absolutely
00:44:13Take her away
00:44:15Okay, great
00:44:27I know you didn't see the Rocksdale killer. I did see him. He was right here. He grabbed me
00:44:34I didn't know what to do. Then he ran when he heard you come in
00:44:38Okay
00:44:40We can rewind it from right here
00:44:46That's Nigel leaving
00:44:50Nobody entered or left the building in the 30 minutes before we arrived or the 15 minutes after I swear I saw him
00:44:58Katie, I'm an attorney and a
00:45:00Very good poker player. I know when someone is lying
00:45:04Well, you have no idea how competitive it is. There are so many true crime podcasts
00:45:09It's like sometimes I feel like I would do anything to be successful
00:45:14Look let me tell you that success at all costs and
00:45:20Keeping things from your husband who is now completely obsessed with catching a mouse, even though he's the most adorable person you will ever meet is
00:45:27Never worth it
00:45:30How do I get out of this we tell the truth together?
00:45:34Okay
00:45:38Let's go
00:45:43I
00:45:56Didn't
00:45:58Oh
00:46:11What is this thing it's ground-penetrating radar I
00:46:15Have to protect our castle. That's why I turned away the exterminator
00:46:18Okay, I cannot believe that I'm saying this but I think Winters is right. We are not in harmony
00:46:24Oh, come on, you're gonna believe that wingnut says the guy with a ground-penetrating radar machine at 6 in the morning
00:46:30Well, how else am I supposed to see into the floors? What?
00:46:36Birdie if we want to catch this mouse, we have to up our game
00:46:45Okay
00:46:46You know what? I I
00:46:49Said I was all in
00:46:51so I
00:46:53Guess I have to be all in
00:46:57with this to
00:46:59pretty case
00:47:00Coming to the dark side. We have not been listening to each other, but we are gonna start right now and
00:47:07If we are going to catch
00:47:09said mouse
00:47:11We are going to do it
00:47:13together
00:47:17Case style
00:47:23Okay
00:47:36Birdie oh, okay. So new plan. These are humane. Nobody has to die on our watch pellets pellets
00:47:46So it's a trap well not so much a trap more like we're trying to contain him
00:47:52So then we can liberate him amongst his own peeps
00:47:57Okay
00:47:58Think I can get on board with this
00:48:01and now
00:48:03We just wait and see
00:48:05In the meantime, I have something to show you
00:48:09really
00:48:11Okay, okay. Okay to the desk. Okay, and have a seat
00:48:17right
00:48:23That is so impressive
00:48:25Traded some root beer to a roadie for Aerosmith a minute of swap me because I was actually a really big deal
00:48:29That sounds on brand so you got me thinking when you said that we hadn't been listening
00:48:35To each other and I realized that we hadn't been listening to the recording of Laurel's murder. I mean sure we've been hearing it
00:48:42But we hadn't been listening
00:48:44This episode is like no other as I will finally reveal the truth behind the Rocksdale killer
00:49:00Whoa, whoa, did you hear that noise the thing did it right before the footstep? Yeah, it was like a like a squeak
00:49:05It was more like a like a wheeze
00:49:07Who do we know that wheezes?
00:49:09Perhaps a certain podcaster who carries an inhaler
00:49:13wind tress
00:49:16You know what this means it's allergy season we're gonna have to do some yoga
00:49:25Hmm
00:49:39I
00:49:48Told you to dress accordingly
00:49:50This isn't the semi-finals at Wimbledon in 1978. You said hot yoga. Well, you got thighs like this do people want to see him?
00:50:00Fine I'm keeping the socks on. Okay, fine. Just please don't get hurt. Okay, it's gonna get really hot in here
00:50:06And you can slip I mean yoga could get dangerous
00:50:09It's stretching. I think I'm gonna be okay. Oh
00:50:15Babe here she is
00:50:22Find your center
00:50:27And now let's flow
00:50:39Are you okay? Yeah beautiful and release
00:50:48We will now go into flow and get into the garland pose
00:51:01You can't be serious right now
00:51:04You tell them again to fix it
00:51:09Don't care have been printed again
00:51:13What is the point of paying people when I have to do it all myself
00:51:27Fire is f-y-r-e
00:51:38May
00:51:41The healing light of the white fire be with you, babe, babe, are you okay?
00:51:48You're gonna surprisingly dangerous. I
00:51:52Mean she's got serious rage issues and her wheeze sounds just like that hissy squeaky sound on the recording like
00:52:02Yeah, we heard it on the tape just after Laurel's murder, but I think it's more of like a squeak wheeze like
00:52:08Oh, yeah, yeah, I know that's good. That's good, but it's a little bit more Fleming, right? It was like
00:52:20Whatever that is. Thank you. It wasn't Wintrys
00:52:23What?
00:52:25How those aren't for you?
00:52:28Wintrys was in the hospital with an asthma attack doctors and security footage corroborate your story
00:52:33Suppose that does sound like a pretty airtight alibi and could go back to you guys doing a yoga class on police business
00:52:39It's just kind of funny because I thought I asked you to sift through the audio outtakes. I
00:52:43Need you to to listen to me. Yes, sir, Tom Tom
00:52:49What are those Laurel's mail, I mean you guys have so much time on your hands feel free
00:52:55No
00:52:56And why your legs so pale?
00:52:58At least I'm not sitting around a desk all day
00:53:01Where's that? You think I do? Huh? Talk about your hunches or why things don't add up tell people I'll look into that
00:53:08I don't say that. So Wintrys is out where we at with Maxwell Kovac
00:53:13We might have got a little distracted with the Wintrys theory
00:53:16Yeah, but you know what?
00:53:17I am going to look at Laurel's previous articles to see if she mentioned him right when we leave here. Okay, and
00:53:24Since you're here
00:53:26Look at this
00:53:27Medical examiner report for Laurel's death gunshot wound. She had stage four adenocarcinoma
00:53:33And her pancreas and lungs. Yeah, so if the gunshot doesn't get her
00:53:38Cancer does in the next two three months
00:53:40Well, that might explain the spiritual awakening that Peter mentioned. Oh that reminds me
00:53:45Can you see if your records have any mention of the Rocksdale killer leaving notes behind?
00:53:49For some reason I cannot find any mention of them in the victim files. Sure thing. I'll look into that. Aha
00:53:55So you do say that?
00:53:58We'll see ourselves out. I
00:54:00Had a hunch
00:54:04Well, I guess we can take Wintrys off the board
00:54:09Okay, I've assembled the brain trust gentlemen and lady
00:54:13Where do we start Maxwell Kovac? Okay, I'll start in the past you start in the present where I left off the other night
00:54:19Where does he live? Where does he work? Where does he and I will see what Laurel said about him in her articles on it
00:54:26How many Maxwell Kovacs can there be it's not that common a name, is it?
00:54:30Here's something and one of Laurel's early articles about the Rocksdale killer. She talks about the mayor
00:54:36Assembling a task force to investigate the mayor said we understand the public's fear and are taking this case very seriously
00:54:44Well, nothing scares the public more than a serial killer on the loose. Nope
00:54:49And here's something else a few weeks after that Laurel wrote another article about missing evidence
00:54:55She says that officer Kovac botched the investigation. She calls him out by name
00:55:00You guys hearing this the plot thickens. Okay, so a few weeks after that
00:55:06Officer Maxwell Kovac is let go from the police department
00:55:11Well, I'd say that's a pretty good reason for someone to hold a grudge against Laurel that goes
00:55:17Yep
00:55:19Welcome to the murder board officer Kovac. Okay. Boom. Here we go. Got it
00:55:25Maxwell Kovac. All right, there's three of them in our area, but only one of them fits the age range and he lives
00:55:32the Hampton Hills
00:55:34Assisted living a community to live your fullest life. Check out the events calendar
00:55:40Sit and stretch with Brittany party on salsa dancing with Vanessa Ramos
00:55:47Yeah, I have an idea
00:55:50What
00:55:53Bingo
00:55:55Hi Vanessa, yeah, this is Cara Macomba. I'm the assistant activities director here at Hampton Hills
00:56:03Unfortunately, we're gonna have to cancel salsa class tomorrow. Mm-hmm due to a leak on the dance floor. I know I'm so sorry about that
00:56:11Okay. Goodbye, dear
00:56:13Okay, I have no idea what you're cooking up. I am loving it. Oh you just wait
00:56:20Hi, yes, this is Vanessa Ramos, unfortunately, I'm not gonna be able to come and teach salsa class tomorrow
00:56:26But I do have a replacement. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. She's a wonderful teacher. She actually teaches with her husband
00:56:32Yes, their names are Bertie and Alden case great. Sounds good. They'll be there. Bye. Bye
00:56:40Time to put on your dancing shoes
00:56:49I
00:57:00Am Bertie
00:57:03Gus and we are here to teach the salsa class
00:57:08Yes
00:57:09Hello, please sign it
00:57:12MuchÃsimas gracias
00:57:15Oh
00:57:25Amigos buenas tardes. We are here to teach the salsa class
00:57:32So who is ready to dance? Oh
00:57:36Yes, yes, okay now we start by picking a partner
00:57:45We start with basic step just we go slow follow or they go
00:57:50Right left together movie and left right together. Very good, right left together
00:57:56You're doing pretty good left together. He weeks go a little faster
00:58:00Okay, but only a little faster and remember to swivel the hips
00:58:04Okay, salsa is all about the heat a lot of sweet
00:58:09The music
00:58:15Yes, everybody feeling it
00:58:20Okay, sometimes we dance a solo she's very passionate
00:58:27I might have gotten carried away. We gotta get out of here, right? So what do we do?
00:58:36Back conga
00:58:38That's right
00:58:43So I think what I saw next look bad, oh, this is so fun. Oh my yes
00:58:49Yes, keep it going. Keep it going. Don't worry
00:58:57Okay
00:59:09Where did you learn to dance like that my high school spirit dance team? Oh
00:59:15Okay, all right, so it should be this floor
00:59:18I
00:59:20I
00:59:23I
00:59:33Maxwell Kovac
00:59:35Is it Halloween already actually we're investigating the murder of Laurel st. James. We were hoping we could ask you a few questions
00:59:42Come in
00:59:43sit down I
00:59:46I
00:59:48Hope you guys catch whoever killed her. Oh, yeah. Why is that so I can thank him?
00:59:52Woman ruined my life. Was it you I
00:59:55Don't get around much anymore
00:59:58Well, if you didn't kill her, what do you think happened to her? I think she got what was coming to her
01:00:03Lifetime of stoke in the flames of fear and murder was bound to turn out badly
01:00:07You think the Rocksdale killer is back. I think you guys are chasing a ghost. So you're saying
01:00:13The evidence doesn't match the narrative the Rocksdale case it never did
01:00:17It was a series of murders that we were investigating that was going cold. Next thing. You know, there's a
01:00:23Article in the paper was some serial killer being on the loose written by oral
01:00:28So wait
01:00:29You're saying that
01:00:30Laurel was the first person to say that this was the work of a serial killer and not the police
01:00:35Bingo, we only investigated those murders being linked because of her articles
01:00:39Seemed like Laurel knew everything about the murders and then some
01:00:45Claim she had some anonymous sources. So I reached out to her asking for some help off the record
01:00:51And I was so naive next thing, you know evidence goes missing
01:00:55She's published an article saying that we bungled the investigation. Wait, you're saying Laurel stole evidence
01:01:02I couldn't prove it. But now I know she's told how do you know that?
01:01:06Because she came here two weeks ago to apologize for it
01:01:10Apologizing she made some big song and dance about how she wanted to make amends
01:01:15What do you think she did with the evidence? I guess as good as mine
01:01:27Well, I think you're in your Rita, babe, do you want turkey or ham both please? Of course?
01:01:36No
01:01:38Still no mouse. Oh just give him time time to chew his way through everything I own. Oh
01:01:49Come on
01:01:51Crossword, ah
01:01:53Cinnamon buns my slippers the crossword, you know, it's starting to feel personal at this point
01:01:57And
01:02:04Why are your legs so pale at least we do something other than sit around a desk all day
01:02:10Where does it you think I do?
01:02:12Talk about hunches why things don't add up
01:02:18Hey, I
01:02:23Think our furry friend just gave us a tip
01:02:28I
01:02:31Just like this always give me the creeps this makes sense
01:02:34Of course, Laura would have hidden evidence outside of her own home 19. Here we are. Ah
01:02:42Should grab the bolt cutters. I might need to add those to the PI car kit. We have a PI car kit
01:02:46That's mostly just snacks at this point, which reminds me. I have to replenish the snacks. I got this one
01:02:53Mama's got a new bag of tricks. Whoa
01:02:56Are you
01:02:58Okay, so this
01:03:00Looks like a job for the rate pick
01:03:04All I gotta do
01:03:06Is rake it
01:03:09This I have never been more attracted to you that I am at this very I think one of us should know how to pick
01:03:14Locks, don't you think absolutely clearly you got it covered
01:03:22It worked
01:03:25Okay, let's see what we got
01:03:32Whoa, I thought our basement was messy
01:03:38Lampshade anyone? Oh, I'll take two. What do we got in here? Oh
01:03:44Hey, yeah, what do you think this is my stuff? Yeah
01:03:49How about this?
01:03:51Should I bring this to your office party next year? Oh, yes. They really bring out your eyes. Are you flirting with me? Maybe
01:04:01Babe hmm boxes
01:04:07Okay, we're personal
01:04:13No way babe, could this be it? Yes, please
01:04:22I'm not go according to plan. What was the plan? I don't know. They do it in movies all the time. It looks cool
01:04:28Okay, so we got fingerprints
01:04:32Cigarette butts pink scarf and
01:04:37Nail clippings wait, none of this was in the case files
01:04:41Laurel definitely stole this evidence
01:04:44They couldn't run DNA on any of this because Laurel completely halted the investigations
01:04:50We have to get all this to Tom
01:05:01Yeah, I mean I'm gonna heal so I can't really go that fast
01:05:06I'll be on lookout. Okay coast is clear
01:05:10Shh
01:05:19Just another date night wouldn't miss it for the world
01:05:28Well, you guys did the right thing bringing the evidence to me it's crazy the storage unit was unlocked
01:05:34Yeah
01:05:36Yeah, what are the chances anyway, we'll get this to the lab and check it for DNA if there's a match
01:05:41We'll find out ASAP. Okay, so this DNA is like 30 years old. Is it still usable?
01:05:44Oh, yeah, even with the trace amounts of DNA. We can track people through their family fingers crossed. You know what?
01:05:50We've been going back through all the TRK files
01:05:53There's absolutely nothing that links these cases aside from all homicides happening near Rocksteel State Park
01:05:58Oh benefits of fresh eyes on a cold case. Thanks. I went through the chain of evidence
01:06:04No notes were left at any of the crime scenes despite Laurel stories Maxwell Kovac was right there was never a serial killer. So Laurel
01:06:12Fabricated the Rocksteel killer
01:06:14How is it possible? She got away with it all this time. You tell a lie enough times people will believe it
01:06:19Okay, but none of this answers who killed Laurel. Well, whoever did kill Laurel certainly wants us to think was a Rocksteel killer
01:06:25Huh?
01:06:26Okay. Well
01:06:27throughout this investigation
01:06:30We have learned that Laurel
01:06:33Didn't exactly have a lot of friends from the people at the podcast studio and Maxwell Kovac and her ex-husband
01:06:39Laurel had a lot of enemies
01:06:41But who had enough motive to kill her I'd say inventing a serial killer and perpetuating that lie for 30 years presents way bigger
01:06:47Opportunities for motive than some vendetta about stealing someone's yogurt. Yes. Yes
01:06:52Maybe her making up the Rocksteel killer is why she was murdered. Oh, that's an interesting theory. We still got to prove it
01:07:00Oh guys if the Rocksteel killer is fake we got to tell Kristen, hmm, right. Oh
01:07:10It's not that kind of intruder I got this
01:07:16You're just gonna let her go alone absolutely
01:07:29I
01:07:45Get it. Yeah, I I saw me was
01:07:51Well, yeah, babe, I saw him and he saw me it's horrifying right the claws
01:07:59Fangs no. No, he means us. No harm. I mean, I'm not saying that he spoke to me, but I
01:08:04Really feel like we have an understanding
01:08:07What?
01:08:08Yeah, okay on that note. I'm gonna get going. I'll see you guys in the morning
01:08:14This is not gonna be fun
01:08:17Hey tomorrow you just be the supportive boyfriend, okay, I'll handle the hard part and tell her okay
01:08:29Oh
01:08:31That's right where the mouse was
01:08:37She made up the Rocksteel killer
01:08:40With the whole thing. Well, the murders are real, but they're not connected
01:08:46My floral was alive should be charged with multiple felonies for
01:08:50impeding investigation
01:08:51theft
01:08:53Did you know she was sick? No, I I had no idea
01:08:57I'm gonna have to call my lawyer. I'm gonna have to print a retraction. I don't know how I'm gonna recover from this
01:09:04I can't believe that she would do this. She always said how much integrity was important to her
01:09:10and now I am
01:09:12I'm so sorry. I think I'm gonna have to go work
01:09:14It's okay. You do what you got to do. Call me if you need anything. Okay, hang in there. Thank you
01:09:20I'll check in with you later
01:09:27You
01:09:38Guys are gonna hate me
01:09:41Did you buy that harpoon? No
01:09:45Technically you bought one. I think we need to put Kristen on the board. What? Whoa, dude
01:09:49She was with us the night of the murder. She was with us earlier that evening
01:09:52I just I think we need to look into her more. She potentially had motive if she knew about Laurel's lie
01:09:57Okay
01:09:57Before we go down this road
01:09:58Have you two at least gone through the hard drive with all of her audio recordings from the studio some and I scrubbed through it
01:10:04Scrubbed through it. Well, it's like a million hours of her eating crackers and outtakes stuff
01:10:08Okay, before I bring my girlfriend in for questioning you need to go through the audio with a fine-toothed comb. No scrubbing
01:10:14You're right. And that is exactly what we're gonna do before we jump to conclusions
01:10:20Conclusions immediately, okay
01:10:29When police quested no
01:10:31When police questioned her neighbor
01:10:34On what am I talking about?
01:10:36The community muttered through no communities. Don't thank you. I need this so badly
01:10:42My ears are about to fall off. Well, if this thing doesn't catch that little vermin, I don't know what will by the way
01:10:50I appreciate your patience with my nerdiness
01:10:52All in. Rocksdale State Park is a historic 72 acre park that is home to many varieties of wildlife and fauna
01:11:01No, you can put that right there
01:11:05Thanks Katie
01:11:07Did you hear that? Oh, I heard it. Wait, wait, what was that sound? Play that again? Yeah
01:11:14No, you can put that right there
01:11:17Okay, thanks Katie that was it that was a sound okay now now play the murder recording
01:11:27You see fate was a cruel master
01:11:30for the victims of these
01:11:32Senseless crimes this episode is like no other as I will finally reveal the truth
01:11:39behind the Rocksdale killer
01:11:42I
01:11:46Mean that's it. That's the same sound and she clearly identifies the killer. She says Katie. It was Katie
01:11:52It was Katie. It was Katie was right in front of us the whole time. It was Katie. I can't believe it
01:11:56We just solved Laurel's murder
01:12:01Okay, here call some of the audio file, yeah
01:12:11I
01:12:19Are you doing this to me? We sent you an audio file. We know who killed Laurel
01:12:24Okay. All right
01:12:26Okay, I'm up. What do you got? Okay, you were right
01:12:28We listen to hours and hours of outtakes and the raw footage from Laurel's podcast and this is what we found
01:12:33Yeah, so you can put that right there
01:12:38Thanks Katie, that's the sound
01:12:41And she says, thanks Katie. I know it all makes sense
01:12:45Katie had a weak alibi she faked an attack and with Laurel gone. She would get to carry the Rocksdale killer baton
01:12:51Yeah, and Laurel already proved it's a lucrative business. I mean is that enough motive to kill somebody?
01:12:55Oh, I've seen people kill for far less than a podcast like what not answering that
01:13:01well, I can't believe I'm saying this but
01:13:04Great work you two
01:13:07Okay, so what now throw on a SWAT vest roll out the cruiser I got a grappling hook he hung up
01:13:22Katie Hiller
01:13:23You're under arrest for the murder of Laurel st. James. What that's crazy. I didn't kill Laurel
01:13:29You have the right to remain silent anything you say can and will be held against you in the court of law
01:13:36I
01:13:38Solved another one
01:13:40Yeah, I don't know something doesn't feel right about this. What do you mean?
01:13:46You heard the recording. She literally said Katie Katie had motive and Katie had opportunity I guess
01:13:54Babe, don't guess it's like we learned in class. We have to follow the evidence. Okay, whatever
01:13:59Narrative you've convinced yourself of is not based on the hard facts and evidence
01:14:06You're right, probably just tired two for two
01:14:19To a closed case to catching a bad guy
01:14:23I'm actually still on the clock. So
01:14:26But I do have good news. Oh, it's about time. We found DNA on the three items you got from Laurel storage unit
01:14:31We're running to code us right now. Oh, it's fantastic
01:14:34So now that Laurel's murderer is behind bars, what's next? Oh, we are still on another case. Oh
01:14:41The goat cheese you're gonna love it Wow
01:14:47Yes, Tommy ever
01:14:49Never wrap up a case still feel like something's bugging you. Yeah, but I've learned to take the win
01:14:57Hey
01:14:58You solved it
01:15:00Katie's the killer
01:15:01Look, they always say they're innocent initially, right?
01:15:06Initially what
01:15:10You just said initially, yeah
01:15:29It was you
01:15:32It was Kristen who killed Laurel Alden, whoa, dude, not cool. Yeah, this is not how we keep friends
01:15:38I shouldn't trust in my gut. Why didn't I trust my gut?
01:15:40My gut is always right except when it comes to dairy the audio clearly said Katie. No, she didn't say thank you Katie
01:15:46She said thank you KD as in Kristen
01:15:51Duckburn, okay. I saw the inscription that she wrote you in her book. She used your initials
01:15:58KD
01:16:00Babe she's got Laurel st. James's book. Oh, it's signed nice
01:16:08You were with me at my house that night I I couldn't have done it
01:16:12Yeah, we were but the murder didn't happen till later. We were long gone by then. Yeah. Yeah, wait, this makes sense
01:16:19You must have already known that Laurel made up the Rocksdale killer before we told you and if the truth came out
01:16:26Your business would be completely ruined and if Laurel made amends with her ex-husband and that and that Maxwell Kovac guy
01:16:31She threw under the bus. I bet she also made amends to the one person she screwed over
01:16:36you
01:16:38Honey, can you please tell them that they're being ridiculous?
01:16:43Actually, I want you to answer it yeah answer the question I'll ask the question Oh like good God bad God no not like
01:16:49You
01:16:51Said it yourself. Hmm. Laurel was the one who lied. She lied to me. She lied to everyone
01:16:58Hey, yeah, I I went to the studio one night to see her
01:17:02She told me that she had terminal cancer and she wanted to clear her conscience
01:17:07She was gonna tell the truth on the last episode. I begged her not to but she didn't listen
01:17:13Okay, calm down
01:17:18What about the the squeaky sound and the recording what was that what it was the keychain
01:17:25It was the rubber duck keychain that gave you away, you know getting inside without anybody seeing me. It was pretty easy. I
01:17:32Knew what Laurel was gonna do, but I could not let her
01:17:35Completely destroy my family's legacy
01:17:38No, but that's not what I wanted to do. I didn't want to destroy my family
01:17:43stupid duck
01:17:48Are you gonna explain shooting all three of us? Yeah, you might get two of us at best dude birdie
01:17:53Haven't you heard?
01:17:54There's a serial killer on the loose
01:17:57Shoot me shoot me shoot me
01:18:12Well, guess what honey you're under arrest for the murder of Laura St. James, I thought we were friends
01:18:21Okay
01:18:27Totally should have been valedictorian
01:18:30We still don't have any good couple friends. Bye. Bye ducky
01:18:36Hey, I
01:18:37Just wanted to say even though you two drive me nuts, you know, especially fair you did good
01:18:43so, thank you and
01:18:47Who knows maybe we'll call you again
01:18:54I
01:18:56Knew we'd get you there
01:18:58So what's next for you? I think I'm gonna focus on work for a while
01:19:04You know, you two were lucky you found each other
01:19:08sure
01:19:12So lucky
01:19:37I
01:19:53See eating
01:19:55Hey, buddy. Thanks for your help back there. You know, I think this makes you an official part of the team
01:20:02He is surprisingly cute, I guess all the stories I made up about this guy were much worse in my head
01:20:10We should name him. Oh, we should
01:20:13What about?
01:20:14Moriarty, I like it a worthy foe
01:20:19Those ears though
01:20:22In today's episode we hear from Alden and birdie case who solved the mystery behind the Rocksdale killer while bringing closure to the victims
01:20:29families, so Laurel
01:20:31Completely fabricated her stories about the Rocksdale killer and in doing so create a total panic around town and in order to keep up
01:20:39those lies she stole vital pieces of evidence stalling police in their investigation and
01:20:45Robbing the victims families of justice until now because of DNA testing
01:20:51Stuart Michael Williams already serving time for domestic battery will be served an additional life sentence for the murder of Alexandra
01:20:58Kolesnikov police found a discarded cigarette
01:21:01But 20 feet away from victim number one Caroline Olmstead it led us to our suspect Lawrence Murphy
01:21:07And what about Monica Ganey's killer? We did find a DNA hit there as well, but that one was bittersweet
01:21:15Unfortunately, her killer died five years ago
01:21:18Sometimes it's easy to forget why we do what we do
01:21:21It's to help people who no longer have a voice
01:21:25And to help Monica Ganey's family have closure
01:21:33Thirty years later
01:21:36It really does make it all worth it
01:21:47Getting along Moriarty you get along with your new buddy. That's a definite. Yes
01:21:55Dare I say
01:21:58Feels like things are starting to get back to normal with us. I think at this point it's pretty clear that you and I
01:22:06Don't do normal
01:22:08You know, it's funny though when we do listen to each other
01:22:11Pretty great things seem to happen
01:22:14exactly
01:22:15We just have to remember that we are a team
01:22:18No matter what and when we are we're unstoppable
01:22:24Whether it's assembling
01:22:27wildly elaborate traps or
01:22:29Solving mysteries or winning
01:22:32Ridiculous sums of money playing poker online
01:22:35By the way, do you think $28,000 could get us a helicopter? Babe? I mean, there's a legitimate business expense. Oh, there's this guy
01:22:42I'm listening. I
01:22:44Hear all your wonderful suggestions and I raise you
01:22:49one kiss
01:22:52I'm willing
01:22:55You
01:23:08Birdie case
01:23:09Formerly known as birdie Perez. Yeah, that's me. What's this about? When was the last time you saw your father my father?
01:23:18My father died when I was six that's not entirely true
01:23:23May we come inside?
01:23:25Please of course
01:23:52You