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00:00Asnad Malik is with us in the Supreme Court.
00:03What is happening in the Supreme Court?
00:05A whole season is going on.
00:07I heard Khair sahib said yesterday in a TV program that he has discussed the matter with the army.
00:13Has anyone contacted the Supreme Court that we are going to make a court, it will be constitutional.
00:18And is this amendment being done for Qazi Faiz Issa sahib?
00:23What is the sense of the court?
00:26This anticipation was there from the beginning.
00:29The decision was made on 12th July.
00:31I think this was one of the reasons.
00:33They were aware of it.
00:35The initial draft was made in the era of Umar Atta Banjad.
00:38And the main thing is how to curtail the power in the judiciary.
00:44Because in the past, we see that Muqtadar Alqa and our courts have been on the same page.
00:49So they encroached the power of the parliament, the power of the executive.
00:55There was no collusion in the era of Iftikhar Chaudhary.
00:58He himself became a power center.
01:01Sometimes there is a collusion, sometimes there is a vacuum.
01:05The Supreme Court covers that vacuum.
01:07It became a powerful institution.
01:09Very powerful, absolutely.
01:11And yesterday I was talking to the people of the Noon League that the judiciary has encroached the power.
01:19Khawaja Asif used to sit in the Supreme Court.
01:21The case of rental power and many other cases.
01:24Nemo Vate.
01:25In 2009-2013, that was the time when you had to strengthen the parliament.
01:31Will the Noon League apologize for that?
01:33And I think the People's Party is also in the same situation.
01:37Now the problem is that the judiciary does not want to be agenda driven.
01:41Either it is pro-PTA judiciary or pro-Noon or pro-establishment.
01:46These six judges have written a letter.
01:48You will know when you come.
01:50I want to apologize.
01:51We always hear that this judge is a revolutionary judge.
01:54He will fix everything.
01:56No, but Kashif bhai.
01:58How long have you been watching?
01:59The six judges of the Islamabad High Court have written a letter.
02:01Which of those judges do you think has an affiliation with the PTA?
02:05None.
02:06Whoever you see, like Babar Sattar.
02:08They are against it.
02:09So you can guess why they are being opposed.
02:12But what do you think is the sense in the Supreme Court?
02:14I am asking because most of the things are about the Supreme Court and the authority of the courts in this country.
02:22What is going on there?
02:24In the Supreme Court, the majority judges have two challenges.
02:27One is the internal challenge.
02:29They don't know what Chief Justice Qazi Faisal is thinking.
02:32In the present time.
02:33We have seen that whenever the senatory principle was not followed in the past,
02:39a letter from Qazi Faisal would come.
02:41It's been four days.
02:42Call a full court meeting.
02:44Qazi Faisal's role is the head.
02:46The question is whether you want to end the powers of the Supreme Court or not.
02:49You should sit with your friends and have a full court meeting in the Supreme Court.
02:53And discuss this issue.
02:55But the judges are not in Pakistan.
02:58What can I do?
02:59No, look.
03:00Do as many as there are.
03:02No, all the judges are available.
03:04All are available.
03:05All the judges are available.
03:07Do they realize that when the Constitutional Court will be formed,
03:10which is the second Supreme Court,
03:11it will be a glorified Session Court.
03:13In which cases will come.
03:15Murder.
03:16Arrest.
03:17Arrest.
03:18It will remain as a Session Court.
03:21Absolutely.
03:22And it seems that these judges will become OSB.
03:24And the judges above them will be retired.
03:28And they will be appointed by the government.
03:30So you can use this as an excuse.
03:33When the government will appoint Independent Jurisprudence,
03:36what will be left?
03:37Your judge and my judge.
03:38Yes.
03:39In those judges,
03:40they will be in the majority in the Supreme Judicial Council.
03:42Apart from this, they will be in the majority in the Judicial Commission.
03:46The judges have to be sent from one province to another.
03:49High Court judges.
03:50Yes.
03:51I mean, the six judges who wrote the letter.
03:53If the six judges who wrote the letter get this power,
03:56then you will have to torture these six judges all over Pakistan.
03:59Pakistan.
04:00Yes.
04:01Okay, we will send them to Pakistan.
04:02Punjab.
04:03Punjab has 60 judges in the High Court.
04:05Punjab has 60 judges in the High Court.
04:06You know that.
04:07If this happens, then this will happen.
04:08Lies.
04:09You understand, right?
04:10Brother Kashi, this amendment was also there before.
04:12In the 18th amendment, it was omitted.
04:14That you cannot send a judge without consent.
04:16Now it has been added again.
04:18Tell me, what is the role of Munir-e-Malik?
04:20He and many people are talking about a movement.
04:23Yes.
04:24I heard, he said yesterday that I,
04:26this was my program.
04:27We were talking.
04:28He said that Qazi Faisal Sahib will be with us
04:31if we run this movement.
04:34I think that the way it is coming from him,
04:37that he wants Qazi Faisal to isolate himself from the current situation.
04:42And the information is that 16 retired judges have also contacted him.
04:45Qazi Sahib?
04:46No, Munir-e-Malik Sahib.
04:48That we should go to the petition.
04:50We should pre-empt.
04:51There are such examples in the past,
04:53that before the extra constitutional step,
04:55the Supreme Court passed an order for restraining.
04:57So when this.
04:58It was also passed in the backlash and procedure.
05:00You see, what is the situation in this?
05:01If this amendment is made on that day.
05:03If the Supreme Court takes up this matter on Monday,
05:06then Attorney General says that you do not have that power.
05:08Now the Constitutional Court will be made.
05:10Those things are valid.
05:12You do not have that power.
05:14So I think that judges should at least have a full court meeting.
05:17And whatever has to be done.
05:19But there is hush silence.
05:21There is silence.
05:22This is such an internal rift.
05:24There is mistrust.
05:25This is an internal division.
05:26Too much.
05:27Because of which the problem is coming.
05:28Even our judges gave clarification.
05:30The way it is being leaked and embarrassed by the Supreme Court.
05:34That is in front of you.
05:36Sir, 70,000 cases are said to be pending in the Supreme Court.
05:40In that, the case of constitutional matters.
05:42It is hardly 186, 187.
05:44For 186, 187 cases.
05:48By making a separate constitutional court.
05:50Retired judges.
05:51Judges of the serving Supreme Court.
05:53They are supporting it.
05:54They have made us crazy.
05:55Sir, and you people.
05:56Did not you say this?
05:57And there was a lack of democracy.
05:59Did you tell the government that you will do it?
06:01Not at all.
06:02We will support you in December.
06:03Harsh opposition.
06:04Harsh opposition.
06:05So Mr. Khaya is saying what you are saying.
06:06Mr. Khaya is saying wrong.
06:07And he is doing it wrongly.
06:08One thing.
06:09You mentioned the Charter of Democracy.
06:10The Charter of Democracy.
06:11They are saying it again and again.
06:12They were doing it yesterday as well.
06:13The Charter of Democracy.
06:14Which is related to civil and military relations.
06:15And the rest of the terms.
06:16Of course.
06:17They are not even joking, sir.
06:18All those who are saying.
06:19There is a sign of free politicians.
06:20Then read it a little below.
06:21What else is there to sign?
06:22Do it all then.
06:23Tell me this.
06:24Quickly, sir.
06:25Is this a thought?
06:26Is this wrong?
06:27Or is it right?
06:28What do you think?
06:29What do you hear from Bukla?
06:30Tell me in one line.
06:31Is this wrong?
06:32This is absolutely wrong.
06:33This is not a different opinion.
06:34The way it is happening.
06:35That there will be retired judges in the Constitutional Court.
06:36Should there be a Constitutional Court?
06:37I don't think so.
06:38What do other people think?
06:39Other people are in front of you.
06:40Everyone is saying that it should not happen.
06:41Take a break.
06:42That it should not happen.
06:43This is the thought.
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