Dewan Perwakilan Rakyat telah resmi mengesahkan Rancangan Undang-Undang (RUU) tentang Kementerian Negara.
Salah satu klausul yang diubah adalah soal jumlah kementerian yang dapat dibentuk oleh presiden yang akan datang. Di dalam UU Nomor 39 Tahun 2008 tentang Kementerian Negara, sebelumnya diatur bahwa jumlah kementerian yang dapat dibentuk presiden maksimal 34. Ketentuan ini diatur dalam Pasal 15 beleid tersebut. Adapun dalam beleid baru, Pasal 15 tidak lagi membatasi presiden dalam membentuk kementerian yang diperlukan untuk menyelenggarakan pemerintahan.
Dengan perubahan tersebut, presiden terpilih Prabowo Subianto memiliki keleluasaan untuk menambah jumlah kementerian sesuai keinginannya. Kabinet Prabowo Subianto ditengarai bakal lebih gemuk dari kabinet Presiden Jokowi. Sejumlah narasumber yang mengetahui pembahasan nomenklatur kementerian mengatakan Prabowo mungkin akan memiliki 44 anak buah di kabinet. Jumlah itu melonjak dibanding 34 kementerian pada masa Jokowi.
Salah satu klausul yang diubah adalah soal jumlah kementerian yang dapat dibentuk oleh presiden yang akan datang. Di dalam UU Nomor 39 Tahun 2008 tentang Kementerian Negara, sebelumnya diatur bahwa jumlah kementerian yang dapat dibentuk presiden maksimal 34. Ketentuan ini diatur dalam Pasal 15 beleid tersebut. Adapun dalam beleid baru, Pasal 15 tidak lagi membatasi presiden dalam membentuk kementerian yang diperlukan untuk menyelenggarakan pemerintahan.
Dengan perubahan tersebut, presiden terpilih Prabowo Subianto memiliki keleluasaan untuk menambah jumlah kementerian sesuai keinginannya. Kabinet Prabowo Subianto ditengarai bakal lebih gemuk dari kabinet Presiden Jokowi. Sejumlah narasumber yang mengetahui pembahasan nomenklatur kementerian mengatakan Prabowo mungkin akan memiliki 44 anak buah di kabinet. Jumlah itu melonjak dibanding 34 kementerian pada masa Jokowi.
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00:00The programme you are watching is a work of fiction. Any resemblance to anyone, living or dead, is coincidental and unintentional.
00:20Hello viewers, how are you today?
00:22I'm Prasetyo Ibowo from ID External Jakarta.
00:26Welcome back to Market Review, a programme that discusses the economic movement of Indonesia.
00:31This time, we will discuss a topic related to the establishment of a bigger cabinet when the government comes,
00:37Prabu Subianto and Gibran.
00:39What is it like? How effective is it?
00:41With the budget used for the operation of the additional ministries,
00:46let's start the complete Market Review.
00:52Market Review
00:58Yes, in the middle of the issue of Prabu Gibran's cabinet,
01:02the chairman of the DPP party, Gerindra Soefi Dasko Ahmad,
01:05ensured that the number of ministries in Prabu Gibran's government is still uncertain.
01:10The certainty of the nomenclature or the ministerial figure will be decided before the end of training on October 20, 2024.
01:19In the middle of the issue of Prabu Gibran's cabinet,
01:25the chairman of the DPP party, Gerindra Soefi Dasko Ahmad,
01:30ensured that the number of ministries in Prabu Gibran's government is still uncertain.
01:35According to Dasko, the certainty of the nomenclature or the ministerial figure will be decided
01:40a week or five days before the end of training on October 20, 2024.
01:45As for the number of ministries, until now we are still simulating
01:50that the addition of ministries is to optimize the ministries' tasks
01:57in our framework, it meets the campaign promise
02:01which is then on our agenda, the program and the action program
02:07which was done yesterday at the time of the campaign.
02:11As for the number, some say 44, some say 45, some say 80,
02:17we are still simulating the nomenclature or the ministerial figure
02:25will be finalized on July 7 or July 5.
02:31Dasko also has not been able to ensure that the addition of the number of ministries
02:34will be done by splitting existing ministries or adding new ministries
02:38as well as the presentation of the composition of ministers from political parties and professionals.
02:42From Jakarta, Heru Tri Yuni Arto, IDX Channel.
02:51Next, we will present data related to the comparison of the Pasca Obrat Cabinet.
02:56Let's see what Pasca Obrat looks like.
02:58Some comparisons, we see the first one,
03:00this is the cabinet of President B.J. Habibie,
03:04there are 39 ministries, as you can see,
03:08compared to the new Pasca Obrat Cabinet.
03:11Then the cabinet of President A.H. Abdurrahman Wahid
03:16with the tagline of national unity, there are 37 cabinets.
03:20Then the cabinet of Megawati Sukarno Putri, 33 ministries.
03:24Then President SBY, 36 ministries.
03:29On average, there are still about 33 to 39 ministries.
03:36Next, we will look at President Susilo Mamang Yudhoyono,
03:42there were 36, then Joko Widodo himself, 34 ministries.
03:46And this is still going on until now.
03:49And there is a speech, President-elect Prabowo Subianto
03:53will form more than 40 ministries.
03:56Even though it has been announced,
03:58it is still being shaken up,
04:00to be able to smoothen, then optimize
04:04new government programs or policies.
04:10Those are some updates,
04:12comparisons of the number of ministries
04:15from several presidents in Indonesia.
04:20To discuss this topic,
04:23we have connected via Zoom
04:26with Mr. Ahmad Akbar Susanto.
04:31Good morning, Mr. Akbar.
04:33Good morning, sir.
04:35Mr. Akbar, Director of the Indonesian State Court
04:37and has also joined Mr. Terubus Rahadian,
04:39Chairperson of the Indonesian Public Policy Forum.
04:43Hello, good morning, Mr. Terubus.
04:45Good morning, sir.
04:47How are you, sir?
04:48I'm fine, thank God.
04:50Thank you for your time.
04:52We will immediately review, Mr. Terubus,
04:54from the eyes of the Indonesian Public Policy Forum,
04:57regarding the speech on the formation of a fatter cabinet,
05:01when President-elect Prabowo Subianto is elected.
05:05Please.
05:06Yes, in terms of public policy,
05:09of course, the addition of the cabinet to be fat
05:12is in accordance with the APBN.
05:16As long as it does not violate the APBN,
05:19of course, in this case,
05:21I think it's okay.
05:23In other words, it gives a bigger space
05:26in the context of public service.
05:29So, with the presence of many ministries and institutions,
05:33for example, up to 44 later,
05:35it will focus on public service
05:39which is more of a priority.
05:41Something like that, sir.
05:42Secondly, I see that if, for example,
05:45there is a division of ministries,
05:47which will have one, for example,
05:49the Ministry of Justice.
05:51It will be divided into
05:53the Ministry of Justice,
05:55the Central Basic Ministry,
05:56then the Second Ministry of Culture,
05:59and the third is the Ministry of Justice.
06:04That means there will be three.
06:07As long as it does not interfere with the APBN
06:10and focuses on each of these,
06:13the service will be better.
06:15That is what we hope.
06:16In the sense that the public sees that it is the best.
06:19For example, the relationship with the Central Basic Ministry,
06:21education for 9-year-olds,
06:23then the relationship with education for children in 3T,
06:27the outermost, front and isolated areas,
06:30are handled well,
06:31including teachers,
06:33including honorary teachers
06:35who then get attention.
06:37This is also included in the matter of
06:41higher education.
06:43There are many high needs
06:45that are private and
06:47there are more public schools.
06:49Private, but the budget for public schools is much larger
06:52than the public schools themselves.
06:55For example, Mamadiah has a school
06:57that is about 107 months or more.
06:59But the government of the country
07:01has only about 180 public schools.
07:03But the budget is larger than the country's public schools.
07:06So, I think this is more
07:08focused there.
07:10Okay, it's more focused like that, right?
07:13Yes, it's more focused like that.
07:16There are other ministries,
07:18for example, PUPR
07:20will be separated from the Ministry of PU
07:22and the People's Housing.
07:24This is automatically focused on the development of the People's Housing
07:26which is needed very much
07:28by the public right now,
07:30especially affordable housing.
07:32It will be able to exist.
07:35We hope it will be like that
07:37and we will get a better house.
07:39And in this matter,
07:41the PU infrastructure is also
07:43more focused on
07:45infrastructure related to
07:47not only PSN,
07:49but also the infrastructure
07:51in the regional centers,
07:53especially in the city districts,
07:55it can be achieved well.
07:57There are also other ministries
07:59that will also be separated later.
08:01For example, the Ministry of Finance
08:03will be forgotten to be
08:05a state government.
08:07It will be like that later.
08:09There will also be a ministry
08:11related to the Ministry of Finance
08:13and so on. It will be made
08:15one. For example, it's also good like that.
08:17In the end, everything will depend
08:19on the president, of course, but
08:21the problem for the public is how to serve.
08:23And secondly, don't let the policy
08:25collapse. That's the most important thing.
08:27Because all this time, for example,
08:29food management is handled by three agencies.
08:31Four agencies. For example, the Ministry of Agriculture,
08:33the Ministry of Agriculture,
08:35the Ministry of Agriculture,
08:37the Ministry of National Food,
08:39and the fourth one is the National Food Agency.
08:41This is all about food,
08:43so how will it be later?
08:45Don't let the policy collapse.
08:47Okay, don't let the policy collapse
08:49as outlined by
08:51Pak Terpus, then don't burden
08:53APBN. Okay, let's just go
08:55to Mas Akbar Susanto,
08:57Director of State Corp Indonesia.
08:59So how? From an economic point of view,
09:01there is an increase in the number
09:03of ministries, even though
09:05for example, from Pak Terpus'
09:07glasses, there are several ministries
09:09that have been split so that it is more focused.
09:11There is the Ministry of Public Works, then
09:13the Ministry of Housing, then the Ministry of Land,
09:15which has also been split again. There is also the Ministry of Finance
09:17that will be split, even though this is still
09:19a subject of public discussion
09:21as far as this is concerned. Please,
09:23Mas Akbar.
09:25Okay, thank you. So I agree
09:27with Pak Terpus that there is no
09:29specific number of ministries.
09:31There is no specific number of ministries.
09:33There is no specific formula.
09:35Therefore, it is up to the President.
09:37It depends on the needs
09:39and capabilities.
09:41But there are a few things
09:43that need to be considered. First,
09:45that the increase
09:47in the number of ministries, for example,
09:49can accommodate more specific needs.
09:51To meet more specific needs.
09:53That's okay.
09:55But of course there is a problem.
09:57The problem is
09:59the coordination may be more complicated,
10:01the effectiveness of the policy may be more complicated
10:03than before.
10:05The budget may be heavier.
10:07Imagine, in our tradition,
10:09a minister is not just a minister's salary,
10:11not just a minister's salary,
10:13not just a minister's salary,
10:15but there will definitely be responsibilities below it,
10:17including, for example, small things related to
10:19the facilities they get, including
10:21the duties of ministerial supervisors,
10:23which I think will increase the burden of the state.
10:25That should be taken into consideration.
10:27But beyond all of that,
10:29I think, beyond the budget,
10:31it is almost certain that it will increase.
10:33But another thing that needs to be considered
10:35is this.
10:37Although there is no fixed number
10:39of ministries,
10:41the tendency now is that the increase
10:43in ministries is more to accommodate
10:45the needs of people
10:47who want to be ministers,
10:49or groups of people who want to be ministers.
10:51I think it should be considered.
10:53So that everyone is happy,
10:55everyone is happy,
10:57then add to the ministries.
10:59Make it a lot of ministries.
11:01Each party, for example,
11:03will get a lot,
11:05or groups of people will get a lot.
11:07I think that should be taken into consideration.
11:09And if that is the motivation,
11:11if you are not careful,
11:13I think it will be more burdensome
11:15than the positive things.
11:17That's it.
11:19It really needs a deep study.
11:21We will discuss in the next segment.
11:23We will be back in a moment.
11:25Make sure you are still with us.
11:51President Joko Widodo
11:53supports President-elect
11:55Prabowo Subianto's plan
11:57to form a second cabinet in the government
11:59only next October.
12:01Joko Widodo says the idea is very good
12:03because all ministries
12:05will help the efficiency of government work.
12:07Meanwhile,
12:09regarding the number of ministries
12:11with more potential in Prabowo's government,
12:13Joko Widodo believes that this matter
12:15is the right of the President-elect.
12:21I think it is very good.
12:23It means that the working cabinet
12:25after being appointed
12:27will immediately
12:29work
12:31and will not
12:33waste time
12:35on unnecessary things.
12:37I think it is very good.
12:39I think the cabinet is very good.
12:45We will continue
12:47the discussion with
12:49President-elect Joko Widodo
12:51in the next segment.
12:57Mr. Akbar,
12:59what do you think
13:01about the government's support
13:03to form a second cabinet?
13:05What do you think?
13:07How professional
13:09will they be?
13:11First of all,
13:13the second cabinet
13:15is very important.
13:17It is the first time
13:19that the cabinet was formed.
13:21Of course, we hope it will happen.
13:23Whoever is elected
13:25is a professional
13:27who understands the issue
13:29and is able to work well.
13:31Regarding President Jokowi's statement
13:33to support the cabinet,
13:35I think it is reasonable.
13:37He is the president
13:39who has been involved
13:41in the development of the cabinet.
13:43As a politician,
13:45I think it is reasonable.
13:47What is the potential of the cabinet?
13:49Will the cabinet
13:51be more focused
13:53in the future?
13:59Once again,
14:01when it comes to
14:03focusing on
14:05specific needs,
14:07it is okay.
14:09There is no black and white.
14:11It is more about art.
14:13It is up to the president
14:15how he will organize the cabinet.
14:17But the most important thing
14:19is that the cabinet
14:21will have the opportunity
14:23to add seats
14:25so that more people
14:27can become ministers.
14:29I think that needs to be considered
14:31because it will burden the people
14:33if it is only that.
14:35That's interesting.
14:37What do you think, Patrubus?
14:39The statement has just been delivered
14:41Please, Patrubus.
14:43Yes, the public is not wrong.
14:45There is an assessment
14:47that the impression
14:49is
14:51that there is a division
14:53of the cabinet.
14:55I also see
14:57the recent statement of Parpol
14:59giving up to the president
15:01saying, the important thing is that we get the cabinet.
15:03So, it's up to the president
15:05to place
15:07what we want.
15:09In my opinion,
15:11this is a strong indication
15:13that in the end,
15:15the problem lies
15:17in the division of power
15:19and cabinet.
15:21Because the political party
15:23has a goal to achieve power.
15:25When there is room
15:27to achieve power, they have tried.
15:29But the problem becomes complicated
15:31when all of this
15:33is divided into cabinet.
15:35So, there is no opposition.
15:37Because everything
15:39will be diverse.
15:41There is nothing to criticize.
15:43A nation will advance
15:45when the people
15:47become a kind of democracy
15:49where people have different opinions.
15:51Then, there are values
15:53of kindness.
15:55There is public civility.
15:57So, there are values
15:59that are considered
16:01as a benefit
16:03for the public.
16:05But then, if everything is diverse,
16:07everything is like, amen.
16:11Then, there is nothing
16:13to criticize.
16:15Criticizing means
16:17the world of
16:19academicians.
16:21I am also worried that
16:23this division of power
16:25is also considered
16:27as a way of
16:29accommodating.
16:31The government
16:33places it as a part of
16:35public participation.
16:37This is the danger.
16:39Because it is considered that
16:41they are the representatives
16:43of those who have been fighting
16:45all this time.
16:47Even though,
16:49in the understanding of the cabinet,
16:51I see that
16:53the context is the profession
16:55in the understanding
16:57of the field
16:59that is handled.
17:01For example, technocrats,
17:03academicians,
17:05people who
17:07understand the dynamics
17:09of the public
17:11and their relationship with the government.
17:13If not, what happens is like
17:15an elitism.
17:17If the policy is elitist,
17:19the public is forced
17:21to accept
17:23something that
17:25is what it is.
17:27So,
17:29the government always
17:31dictates things that
17:33the policy is elitist.
17:35So, that's why the public
17:37is sometimes a little angry.
17:39They are also angry
17:41from the anger.
17:43This is what I think
17:45should not be repeated,
17:47where the government
17:49does not give
17:51space to the public
17:53to participate in the
17:55complete understanding.
17:57So, in my opinion,
17:59the most important view
18:01is related to this.
18:03No matter what, Indonesia is
18:05very dynamic,
18:07so it covers
18:0938 provinces.
18:11This should also be thought about
18:13how the representatives
18:15from the regions,
18:17not all of them
18:19will be controlled by a certain region,
18:21a certain region.
18:23For example, all this time
18:25all of them are Javanese.
18:27Such an impression
18:29is not in its place.
18:31How about our people
18:33in Papua, East Indonesia,
18:35etc., they also get a place.
18:37So, there are representatives there.
18:39So, in this matter,
18:41of course, all the calculations
18:43are made by the president,
18:45but remember that Indonesia
18:47is a diverse country,
18:49so the representatives from each region
18:51are very important.
18:53Maybe you will form the so-called
18:55Nusantara Cabinet if we look at
18:57the various representatives
18:59from Sabang to Merauke.
19:01We will see that there are 4 ministries
19:03as stated, the sixth is the Coordinating
19:05Ministry.
19:07What is the effectiveness
19:09of this Coordinating Ministry?
19:11We will discuss in the next segment.
19:13We will be back soon.
19:23Thank you for joining us
19:25in Market Review.
19:27We will continue our discussion
19:29with Mr. Akbar Susanto
19:31and Mr. Trupus.
19:33Mr. Akbar, there are 4 ministries.
19:35The sixth is the Coordinating Ministry.
19:37That means there are two more,
19:39compared to the current government.
19:41What can we expect?
19:43How big will the capacity
19:45of the Coordinating Ministry
19:47be in the future?
19:49What can we expect?
19:51What are the capabilities
19:53to be able to
19:55orchestrate the existing
19:57ministries
19:59if the potential increases
20:01to 44 ministries?
20:03Yes, because 44 is a lot.
20:05So maybe
20:07we feel that the Cabinet
20:09also needs to be added.
20:11But I think the point is
20:13when the number is more,
20:15coordination becomes more difficult.
20:17That's also true when there are 6 ministries.
20:19If there are 10-11 ministries
20:21in one cabinet,
20:23the coordinators will be one.
20:25But if it's split into two,
20:27the coordinators will be two.
20:29So there will be more complications
20:31that need to be taken into account.
20:33But maybe this is also
20:35not separate from the profile
20:37of our President-elect.
20:39We know that throughout history
20:41there have been very active
20:43President-elects,
20:45but there are also times
20:47when the number has changed.
20:49But the principle is
20:51more cabinet members
20:53can coordinate
20:55under one cabinet member,
20:57but can weaken
20:59the coordination between cabinet members.
21:01Okay, what are the criteria
21:03that can be a leader?
21:05If it's true,
21:07as I asked earlier,
21:09so that the government is more effective,
21:11can optimize the work
21:13and support the next government programs?
21:15I think the first criteria
21:17for me is integrity.
21:19We want a minister,
21:21whoever he is,
21:23to have the best commitment.
21:25Then the second is knowledge.
21:27Knowledge can be learned,
21:29but at least he has basic skills.
21:31Then the third is that he has the ability
21:33to be a leader,
21:35have power.
21:37If not, he won't be able
21:39to be a coordinator for his ministers.
21:41And the fourth is
21:43that he can be an operational aggressor.
21:47If not, he won't be able to implement
21:49the technical things.
21:51Okay, Mr. Trubus,
21:53what if we look at how effective it is,
21:55then the expectations and recommendations
21:57that you can convey, what do you think?
21:59Yes, in my opinion,
22:01the issue of effectiveness
22:03is a big indicator,
22:05when this cabinet
22:07is so-called weak.
22:09Why?
22:11Because, as you said,
22:13coordinating between the ministries
22:15will be complicated.
22:17Because each one of them
22:19will become our disease.
22:21The disease of our Ministry of Independence
22:23is the sectoral ego.
22:25This is a problem,
22:27where the Ministry of One
22:29and the Ministry of the Other
22:31often have an ego,
22:33then there is a kind of illusion.
22:35What else do they build
22:37if they happen to be
22:39using the style of Parpol,
22:41God willing, this will be
22:43better than the other Parpol.
22:45This is what
22:47then
22:49the president
22:51will need to make measurements.
22:53The important thing is that in the era of Mr. SBY,
22:55there was the name of UKUAP,
22:57Mr. Mangku,
22:59Mr. Roto, it used to be.
23:01So people evaluate which ministries
23:03are in the category of red report, green report, yellow report.
23:05There is this.
23:07So I think in the era of Mr. Jokowi,
23:09there is a set-up,
23:11there is a function in evaluating
23:13which ministries can run well,
23:15which ministries are in the category of red
23:17or what is it,
23:19there is no such thing.
23:21There should be.
23:23There are those who evaluate,
23:25especially the ministries,
23:27who specifically give a kind of
23:29performance of each ministry.
23:31What is it like?
23:33The second important thing
23:35is how effective
23:37it is when the public
23:39is satisfied with the policy.
23:41Because all this time,
23:43the public has always been disappointed
23:45with the policies made by the elites.
23:47So for example,
23:49policies related to
23:51increase in income tax,
23:53the public is very happy with it,
23:55the increase is very high.
23:57Then the people, not yet,
23:59then the policy of cutting
24:01salaries, there are all kinds of cuts,
24:03such as the BPJS Health,
24:05BPJS Employment,
24:07tax cuts,
24:09motorcycle cuts,
24:11motorcycle insurance,
24:13there are also additional funds
24:15for pensions,
24:17all the middle class are hit
24:19with many of those cuts.
24:21In my opinion, the public,
24:23the government,
24:25in terms of public participation,
24:27when it comes to policy,
24:29must really dialogue first,
24:31so that the public feels,
24:33has a sense of togetherness,
24:35don't then say,
24:37this is a decision from my hand,
24:39that means the president,
24:41and then all the public attributes
24:43are only used as victims,
24:45it's a bit dangerous there.
24:47Therefore, there is a need to criticize it,
24:49to criticize it is important.
24:51If you criticize, only Mr. Akbar,
24:53I don't have this,
24:55who is criticized as a parpol,
24:57it will not balance.
24:59The head-to-head can give a good point,
25:01so that it builds one direction,
25:03policy development.
25:05And there are many other projects,
25:07the legacy of Mr. Jokowi,
25:09must be paid attention to.
25:11There are 13 PSNs,
25:13including the IKN,
25:15which unfortunately have not been completed.
25:17How does the government have to
25:19really pay attention,
25:21don't let this be a mantra,
25:23we have a lot of experience with mantra projects,
25:25whether it's Hambalang,
25:27and then the public trust,
25:29so the public is very confused.
25:31That's what you have to see.
25:33Meanwhile, the position,
25:35honestly, the position of Mr. Prabowo
25:37is the president of the party at number 3.
25:39It's a bit difficult,
25:41there are still two parpols
25:43that are quite strong,
25:45where it's quite professional,
25:47all the people are great,
25:49whether it's the IKN or the PPP.
25:51Of course, then, how can Mr. Prabowo
25:53orchestrate everything
25:55in the context of 2029,
25:57at least Green Drive can be number one,
25:59so that the parties that need to
26:01organize the parliament are actually all in the parliament.
26:03When the parliament is in a comfortable atmosphere,
26:05that's what Mr. President's strategy
26:07is now,
26:09how to organize it so that there is a coalition,
26:11so that it can be a game plus.
26:13That's how all the policies
26:15can be realized, including
26:17the IKN, thanks to the support
26:19of the strong parliament,
26:21otherwise there wouldn't be an IKN
26:23I'm important in the context of the future.
26:25Okay, that's it from Mr. Prabowo.
26:27Then, Mr. Akbar, how do you see the potential
26:29if the second cabinet is formed,
26:31then it can support the government program,
26:338% of the growth of the government
26:35with the current condition, we know,
26:37global economy, then in the country
26:39with some data,
26:41the deflation that happened,
26:43then the PMI manufacturing that also tends to decline,
26:45this can be a jump,
26:47please.
26:49I think all the ministries
26:51are ready to reach 8%.
26:53As a citizen of the country, I think I'm ready,
26:55but as an economist,
26:57I haven't seen a convincing argument
26:59for us to be able to
27:01go to 8%.
27:03Whoever the minister is.
27:05So, we will probably
27:07be in the range of
27:09about 5%.
27:11Unless there's something amazing,
27:13it's 6%, maybe heavy, especially 8%.
27:15I think in terms of data,
27:17it's not realistic yet.
27:19Okay, those are some of the challenges
27:21that the next government is still facing,
27:23although there was a promise to be able to add more,
27:25the number of ministries will be more focused
27:27to be able to support the optimization
27:29of the next government.
27:31Okay, Mr. Terubus,
27:33thank you very much for your time,
27:35sharing, and also the information that has been delivered
27:37to the audience today.
27:39Congratulations on continuing your activities again.
27:41Greetings, sir. Thank you.
27:45Yes, audience, don't leave your seat
27:47We will be back with other interesting topics
27:49related to high investment costs
27:51burdening economic growth.
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