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"Pakistan is the only Country that Celebrates Despite Being in Debt" Farhan Bukhari Analysis
"Is Qisam kay pressure to Ayenge,Log Ap Ko Isi liye Qaraz de Rahe kay..." Farhan Bukhari's Statement
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"Pakistan is the only Country that Celebrates Despite Being in Debt" Farhan Bukhari Analysis
"Is Qisam kay pressure to Ayenge,Log Ap Ko Isi liye Qaraz de Rahe kay..." Farhan Bukhari's Statement
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, I welcome you to the program, I am your host Khawer Ghumar.
00:14Viewers, if we take a look at the political scene in Pakistan, there is a four-sided fight going on.
00:24On one hand, there is the Parliament, the Parliament has its own opinion, the Speaker of the National Assembly's opinion has come forward.
00:29From the Election Commission of Pakistan, you can see that there is an opinion on the Supreme Court's decision.
00:35The majority bench of the Supreme Court, which consists of eight members, has its own opinion.
00:42And on all of this, there is also an opinion from the government of the time.
00:47So you don't understand what will be the solution to this disagreement.
00:51And most of all, the icing on the cake, you can say that the Supreme Court, which has to decide on all these disputes,
00:59there is also a tension between our respected judges.
01:04What are the effects of all this? We will talk in detail about the political scene of Pakistan in the second part of our program.
01:11But today, the first story that we have put in the program is that Pakistan has received a very good news of a loan.
01:20The IMF has announced this yesterday.
01:23Their managing director met with our respected Prime Minister, Mr. Shahbaz Sharif.
01:29He said that Pakistan is a very good child.
01:32Pakistan is moving forward in a very good way.
01:35And the economic decisions that are being made in Pakistan, keeping them in mind, we are lending money.
01:43And viewers, we will get this 24th IMF package of Pakistan's history.
01:50We invited Mr. Farhan Bukhari in the first part of our program.
01:54That we are getting $7 billion.
01:57And the first case that is being told is that it will come to us on September 30.
02:02It is a place of joy.
02:03Pakistan's economy has risen above the Pathani.
02:07Now it will pick up speed with every passing day.
02:10A question that comes to the minds of ordinary Pakistanis like us,
02:14that the 24 injections that we got before this,
02:17it did not have an effect.
02:18Sorry, 23.
02:19The 24th injection of the IMF will be given to us.
02:21What will be the effect of this on our body, the economic body?
02:27The IMF package has been the compulsion of every coming government.
02:32But during that government, the opposition,
02:35for that, the injection that we get of the IMF, the bailout package,
02:40that is the poison of murder.
02:43In the past, the existing governments,
02:46when Mr. Tehreek-e-Insaf's government went to the IMF,
02:50then the same IMF, the same conditions,
02:53the same IWAN, the same politics was happening there.
02:57So in which words did the IMF express its thoughts at that time?
03:03Did it not fall? Did it not go?
03:06I will tell you a few stories from the past.
03:08Let us show you a reflection from the mirror of the past,
03:13what happened in the past.
03:15They made us slaves of the IMF.
03:17All of you are traitors.
03:19You are selling the country.
03:21You have become a slave of the IMF for one billion dollars.
03:25The government has given our country to the slavery of the IMF.
03:29We do not believe in this PTIMF deal.
03:32Fill this deal.
03:34Otherwise, we will burn this PTIMF deal along with the people of this country.
03:38The government has kneeled before the IMF
03:42and has made Pakistan a colony of the IMF.
03:46This is the package of the poor enemy IMF, PTIMF.
03:49This is unacceptable for the people of this country.
03:52From March, we will launch a campaign against the PTIMF package.
04:01Viewers, the news on all television channels from the morning
04:05that we have accepted the conditions of the IMF,
04:08we will put the conditions in front of you.
04:10Then we will take comments from Mr. Bukhari.
04:13The first difficult thing is that Pakistan will reconsider the NFC award formula.
04:20Viewers, you will remember the NFC award,
04:22through which money is given to the provinces.
04:26The IMF will monitor the expenses of the provincial governments.
04:30This is also a very important condition.
04:32In the future, there will be no relief on electricity prices in the style of the Punjab government.
04:37This is a condition to read and see very carefully.
04:40You will not be able to do the press conference like they did in the past.
04:45Pakistan will not give more than one percent of the GDP to the Tawanai sector.
04:51The government will bring reforms and Jamia package for the lack of electricity prices.
04:56This is also a very important condition.
04:59The government will reconsider the purchase agreement of the Tawanai sector.
05:06Viewers, every government has been telling us that we will not reconsider the purchase agreement.
05:13Pakistan will not issue land grants during the IMF program.
05:17Viewers, this is the right of the government.
05:19The treasury should withdraw money from where it is needed.
05:24Land grants will be approved later.
05:28Pakistan will bring the property sector and retail sector into the tax net.
05:31It is a good condition.
05:32It would be better for us to act on it.
05:34It has also been said to bring the Zari sector into the tax net.
05:36This is also a good thing.
05:38Now, how will we bring the Zari sector?
05:40We will ask Mr. Bukhari.
05:42The government will not be able to determine the auxiliary value of the food items.
05:47Welcome to the show, Mr. Bukhari.
05:49Viewers, Mr. Bukhari has a credit in Pakistan.
05:54Financial Times is a world-renowned financial newspaper.
06:01How many years have you been in the economy?
06:04I have been in the economy for about 34 years.
06:06You have retired.
06:07I retired in July.
06:09This July?
06:10Yes.
06:11Happy post-retirement life.
06:12Thank you very much.
06:14It is a good thing that we are getting money for the weddings.
06:23If IMF does not give money, then we start getting threats.
06:29So, how do you see?
06:30What is your initial reaction to this?
06:3234 years ago, when my journey started with Financial Times,
06:36I reported on 34 Pakistani budgets.
06:41Unfortunately, there has been one trend since the beginning.
06:46We are more in debt, but we celebrate it.
06:50I have never understood this.
06:53If a person is more in debt, he should be worried.
06:57Here, we celebrate it.
06:59IMF has a 24th loan.
07:01It is a matter of great joy.
07:04We have made some changes.
07:06A year and a half ago, there was a threat of Diwali.
07:11Mr. Ishaq Dar started his tenure as the Minister of Treasury.
07:17After that, IMF…
07:20They wanted to do magic.
07:22Yes, but it did not happen.
07:23They gave various statements.
07:25It proved to be wrong.
07:26Anyway.
07:27Basically, this thinking is wrong.
07:32The second fundamental issue is that
07:34the reforms that IMF has mentioned…
07:39It is being said that this is a very strict bank.
07:43Unfortunately, Mr. Khawar,
07:46we should have made these reforms for our own benefit
07:51many years ago.
07:53For example, the tax system has become a joke.
07:57In the country, less than 2% of the population pays income tax.
08:0198% of them are poor.
08:0440% of them are below the poverty line.
08:08Their conditions are very bad.
08:10But the remaining 58% will also be taken into account.
08:15That has never been taken into account.
08:17The governments have repeatedly come under pressure
08:22and have kneeled down,
08:24especially in the matter of reforms,
08:26and especially in the matter of tax reform.
08:30Our situation has been a mess for many years.
08:36If the IMF puts pressure on us
08:39and takes us on the path of improvement,
08:43then it is good that we make these reforms.
08:47We should have done this before.
08:49But unfortunately, we should have done this for ourselves.
08:53We did not do it.
08:54Now outsiders are putting pressure on us
08:56and telling us to do it.
08:57This is the basic thing.
08:59At the moment, there is no need for peace.
09:04There is no room for peace
09:06because the Pakistani economy is facing a big crisis.
09:09The crisis is that on the one hand,
09:11the risk of default or Diwali has been removed.
09:16This is very clear.
09:17But in the country, the growth rate is at the peak.
09:25It is a flat economy.
09:27The stock market has risen a lot in the last 1-2 months.
09:34But in reality, industry, trade, and especially agriculture,
09:41which is the strength of any country's economy.
09:44Yes, that is the sector.
09:46Mr. Navi, please make a quick comment and ask a question.
09:48We will discuss this later.
09:51But please ask a question.
09:54Mr. Farhan has said a very good thing.
09:56If you or I or anyone else writes an article on the economy,
10:00we will say that these reforms should be done by us.
10:04If we are sincere to the country,
10:12then we should do all these reforms.
10:13We should impose all these taxes.
10:15We should do all these reforms.
10:16And in this way, we can move forward
10:18instead of having outsiders do it.
10:20Mr. Chaudhary, please ask a question.
10:22Mr. Farhan Bukhari, please tell us
10:24whether we should have taken a loan from the IMF or not.
10:29If we had not taken the package,
10:31if we had not dealt with them,
10:33then we would not have stopped our journey.
10:36As a result of this achievement by this government,
10:39let's put it like this.
10:41And they are talking nonsense.
10:43The economy of Pakistan will generate economic activity.
10:49The GDP will increase.
10:52The people of Pakistan will live in peace.
10:55Pakistan will achieve a better position
11:00in the community of nations of the world.
11:07And this loan which has been taken,
11:10to repay the loans already taken,
11:12which is my understanding,
11:15then what is the benefit or loss of this loan?
11:20Thank you very much, Mr. Chaudhary.
11:22As I said, you have been saved from Diwali.
11:26And it is true that the loan of the IMF
11:28which you will get,
11:29which is approximately 2 billion dollars a year,
11:31or 7 billion dollars in 3 years.
11:33As a result of this, you will be more dependent.
11:36You will take loans from other places
11:38and repay your loans.
11:40So you have not shot a very big arrow
11:43except that you have been saved from Diwali.
11:46The real problem is that
11:48how will you reform your economy now?
11:51And will you do it or not?
11:52Because in the past,
11:53there is a long history of the Pakistani governments.
11:56Different governments have made promises
11:58and then also made promises
12:00at the inter-governmental level,
12:01from the inter-governmental institutions.
12:03So now if you want to change your direction,
12:06then you need to change a lot of things internally.
12:09There is a need to change for the betterment of Pakistan.
12:12For example, in recent weeks,
12:14in recent months,
12:16and I am not giving any political statement.
12:19I want to emphasize on this.
12:21This is not a political statement.
12:22If any government would have done such a thing,
12:24I would have criticized it.
12:26What kind of controversial things are happening?
12:28In the past few days, we have heard
12:30that a high-speed train from Rawalpindi to Lahore,
12:32which will take passengers from one place to another
12:34in less than 2 hours,
12:37and how much money will be spent on it,
12:40that is a long calculation.
12:42In Punjab, there is talk of 5 expressways,
12:47which will cost more than 300 billion rupees.
12:49And the most interesting thing is that
12:51from Rawalpindi to Murree,
12:54a train will be run
12:56whose roof and walls will be made of glass
13:00so that the people sitting inside can see the scenery outside.
13:03This is a wrong path for the country
13:06because you will be more dependent
13:08and as a result of such projects,
13:10it cannot be said from a distance
13:13that your economy will get that support,
13:15the growth potential will be better,
13:20so that you do not go to the 25th program after the 24th program.
13:26Now you need to work seriously
13:29and revive the economic growth rate in the country,
13:33revive it again.
13:35Your agricultural economy,
13:38which has been mentioned that
13:40there is no room for it due to the support price,
13:43but the support price of wheat
13:45which was suddenly abolished by the Punjab government this year,
13:48was abolished before the IMF program,
13:50that it was announced that
13:52the price of wheat was 4000 rupees per man,
13:55and then wheat was sold for 2500-3500 rupees per man,
13:58as a result of which the farmer is so dependent on you
14:02that he is still giving you his loans.
14:04Such a situation will not be possible in the future,
14:11but apart from that,
14:13you have to take care of your agricultural economy,
14:17you have to support it,
14:19because the prices of foodstuffs in Pakistan
14:23have increased badly in the past 7-8 years,
14:27and it was before that too,
14:29but this year, if you look at the data,
14:32the prices of foodstuffs have increased so much,
14:34that people are buying foodstuffs.
14:36The biggest question mark on us is that
14:40our tax to GDP ratio is very dismal,
14:45that is, we are behind 9-10,
14:48and we have been around this for a long time.
14:51Why are we not increasing our tax net?
14:55The population of the country is increasing,
14:57we see that the business has also increased over the years,
15:01but the IMF wants money back,
15:05they see that the government has no means of earning in Pakistan.
15:08Mr. Shahbaz, add to this.
15:10Yes, I will add,
15:12the price of gas,
15:13you have added these things,
15:15add the charges to it.
15:17Why don't we have any information
15:19that those sectors that are not yet in the tax net,
15:22should be brought into the tax net?
15:23Mr. Chaudhary, do you want to ask a question about this
15:25or do you want to separate it?
15:27I will add it to the IMF package.
15:30Mr. Bukhari, you can also come to us.
15:33There can be many answers to this question,
15:36it can also be discussed in detail,
15:38but the basic disease is the same,
15:40and it has been going on for years,
15:42that is the loss of your goodwill.
15:45In every government, when it has been talked about
15:47tax reforms,
15:49especially tax on income,
15:51increasing the tax net,
15:53then it has been found that
15:55in every government,
15:57there have been groups
15:59who have stopped the process of reforms,
16:03the process of reforms,
16:05and as a result,
16:07those reforms could not be done.
16:09There are some sectors that are exempt,
16:11but there are some sectors
16:13that are written in the paper
16:15that they should be taxed,
16:17but they do not tax them,
16:19or they give much less tax
16:21than their responsibility,
16:23at this time,
16:25it is said about business
16:27and industry sectors
16:29that there is a large-scale evasion,
16:31i.e. tax theft,
16:33although they should be taxed
16:35under the law,
16:37they are in the tax net,
16:39but people do not pay.
16:41When did you hear that
16:43as a result of not paying tax
16:45on a large scale in Pakistan,
16:47there have been arrests?
16:49In America, in the last century,
16:51there was a man named Al Capone,
16:53he was arrested for tax evasion.
16:55In America, it was said that
16:57you can get away with a murder,
16:59but if there is tax evasion,
17:01then you have to suffer
17:03generation after generation.
17:05Mr. Chaudhary, ask a question.
17:07Mr. Farhan and Mr. Khawar,
17:09tell me,
17:11we have heard that
17:13whichever country has taken
17:15the IMF package,
17:17its economy has not risen,
17:19is that correct?
17:49Absolutely right. Mr. Nagri?
18:19If you are unable to make
18:21such a regulation,
18:23if you are not successful in it,
18:25then you should conduct
18:27indirect tax collection
18:29and increase the rate
18:31so that at the end of the day
18:33the direct tax collection
18:35is equal to the indirect tax.
18:37The luxuries that are being used,
18:39the things that are being used
18:41by Pakistan's Umbra,
18:43their prices should be increased
18:45so that it is detected
18:47that on indirect taxes,
18:49the collection has increased
18:51with time,
18:53and on direct taxes,
18:55the collection has decreased.
18:57Now, what is the loss of this?
18:59The loss of this is that
19:01if you go on indirect taxation,
19:03for example, on sales tax,
19:05and there are things
19:07that are used every day,
19:09spices, food items,
19:11other things on which
19:13this indirect tax,
19:15is equal to the tax
19:17on the rich and the poor.
19:19The problem is that
19:21the person who has more money,
19:23has more income,
19:25after all, the matter of justice
19:27and rule of law is that
19:29that person should be taxed
19:31according to his means,
19:33and all over the world,
19:35wherever the tax system
19:37has been successful,
19:39there is no comparison.
19:41There are some countries
19:43that have been taxed
19:45in the highest income bracket,
19:47who have a lot of money.
19:49So, the rule of law is that
19:51the person who has more money
19:53should be taxed more,
19:55the burden of tax should be increased
19:57compared to the poor.
19:59This is the latest decision,
20:01that the non-filers category
20:03should be abolished.
20:05Do you understand this?
20:07This is a good decision,
20:09but unfortunately,
20:11we have made decisions,
20:13we have made decisions in the past,
20:15but when we do not
20:17implement 100% of the decisions,
20:19then those decisions are ruined.
20:21We have been doing this
20:23for years,
20:25that the categories,
20:27the individuals,
20:29we have given them
20:31an open freedom,
20:33that if you are a filer,
20:35then give 2%,
20:37if you are not a filer,
20:39then buy a property.
20:41Now, everything is going to be closed.
20:43So, in this respect,
20:45it is good.
20:47Mr. Bukhari, let's go to the break.
20:49After the break, Bukhari will talk.
20:51This National Finance Commission,
20:53since it has been implemented,
20:55probably in 2010,
20:57we saw,
20:59at that time the government
21:01took a lot of credit for it,
21:03that we brought all the political
21:05parties on it,
21:07but since then,
21:09there has been a criticism
21:11that the government,
21:13the federal government cut
21:15its hands and gave it to the
21:17provincial governments.
21:19The provincial governments
21:21started taking money,
21:23but at that time,
21:25it was also a responsibility
21:27that they also collect tax
21:29and put their share in the
21:31National Treasury.
21:33The provincial governments
21:35started taking money,
21:37but at that time,
21:39it was also a responsibility
21:41that they also collect tax
21:43and put their share in the
21:45National Treasury.
21:47The provincial governments
21:49started taking money,
21:51but at that time,
21:53it was also a responsibility
21:55that they also collect tax
21:57and put their share in the
21:59National Treasury.
22:01The provincial governments
22:03started taking money,
22:05but at that time,
22:07it was also a responsibility
22:09that they also collect tax
22:11and put their share in the
22:13National Treasury.
22:15The provincial governments
22:17started taking money,
22:19but at that time,
22:21it was also a responsibility
22:23that they also collect tax
22:25and put their share in the
22:27National Treasury.
22:29The provincial governments
22:31started taking money,
22:33but at that time,
22:35it was also a responsibility
22:37that they also collect tax
22:39and put their share in the
22:41National Treasury.
22:43The provincial governments
22:45started taking money,
22:47but at that time,
22:49it was also a responsibility
22:51that they also collect tax
22:53and put their share in the
22:55National Treasury.
22:57The provincial governments
22:59were expecting that
23:01there will be a fundamental
23:03change in the NFC award
23:05and the loyal government
23:07will have to give more resources.
23:09and the loyal government
23:11will have to give more resources.
23:13Is there any political situation
23:15on this?
23:17They are saying that
23:19they should also monitor
23:21the expenses of the provincial governments.
23:23Yes, absolutely.
23:25As I just told you,
23:27Expressways,
23:29Subah-e-Punjab,
23:31Hukumat-e-Punjab announcements
23:33are not of anyone else.
23:35From an economic point of view,
23:37these are bad decisions,
23:39bad directions,
23:41and bad limits.
23:43Obviously, if you work like this,
23:45you will be pressurized.
23:47Because the people outside
23:49are giving you loans
23:51so that you do not have Diwali
23:53and they can take your money back.
23:55What will you do
23:57about the electricity
23:59purchase agreements
24:01with the power producers
24:03that have been going on
24:05since 1994?
24:07There is a lot of news
24:09about IPPs that
24:11Pakistan cannot afford
24:13their payments right now.
24:15People are making a lot of noise
24:17about your industry.
24:19It has become a burden
24:21even for your land.
24:23Electricity bills
24:25and tube wells bills
24:27used to be flat rates.
24:29Now you have abolished them.
24:31There was a time when
24:33there was a project called
24:35Salinity Control and Reclamation Project.
24:37You have abolished SCARP.
24:39It had tube wells.
24:41You have abolished them.
24:43So, with time,
24:45this burden has increased
24:47on the general public.
24:49Apart from this,
24:51there is a lot of talk
24:53about the
24:55NFC award.
24:57Do you think
24:59the People's Party
25:01will give us
25:03a green signal
25:05about the NFC award?
25:07There is a lot of pressure.
25:09As you know,
25:1157% of your national
25:13resources are collected
25:15through tax collection.
25:17People's Party
25:19is more concerned about
25:21the NFC award.
25:23Whenever people talk about
25:25the NFC award,
25:27People's Party
25:29warns against it.
25:31Why did the NFC
25:33become so controversial?
25:35You did not follow
25:37the 18th amendment.
25:39If you had followed
25:41the 18th amendment,
25:43the NFC would not have
25:45become so controversial.
25:47You are wasting
25:491,300-1,400 billion
25:51in institutions
25:53that should be transferred
25:55by the 18th amendment.
25:57You are throwing this money
25:59into a well.
26:01You should not end the NFC.
26:03You should make it more advanced.
26:05You should increase
26:07the authority of the NFC
26:09and transfer all the expenses
26:11to the institutions
26:13that are taking the money
26:15You are running the institutions
26:17but you are not giving the money
26:19to the authorities.
26:21The authorities claim
26:23that they did not get the money.
26:25You should advance the NFC.
26:27You should implement
26:29the 18th amendment.
26:31You should share the NFC
26:33with the authorities.
26:35You are responsible
26:37for the expenses
26:39of the institutions.
26:41The authorities will not
26:43spend your money.
26:45You heard Mr. Bukhari's speech.
26:47There are many issues
26:49on the wall
26:51that you should work on.
26:53You should make amendments.
26:55You should increase
26:57the tax collection in the country.
26:59For example,
27:01the PIA was supposed to be privatized
27:03till the 1st of this month.
27:05Now the news is that it has been delayed
27:07for another month.
27:09The white elephants
27:11should be released.
27:13Let's move on to the next story.
27:15In Pakistan,
27:17you see that
27:19there is a conflict
27:21between the institutions.
27:23You can call it a fight.
27:25Whatever you want to call it.
27:27The question is
27:29that
27:31what are the current
27:33circumstances?
27:35There is an election commission
27:37on one side,
27:39and a Supreme Court decision
27:41on the other side.
27:43We are covering the letters
27:45between Chief Justice
27:47and Senior Penal Judge
27:49Qazi Faizissa and
27:51Justice Mansoor Ali Shah.
27:53We will discuss
27:55the solution
27:57after a short break.
28:03On July 12,
28:05the Supreme Court
28:07asked the 8-member
28:09bench to give
28:11the special seats
28:13to the Chief Justice.
28:15After that,
28:17on July 24,
28:19the election commission
28:21partially implemented
28:23the decision.
28:25On July 29,
28:27the PTI was declared.
28:29On July 41,
28:31the Supreme Court
28:33asked for clarification.
28:35On August 7,
28:37the Parliament changed
28:39the 2017 act
28:41and said that
28:43the Supreme Court
28:45cannot implement the decision.
28:47On September 14,
28:49the Supreme Court
28:51asked for clarification.
28:53Today, the election commission
28:55again put a review petition
28:57on the clarification
28:59saying that
29:01we do not understand
29:03the constitution
29:05and we do not understand
29:07the constitution.
29:09We do not know
29:11what to do.
29:13Kamal Dilshah,
29:15the ex-secretary of the election commission
29:17appeared on our television
29:19last night.
29:21What are the possibilities
29:23in the coming days?
29:25Kamal Dilshah,
29:27the ex-secretary of the election commission
29:29appeared on our television
29:31last night.
30:01A few days ago,
30:03Senator Irfan Siddiqui
30:05gave a press conference.
30:07He was in a very aggressive mood.
30:09He said that
30:11our work is being done
30:13and your work is being done.
30:15Do your own work.
30:17We are the people who made the constitution.
30:19You are the creation of the constitution.
30:21Parliament is not your creation.
30:23Parliament made you.
30:25Parliament said that if you are 17,
30:27then you are 17.
30:29I have said that
30:31your pension will be this much.
30:33I have said that
30:35you will retire at this age.
30:37You do not make the constitution.
30:39We make the constitution.
30:41Irfan Siddiqui said this
30:43absolutely right,
30:45but he forgot one thing.
30:47Parliament works
30:49according to the constitution.
30:51They cannot say that
30:53if a person is not present,
30:55then you can appoint him.
30:57You cannot force
30:59us to do this
31:01and that.
31:03We are not bound to
31:05accept your decisions.
31:07We want to stay within our limits.
31:09Let us stay within our limits.
31:11But do not force us
31:13to make a decision
31:15that contradicts
31:17the constitution.
31:19Do not force us to
31:21accept this decision.
31:23Do not push us
31:25to accept your decision
31:27that contradicts the constitution
31:29or the constitution
31:31that we have sworn
31:33to protect.
31:35The constitution
31:37is created by our elders
31:39and the whole society
31:41and the whole nation
31:43is based on it.
31:45Mr. Nagbir, who is
31:47pushing whom towards the ditch?
31:49Who wants to fall into the ditch?
31:51Who wants to get out of the ditch?
31:53Mr. Khawar, you must remember
31:55that 6 months ago, I told you
31:57not to hold on to these
31:59sensitive seats.
32:01They are haunting you.
32:03You have become
32:05a hand that you cannot
32:07take off or wear.
32:09I would like to say
32:11that the picture is not
32:13what is being shown.
32:15The picture is something else.
32:17The picture of Qazi Faiz Isa,
32:19Mansur Ali Shah,
32:21whatever is being said,
32:23the picture is not this.
32:25The picture is something else.
32:27The picture is that the
32:29system should be completely
32:31disturbed.
32:33And you can see that
32:35the same thing is happening
32:37that we told you
32:392-3 months ago.
32:41I was the only person
32:43in Pakistan who kept saying
32:45that there is no such
32:47constitutional amendment
32:49The picture is not what is being shown.
32:51The picture is something else.
32:53Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam,
32:55you have a lot of experience
32:57with this picture.
32:59If you can see behind the curtain,
33:01a picture of which
33:03Mr. Naqvi is not able to
33:05capture.
33:07Mr. Chaudhary, what do you see?
33:09If the system is not working,
33:11how do you run it?
33:13Why is it not working?
33:15I have got a loan
33:17I have got a loan
33:19I have got a loan
33:21I have got a loan
33:23I have got a loan
33:25I have got a loan
33:27I have got a loan
33:29I have got a loan
33:31I have got a loan
33:33I have got a loan
33:35I have got a loan
33:37I have got a loan
33:39I have got a loan
33:41I have got a loan
33:43I have got a loan
33:45I have got a loan
33:47I have got a loan
33:49I have got a loan
33:51I have got a loan
33:53I have got a loan
33:55I have got a loan
33:57I have got a loan
33:59I have got a loan
34:01I have got a loan
34:03I have got a loan
34:05I have got a loan
34:07I have got a loan
34:09I have got a loan
34:11I have got a loan
34:13What is he saying?
34:15Is Masawda ready or not?
34:17Is he in opposition or government?
34:19No one is ready
34:21We are a part of the opposition
34:23We cannot leave the opposition
34:25But if there is a good constitution
34:27or law for the country
34:29then we can run it
34:31We cannot run it
34:33We cannot run it
34:35We can run it
34:37When we listen to Kamran Murtaza
34:39it seems that
34:41When we listen to Kamran Murtaza
34:43it seems that
34:45it seems that
34:47It looks that
34:49it looks like
34:51it looks like
34:53We can run it
34:55If we understand that
34:57it is good
34:59we can support it
35:01We can support it
35:03We can support it
35:05We have seen it
35:07We have seen it
35:09We will come out of that. Listen to what he is saying.
35:13It is absolutely clear in his thinking that he will not take any such step
35:18by which this moment in history is remembered as a historical moment.
35:23It will not happen that you get another former Prime Minister punished through a military court.
35:30It will not happen that you attack a political party,
35:33that you make a puppet court, which you call a constitutional court,
35:36and take your own decisions from it.
35:39In politics, anything is possible, but both these statements are different.
35:44On one hand, it is being said that it is possible, on the other hand, it is being said that it is not possible.
35:49Now, at night, the news began to come that there was a disagreement between PTI and JUIF over a controversial issue.
35:58Today, PTI has clarified it.
36:00Their new Secretary of Information, Sheikh Waqas, was holding a press conference,
36:04and very clearly said that there is no such thing.
36:07No, no, there is no joint dispute, which was being reported on social media yesterday.
36:13There is no such thing.
36:14The discussion that will take place between Mr. Kamran Muttaza and our Secretary General,
36:20they will be discussing options, but no joint new agenda or dispute.
36:26Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Sain, if a constitutional amendment is to be made,
36:29then how will it be possible that a political party,
36:32whether anyone believes it or not, whether it is Sunni or Pakistani,
36:37how will you move forward by sidelining them?
36:39Don't you think that politicians should sit together and talk to each other?
36:47If the amendments are against them, then why will they sit with them?
36:52Whatever is happening here, the game of cat and mouse that you have played,
36:57if a decision is made from there, then turn it upside down and do something else,
37:03and then do this and that.
37:05They are putting up a new drama every day.
37:09I don't want to talk more than this,
37:12because I want all their problems to be exposed,
37:16so that the whole nation can see what they are doing.
37:18Right, right.
37:19Mr. Nagri, the same question is in front of you.
37:22Look, I am telling you from the first day, I am saying it again,
37:26there is no major constitutional amendment,
37:28if there is a small constitutional amendment, then it is a different matter.
37:30What will be the small one, Mr. Nagri?
37:32If there is a constitutional amendment, then make a constitutional code
37:35and put an ad for it to a retired judge.
37:37You have done a lot in this.
37:39But look, the whole nation is behind the light of the truck.
37:43That's all for today.
37:44Inshallah, we will meet again on Monday.
37:46Until then, give permission.
37:48Allah Hafiz.