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۔FBR Kay Pas Capacity Hi Nahi Ye Paise Leke Jaib main..." President All Pakistan Traders Association

۔"Tajir tax Dena Chahta,Chor ko upar Say Hata Dein,Jis Din FBR Theek..."Ajmal Baloch's Bold Satetment

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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum viewers, I welcome you to the program. I am your host Khabar Ghumar.
00:04Viewers, a topic that has been discussed on all television screens since this morning
00:10is that Pakistan's traders are present on the roads from Karachi to Peshawar.
00:15They are protesting.
00:17And they are complaining about the government's tax policy that it is extremely inappropriate.
00:25And you already know the situation in Pakistan regarding business.
00:30The tax that is being imposed on it and the manner in which it is being imposed,
00:34it is not at all compatible with it.
00:36We have met with the FBI officials in the past few days.
00:40But no matter has been resolved yet.
00:42So today we have invited Ajmal Baloch to the program.
00:46He is the President of Pakistan Trade Union.
00:48We will know from him what the real problem is.
00:50Because a big problem in Pakistan for decades is that there is no tax in Pakistan.
00:57Unfortunately, we are the country with the lowest tax-to-GDP ratio in the world.
01:03Today we will tell you why we are at such a low level.
01:08But the traders, our traders, they also have problems.
01:12So let's start the program.
01:14Mr. Baloch, thank you very much.
01:16In simple words, a policy was introduced whose name was the Trader-Friend Policy.
01:25So according to you, this is a trader-enemy policy.
01:29The aim that the government was telling us was that people will easily become a part of it.
01:36And everything will be done digitally.
01:40I mean, no one will have any problem.
01:42We saw in the newspapers that there were very nice articles published.
01:45And we saw some traders, who are our brothers, they were laughing a lot.
01:49They were also taking pictures with the rulers.
01:51So today you have shut it down.
01:54The public wants to know, the whole of Pakistan wants to know what your real problem is.
01:59Look, when this Trader-Friend Policy was introduced,
02:04we were only told that the non-registered people, the non-filers,
02:09will have to pay Rs.1200.
02:11That will also come in the tax net.
02:13And next year, they will file their returns.
02:16So we said, there is no problem.
02:17We gave them access to come and register the people.
02:20In the beginning, you also laughed.
02:21Yes, we said, look, this was not on the filers.
02:25It was on the non-filers.
02:27That when the non-filers will be registered,
02:29then the blame on us that the traders don't come in the net, that will be fulfilled.
02:32These people should register.
02:34We gave them access to come and register the people.
02:36There was something else inside.
02:37We were not told the truth.
02:38They spent 3-4 months.
02:40They did not tell us what else is there.
02:42The last meeting we had with the previous chairman,
02:46we said, tell us the truth.
02:48Why are you not telling us what this is?
02:50But what was the truth?
02:51What was the truth?
02:52He said, we have made a valuation table.
02:54On the property value,
02:56that if your shop is worth Rs.1 crore,
02:59its price, the DC rate or the FPR rate,
03:0310% of that will be your income.
03:07You will pay tax on that income.
03:09We said, this does not happen in the world.
03:11Income tax is on income.
03:13Where did this happen on valuation?
03:15This is injustice, you should not do this.
03:18But the old chairman left after giving the resignation.
03:22He listened to us.
03:24He said, you write something and give it.
03:26What do you want?
03:27So we made them for the non-filers.
03:29Take Rs.1200 from them.
03:31And make these categories.
03:33Take advance tax from them.
03:35We are doing it because
03:37if it is not in the net for 5-10 years,
03:39it is not our fault, it is the fault of the FPR.
03:41It was their job to bring it in the net.
03:43We are telling them again and again.
03:45They also know, our Nizami sir,
03:47that I have been saying for 25 years,
03:50that the commercial meter of electricity is fresh.
03:54Register it in the same way.
03:56You are taking 10% income tax in electricity bills.
03:59You are taking 18% sale tax.
04:01Who are they taking it from?
04:03Why don't they register it?
04:05If they are non-filers.
04:07FPR does not have the capacity.
04:09They go to people, take money and put it in their pockets.
04:11They register it.
04:13Even now, when we gave access,
04:15people complained to us,
04:17Mr. Ajman, they go to the side and say,
04:19meet us there, meet us in a hotel,
04:21meet us in the office of FPR.
04:23Until you don't fix FPR,
04:25this injustice will continue.
04:27What steps do you want the government to take back?
04:30And what should the new thing do?
04:32The valuation table, take it back.
04:34FPR has accepted that it is unfeasible.
04:37Believe me, all the meetings before us,
04:39they have accepted this.
04:41We said, take it back, sit with us.
04:43You have to take tax.
04:45The situation is that 70%
04:47there is a shortage in buying and selling.
04:49The shopkeeper is not able to complete his expenses by 30%.
04:52You are telling him,
04:53give him a tax of 350,000 rupees a year.
04:55Give him a tax of 720,000 rupees a year.
04:57Give him a tax of 540,000 rupees a year.
04:59You are imposing on him,
05:01who doesn't have an income of 600,000.
05:03This is the injustice.
05:05We say, take it back, sit with us.
05:07We are ready to talk.
05:09They are calling you for a meeting.
05:11They have been saying for two days,
05:13come and meet, but we are not meeting.
05:15We have been meeting for six months.
05:17No one was telling us.
05:19The day of the strike is today.
05:21Yesterday they called us to come and have a meeting.
05:23They will come and have a meeting.
05:25I am still getting calls from the FBI
05:27to have a meeting.
05:29But I said, keep the meeting for tomorrow.
05:31We are ready to come.
05:33We are ready to talk.
05:35We are loyal to this country.
05:37The problem is that people take our tax.
05:39You can see,
05:41neither are the salaries decreasing,
05:43nor are the deaths decreasing.
05:45Electricity is free, gas is free, everything is free.
05:47I want to ask a different issue.
05:49Mr. Baloch, tell me,
05:51we have seen that when many people
05:53trade with each other,
05:55to avoid tax,
05:57they use a paper.
05:59They sign on the paper and send it.
06:01And all the trading is going on on it.
06:03You have also made such big formulas.
06:05So,
06:07it is obvious that you are representing
06:09the traders.
06:11You are presenting the traders very innocently.
06:13But tell me,
06:15which is the country
06:17where the markets and shops
06:19are open from 12 to 1?
06:21I am talking about Britain, Europe,
06:23all the countries.
06:25If you talk about the justice there,
06:27then in Pakistan,
06:29which electricity is available
06:31in large quantities
06:33and you have installed thousands of lights
06:35in each shop?
06:37Does this justify these things?
06:39Let's talk about this for a minute.
06:41Look, the thing is that
06:43the agreement you have made with the IPPs,
06:45you had to pay
06:4748,000 megawatts.
06:49You are paying 48,000 megawatts
06:51and you are telling us to shut down the shops.
06:53Sir, no.
06:55Let me tell you,
06:57this is the country
06:59where we buy the most expensive electricity
07:01in peak hours.
07:03If we don't buy,
07:05they can't supply electricity in the country.
07:07The chairman of ISCO told me
07:09that the money you pay in peak hours,
07:11if you don't pay,
07:13you can shut down the shops at 6 pm.
07:15If you don't pay,
07:17they can't supply electricity.
07:19This is a different issue.
07:21Sir, I want to ask a question.
07:23The FBI has announced a scheme
07:25where the machines will be installed
07:27in the big shops
07:29and a representative will sit there
07:31and there will be a registration
07:33of the number of customers
07:35and the sales tax.
07:37Did you fight for this?
07:39No, we didn't fight for this.
07:41We said that the traders
07:43should install the machines
07:45in the chains, brands,
07:47cash-in-carries, big stores,
07:49super-stores.
07:51They installed the machines.
07:53What is happening there?
07:55The person installing the machines
07:57is a private person
07:59and he is teaching theft.
08:01The person sitting in PRAL
08:03says that there is corruption
08:05in this country.
08:07Believe me,
08:09there can be a lot of tax.
08:11These are the problems.
08:13Until you fix the FBI,
08:15there will be corruption.
08:17Why has China progressed
08:19when there is death penalty for corruption?
08:21This corruption has drowned us.
08:23Mr. Nizami is with us.
08:25Let's know from him
08:27where the FBI is wrong
08:29and where it is right.
08:31How much truth is there
08:33in Mr. Baloch's case?
08:35I would like to ask you
08:37that there is an issue
08:39of non-filers.
08:41The whole of Pakistan is closed.
08:43The markets are closed.
08:45Where is the problem?
08:47Mr. Baloch has promised
08:49that non-filers will register.
08:51Where is the problem?
08:53Where is the problem?
08:55The problem is that
08:57the act of conspiracy
08:59has not been completed.
09:01Their points have not been included.
09:03The problem is that
09:05we will have to pay tax
09:07to everyone.
09:09We will have to pay tax
09:11to the merchants.
09:13We will have to make it easy for the investors.
09:15When we spoke to the FBI,
09:17they told us that
09:1964,000 people have registered
09:21for the income tax.
09:23A total of 205 people
09:25have collected an income tax of Rs. 5,00,000.
09:27You can see
09:29how low the income tax is
09:31after a large number of people.
09:33When they met,
09:35they said that the income tax
09:37has been made easier.
09:39The advance income tax
09:41has been made easier.
09:43They can take it back
09:45when they collect the income tax.
09:47They will have to pay
09:49their bank account.
09:51The easiest solution
09:53is to do everything
09:55as a FOI.
09:57If everyone does it together,
09:59the tax will be divided.
10:01The IMF has also said
10:03that you have to collect
10:05the income tax on the property
10:07of the lords of Pakistan.
10:09For that,
10:11the law has to be amended
10:13by a two-thirds majority.
10:15Only then will the tax be collected.
10:17Only then will the tax be collected.
10:19We have agreed to so many conditions
10:21on electricity bills,
10:23gas bills, taxes.
10:25We have imposed new taxes of Rs. 19 billion
10:27on the people.
10:29Today,
10:31the government is quite successful.
10:33What next?
10:35Will you have to go back to the FBI?
10:37Mr. Nizami has said
10:39that he has given a tax of Rs. 5 lakh.
10:41He himself said that
10:43if you give Rs. 1,200,
10:45you will be registered.
10:47We have not said
10:49why you are taking Rs. 1,200.
10:51He has been told that
10:53after giving Rs. 1,200,
10:55you will be registered.
10:57You will file your return after a year.
10:59He has just come
11:01and put this table in front of us.
11:03We have faced many difficulties.
11:05We have protested against
11:07Parvez Musharraf for 17 days.
11:09Pakistan remained closed for 17 days.
11:11What did he say?
11:13We have to note the things in your shops.
11:15From where do you get this much money?
11:17When he found out that the money
11:19is 80% loan,
11:21all the army officers
11:23said that you are right.
11:25We had a self-assessment scheme.
11:27Believe me,
11:29he removed the FBR from us.
11:31No one came to our premises for 8 years
11:33and every year,
11:35we used to get 3 times more tax.
11:37Mr. Nagri,
11:39can you give us a suggestion?
11:41You are sitting in Germany.
11:43Even if you breathe,
11:45you have to pay tax.
11:47But if the government pays tax,
11:49it gives you health insurance,
11:51education,
11:53national level insurance,
11:55etc.
11:57Can you give us a good formula?
11:59You present good formulas every day.
12:01First of all,
12:03I want to tell my colleague
12:05that his tax issue
12:07will be solved by 10th September.
12:09God willing,
12:11this issue will be solved
12:13after the negotiation between the two parties.
12:15But he talked about corruption.
12:17He pointed to corruption.
12:19Now I ask him a question.
12:21With due respect,
12:23don't you think
12:25there is a black sheep among you?
12:27Don't you think
12:29there are tax robbers among you?
12:35Your question has come.
12:37There is a technical issue.
12:39He is saying that
12:41even merchants are stealing tax.
12:43I say that
12:45the tax collector
12:47forbids me to pay tax.
12:49He says that he is sincere.
12:51I want to pay the entire tax.
12:53I have to deposit Rs. 2 lakh.
12:55He says that I have to deposit Rs. 6 lakh.
12:57He says that I have to deposit Rs. 50,000.
12:59You deposit Rs. 50,000.
13:01Why am I talking about corruption?
13:03I have been through this.
13:05This country is going to the gutter.
13:07Your point has come.
13:09Mr. Chaudhary Gulamshahan,
13:13this is a two-sided issue.
13:15Mr. Naggi will talk about this later.
13:17Mr. Chaudhary Gulamshahan,
13:19this tax issue has always been there
13:21since the 1970s.
13:23It is a fact that
13:25tax is given less in Pakistan.
13:27Of course, a merchant
13:29will do business and earn.
13:31He is saying that
13:33he has to pay tax.
13:35But the procedures
13:37and intricacies
13:39that come in between
13:41make the shopkeeper
13:43deal under the table
13:45instead of running back and forth.
13:47Mr. Chaudhary Gulamshahan,
13:49apart from the issues
13:51that Mr. Chaudhary Gulamshahan has mentioned,
13:53there are many other issues.
13:55Businessmen say that
13:57if there is a collection of Rs. 7,000,
13:59there is a capacity of Rs. 14,000 in Pakistan.
14:01Correct me,
14:03Mr. Nizami and Mr. Baloj.
14:07This is one thing.
14:09Secondly,
14:11whoever earns
14:13should pay tax.
14:15And whoever does not earn
14:17should be given by the government.
14:19This is the principle.
14:21When I have a identification card,
14:23I am automatically
14:25a filer.
14:27And the things on my name
14:29and this
14:31valuation table
14:33means that you have
14:35introduced a new form of wealth tax.
14:37If I am not wrong.
14:39Now you tell in one sentence
14:41what should be the order today.
14:43So you will be back to work.
15:13Remove the thief from above.
15:15The next day,
15:17I have suspended a person.
15:19He told a shopkeeper to
15:21leave five shops with him per month.
15:23I went and presented it.
15:25Officers really agreed.
15:27We made a video of it.
15:29How much money is he asking?
15:31This is cruelty.
15:33The day the FBI gets better,
15:35that day this country will get better.
15:37Every Prime Minister says
15:39that so many thousands of Arab FBIs steal.
15:41I am going to give tax.
15:43And one more thing,
15:45government people always give tax.
15:47Tax is given by the industrialists,
15:49traders and the private sector.
15:51Government employees get
15:53their salary from our money.
15:55They deduct 10,000 and take
15:57facilities worth 10 lakhs.
15:59I think government employees
16:01get the most salary.
16:03What is the commercial rate
16:05of electricity?
16:07We have a unit of 80 rupees.
16:09We double it in peak hours.
16:11We are paying it.
16:13Even if we have to sell
16:15bangles or land,
16:17we are paying the electricity bill.
16:19We are loyal to this country.
16:21The bill that is coming
16:23is 70-80 thousand rupees.
16:25The commercial who gets the bill
16:27knows it.
16:29I am a tenant.
16:311,19,000 is the rent of my shop.
16:33I give salary to three employees
16:35worth 100,000 rupees.
16:37Tell me,
16:39where will I get the money
16:41to pay the tax?
16:43I will drive home and pay the tax.
16:45Please end your luxuries.
16:47I want to say something.
16:49Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Hussain,
16:51ask him to get down
16:53from the big cars.
16:55It is the history of Muslims.
16:57Muslims wore tight clothes
16:59and ruled over 22 lakhs.
17:01This is also made in the name
17:03of Allah.
17:05Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Hussain,
17:07let me tell you my personal experience.
17:09Many shopkeepers
17:11ask me to pay cash.
17:13We will not take
17:15payment on credit card machines.
17:17We have to pay tax on it.
17:19Honest to God,
17:21why doesn't Mr. Chaudhary
17:23talk about this?
17:25If you are a leader,
17:27you have to calculate.
17:29You are telling
17:31that you are a patriot.
17:33Cash?
17:37Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Hussain,
17:39don't do bank transactions.
17:41Mr. Baloch,
17:43suppose
17:45you have to pay 100 tax
17:47or 1000
17:49or 1 lakh or 1 crore.
17:51You have to transfer
17:53it to a common Pakistani customer.
17:55You do it.
17:57No, no.
17:59Sir, the sale tax
18:01that you have imposed,
18:03the people have to pay it.
18:05I have to pay the income tax.
18:07I have to pay the income tax
18:09from my personal income.
18:11The government doesn't even
18:13give me a shot of dispirine.
18:15I have to pay
18:17the income tax
18:19from my personal income.
18:21Ladies and gentlemen,
18:23let's take a break.
18:25You have understood
18:27that Pakistan definitely needs
18:29a government.
18:31Let's hope that the government
18:33will take steps
18:35to solve this issue.
18:37After the break,
18:39we will talk about
18:41the situation in Pakistan
18:43with the IMF.
18:45Welcome back.
18:47We need 7 billion dollars
18:49from the IMF.
18:51Along with those 7 billion dollars,
18:53we will get the NOC
18:55from the IMF.
18:57We have done
18:59what we came to do.
19:01We have increased electricity
19:03and gas prices.
19:05The ministries are also working.
19:07The people are also working.
19:09Utility Stores Corporation
19:11is a social network.
19:13You know that
19:15people living in cities
19:17in Pakistan know
19:19the purpose of Utility Stores Corporation.
19:21The government subsidizes
19:23common grocery stores.
19:25You get sugar,
19:27lentils,
19:29and tea
19:31at a lower price.
19:33The quality of services
19:35is also better.
19:37In Ramadan,
19:39the government gives a package
19:41to the Prime Minister
19:43for distribution.
19:45About 18,000
19:47of their employees
19:49have been fired.
19:51Their jobs are over.
19:53All the employees
19:55are at the D-Chowk in Islamabad.
19:57They are praying
19:59to the government
20:01that their jobs
20:03are over.
20:05They are praying
20:07that their jobs
20:09are over.
20:11They are praying
20:13that their jobs
20:15are over.
20:17The ministers
20:19are saying
20:21that they will
20:23wind up the government
20:25in two weeks.
20:27The government
20:29should close
20:31the government
20:33that pays them.
20:35We earn
20:37and pay the government.
20:39If the government
20:41is closed,
20:43where will we go?
20:45Our institution
20:47is a beneficiary.
20:49All the employees
20:51have not thought
20:53about where they will go.
20:55We have thousands
20:57of employees here.
20:59We do not get
21:01our demands.
21:03We do not take back
21:05the decisions
21:07of the utility store.
21:09We will sit here.
21:11Is this restructuring
21:13happening or
21:15is the government
21:17restructuring?
21:19The government
21:21decided to close
21:23the utility store
21:25in two weeks.
21:27When the minister
21:29came to Lahore,
21:31he said that
21:33the government
21:35is restructuring.
21:37The IMF
21:39is saying
21:41that we should
21:43either privatize
21:45or close
21:47the utility store.
21:59The employees
22:01are saying that
22:03the utility store
22:05is self-sustainable.
22:07Why is the government
22:09following us?
22:11Is there a loss?
22:13Is the government
22:15trying to eliminate
22:17the utility store?
22:19The loss is around
22:21Rs. 8 billion annually.
22:23But this is not
22:25a modern trade.
22:27People are getting
22:29groceries on calls.
22:31People have to go
22:33to far off areas
22:35because the number
22:37of stores is decreasing.
22:39But this is not
22:41a modern trade.
22:43People are
22:45complaining about the
22:47quality of the goods.
22:49The sugar is
22:51Rs. 5 per kg
22:53and the tea leaves
22:55are Rs. 70-80 per kg.
22:57The competition
22:59in the market
23:01and the Iranian products
23:03are causing
23:05the difference
23:07between the
23:09middle class and
23:11lower middle class.
23:15Mr. Nagri,
23:17this institution
23:19was established
23:21by the Pakistan People's Party.
23:23Primarily,
23:25it is not a bad institution
23:27if it is managed well.
23:29It is the government's decision.
23:31What is your opinion?
23:33There are 18,000 employees
23:35and their families.
23:37I am talking about
23:39Balochistan.
23:41In Bangladesh,
23:43there was a quota system
23:45and the government
23:47fought against it.
23:49How will people leave it?
23:51What is the solution?
23:53It is the biggest retail chain
23:55in Pakistan.
23:57It can become
23:59a big industry.
24:01I am ready to take over.
24:03You can outsource it.
24:05It is an automatic business.
24:07If you close it for a few days,
24:09your client base will be gone.
24:11Your client is established
24:13and your retail chain is established.
24:15You can outsource it immediately.
24:17There are many people in Pakistan
24:19who can take over it
24:21and start it from zero.
24:23Your people will not lose their jobs.
24:25Hassan,
24:27if you want to run it on modern lines,
24:29it can be done.
24:31Apart from this,
24:33there are many other places
24:35in the country
24:37where prisoners buy things
24:39from utility stores.
24:41It is very convenient.
24:43Even in Adiala?
24:45Yes, in Adiala.
24:47Bani Chairman Tariq Khan
24:49sells desi ghee.
24:51I don't think
24:53he sells desi ghee.
24:55Mr. Miran Khan is a big personality.
24:57He is a former vizier.
24:59Now he wants to be a chancellor.
25:01He wants to be a chancellor.
25:03He wants to be a chancellor.
25:05He wants to be a chancellor.
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33:55to take a step towards Nawaz Sharif.
33:57When I turned around and saw him,
33:59I had to take all the pressure myself.
34:01What did he say?
34:03Take a step towards Nawaz Sharif.
34:05We are with you.
34:09I took a step in 1999,
34:11in 1998.
34:13When I turned around and saw,
34:15there was no one.
34:17That whistle keeps ringing for him,
34:19and the air comes out little by little.
34:21But of course, he was elected
34:23in the elections of 1990.
34:25And in the elections of 1990,
34:27the Supreme Court's decision was made.
34:29I don't know what to say about it.
34:31But this is his wish.
34:33He always explains that
34:35if I had been there,
34:37the state of the country
34:39and Pakistan would not have reached.
34:41And if that continuous period
34:43that had been going on
34:45in 1991,
34:47if it had been going on till now,
34:49we would have become
34:51a nation.
34:53Mr. Mian, he keeps
34:55venting his pressure.
34:57Mr. Nagi,
34:59I have a quick comment.
35:01London is coming to you.
35:05When someone is told to take a step,
35:07we are with you,
35:09the people don't say
35:11we are with you.
35:13The people basically say,
35:15grief is with you.
35:17And Mr. Nawaz Sharif took a step.
35:19I want to make a request to Mr. Nawaz Sharif
35:21that he should give retirement
35:23to people like Irfan Siddiqui,
35:25Fauja Asif, and Javed Fateh.
35:27He should not come on TV.
35:29His statements
35:31are of no use to the people,
35:33the government, and the state.
35:35Whatever statements he wants to make,
35:37those statements can never be based
35:39on the basics.
35:41But Mr. Nagi,
35:43if it wasn't for Irfan Siddiqui,
35:45how would we know
35:47what would have happened?
35:49That's all for today.
35:51Tomorrow we will meet Mr. Hassan Yousuf
35:53and Mr. Chaudhary
35:55because Mr. Mian's plan to go to London
35:57is coming to an end.
35:59We will meet again tomorrow.

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