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00:05In the past 24 years,
00:07variety TV shows have been introduced,
00:10with weekly magazines and comic book covers
00:13and color pages as the mainstays.
00:15A multi-talent that has never been seen before has appeared.
00:18Gravure Idol
00:21Until then, when it comes to idols,
00:23it was common to focus on music activities
00:26and be active in singing programs and dramas.
00:30However, in the 1990s,
00:33a different type of idol appeared.
00:37Those who made the magazine's gravure page their mainstay
00:40were referred to as gravure idols.
00:42With their unadulterated speech and gorgeous looks,
00:45they were also very active in TV variety shows.
00:49In the early 2000s,
00:52a new generation of gravure idols
00:55was born every year in a few hundred people.
00:58They became a major force in the entertainment world.
01:01However, in the world of TV variety shows,
01:04which is changing rapidly every year,
01:07there were unknown efforts and hardships
01:10for the younger members
01:13who have been active for a long time.
01:16And there were hardships.
01:19Tonight's event is a rally of Heisei Gradol-related people.
01:22Now, the door of time and space will open.
01:33Behind the scenes of the movement that the people involved talk about.
01:39The first is Mr. Yoko Kumada,
01:42who has released 40 photos and is still active in gravure.
01:52The second is Ms. Sayaka Kusayama,
01:55a multigradol who is active in various fields,
01:58such as a sports program host, a tourist ambassador, and a model.
02:06And the last is Ms. Fumie Nakajima,
02:09a legend who is also active as the oldest gravure idol
02:12in J-POP GIRLS.
02:19And the third is Mr. Go Yoshida,
02:22who is well-known as an interviewer and writer.
02:28This time, we would like to talk to everyone
02:31who knows everything behind the scenes of the Heisei Gradol industry.
02:37How long have you been active?
02:40How long have you been active in gravure?
02:43It was in 1994,
02:46so it's been 30 years.
02:49That's a legend.
02:52Which one is longer?
02:55It's almost the same, but I made my debut in 2000,
02:58and it's my 24th year.
03:01In 2001.
03:04So when I was a first photographer,
03:07I went to Hawaii with Isocchi.
03:10I came to the Tokyo International Airport,
03:13and then I went to Hawaii.
03:16You can go to Hawaii from the very beginning.
03:19It was a good time.
03:22If it's cold, let's go to Hawaii.
03:25But my seniors were more bubbly than us.
03:28I've been to America and LA.
03:31I've never been to LA.
03:34The distance is getting closer.
03:37When the weather gets worse.
03:40So I took a picture in Chiba the other day.
03:43I took a picture in Chiba.
03:46Isoyama and Kumada made their debut
03:49in the 2000s, when gravure was in vogue.
03:52Let's start with the story before that.
03:55Before Kumada and Isoyama made their debut,
03:58what kind of people were active
04:01in the gravure industry?
04:04I started gravure in the 90s.
04:07Which generation are you?
04:10Me?
04:13Akiko Hinagata.
04:16She was very active in gravure.
04:19Keiko Koike was active in gravure, too.
04:22So I thought Isoyama was active in gravure, too.
04:25So I thought Isoyama was active in gravure, too.
04:28So I thought Isoyama was active in gravure, too.
04:31In the 1990s, people were mainly active on the surface.
04:34In the 1990s, people were mainly active on the surface.
04:37From the surface to TV,
04:40that's the era that Kazu was watching.
04:43that's the era that Kazu was watching.
04:46There were many people who didn't speak.
04:49Maria Yamada made a variety of rails.
04:52Maria Yamada made a variety of rails.
04:55So there was a lot of change in gravure.
04:58So there was a lot of change in gravure.
05:01What was the gravure industry like in the 90s?
05:04What was the gravure industry like in the 90s?
05:07In the 80s, it was the golden age of idols.
05:10It started with Seiko Matsuda.
05:13It started with Seiko Matsuda.
05:16After that, it was the so-called winter era of idols.
05:19After that, it was the so-called winter era of idols.
05:22It was a time when group idols and solo idols didn't sell at all.
05:25That's when we became a little awkward.
05:28We didn't sing songs much.
05:31It was a year when the group released a single travel.
05:34It was a year when the group released a single travel.
05:37We were not sure of when the debut would happen.
05:40We were never sure of when the debut would happen.
05:43It was when the first drama came out.
05:46We weren't sure when the first drama came out.
05:49In the beginning, idols were wearing swimsuits.
05:52I'll tell you how terrible it was in the Showa era.
05:56I'm a collector of Showa talent books.
05:59The swimsuits were terrible.
06:01The swimsuits were terrible?
06:03They were thin.
06:05They were like those of those who weren't sexy.
06:08They were like those of those who weren't sexy.
06:10They were like those of those who weren't sexy.
06:12The glabia of the Kanto region was so thin that the nipples were exposed.
06:16That's a big problem.
06:18The white swimsuits were so thin.
06:20It was an accident, wasn't it?
06:22It was an accident.
06:23It was a revolutionary accident.
06:25Even if you're an idol, you don't have to do that.
06:29You can't run away or refuse to do it.
06:32I don't think he knows.
06:34I don't think he knows.
06:36It's cold because of the water on the set.
06:40There's a lot of chicken skin on the set.
06:43I was about to get on it.
06:46Do you need chicken skin?
06:48What does that mean?
06:49There are places where you don't get chicken skin.
06:51I see.
06:52Mr. Kaz.
06:53You don't know until you say it yourself.
06:56You don't know.
06:57Mr. Kumada, you were still in the post-war era.
07:01What kind of people were active in the 1990s?
07:04The topic of YELLOW CAB has been going on for a while.
07:07YELLOW CAB is a variety show.
07:09It's been like that since the 1980s.
07:12Mr. Shinobu Horie, the founder of YELLOW CAB,
07:15was not just a variety show star.
07:18He was the best supporter of Mr. Yasushi Yokoyama.
07:24He continued to assist Mr. Yasushi Yokoyama so that no one could control him.
07:31YELLOW CAB members have that image.
07:34Mr. Fumie Hosoka, for example.
07:36He has the support of Mr. Takeshi Ito.
07:38They are well connected.
07:40Was it your intention to appear in a variety show from the beginning?
07:45I think YELLOW CAB was doing it because there was a gap.
07:49I see.
07:50Ms. Nakajima, you made your debut as a shape-up girl in the 1990s.
07:54What kind of group is shape-up girls?
07:56It's a group of beautiful and healthy supporters.
08:00Ms. Shishi Girls was sexy.
08:04It's a group of healthy people.
08:07I was working as a swimmer and a leotard.
08:13It's amazing to feel the times.
08:16Is it okay to say high-leg?
08:18I think there is an image of high-leg.
08:21Ms. Shishi Girls was sexy.
08:24I wanted to be more healthy.
08:26But I was on the same route.
08:30I became sexy.
08:33There were many sexy groups at that time.
08:37When you joined the group, did you feel that you were more sexy than healthy?
08:45Yes.
08:46I liked GRAVURE.
08:49I saw a lot of women.
08:51I wanted to be different from men.
08:56I wanted to be cool.
08:58I wanted to be like that.
09:00I interviewed Ms. Nakajima once.
09:03She is a very serious person.
09:05I did a lot of research.
09:08I collected some data.
09:10There are two different details here.
09:13I asked her what this was about.
09:16She said she would answer everything today.
09:20As a result, the article did not appear.
09:23Because you didn't hide it.
09:26You need a filter.
09:30She answered everything.
09:33I was impressed.
09:35There was an age difference in the flow of time.
09:40When I made my debut, I thought I was getting younger.
09:45I was pointed out.
09:48It's easy to find out now.
09:50At that time, I didn't know.
09:52It was a time when there was no internet.
09:54YELLOW CAB, which sparked a new boom.
09:57GROUP GLADOL, such as SHAPE UP GIRLS.
10:01GAME CHANGER in the world of GRAVURE idols.
10:06What did Ms. YUKA change?
10:10Was the flow of time different?
10:13No.
10:14GRAVURE girls who talk a lot were very active.
10:18Ms. YUKA's way of selling was to show it to the public.
10:23However, it didn't appear on the radio.
10:26The audience imagined what she was talking about.
10:32After that, Ms. YUKA showed it all at once.
10:36Everyone was very interested in Ms. YUKA.
10:41The agency said, if you do it seriously, it will be like this.
10:45It's impossible to show it all at once.
10:48From there, it became popular.
10:51It's like decorating the cover at the same time.
10:54No matter what magazine you look at, you can see this girl.
10:59Various publishers and TV stations use it.
11:02Megumi and KOIKEIKO talk a lot.
11:06It's different from what I imagined.
11:08It's healing.
11:09It's amazing that it's healing.
11:11It's an adult-like older sister.
11:13It's like Ms. YUKA.
11:15It's like having a friend.
11:17It's like a swimsuit.
11:21Ms. NAOKO IJIMA is also healing.
11:27Where does the word healing come from?
11:31Does anyone name it to make it popular?
11:33I don't think you can cut the word Kyonyuu.
11:37The word Kyonyuu was created by President NODA of Yellow Cab.
11:43Mr. NODA is amazing.
11:44He started Kyonyuu business.
11:46By the way, I interviewed many Kyonyuu gravure idols at that time.
11:51Most of them had a complex about the size of their breasts.
11:54They were scouted by people who had been naked since they were students.
11:58They were confident that their complexes would be a spring and work.
12:04Is that also the case for gravure people at that time?
12:07There's a shadow.
12:09There are many parts that don't seem to be the case.
12:13It's true, but there's a sense of smell.
12:16I was like that.
12:18I hated being big.
12:20I didn't even go into the school pool.
12:22When I was wearing a swimsuit, the eyes of people in their puberty were amazing.
12:26Anyway, I had a complex about having a big chest.
12:29When I was told that gravure was empty, I couldn't respond immediately.
12:36How about you, Ms. KUMARO?
12:38When I was in elementary school, my favorite boy was watching gravure.
12:42Did you watch it when you were in elementary school?
12:44Yes, I watched it when I was in elementary school.
12:46I wanted to be a girl whose favorite boy was watching gravure.
12:49I wanted to be a gravure idol who was obsessed with gravure.
12:52If you were a gravure idol, you should have been popular with your favorite boy.
12:55Did you aim for gravure from the beginning?
12:57That's right.
12:58I think that's a good point.
13:00I'm going to gravure, so please watch me.
13:03Isocchi is like, even if I'm taken, please don't do it.
13:08It's a man's heart.
13:10I think there's a need for that.
13:12Which one do you prefer?
13:14I watch gravure as a sexy thing.
13:20I like KUMARO's gravure because it's easy to understand.
13:25I think gravure is more common now.
13:30In the old days, after you memorized your face and name with gravure,
13:34There were a lot of people who went to gravure to work on TV.
13:39There were a lot of people who did something they didn't know.
13:41That's right.
13:43It's up to the age of 20.
13:45Gradually, there were people who did both gravure and variety.
13:50There were people who started at the same time.
13:53There are a lot of people who are wearing swimsuits now.
13:57When gravure idols entered the 2000s and advanced into variety,
14:02New people made their debut from various entertainment agencies.
14:06We're finally entering the Sengoku period.
14:11This is the gravure people who made their debut around 2000.
14:15Mr. Isayama is in it.
14:17That's right.
14:18Yuko Ogura is in it, too.
14:20Yuko Rin is amazing.
14:22She noticed the world of gravure.
14:24She also noticed KORINSEI.
14:26That's right.
14:27What does it mean to crush a star and lose it?
14:31It's the world of Star Wars.
14:33She's a great person.
14:35Everyone is good at talking.
14:38Sayako is good, too.
14:40I think gravure people need to have a good conversation.
14:45I had the image that I had to sit in the sun.
14:48That's right.
14:49However, Chinatsu Wakatsuki lost a little fan of gravure.
14:54Chinatsu Wakatsuki was an idol and cute.
14:59She was a fan of gravure.
15:02However, when she talked about variety, she talked too much.
15:06The fan of gravure was different from what she imagined.
15:09She was a little far from it.
15:11However, Chii-chan's talk was amazing.
15:14She got a new fan.
15:15She also got a female fan in fashion.
15:19In the 1990s, many people had big breasts.
15:25However, in the 2000s, many people started to have a lot of body parts.
15:31Some people expressed their body proportions with breast milk.
15:34Breast milk is beautiful.
15:36There are also neck, buttocks, legs, and slender.
15:39Some people started to have body parts.
15:41Yes, there are body parts and characters.
15:45Yuuki Maomi and Wanabe Kaori are older than me.
15:50They are in the same school as me.
15:52I see.
15:53They are in the same university as me.
15:55There are not many people who are in the same school as me.
15:59When the number of grads increases, it is necessary to shoot out each character to measure discrimination.
16:06You are active in variety shows.
16:09What kind of role do you play?
16:12I used to work as a reporter at a hot spring.
16:18I was careful to take care of my health as a gravure talent.
16:29Your body is your main source of income.
16:31Yes, in a sense.
16:32I was worried about the character because it was a variety show.
16:38At the time of my debut, I made a character that I loved money.
16:45I knew Yuukorin before she was born.
16:51However, I worked hard as a producer.
16:56There were many people with strong characters.
16:58I was worried about what to do because there were no such people.
17:02I was told to lose weight.
17:06I was a manager of a baseball club when I was a high school student.
17:11There were no sports people.
17:14I thought there were no baseball players.
17:18I thought there were no people from Ibaraki.
17:21I worked hard to find a person who could speak.
17:27I have heard this story in various places.
17:30Isayama-san was the first person to play the role of Namori Ibaraki.
17:37I decided to play only that program.
17:41I'm proud of my country.
17:43That is my weapon.
17:46Variety shows have expanded.
17:49There are many types of characters.
17:52I think it's the same way of fighting as acting.
17:57There are people who are interested in straight manzai.
18:00There are also people who have different weapons.
18:04I think it's the same way of fighting in the 2000s.
18:08Is there a sense of rivalry between the same generation of gravure?
18:11The number of magazines is limited.
18:13That's right.
18:15I will tell you the truth.
18:18The people who appear in this magazine are decided.
18:21For example, there are few people who appear in YANZAN.
18:25There are people who appear in KAKOI.
18:27That's right.
18:28I appear in KAKOI for a year.
18:31I appear in KYU-SAMA, so I can't appear in TODAI-YO.
18:34That's right.
18:35Is that so?
18:37I can't appear in TODAI-YO.
18:39That's right.
18:41I think the power of the magazine has weakened.
18:46That's right.
18:47I'm asked who my rival is in a variety show.
18:53I can't appear in a variety show every week.
18:58I can ask the person who appeared in the variety show last week.
19:03I feel like I'm a friend.
19:05If I have an eye, I will be rejected.
19:08If I don't have an eye, I don't have to look at each other.
19:10I can get information.
19:12I feel like I'm a comrade rather than a rival.
19:15It's like a pro-wrestling magazine.
19:19I'm talking about gravure.
19:22I've never heard of it.
19:24I eat at a gravure party.
19:27I exchange information with the person who appeared in the program first.
19:34You have to follow the concept of gravure.
19:37It's more exciting to have a lot of delicious ramen shops.
19:40That's amazing.
19:42It's a good example.
19:43It's a good example of high-class food.
19:46I can do it.
19:48It's important to secure a seat.
19:51If there are a lot of foreign talents, models, and people from Japan, the gravure will shrink.
20:01I was in trouble.
20:03You are an enemy of other people.
20:06That's right.
20:07The cameraman says a lot of things on the spot.
20:12Do you put that on the camera?
20:15I have to hide it.
20:17I thought I would hide it with this.
20:19I hide it with a wooden stick.
20:22We are fighting with thin clothes.
20:27The main business is gravure, while shooting various characters and leaving fingerprints in variety shows.
20:37What kind of trouble is there on the spot?
20:40Speaking of gravure, I think it's the work of a photographer to publish a photo book or image video.
20:46How long does it take to publish a photo book?
20:49Kumano-san, you've already published 40 photos.
20:51That's right. I've published 40 photo books.
20:5340 photos?
20:54Does that mean you've published at least one or two photos a year?
20:58This is my 24th year.
21:00That's a long time.
21:01How many DVDs have you published?
21:03I've published 75 DVDs.
21:0675 works?
21:07That's right.
21:08That's amazing.
21:09It's been about a year since I published the last one.
21:15That's amazing.
21:16I still love DVDs.
21:19Do you like seductive seduction?
21:22Do you like seductive seduction?
21:23I'm sorry.
21:24I love seductive seduction.
21:26I haven't changed the exposure since my debut.
21:30Even if I publish 75 works, I don't show my lower and side breasts.
21:36That's why I don't show my T-bag.
21:39You don't show your lower and side breasts?
21:42I can't help it.
21:44They're too big.
21:45But I don't show them on purpose.
21:48You fight with the situation and pose.
21:52That's right.
21:53Don't you run out of ideas?
21:55I'm running out of ideas, but I still have a lot of things I want to do because I love gravure so much.
22:04Recently, I gave a presentation at a meeting.
22:07I gave a presentation about what kind of work I wanted to shoot.
22:10I gave a presentation about what kind of lighting I wanted.
22:13I gave a presentation about what kind of cameraman I wanted.
22:15Do you have a lot of ideas?
22:18At first, I didn't have any ideas.
22:21The editor prepared it for me.
22:24The editor prepared it for you?
22:25That's right.
22:26Sometimes, I think this is good.
22:29Then I run out of ideas.
22:31Then I run out of ideas.
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34:32The gravure industry has been developing through
34:35the development of swimsuits and locations.
34:38However, with the emergence of an idol,
34:40common sense has changed.
34:45There was a time when a lot of gravure idols
34:47cut their legs.
34:48What kind of era will come after that?
34:50In the 2010s,
34:52maybe after the AKB break.
34:55The gravure in the world of magazines,
34:58the so-called 48 groups,
35:00and then the so-called Sakamichi group.
35:02There will be an era when all of these groups
35:04will be elected.
35:05The human world strategy will begin.
35:07The number of people will be on a different level.
35:10There will be no more pages in magazines.
35:13How did the gravure people survive in such a situation?
35:16I see.
35:17If you notice,
35:19everything has become like that.
35:21That's right.
35:22A little while ago,
35:23for example,
35:24Hello! Project's Morning Musume!
35:26never wore a swimsuit in the previous century.
35:29So we were impressed.
35:31It was like a photo shoot.
35:32That's right.
35:33There was a special feeling.
35:35AKB was already number one in singing.
35:38In addition to that,
35:39they wore swimsuits and underwear in PV.
35:41They also did T-bags and handbags.
35:43I was wondering what the gravure people would do.
35:46Also,
35:47while AKB was very busy,
35:49I said,
35:50I want to take a cover here between the studio and the studio.
35:52They pulled out white paper
35:54and took a picture here.
35:56I was able to take a cover.
35:58When I realized that I could do it,
36:00the gravure people didn't have to go all the way to the South Pole.
36:03They noticed it.
36:04That's right.
36:05They found out.
36:06That's right.
36:07So the form of shooting changed completely.
36:10So AKB's power was amazing.
36:12Besides,
36:13there are fixed fans,
36:15so magazines sell well.
36:16Yes.
36:18It was pretty tough at this time.
36:20It was a target.
36:21That's right.
36:22Moreover,
36:23the cover was displayed as a group.
36:25Everyone could do it as a group.
36:27Really,
36:28a year was filled.
36:30The cover of a year was filled at once.
36:33Everyone came to the parade.
36:35That's right.
36:36This was tough, wasn't it?
36:38It was tough.
36:39It was pretty tough.
36:41At this time,
36:42when I worked with the gravure people,
36:44everyone was mumbling every time.
36:46Mumbling.
36:47I lost my job overseas.
36:49All the magazines were taken by AKB.
36:51I said I couldn't do it.
36:53I was invited to a talk event by a gravure person.
36:57I started an auction for a swimsuit.
37:00I was cornered.
37:02You couldn't change your mind.
37:04I was sold at LOFT PLUS ONE.
37:06It was pretty cheap.
37:08I thought it was tough.
37:10In that case,
37:11the direction is divided.
37:13You are from gravure,
37:15but you can't win with idol elements,
37:17so you have to make gravure elements stronger.
37:19You have to fight with sexiness.
37:21You have to narrow the area.
37:23That's right.
37:24I'm not a fan of idols at all.
37:27I don't watch AKB as a fan.
37:30I didn't watch gravure at all.
37:33I thought it was sexier.
37:36AKB members lined up normally
37:38and wore swimsuits.
37:40I thought it wasn't enough.
37:42Did you read erotic books?
37:46Of course.
37:48I read a lot of erotic books.
37:51I see.
37:53When AKB members wore swimsuits,
37:55I had a strange feeling.
37:57I think it was popular.
37:59What did you think of this era?
38:02There were many changes in AKB.
38:07When AKB members wore swimsuits,
38:09people who weren't wearing swimsuits came out.
38:12It made it easier for me to change my mind.
38:15I didn't have to wear a swimsuit.
38:17I was allowed to wear a swimsuit.
38:19That's the character.
38:21I thought this person was a strong willed person.
38:24I thought fans would accept it.
38:26Fans who used to like gravure
38:30were not having fun in that era.
38:35I think so.
38:36There's nothing to see.
38:38Some people weren't idol fans.
38:40There were quite a few people who didn't want to be like that.
38:43I think some people were.
38:45I especially like gravure.
38:49I want to see something that makes me want to touch it.
38:54I don't want to be an idol.
38:56I want to see something like that.
38:59Some fans support you.
39:02Some people.
39:04I don't think it's just some people.
39:07I don't think it's a gravure that has been around since ancient times.
39:13I think it's an old-fashioned gravure.
39:16There was a magazine I was working for.
39:20It said that if you made an AI woman into a cover, it would sell.
39:23So I thought I'd make it into an AI.
39:26That's sad.
39:27You can do anything.
39:31Now, everyone can send information on social media
39:34and gain popularity.
39:37What will happen to gravure idols in the future?
39:41Social media has increased a lot.
39:44Since the second half of the AKB era,
39:47people have been doing gravure themselves on social media.
39:51There were quite a few people.
39:53First of all, they made their own goods and sold them.
39:56It's a self-taking girl culture.
39:58They make their own photobooks, sell them, and earn money.
40:03You don't have to go to the agency.
40:05You're a cosplayer today, right?
40:07That's right.
40:08In addition, the cosplayer agency is getting more and more powerful.
40:12That's right.
40:13It's completely shifted to that.
40:15Cosplayers...
40:16Original characters...
40:18The characters that should be imitated are exposed,
40:22so they come out on their own.
40:24There's no resistance from the beginning.
40:26If you ask them to do it, they'll do the same thing.
40:29A more spontaneous fan will say,
40:31Oh, you're going to do something radical from the beginning.
40:33Then you can be that person.
40:35I think that's the entrance to the fan.
40:38Even actresses raise their swimsuits on their own.
40:41It's because it's a swimsuit.
40:43Idols also raise the number of night pools.
40:46Swimsuits are sold at a very low price.
40:49What kind of job is a gravure idol?
40:52I feel like it's really vague.
40:55That's right.
40:57I think it's a matter of human rights.
40:59I think there's a possibility that gravure will disappear.
41:02That's scary.
41:03I think it's going to be like,
41:05I don't need gravure for a magazine or a comic book.
41:09It's not the most popular magazine.
41:12If there are people who find it hard to buy,
41:14I'm going to lose it.
41:16I thought it was a tough time.
41:18In the magazine I work for,
41:20If you make an AI woman a cover, it'll sell.
41:23I'm going to make it an AI in the future.
41:26I'm sad.
41:27You can do anything.
41:29But I feel like I'm going to come back again.
41:32I think there's a return.
41:34I think we'll really break up.
41:37That's the reality.
41:39There's a need for humanity.
41:42The child who was born now hasn't experienced it.
41:45It's like an AI gravure.
41:47I think gravure people think it's like an AI.
41:51If that happens, it'll be natural.
41:54If it becomes a reality,
41:56I think there's no reason to seek the real thing.
42:01It's like a body with wrinkles.
42:03Do you have wrinkles?
42:05I think that's what people will say.
42:07I think it's realistic to have wrinkles and flesh sticking out.
42:12I want you to love wrinkles, too.
42:15If you have wrinkles, you'll love wrinkles.
42:18It's the same now.
42:20What should I do?
42:22What if AI learns about wrinkles and starts to show them?
42:26What should I do?
42:28Unlike other singers,
42:32don't you think gravure idols can reach you if they work hard?
42:36That's amazing.
42:39I think that's a great feeling.
42:41I think so, too.
42:43That's why I like it.
42:45AI gravure can't reach you.
42:48It's better to reach you.
42:50That's why I want to go there.
42:52It's the first time I've seen a girl in the store.
42:55If it's us, there's a possibility.
42:58It's more fun and exciting.
43:01There's a chance.
43:03If you don't make it smell like that,
43:05I don't think you're a gravure idol.
43:08That's a good thing to say.
43:10It's not a delusion.
43:12If you work hard, you can do it.
43:15I also value that short time.
43:20When I see fans,
43:24they have different images.
43:27I wonder what kind of image they have.
43:30So I want to be close to them as much as possible.
43:35I want to be a gravure idol who can be admired.
43:41I want to protect them.
43:44That was very convincing.
43:48It's like a natural person with two people in full body makeup.
43:53That's right.
44:09It's nice to run away.
44:11It's beautiful.
44:13If you don't show this and that, it's okay.