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00:00I welcome you to the program The Reporters, my panelist Hassan Ayub Chaudhry Ghulam Sain
00:17Sahib is with me, Haider Naqvi Sahib is not with us today due to some work, he is in the
00:24background.
00:25Viewers, today in the program we have a very interesting set of stories, you will not
00:29miss it.
00:30We will also take you to Karachi in the second part of the program.
00:31Today, Karachi has become a republic.
00:32The revenge, the democracy is the best revenge that was told to us.
00:33A circle had to be counted again for four polling stations.
00:34There was a difference of two thirty-nine votes and today some people came and took away
00:35the bags full of votes.
00:36Now what happened?
00:37We will take you to Karachi.
00:38Along with this, viewers, in the twenty-sixth Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
00:39In the twenty-sixth Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
00:40In the twenty-sixth Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
00:41In the twenty-sixth Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
00:42In the twenty-sixth Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
00:49In the twenty-sixth Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
00:54In the twenty-sixth Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
00:58In the twenty-sixth Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
01:01In the twenty-sixth Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
01:04In the twenty-sixth Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
01:07In the twenty-sixth Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
01:10In the twenty-sixth Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
01:13In the twenty-sixth Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
01:16In the twenty-sixth Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
01:19In the twenty-sixth Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
01:22In the twenty-sixth Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
01:25In the twenty-sixth Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
01:28In the twenty-sixth Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
01:31In the twenty-sixth Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
01:34In the twenty-sixth Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
01:37In the twenty-sixth Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
01:40In the twenty-sixth Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
01:43In the twenty-sixth Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
01:46In the twenty-sixth Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
01:49In the twenty-seventh Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
01:52In the twenty-eighth Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
01:55In the forty-seventh Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
01:58In the forty-seventh Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
02:01In the forty-seventh Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
02:04In the forty-seventh Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
02:07In the forty-seventh Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
02:10In the forty-seventh Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
02:13In the forty-seventh Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
02:16In the forty-seventh Ayn-e-Tirmidhi, we will also take you to Karachi.
02:19When our bowlers bowl on this pitch,
02:22I don't know what happens to the audience.
02:25The pitch becomes powerful.
02:28It pulls the ball towards itself.
02:31The best fast bowlers in the world,
02:34Shaheen Chahavridhi, Naseem Shah,
02:37they go to 130-135 at the maximum 36-38.
02:40they go to 130-135 at the maximum 36-38.
02:43But England's players, you know,
02:46they are easily crossing 140 kmph.
02:49they are easily crossing 140 kmph.
02:52So, these are the circumstances.
02:55But what can we do? It's happening.
02:58Let's move on to the routine program.
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18:34Today we had a very detailed discussion. It has been decided that tomorrow there will be a meeting again.
18:39PTI has taken the time to examine us and come back again.
18:43They have not given any opinion today.
18:45I have also told Jamia Ulma-e-Islam that you should share your draft with us.
18:50I think they will give it to us tomorrow.
18:52We have presented our proposals.
18:55We have presented what we have conceived in front of everyone.
19:01Mr. Bilawal Bhutto, what do you have to say about the draft?
19:06As far as appointments are concerned, we have officially presented the draft to the Parliamentary Committee.
19:23Maulana Fazl Rehman's party has once again taken the opportunity to engage with the Pakistan People's Party
19:35and want to make a consensus document which can be used for further discussion.
19:40I have also raised the point that our ideal situation is
19:46that we should make a consensus on the political parties.
19:55But, viewers, we are facing a completely different situation from Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaad.
20:01They are saying that this draft has not been shared with us.
20:05First of all, let's listen to Mr. Amar Dogar's comment, who came out of the committee and spoke to the media.
20:13The People's Party has shared its draft in front of the committee.
20:17The government has also given its tentative points in front of the committee.
20:23Now, there will be further consensus.
20:26The People's Party's draft has a lot of clarity.
20:28The draft given by the government still has a lot of ambiguity in it.
20:33The government is still failing to present what it wants to do with clarity in front of the committee.
20:40I think that time is needed for this.
20:43The government wanted to hold a meeting in Ujjalat yesterday.
20:48The decision is that the meeting will not be held tomorrow.
20:52Mr. Gohar is also saying the same thing.
20:57Mr. Amar Dogar is saying that the draft has been handed over to us.
21:00No, no, no.
21:01No draft has been handed over to us.
21:03There were some articles related to the judges.
21:07The law minister was saying that the lawyers gave him some feedback.
21:12No draft has been presented in today's meeting.
21:14No draft has been presented.
21:15Mr. Gohar is saying that the government has presented a draft for the first time in today's meeting.
21:18No, no, no.
21:19I will tell you about the draft that has been presented.
21:21In fact, I have written on its top that it is not a draft by the government.
21:24The government does not own it.
21:26They said that the first draft was suggested by the lawyers.
21:30The first page was not in it.
21:32It started from the second page.
21:33We asked.
21:34There is no first page.
21:35The Bar Council has sent its suggestions with a covering letter.
21:38So, the lawyers have given some suggestions on the leak-out draft.
21:42That draft has been shared.
21:44Our reporter was asking that Maulana is saying that a draft has been shared.
21:49Barrister Gohar is saying that the recommendations coming from the bodies of the Bar,
21:53which the law minister was saying a while ago,
21:55those recommendations have been kept.
21:58So, the condition that the government owns,
22:01with the stamp of the government or with the seal of the government,
22:04the law minister with his signatures,
22:07in front of the public, in front of the media,
22:09or in front of any place, that has not come yet.
22:11But listen to what Maulana is saying.
22:14Till now, the government has shared its draft for the first time with us.
22:20And after this, the discussion will start with our government side.
22:25And let's see how far the discussion will go.
22:28The suggestions of the People's Party have also come forward.
22:31And when the People's Party will discuss with each other,
22:35they will try to agree on a draft.
22:38Then they will share their draft with their Muslim League.
22:43And we will share it with the PTI of the opposition,
22:46so that a consensus can be reached.
22:48I can't say how long it will take,
22:50but there has been an agreement that a consensus will be reached on this.
22:55A consensus has been reached on this.
22:57Let me explain this to the viewers again.
23:01Viewers, today the People's Party shared a draft.
23:05It was put in front of the committee.
23:07The PTI and Maulana are also believing that
23:11a clear draft has come forward from the People's Party.
23:14There is clarity.
23:15The government has put a draft.
23:17The PTI is saying that it is tentative.
23:20It has recommendations.
23:22The government has not put an official document in front of us
23:26that it is ours.
23:28After that, Maulana is saying that it has come forward
23:31and we would like to take this draft
23:33and prepare our own draft in front of the People's Party.
23:37And in the preparation of our draft,
23:39we would like to take the PTI on board.
23:43So, this draft is not present anywhere yet
23:48which is being tried to create a consensus.
23:50Hassan Ayub, have you understood?
23:52Yes, I have understood.
23:53Explain this to us as well.
23:54What is happening?
23:55If you don't want to listen, what can I do?
23:57Sir, all your statements,
23:58the statements of senior leaders,
24:00what can you do?
24:01The PTI has to do the politics.
24:03No, Maulana is doing the politics.
24:04The PTI doesn't want this.
24:05All the political parties are doing the politics.
24:07Listen to me.
24:08The PTI doesn't want this.
24:09Baris Tagore and Aamir Dogar
24:11will not want this draft.
24:13They have hidden their disbelief in Punjab
24:16and in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
24:18This is their internal matter.
24:20Their relatives are raising their voices.
24:23Anyway, let them do their job.
24:25By the way, they have a lot of confidence in their party.
24:29They have a lot of confidence in them.
24:30Have you read the vote of no confidence
24:33against Benazir Bhutto?
24:35Yes, I have read it.
24:36Read it.
24:37I will read it.
24:38How many people did we raise?
24:40They don't have confidence.
24:41Anyway, they think that our people are in contact
24:43and so on and so forth.
24:44That is nothing.
24:45They are so uneducated.
24:47Come back to Masabda.
24:49Their relatives are close to a dozen.
24:51They don't have any contact with them
24:53and they are saying that they don't have any contact with them.
24:55Tell us about Masabda.
24:57I want to stand on such uneducated people.
24:59I want to salute them.
25:01I will come to you.
25:03It is such an uneducated thing.
25:05I don't have it.
25:07You sit there.
25:09I was asking you on the lighter side.
25:11Is there any such thing in Pakistan
25:13that is happening and it is bad and wrong?
25:16And that PTI or its founder did not do it?
25:19This is something to think about.
25:21Come back to Masabda.
25:23Yes, think about it.
25:25As far as the Pakistan People's Party draft is concerned,
25:28the government will own this draft.
25:31And it is the draft of the Pakistan People's Party.
25:33Consensus will be tried to develop on this.
25:36Some of these things,
25:38when they try to decide with Murana,
25:40that Murana should also come on board.
25:42Look, there is a desire.
25:44It is the desire of Muslim League Nawaz,
25:46Mian Nawaz Sharif, Shahbaz Sharif,
25:48Asif Ali Zardari and Bilal Bhutto
25:50that Murana should be a part of this amendment.
25:52This is a good thing.
25:54This is a question, isn't it?
25:56Listen to me.
25:58Listen to me.
26:00No one wants to be a bench.
26:02No one wants to be a bench.
26:04No one wants to be a bench.
26:06No one wants to be a bench.
26:08No one wants to be a bench.
26:10No one wants to be a bench.
26:12The question that the general public is asking,
26:14the media is asking,
26:16what difference does it make
26:18that during the government,
26:20a proposed recommendation,
26:22that this is in the mind of the government,
26:24should be made public,
26:26should be put in front of the media,
26:28through newspapers.
26:30The draft of the People's Party has been made public.
26:32I am talking about the government.
26:34That is the government.
26:36It is the draft of the People's Party.
26:38But it has the leading role of Bilal Bhutto Zardari.
26:40This is the draft of the People's Party.
26:42There will be a negotiation with the Mullahs.
26:44The rest of the Jamaats will be on board.
26:46Therefore, you should understand that
26:48the things that are included in this draft,
26:50i.e. the removal of Article 184,
26:52will be passed by the
26:54Faithful Judiciary.
26:56The decision of the Faithful Judiciary
26:58will be final.
27:00This is the best draft of the People's Party.
27:02According to this draft,
27:04the existing Supreme Court
27:06will be terminated.
27:08The next Chief Justice
27:10will be the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.
27:12But the real Chief Justice
27:14will be the Chief Justice
27:16of the Constitutional Court.
27:18He will be in rotation.
27:20He will be term-fixed for three years
27:22and in rotation.
27:24He will be a representative of every province.
27:26He will be the Chief Justice of every province.
27:28Mr. Chaudhary,
27:30what is your information
27:32on this matter?
27:34You keep getting comments.
27:36You keep getting comments
27:38on the government's desire
27:40and on their draft.
27:42If they had a clear intention,
27:44then there would have been
27:46a comment from every side
27:48that there is something wrong
27:50in the intention.
27:52Otherwise, the draft would have been
27:54discussed, passed,
27:56discussed by the media,
27:58the Parliament, the Senate and the Nationals.
28:00And the concerned NGOs
28:02should give their feedback.
28:04which was done on the occasion of the 18th amendment.
28:08Why has he kept it hidden till now, Mr. Rafchand?
28:12You have to keep three things in mind.
28:14Their number one problem is to legitimize that mandate and continue it in the government.
28:22First of all, they are selling all these pappads for it.
28:25They want that there is a tradition that no one should carry the head and walk.
28:32And now they have a hidden agenda.
28:36They are not bringing it forward.
28:38Otherwise, whether these amendments are passed or not, it makes no difference.
28:45Mr. Jai, I understand what you are saying.

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