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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, welcome to the program.
00:03Today was a very happening day, especially for Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
00:08Their office was sealed.
00:10Their Central Information Secretary was given to the FIA on two-day remand.
00:16Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf has also started a hunger strike in the parliament.
00:21Along with that, the pressure on IPPs is also increasing.
00:27The way they are taking money out of the pockets of the poor and the government is helping them, we will talk about that too.
00:35But today, our first story that we are going to talk about is
00:40whether the government has decided not to act on the Supreme Court's full bench decision in the short term.
00:51Because in the last few days, we have been getting hints from various statements of government officials.
00:58From them, it can be assumed that this decision has been taken by the government.
01:03Now, is it possible? Obviously, this is the Supreme Court's decision.
01:08This is not a controversial decision, which you know in the past started a discussion of 4-5.
01:15No, this is a decision of 4-5 or a decision of 3-7.
01:20This is a very clear decision.
01:22It is a decision of 8-5.
01:24It has been decided by a majority of 8 judges.
01:27In fact, in one opinion, it is a decision of 11-2.
01:31Because 11 judges have accepted Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf's political status as a political party.
01:37We will talk about this.
01:40Ladies and gentlemen, this decision was given by the 13-point bench on 12th May, 2024.
01:46In the special sessions, it was decided that seats are the right of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
01:53As a party, Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf should get them.
01:59Now, in the decision, it was said that for 15 days, Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf will take affidavit from all its people.
02:08Those people who did not submit their declarations initially.
02:12After that, the special sessions, their lists will be submitted in the Provincial Assembly and National Assembly.
02:23Ladies and gentlemen, the time period is 11 days.
02:28This time period will be completed on 27th July.
02:31And after 27th July, the Election Commission will have 7 days to verify, vet and submit the documents.
02:41They will issue a notification.
02:43And all the seats of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf in Punjab, Centre, KP, Sindh, Balochistan.
02:52In Balochistan, there is no majority.
02:56So, they should be given.
02:59Now, the question that I raised in the beginning, will the government act on it?
03:04First of all, I will share a story with you from my side.
03:09I have information that it has been decided by Pakistan Muslim League Noon, according to our sources,
03:16that it will be stopped at the level of the speaker.
03:21If there is contempt, the speaker will tolerate the contempt.
03:26And in any case, if there is contempt, the notification will be issued by the Election Commission of Pakistan.
03:33Because some people think that the Election Commission should not issue a notification.
03:37And in the meantime, there should be some kind of a deal.
03:40That this was not possible, this was a wrong decision.
03:43Because they have previously misinterpreted the Supreme Court's decision.
03:47So, by the grace of Allah, our Election Commission of Pakistan can work much more than this.
03:57It has this ability.
04:00First, we will tell you about the different sources.
04:04Government officials.
04:06What assumptions are being made by them.
04:09But before going to these government statements, I would like to ask a few questions to my panelists.
04:16Hassan Youb, I will first come to you.
04:19After this, we will take your comment or comment on this later.
04:23A quick question is that you feel that the government will not allow the implementation of this decision at the level of the speaker.
04:33They are saying that since it is an unconstitutional decision, like us, they have made this decision.
04:37So we will not accept this unconstitutional political decision.
04:40What information do you have? I will take your comment later.
04:44Absolutely, this is the information.
04:45Not even one seat will be given to Pakistan.
04:49The decision is that no seat will be given.
04:51Now how will it not be given?
04:53What path will be adopted for it?
04:56What mechanism or what strategy does the government make?
04:59Or the speaker, or the Election Commission, or whatever they are saying.
05:02But besides, your news is absolutely correct.
05:04Not even one seat will be given.
05:06The decision has been made that no seat will be given to Pakistan.
05:09And the Parliamentary Committee will not be accepted by Pakistan.
05:12Mr. Haider Naqvi, what information do you have?
05:16The decision of the Supreme Court is clear.
05:18Law experts are saying that if you do not accept this decision, then it clearly means that there is no Supreme Court in Pakistan.
05:27Look, what you said, there is no Supreme Court in Pakistan.
05:32The government parties are very clear about this.
05:35They say that any decision that comes from the Supreme Court has a mechanism to implement that decision.
05:42If a decision comes and the party does not accept it, then it goes into review.
05:47They have submitted a review, which the Supreme Court has said can be passed after two months.
05:51So the government's position is that after two months, when the review, because its detailed decision has not yet come.
05:56So after two months, when the review decision comes, then we will accept whatever decision comes.
06:01Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Sain, your former Chief Justice, Mr. Umar Atta Baniyal, has also made some decisions.
06:09He was also not able to implement them.
06:11The present Supreme Court of Pakistan, the senior penal judge, Mr. Mansoor Ali Shah, who became the Chief Justice on 23 October 2024,
06:21an eight-member bench, a big decision, a decision of the full court.
06:25Do you think that this news, this information is coming, is there life in it?
06:29This is a Muslim League news, and People's Party, and those who have been given halwa manda from this,
06:39they have come to their senses openly.
06:42We have started dancing naked.
06:45Supreme Court or no Supreme Court.
06:48Neither do we consider PTI as a party, nor will we give them a seat.
06:52We will not get a single seat.
06:54But there is no reason to make such a big deal.
06:58The day the Supreme Court sits, and that Supreme Court happens,
07:03which does not come under anyone's misguidance,
07:07half an hour before, they will implement it,
07:11and will go there barefoot and protest.
07:13Viewers, coming out naked is a parliamentary word, it is a proverb.
07:19What is your opinion?
07:20Naked is a lie, what has happened?
07:22Mr. Naqvi, you read it well.
07:24Your opinion would have come.
07:25Now how is this?
07:26Mr. Chaudhary has given his opinion that this decision will be implemented.
07:31The three of us think, I have the news that the government has decided not to let it happen.
07:36Now whether it will happen or not, we will see what Hassan said later.
07:40But Mr. Chaudhary's opinion, he is saying it in such a way that openly,
07:45Mr. Naqvi, in Punjab, there is a slight difference in the pronunciation of our words,
07:50he feels bad.
07:51He said it openly.
07:53Azma Bukhari, who is your Information Minister,
07:57what is she saying in this regard,
08:00that this decision came, why did it come, what is behind it, listen.
08:05Being a law student, and being a Democrat,
08:11yesterday I felt very clearly that Ayan lost and Begmat won.
08:15And that love for Kashmir and Immi,
08:18all the rules and regulations of Pakistan,
08:23all the requirements of the law,
08:25all that keeps them on top.
08:27Khawaja Asif also gave a hint,
08:30that whatever happens, we have to go to the end, we will go.
08:35This cannot be like this.
08:37This is not like this, listen.
08:39We will defend it.
08:41We will defend every inch of whatever space has been given to us,
08:49by the elections of every year.
08:53Will you resist?
08:54Absolutely.
08:56Even if anything happens for it?
08:58No, no, whatever remedies we have, we will exercise all of them.
09:05Remedies, as he said,
09:07Minister of Defence is the senior leader of Pakistan Muslim League Noon,
09:10he said that we will use them.
09:15Obviously, they have a lot of resources.
09:18Maryam Nawaz, Senior Vice President,
09:20Chief Organiser of Pakistan Muslim League Noon,
09:22she also said it very clearly,
09:24she openly said to the Supreme Court,
09:27that your decision is completely unacceptable,
09:31and we will not allow this decision to be implemented.
09:35And we have to go to any extent.
09:37They have also mentioned the use of military force.
09:40In the past, Khawaja Saad Rafiq had a famous saying,
09:44Iron Chickpeas.
09:46But first, Maryam Sahiba's statement.
09:48I would like to say to the judges of the Supreme Court,
09:52that let this country run.
09:54The person you want to bring back,
09:57that person is the criminal of this nation.
09:59We will not let it be so easy for you.
10:01God willing, this government will complete 5 years.
10:04And if someone tries to destabilize it,
10:09if someone tries to put a barrier,
10:12if someone tries to bring political instability,
10:15then it will be dealt with with bare hands.
10:18This question was asked yesterday
10:20in front of Javed Lateef,
10:22our respected senior leader of Pakistan Muslim League Noon,
10:26and a special friend of Hassan Ayub.
10:28When he was asked,
10:30what was his explanation?
10:32Listen.
10:33If your senior leader of the party,
10:37and the chief executive of the biggest province of Punjab,
10:40openly threatens the Supreme Court,
10:43then there will be a law of the jungle everywhere.
10:48How can you defend this?
10:50If instead of coming to a decision according to the law,
10:56you start making politically acceptable decisions,
11:00then you will get to hear these things.
11:04Mr. Naqib, do you think that the statements that we have heard,
11:08they are threatening the Supreme Court,
11:11that there is life in it,
11:13or do you think that when the Supreme Court people will sit,
11:18then they will have to act, and they will do it.
11:21Look, if you want to see it legally,
11:25the most important thing in it,
11:27is that there has not been a detailed decision on it yet.
11:30So the people who have to act on the decision,
11:32they do not know what is the story ahead.
11:35After that, when they did not accept the decision,
11:37they went to the review.
11:38And such decisions of very important nature,
11:40decisions of national nature,
11:42on which the future of the nation,
11:44the future of the government is at stake,
11:47it has to be run very fast.
11:49So it was very important that if its review had been entered,
11:52then it would have been heard.
11:53Now, if the government, speaker or election commission accepts this decision,
11:58and after that, when a detailed decision is made,
12:00such hurdles come up,
12:02that the detailed decision should be presented in such a way,
12:06after which the government and the election commission will regret
12:09that why they accepted the decision.
12:10So it is absolutely right in its place,
12:12that the decision of review should come,
12:13we will accept the decision, either way.
12:15Hassan Youb, Mr. Naqib has raised a very good point.
12:18You have covered the Supreme Court.
12:20The decision of the Supreme Court,
12:22is obviously a decision,
12:23and it is very clear.
12:24The timeline has been given.
12:26You must remember, when the issue of vote up no confidence came up,
12:28the clock was reversed,
12:30and it was told that from this time till this time,
12:32the decision, you have to act on it.
12:35The timeline is very clear.
12:38Your opinion on the decision is,
12:40re-written of the constitution,
12:44many people think so,
12:46especially those who are not Muslims,
12:48that it is an illegal decision,
12:50a political decision.
12:51But I want to know from you,
12:53in the light of the tradition of the Supreme Court,
13:00if we have to stop the action on this decision,
13:03then what is its legal timeline?
13:07Please explain this to us.
13:09I will give you two examples,
13:11and both examples are of Chief Justice Saqib Nisar.
13:15When Khawaja Saad Haseek gave a statement,
13:19he called the Supreme Court on Sunday,
13:22in the Lahore Registry,
13:24and gave them a lot of scrutiny,
13:26and gave them a lot of scolding.
13:28And after that,
13:30for Fatiha Khani,
13:32Saqib Nisar had gone,
13:33and when he came and said,
13:34Khawaja Saad Haseek, when he came,
13:36he did not give any scrutiny,
13:38but he came out with his hands in his pockets.
13:40So the timeline is not always the same.
13:42There was a time when Chief Justice Saad Haseek
13:44was putting his hand on a tree,
13:46and he wanted to put his hand on it the next day,
13:48but Saad Haseek did not put his hand on it.
13:50So as the clock did not reverse,
13:52the timeline changes.
13:54Even if it is reversed,
13:56the timeline does not change.
13:58The second example is of Saqib Nisar.
14:00He used to say,
14:02why should I give such decisions
14:04that cannot be implemented?
14:06So there are some things
14:08that the judges should take care of,
14:10that should be implemented.
14:14This is a political thing.
14:18I am talking about the law and the constitution.
14:22Sir, I am talking about the constitution.
14:24The Supreme Court takes its powers from the constitution.
14:26It is inheriting power from the constitution.
14:28Parliament has the right to rewrite the constitution.
14:30The Supreme Court of Pakistan does not.
14:32It can interpret through judgment
14:34where there is a mistake.
14:36If the text of the constitution is very clear,
14:38then it is a public property.
14:42You are clearly sidestepping the question.
14:44I am saying that the government,
14:46the election commission,
14:48whoever you want to implement,
14:50if they do not act on this decision,
14:52my question is very simple.
14:54What is the legal option they have?
14:56Is there a legal option?
14:58Is there a legal option?
15:00There has been a lot of violence
15:02in Pakistan for 76 years.
15:04This has been going on for 76 years.
15:06No.
15:08I understood the question.
15:10The question is that the parliament will say
15:12that we will not allow interference in our affairs.
15:14We will send it to the Supreme Court.
15:16And the Supreme Court does not have the power
15:18to interfere in the affairs of the parliament.
15:20What strategy will they adopt?
15:22I am telling you the strategy.
15:24They will answer the Supreme Court
15:26that the parliament is sovereign.
15:28The parliament is the best.
15:30The parliament is supreme.
15:32I understand what you are saying.
15:34But Mr. Chaudhary,
15:36this is the direction of the election commission to Pakistan.
15:38This is not the direction of the parliament.
15:40The election commission
15:42has to notify the issue.
15:44As per the order,
15:46within 7 days,
15:48first 15 days have been given
15:50and within 7 days,
15:52you have to notify
15:54PTI, Lusita,
15:56Punjab,
15:58etc.
16:00After that,
16:02during the first session,
16:04the MP or MP elect
16:06will take the oath.
16:08This is the first task.
16:10Now,
16:12will the speaker stop
16:14his entry in the house?
16:16Or will he not call for a session?
16:18What will happen?
16:20You have come from Lahore.
16:22You have come to us in Islamabad.
16:24Tell us the inside story.
16:26The inside story is that
16:28we will not follow the orders.
16:30Think about it yourself.
16:32What will happen
16:34if this happens?
16:36There is nothing before this.
16:38It is not appropriate to talk about it again and again.
16:40I don't think
16:42that
16:44until the amendment in the constitution
16:46that the orders of the Supreme Court
16:48are nullified,
16:50in some other way,
16:52the decision of this 11-member
16:54bench can be
16:56delayed.
16:58The election commission
17:00is not behaving
17:02like this.
17:04We saw that Balaksher Mazari
17:06was the Chief Minister.
17:08Naseem Hassan Shah gave the judgment
17:10which has not been written yet.
17:12No one got it.
17:14The court announced that
17:16the government will be dispensed.
17:18It was illegal.
17:20Mir Balaksher Mazari.
17:22And Nawaz Sharif was restored.
17:24At that time,
17:26he took charge of the Prime Minister.
17:28There was no order.
17:30Here,
17:32we will talk about
17:34Bandyal
17:36in detail
17:38about what he did with him.
17:40Because no one has told
17:42what kind of goons
17:44he did with him
17:46and his judges.
17:48It is appropriate
17:50that the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court
17:52will tell us about it.
17:54He will tell us.
17:56But,
17:58either they should follow
18:00what they are doing.
18:02They are not
18:04violating the Supreme Court.
18:06They are doing it
18:08without following it.
18:10The biggest responsibility of the election commission
18:12is to notify them
18:14and undo all the results.
18:16But,
18:18they are not following
18:20what they are doing.
18:22First, we will ask Mr. Hassan
18:24to check
18:26how much snow has fallen.
18:28If it is less than 1 inch,
18:30he will not follow the decision.
18:32Let's go.
18:34Viewers,
18:36let's take a short break.
18:38After the break,
18:40we will talk about the problems
18:42facing Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
18:44Also, the news is that
18:46the Pakistan People's Party
18:48which you were saying
18:50that they will drink
18:52with the PTI,
18:54they are standing
18:56with their own people.
18:58It is the same thing
19:00that you took my money
19:02and now I will not return it.
19:04This is very ridiculous.
19:06This is a very wrong attitude.
19:08Viewers,
19:10Pakistan People's Party
19:12has gone to the People's Party
19:14for a review.
19:16It is a Parliament Act.
19:18After that,
19:20the right to form a bench
19:22after the practice and procedure
19:24is given by the three-member committee.
19:26The three-member committee has said
19:28that there are holidays in the Supreme Court
19:30and no judges are available.
19:32So, we will listen to the reviews.
19:34There is still time for two months
19:36until the holidays are over.
19:38There is a lot of debate on this.
19:40Today was a difficult day
19:42for Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
19:44After the break,
19:46we will talk about
19:48what Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf
19:50is going to do.
20:14As you remember,
20:16the Central Secretariat
20:18of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf
20:20was sealed once.
20:22Today, the Deputy Commissioner
20:24has said that the wiring
20:26in this office is not of good quality.
20:28It can be short-circuited
20:30and can catch fire.
20:32It can be a threat
20:34not only to the residents
20:36but also to the workers.
20:38So, it was sealed.
20:40You can see
20:42on the TV screen
20:44the day before
20:46when the raid happened
20:48and the police took the goods.
20:50Today, the Tariq-e-Insaf
20:52petitioned in Islamabad High Court.
20:54The Chief Justice heard it.
20:56Hussain Chaudhry, our reporter
20:58from Islamabad High Court
21:00is present.
21:02Hussain, can you hear me?
21:04Yes, I can hear you.
21:06Please tell us
21:08what was the reason
21:10for the raid?
21:12Share all the details with us.
21:16This petition was filed
21:18at 2 pm today.
21:20It was filed by
21:22Memuna Kamal,
21:24a member of PTI Women League.
21:26It was said that
21:28illegal arrests were made
21:30in the raid.
21:32All the goods were taken away.
21:34The court ordered
21:36the investigation.
21:38The Chief Justice
21:40asked for an additional
21:42attorney general
21:44at 4 pm.
21:46The Chief Justice
21:48said that
21:50arresting people
21:52without a warrant
21:54cannot be done
21:56on the request of an investigator.
21:58Can you arrest
22:00a person without any evidence?
22:02He also asked
22:04if PTI secretaries
22:06should be arrested.
22:08He said that
22:10he would be arrested.
22:12Additional attorney general
22:14said that
22:16those arrested
22:18have been sued.
22:20Some have been
22:22remanded.
22:24Chief Justice Amir Farooq
22:26said that
22:28if he had
22:30consulted VOCLA,
22:32he would have been able
22:34to do so.
22:36This has become
22:38a police state.
22:40You can do whatever you want.
22:42A police state is
22:44a place where
22:46nothing is done
22:48according to the law.
22:50He also asked
22:52if he should file a case
22:54of theft.
22:56The Chief Justice
22:58also asked
23:00if the people
23:02of Pakistan should be arrested
23:04and do a technical analysis.
23:06Chief Justice said
23:08that we have arrested a person
23:10and released him from the court.
23:12Please do not do this.
23:14Please submit the order.
23:16I will issue a detailed order
23:18on this.
23:20Thank you very much, Hussain Chaudhry.
23:22The question here is
23:24We cannot
23:26wash away Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
23:28It is a reality. It is a political party.
23:30They vote for us.
23:32They support us.
23:34They have their own opinions.
23:36You and I may have
23:38differences.
23:40But a political party
23:42secretary
23:44being slapped
23:46by the Chief Justice
23:48will this
23:50cause a political
23:52conflict in Pakistan
23:54or will it be unjust?
23:56Islamabad is the capital
23:58of Islamabad.
24:28Who is going to
24:30instigate you?
24:32Look at their position.
24:34Look at their status.
24:36Some people are in America.
24:38Some are in London.
24:40Look at the status of those
24:42in Pakistan.
24:44Look at their financial condition.
24:46Look at their position in society.
24:48These are people who
24:50earn millions of rupees a month.
24:52They are playing with you.
24:54This issue of social media
24:56is basically
24:58instigating you.
25:00They are instigating you.
25:02They are instigating you.
25:04You are standing against the state.
25:06You are attacking the state.
25:08When there is a protest,
25:10they are not capable.
25:12They do not have a majority in Pakistan.
25:14Those who are in Pakistan
25:16have made themselves so powerful
25:18that they are not capable.
25:20Then who is caught?
25:22You are at a loss.
25:24You are at a loss.
25:26You are at a loss.
25:54The quality of the wiring is not good.
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