" PTI Ke Log Aisay Hi Criminal Mind Ke Log Hain," Bilal Azhar Kayani Ki Aaj Ke Waqeye Par Guftagu
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00:00One thing is that the CCTV footage is being recorded.
00:02You bring that CCTV footage that has happened in Sangjani,
00:05which Atta Tarar is claiming to be CCTV footage,
00:08where PTI workers, including the son of the MPA, are attacking.
00:14In the name of Allah, most Gracious, most Merciful.
00:15Thank you very much, Ms. Anika, for inviting me to your show.
00:18Look, either this would have been the first incident of PTI like this,
00:22but still we say, let's give the benefit of the doubt.
00:26Now, regarding the last incident, which is being claimed to be CCTV footage,
00:31do you have a video in which Mr. Hassan Niazi is standing on a cart,
00:37disrespecting the army uniform, dishonouring it?
00:43Do you have a video where Mr. Shariar Afridi is saying,
00:46come, let's go to GHQ.
00:48Do you have videos in Sialkot, Rabalpindi, Lahore,
00:52in other cities, Peshawar, in other cities,
00:55their public faces leading their workers,
00:58who are waving PTI flags, wearing PTI banners,
01:01and they are going with sticks.
01:03So, look, I don't understand that after this, CCTV footage...
01:06But with the CCTV footage of 9th May, or the footage of 9th May,
01:09or the video of 9th May, you can't say that...
01:12Now, this is not possible, right?
01:13Because it was 9th May, so whatever happened,
01:15you can put it on the PTI's lap.
01:17You have...
01:18I have, in reference to this, told you this,
01:21that the claim that was being made by Mousuf,
01:24that the CCTV footage record is very bad,
01:27we are asking for the CCTV footage of 9th May.
01:30They are asking for the CCTV footage there,
01:32where the videos have come,
01:33where their people and their crimes have come.
01:35It's not here.
01:36Look, here too...
01:37They are asking the police to do it.
01:38Look, here too, God willing...
01:39Why did the SHO do it?
01:40Look, CCTV footage is not available everywhere,
01:42this case will go to the court.
01:43No, but Mr. Akhtar had said that CCTV footage...
01:45No, if they have it, then it will come,
01:47it will be even better.
01:48And in the coming days, this matter will go to the court.
01:50The MPA's sons, PTI's MPA,
01:52PTI's employees are not like this,
01:54they are people like this,
01:55they are people like this.
01:56So, MPA's are also like this.
01:57So, PTI's MPA's sons,
01:59if they break the police vans,
02:01this is the work of criminals,
02:02and these criminals are filled in this Jamaat.
02:04There is a 10-year track record and training.
02:07So, there is nothing wrong in this.
02:08Anyway, CCTV footage will also come.
02:10Mr. Akhtar told, so it will be available with them.
02:12And in the coming days, I am sure,
02:14that this matter will go to the court,
02:15so there will be no problem.
02:16Okay, their one point is very valid.
02:18If CCTV footage does not come,
02:20they say,
02:22that they were being released from there.
02:24So, the family of the person being released does not attack.
02:27The family attacks the person
02:28who knows that there will be a severe punishment ahead.
02:30So, there is nothing wrong with severe punishment.
02:31No, no, see,
02:32this will be known now,
02:33on the occasion,
02:34in the police vans,
02:3682 criminals are going.
02:39There is an attack on that police van.
02:41On the occasion,
02:42PTI's MPA's son is caught attacking others.
02:46His family was going with him,
02:47you know, his family travels.
02:48No, no, see,
02:49he should travel with him.
02:50Okay, she was attacking the same car.
02:52She was attacking the same police van.
02:54It is a great coincidence.
02:55So, see,
02:56the thing is,
02:57that this thing will go to the court in the coming days.
02:59There will be further discussion.
03:00Do not add these logics.
03:02If this had not happened,
03:03then there would not have been such crimes.
03:04Anyway,
03:05I am sure,
03:06that in the coming days,
03:07this matter will go to the court.
03:08There will be no problem.
03:09CCTV footage,
03:10which Mr. Akhtar is telling,
03:11that too, God willing,
03:12will come out.
03:13Right.
03:14Okay, let's go to the other side.
03:15Now, Mr. Rana Sanaullah is saying,
03:16that the women of the house should not be added
03:18in such cases.
03:19Cases should not be made.
03:20Whether it is Bushra Bibi,
03:21or Khan Sahab's sisters,
03:23they do not need to be unnecessarily arrested.
03:27Does PMLN agree with this thought,
03:31which is Rana Sanaullah's own thought?
03:33I think,
03:34what Rana Sahab is saying,
03:35he is saying in this context,
03:37that we do not believe in such revengeful actions,
03:40which Imran Khan did.
03:42Such?
03:43Allow me.
03:44See,
03:45Bushra Bibi Sahiba was not arrested,
03:47because she is Imran Khan's wife.
03:49She was arrested,
03:50because she was an accused,
03:52in the robbery of Tosha Khana,
03:54with Imran Khan.
03:55See,
03:56it was not her intention,
03:57that because she is his wife,
03:58and she is still an accused,
03:59she was released on bail,
04:00but she is still an accused,
04:01in the case.
04:02So,
04:03we do not believe in such revengeful politics,
04:05or actions,
04:06which Imran Khan did repeatedly,
04:08that Maryam Nawaz should be arrested,
04:10in front of Nawaz Sharif.
04:12Nawaz Sharif's AC should be removed,
04:14Maryam Nawaz's cell should be entered at 12 am.
04:17We do not believe in such politics.
04:19We do not believe in such politics.
04:21We do not believe in such politics.
04:23We do not believe in such politics.
04:25We do not believe in such politics.
04:27We do not believe in such politics.
04:29And we do not believe in any kind of revengeful action.
04:32Yes,
04:33on merit,
04:34where there are crimes,
04:35whether it is Tosha Khana,
04:36or it is a case of £190 million,
04:38or it is a terrorist act of 9th May,
04:40whoever is involved,
04:42they should be arrested,
04:43and they should be taken to task.
04:45If you do not believe in revengeful action,
04:47then the news that is coming,
04:49that Imran Khan's sisters will be arrested,
04:51in another new case,
04:53they will not be allowed to be released,
04:54is this true?
04:55Look,
04:56in my knowledge,
04:57there is no such thing.
04:58So,
04:59I always say,
05:00in the cases of 9th May,
05:02whoever is involved,
05:03they should be convicted.
05:05In fact,
05:06I will even say that,
05:07this is also a question on Judiciary,
05:08why are the cases of 9th May,
05:09which are such serious crimes,
05:10still under investigation?
05:11In the UK,
05:12you saw that,
05:13there were riots recently,
05:14within a week,
05:15convictions started to come.
05:17Here,
05:18in 9th May,
05:19there were serious crimes,
05:20in which military installations were attacked,
05:22people of a party were seen leading.
05:24Imran Khan himself,
05:25in Adiyala jail,
05:26admitted that,
05:27I had called him.
05:28So,
05:29in such cases,
05:30the convictions should have come sooner.
05:31But,
05:32having said this,
05:33what you said,
05:34that if a person is innocent,
05:36they should be freed.
05:37But,
05:38we do not believe in such revengeful acts.
05:39Now,
05:40tell me,
05:41you are saying that,
05:42the judiciary should have done this.
05:43Now,
05:44the judicial system has been reformed in 26th May.
05:45After that,
05:46the face of the judiciary is a little different.
05:47We do not know that,
05:48in which direction,
05:49Justice Yaya Afridi,
05:50will take a decision,
05:51which the Chief Justice,
05:52the proven Chief Justice,
05:53will take.
05:54In your opinion,
05:55will the current judiciary,
05:56take things in some other direction?
05:58No,
05:59look,
06:00the judiciary is the same.
06:01The judges are also the same.
06:02Yes,
06:03in an institutional mechanism,
06:04with consensus,
06:05with political consensus,
06:06we have brought an improvement,
06:08in the segregation of constitutional cases,
06:10in the judicial commission,
06:12in the parliamentarian representation,
06:14we have brought a change in the way,
06:16Chief Justice is appointed,
06:18we have brought an improvement in the institutional mechanism.
06:20But,
06:21What reforms have you brought in the practice and procedure act?
06:23Look,
06:24you know that,
06:25an ordinance has already been issued.
06:26So,
06:27it becomes a permanent law,
06:28when it is taken in one house,
06:29when both the houses are passed.
06:30As is,
06:31ordinance,
06:32Yes,
06:33this is my information.
06:34Yes,
06:35this is my information.
06:36But,
06:37Maulana sir is saying,
06:38the 27th amendment,
06:39I mean,
06:40the 27th will obviously be constitutional.
06:41I don't know.
06:42Which amendment is the 27th?
06:43No,
06:44that is,
06:45look,
06:46the amendment is a separate exercise.
06:47But,
06:48when you talk about the practice and procedure act,
06:49then you will remember,
06:50that a few weeks ago,
06:51I think,
06:52that a practice and procedure ordinance was issued.
06:53So,
06:54definitely,
06:55it is a temporary law.
06:56As is,
06:57or is there any change in it?
06:58According to my information,
06:59as is.
07:00Because,
07:01it is a procedure,
07:02when an ordinance is issued,
07:03it has to be laid,
07:04to houses of parliament,
07:05from where,
07:06when it is passed from both houses,
07:07then it becomes a permanent law.
07:08At a certain time period,
07:09I think 120 days.
07:10But,
07:11which amendment is the 27th,
07:12in Bilal Azhar's house?
07:13No,
07:14Maulana sir has stated this,
07:15so only he can tell.
07:16As is.
07:17Yes,
07:18according to my knowledge,
07:19this is also the case.
07:20Look,
07:21it is possible.
07:22Look,
07:23legislation is a right of the parliament.
07:24But,
07:25till now,
07:26there is no such thing in my knowledge.
07:27But,
07:28definitely,
07:29but you have seen,
07:30for example,
07:31I will give you an example,
07:32that in the last few days,
07:33a law has been passed.
07:34Right.
07:35Now,
07:36if that case goes ahead,
07:37then that will also be a permanent law.
07:38But then,
07:39why would Maulana sir be against it?
07:40We will see that later.
07:41No,
07:42I can tell that better.
07:43Thank you very much,
07:44Bilal sir.
07:45It was a pleasure having you in the program.
07:46Let's go to the break.
07:47We will talk about some legal protection.
07:48And,
07:49we will talk about the legal team of MPTI.
07:50See you after the break.