Everton boss Sean Dyche on Erik Ten Hag sacking, Everton form and Southampton trip
31/10/2024
Finch Farm training centre, Liverpool, UK
31/10/2024
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00:00to come up a bit later. I've got another scan this afternoon, they said prolapsed disc which
00:08I thought it was anyway, so I've had it four times in my lower back. I've got to go and see if they can sort it later on.
00:15Pain in the neck, literally. Rubbish I know, rubbish I know.
00:25Good afternoon everyone, welcome to our pre-match press conference to preview our game against Southampton.
00:31We'll start off with Vinnie from Spice Boys.
00:33Shaun, I just wanted to first of all ask you about, obviously there's going to be a change of manager at Manchester United,
00:38what you've made of that situation and again it goes back to what happened I suppose with the England job as well,
00:43we're not seeing an English manager, head coach linked with that role as well.
00:48Well firstly, people in the game, obviously managers get in the sack, but essentially that's the nature of the business,
00:56we all understand it. I think results haven't gone to their liking of course over a period of time and Man United
01:02certainly have a high demand. I suppose the only thing I would say is I think there's been a fair timescale for the manager
01:10and resources available for such a high regarded manager to get a grip to what it is I suppose.
01:18But like I say, it's hard, it's hard at any level, it's hard spending, not spending money, no money, you've got to win games
01:24and eventually that's what you get judged on. But I wish him well, I'm sure there'll be something else big for him, I know that.
01:31And then secondly, I think we spoke about the England job, I think it's the way the modern game is now.
01:37I don't think even, you know, there's a time maybe when managers have to have a real depth of what they were doing to
01:42almost earn up the ladder of football to get jobs and I think it's changed now. You know, these coaches are coming out of
01:48odd places, maybe not as experienced, not as much depth and all of them sort of things.
01:53And I think that's changed since it was manager rather than, sorry, coach rather than manager.
01:58I think that's a change in how the game's in. I know we discussed this recently that the head coach role is different,
02:04so I don't always think clubs are looking for that depth. Well, that's how it seems, it might not be the case,
02:09but that's the impression I get from looking at the outside in. Whereas, you know, when you look 15 years ago,
02:15it was management, so therefore the managers would probably be considered to have enough knowledge,
02:20to have enough depth of their experience to take maybe a club like Man Utd. So I think that's changed.
02:25I think a lot of the management side of the job has changed now at certain clubs where they're doing all that.
02:31You know, there'll be someone who will do contracts, do the running of the club, do the finances,
02:35everything will be taken away and the manager purely coaches. So I think that's a modern view of what it seems to me,
02:40a modern view of where it's going and possibly where it's at or where it's at first actually and where it might be going.
02:45So we'll have to wait and see. But anyway, back to the point. Sorry, a lot of waffle.
02:50I don't see it as being anything other than trying to get the right person to do the job.
02:53I'm not bothered whether they're English, foreign, doesn't matter to me. It's the right person.
02:56And they've deemed, well, seemingly, they've deemed the right person to do the job and it looks like it's going to be Amaral.
03:01Any thoughts now on how English coaches get that body of work that attracts them?
03:06You've got to get the chance, first of all, and that's hard enough.
03:09Well, if we're using the Premier League as an example, there's only 20 Premier League jobs available.
03:15We've also discussed recently about the amount of foreign ownership.
03:18So therefore that sometimes can slant their views on whether they want a foreign manager or an English manager or British manager.
03:24And you've still got to be good. You've got to know what you're doing.
03:27You've got to be able to produce what people want.
03:30And, you know, often the perception is more important than the facts now.
03:34So you've got to be perceived to be good enough as well, not actually good enough, but just perceived to be good enough.
03:39And that's a change, a radical change I've noticed in the game over the last,
03:43certainly over the last 10 years that I've been in the Premier League.
03:46As you mentioned, ownership, standard question week in, week out.
03:49Yeah, same as it was last week and the week before that.
03:52No contact?
03:53No, no, it's just the same as it is.
03:55And, you know, waiting for things to take place if they're going to.
03:58How do you assess where you're at, though, at the moment?
04:00Three points off Newcastle, Bournemouth and Fulham, four points off Brentford and Spurs, unbeaten in five.
04:07Yeah, I mean, it's a balanced view of the situation.
04:10We didn't make a good start to the season, that was obvious.
04:12A lot of different challenges, which I know from inside the camp, especially injuries.
04:17I did say I thought we were getting players not just fit, but Premier League fit.
04:21And I think that's beginning to show with some of the performances.
04:24I think we were wide of our mark last time out, but we still got a valuable point.
04:29I think the work that the staff, myself put in and the players,
04:34and I think it's beginning to show signs again.
04:36And we've been through this before where challenges come our way and we come through it.
04:39And I think that's an important part of sort of the fabric of what the club has been over the last few years
04:44and what it continues to be at this current time.
04:46And I think that the team have to show that.
04:48And I think we are doing, once again, a tough run without doubt.
04:52Not the results we wanted to start the season with.
04:54And then we slowly sort of begin to grind and play our way out of things.
04:58And we're showing signs of doing that.
05:00And we have done it before.
05:01So we just continue with the progress that we can make.
05:03James Tarkowski said after the Fulham game in his first season here,
05:06if we'd gone down 1-0, we probably wouldn't have come back into that game.
05:10Do you go along with that?
05:11And if so, how much of a positive is that again to take from that result against Fulham?
05:15Well, you try and set the scene.
05:16You try and set the culture and the environment.
05:19And I did mention after the game that relentless attitude towards winning.
05:23You know, I think it can be built over time.
05:26And we've tried to do that.
05:27And we've shown real good signs of it in varying periods.
05:29And there are other signs.
05:30Well, we haven't quite, obviously, even earlier this season.
05:33Well, we haven't seen games through.
05:34And we haven't gone to the last breath of the game, which I will say to the players.
05:38But against the last time out, sorry, we did do that.
05:42We went into that game with a real strong mentality.
05:44We didn't perform well.
05:45But the second half, the relentlessness I preached was on show, I thought,
05:50because the last seven, eight minutes of the game,
05:52we started getting on the front foot, started reacting to the fact they'd scored.
05:55And it was a very positive reaction and found a way to score a goal.
05:58And sometimes, you know, in my experience of the Premier League, I know that's valid.
06:02You know, there are certain teams that I mentioned straight afterwards.
06:05Certain teams, I don't think, well, now and again, you see Pep change their style
06:09at the very end of the game, but not so much.
06:11But most teams have to find a way, and we certainly do, of getting points and wins.
06:15And that's what I try and concentrate on.
06:17So I was pleased with the adaptation we had to show and the players showed to go and get a point.
06:21What difference does a goal like that make for Beto?
06:23I'm not thinking that immediately you think you're going to have to start him the next week.
06:26But at the same time, he's obviously not been scoring regularly.
06:29So for him to have that moment and show the emotion that he did after the game.
06:32It builds belief and confidence, you know, in all players as a team when you're winning.
06:36But strikers, if you're winning or you're getting points from their goals,
06:39it's bound to bring a real good feel factor.
06:44That sense of involvement, sense of being part of it all.
06:48Like all here, he's had his question marks, but he's continuing to learn.
06:51He keeps working hard on the training ground, trained very well again today.
06:54So he's showing signs that he's fit, he's available and he wants to play.
06:58We see an opportunity over the next two games for Everton to really push towards those mid-table spots now as well.
07:03How do you see it, obviously, with Southampton and West Hampton coming for the international break?
07:06Yeah, I mean, you know, still tough games, awkward games, they all are.
07:10Different ways, of course, Southampton fighting for their first win.
07:14Expectation may be changed at West Ham after spending, different manager.
07:19Different challenges in the Premier League.
07:20I think the diversity of the Premier League is part of its magic.
07:24So, yeah, back to us going down there.
07:25We've got to perform, I feel, better than we did in the last game.
07:28But we've equally got to show the same mentality.
07:30The grit and discernment to go down there and play well,
07:32but also have that strong jaw aligned with getting points and getting results and winning games.
07:37And we did that with a lot of, I felt, a lot of good control against Ipswich.
07:42We've got to find that kind of performance level again down at Southampton as a start point or a restart.
07:48Do you owe Southampton one for the cup exit?
07:51I don't think of it like that.
07:52The last one doesn't guarantee the next one.
07:54It's about the clear-mindedness to go down there and deliver a performance.
07:58Just to check on the injury situation.
07:59Obviously, we were training today.
08:01No Dwight McNeil, no James Garner.
08:04How are they?
08:05How far away are they?
08:06Dwight's got a chance.
08:08We're hopeful.
08:09He's done a bit of work with the physio team today, so we're hopeful on him.
08:13Duke has well had a situation, but he's been out there on the grass today.
08:17So we'll see how that reacts tomorrow.
08:19Jimmy Garner is very unfortunate.
08:20He's got a longer-term injury.
08:21I mentioned last week about getting an assessment from the specialists,
08:25and they've advised a period to slow him down again, take him off the grass.
08:28So we're going to have to wait and see on that one.
08:31It's going to be weeks.
08:32It's not going to be days, that's for sure.
08:34It's a back injury that they've just got to be a bit careful with.
08:37It's not aligned with his previous one.
08:39It's just one of those things.
08:41So we're going to have to be careful with it.
08:43But it is going to be a longer period one, not a short one.
08:45When you say weeks, are you looking at more than one month?
08:48Yes, probably more so.
08:51You've got to remember, he's three, three-and-a-half, three to three-and-a-half weeks.
08:54I can't remember the exact day when it sort of occurred.
08:57But that kind of head start, and then from here, a number of weeks.
09:01So it's going to be beyond a month, I'm pretty sure of that.
09:03But we'll see.
09:04We'll see how quickly it settles.
09:05Shame for you, isn't it?
09:06Yes, of course.
09:07And with Tim having a broken stress bone in his foot, that's another challenge.
09:12But two good young midfield players out for us.
09:15Thanks, Vinnie. We'll go to Stuart.
09:17Is there anything more concrete on Armando Breuer as well?
09:20Are you hoping he's going to be available?
09:22Yes, he's working hard.
09:23His stats are good, but he's still with the sports science team.
09:26The crossover will start to occur over maybe even next week,
09:31where he just starts with the light stuff with us
09:33and starts joining warm-ups and possession games
09:35and then builds into a kind of journey back to playing.
09:39But he's been out a fair while, so he will have to have some games in there as well.
09:43With Branthwaite seemingly available,
09:46does the form of Keane and Tarkovski in the back
09:49give you quite a nice selection dilemma?
09:52Yes, and Jake's learning all the time.
09:54Jake's training very well as well.
09:55You know, I want that competitive element across the squad
09:58where we can have it, because we are a bit limited with numbers.
10:00But when we're all fit, then I think there is a very competitive squad.
10:04And I think that's good for them, and particularly in centre half.
10:07Obviously, Jared had a real strong season last season, and with Tarky.
10:10And then Keno's having a strong start to this season and doing well.
10:13And Tarky's being his solid self that he is.
10:15And Jake's also in the pack, because he's shown signs,
10:18particularly through training and his development.
10:21So, it's a good floor, I think.
10:24Obviously, Southampton are the bottom.
10:26It's harder for teams who come up from the Championship to stay up than ever.
10:31Well, I don't know.
10:33It's been a long time since I went up that pathway.
10:37The gap, seemingly, from what I'm told from some of the managers I know in the Championship,
10:42they feel the gap has got bigger, both financially and with the quality levels of the teams
10:48and who can do what.
10:50I'm not exactly sure.
10:53And it depends on what's made at the minute about the parachute money.
10:57If you go down and you're in a position to reinvest,
10:59there's a fair chance if you reinvest well, you're going to be strong.
11:02But some clubs are not in the chance to reinvest.
11:04They have to bring the money in and then balance it all out again.
11:07So, it depends on the situation of the club.
11:10But I would say it's an advantage if you come down,
11:13as long as the club's running on a good level, that you get them parachute payments.
11:17But you've earned the right to be in there in the first place.
11:19So, therefore, you should have an advantage,
11:21because that's the chance to get in the Premier League
11:23and hopefully stay.
11:24And if you don't, you come out of it.
11:26But you're strong again to try and get back in it.
11:28That's the nature of the game.
11:31Hi, Sean. Phil from Radio Merseyside.
11:34On Nathan Patterson, his career at Everton has been pretty stop-start,
11:38often through injury.
11:39Is it time, now that he's back available, back on the bench,
11:42that he gets a bit of a run in the team?
11:44And will it need a bit of patience when he does appear in the first team?
11:47Yes, it's time when he's ready to appear in the first team.
11:50He's had a real, quite serious injury.
11:53He's coming through it. He's working hard to come through it.
11:56I did mention, as he's still a quite young player,
11:59the game period coming out of that long injury
12:01would be of real use to him.
12:04And then getting him to a level when he's ready to compete
12:07and play in the first team.
12:08No-one's holding anyone back here.
12:09If you're ready to play, and you're deemed fit enough
12:11and well enough to play, and your form is good,
12:13then you play.
12:14That side of it's pretty simple.
12:16I just wondered if something that has always intrigued me
12:19about Patterson was Seamus Coleman, for example.
12:22When he started out at Everton,
12:23he had a period of time on the right wing under David Moyes.
12:27Is it something you'd ever consider for Patterson,
12:29given he's quite an attacking full-back?
12:32Yes, I think maybe the players are very specific nowadays.
12:37Players in academies now talk about bringing players
12:40in the No. 6 role, the No. 8 role.
12:42The right-back is a right-back.
12:44I think that kind of open-mindedness is where players
12:47kind of changed a bit, because they're brought in
12:49from such a young age.
12:50One position, I personally don't believe in it.
12:52I think you should be experiencing lots of different positions,
12:55because you do find that a player can play another position.
12:59But a lot of these players are brought in with one position in mind.
13:02The odd one goes into a different position,
13:04but not as many in the old days as was in the old days,
13:07because players could multitask pretty easily, I thought.
13:11Back to the point on Patterson, I think he's more of a right-back.
13:14I think maybe he could do the job on the right side,
13:16but I think it would take him time to develop into that role.
13:20The form has picked up recently.
13:21I imagine confidence for the players has as well.
13:24With that in mind, do you think that you could maybe go
13:27a bit more on the front foot against teams
13:29that maybe are struggling in the division
13:31or maybe in games at Goodison?
13:33You've got to remember you don't deliberately go on the front foot
13:35or deliberately not.
13:36You do it tactically.
13:38If you deem a team to have a lot on the ball
13:41but they don't actually penetrate you,
13:43then that's a tactical decision.
13:45If you deem a team to have a lot on the ball
13:46but you can break that early on in the passenger play,
13:49higher up the pitch, then that's a tactical decision.
13:51It depends on what we decide from analysing the opposition.
13:54It depends on what we decide from our side of things,
13:55what suits us against the opposition.
13:57Inevitably, you've got to do the thing that wins
13:59because when you do that right,
14:00all of you think that we're tactical geniuses.
14:02That's the simplicity of the game.
14:04James Tarkoski mentioned after the game last week
14:06that the team are running more than they did
14:09in the first few games of the season,
14:10which is obviously when the defeats came.
14:13Has it taken longer than you thought it would
14:15for the players to get up to speed fitness-wise?
14:18Yes, but we had so many disjointed weeks in pre-season
14:21which I've documented clearly.
14:24We started off really well, good numbers,
14:27everyone fit, came back really, looked after themselves
14:29and then we lost weeks.
14:31You can lose an odd day, but losing players to two weeks,
14:35ten days, two weeks, three weeks in pre-season.
14:38That work is so important during pre-season.
14:41When you miss it, of course, you go into the season
14:43and then you're playing catch-up all the time.
14:44I think I mentioned at the start of the interview
14:46that I think there's a lot of players here
14:47who were nearly fit and are now getting Premier League fit.
14:50Then your stats improve and if your stats improve
14:52there's a fair chance it correlates with better performances
14:54and therefore better results.
14:56I've been in it a long time in the Premier League
14:58and it's not a perfect analysis,
15:00but it's a pretty solid analysis.
15:03If you're running more than the opposition,
15:04you're pressing more than the opposition
15:06and you're delivering physical performances
15:07more than the opposition,
15:08over time you will win games.
15:10If you can add in quality that I think we have in organisation,
15:13then of course it's a better mixture to get success.
15:16We've been searching for true fitness,
15:18we're still not there yet,
15:19I've mentioned some of the injured players,
15:21but the ones who are fit are getting Premier League fit now
15:23and I think that's showing through the performances.