PMLN Leader Musadik Malik reacts to Increase SC judges from 17 to 25
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00:00The government is going to bring a bill.
00:02There are three important legislations.
00:04Yesterday, a meeting was called for it.
00:06According to the means, the government has to approve
00:08three important bills from the meeting.
00:10The bill on practice and procedure reform
00:12and the bill to increase the number of judges in the Supreme Court
00:14will be presented for approval.
00:16In the Practice and Procedure Act, the head of the INA Bench
00:18will be included in the Judges Committee.
00:20In the Supreme Court, the number of judges
00:22will be increased from 17 to 25.
00:24In the Incident of Terrorism Act, the bill on reform
00:26will also be presented for approval.
00:28Dr. Musadeq Malik, the Deputy Minister of Petroleum
00:30is with us.
00:32Mr. Fawad Chaudhary, the former Deputy Minister of Petroleum
00:34is with us.
00:36The government is going to bring three bills.
00:38The most important bill on which
00:40there has been a discussion for a long time
00:42is another bill in the continuity of the legislation
00:44on justice and judiciary.
00:46The government is going to increase
00:48the number of judges in the Supreme Court
00:50from 17 to 25.
00:52Doctor, what is the need for this
00:54right now?
00:56What are you trying to do?
01:00Do you have a specific objective
01:02behind this legislation?
01:06The main objective is
01:08the pendency.
01:10If you look at the pendency
01:12in different courts,
01:14you will find that you need more judges.
01:16It is not just in the Supreme Court.
01:18In the future,
01:20you will see in the lower courts
01:22where the pendency is more than the Supreme Court.
01:24More judges will be appointed there.
01:28It is a matter of the previous government.
01:30Once,
01:32a case was held
01:34on the 70th or 80th anniversary of a case.
01:36It was 70 years
01:38since Pakistan was formed.
01:40The time I am talking about
01:42is the time of the previous government.
01:44Before Pakistan was formed,
01:46there was a case
01:48whose anniversary was held regularly.
01:50When in the Supreme Court
01:52the 70th, 80th
01:54or 100th anniversary
01:56of the case is celebrated,
01:58you will find
02:00that there is a lot of pendency.
02:02You are more worried about the Supreme Court
02:04because in many high courts
02:06you have not yet appointed judges.
02:08There is a lot of pendency there.
02:10If you are worried about the pendency of cases,
02:12the priority should be
02:14the lower courts.
02:16In Pakistan,
02:18the highest pendency is in the lower courts.
02:20But the target is the Supreme Court.
02:22The focus is the Supreme Court.
02:24There are two different things.
02:28You are giving the impression
02:30that the focus is the target.
02:32It is not the case.
02:34The pendency is everywhere.
02:36I told you in the beginning
02:38that the pendency of other courts
02:40will also be terminated.
02:42The problem is
02:44that the administrative functions
02:46are with the government
02:48but the judicial functions
02:50are with the courts.
02:54The Chief Justices of the High Court
02:56have to play an important role
02:58in increasing the number of judges
03:00in the lower courts.
03:02So, we have to work
03:04with the judiciary
03:06so that the administrative facilities
03:08that we have to provide,
03:10we continue to provide
03:12and increase the number of judges
03:14in the lower courts.
03:16We have to play our role
03:18and the government
03:20has to play its role.
03:24Mr. Musadiq,
03:26the problem of trust in the judges
03:28and the problem of managing
03:30the number of votes
03:32is not a straightforward issue
03:34in Pakistan.
03:36There is a politics
03:38related to the court
03:40and the politics of interference
03:42in the politics of Pakistan.
03:44It is a matter of trust
03:46by expanding the size of the Supreme Court
03:48because the present lot
03:50is not known
03:52where it will go.
03:54Why is this impression coming?
03:56I will present
03:582-3 points in front of you.
04:00First, in my brother's time,
04:02the PIA that had put 4 moons
04:04and the PIA that was running in profit
04:06is in front of you.
04:08Secondly,
04:10if there are more than 17 judges
04:12in the Supreme Court,
04:14then your government
04:16would have done it.
04:18You remember today
04:20that there should have been 13
04:22but there are 17.
04:24This seems very strange.
04:26And if you agree
04:28that the Supreme Court
04:30has a pendency of 50,000 cases,
04:32there are 50,000 cases
04:34and 17 judges.
04:36If the judges increase,
04:38there will be more cases.
04:40I have told you before
04:42that after the 18th amendment,
04:44many decisions of the lower courts
04:46have been devolved and handed over
04:48to the judiciary.
04:50If my brother wants to bring
04:52another amendment to the law
04:54after which this right is given
04:56to the loyal government again,
04:58then we are absolutely present.
05:00You bring it.
05:02Your party is sitting in Parliament
05:04at the moment.
05:06Bring that bill.
05:08Let the courts
05:10come back to the administration
05:12and executive to appoint judges.
05:14One thing is very simple.
05:16This matter is everywhere.
05:18I told you in the beginning
05:20that this matter is very serious
05:22in the lower courts.
05:24Then I told you that
05:26many rights have been given
05:28to the high courts.
05:30I also said that we will work
05:32together with the high courts
05:34to end that pendency.
05:36We will increase the number of judges
05:38and give resources
05:40so that people's cases are solved.
05:42It is not logical
05:44that these cases should not be solved
05:46in the Supreme Court.
05:48There are other places
05:50where the actions of the high courts
05:52are also involved.
05:54We should not do that.
05:56The problem is that
05:58you said you will do it in the lower courts.
06:00We will see what changes
06:02you want to bring in it.
06:04You brought the law
06:06in the Supreme Court.
06:08You brought the practice and procedure bill.
06:10Then you corrected it.
06:12You brought an ordinance.
06:14You changed the method.
06:16Then we saw that the 26th amendment
06:18was brought.
06:20You brought the Supreme Court's
06:22case.
06:24You have done this
06:26very rapidly in the Supreme Court.
06:28It seems that
06:30after managing your case
06:32in the Supreme Court,
06:34you will go to the high courts.
06:36Why do you want to bring the law
06:38in the upper and lower courts?
06:40I am telling you
06:42what I can see.
06:44I am not using words
06:46that have any perpetuation.
06:48I am telling you
06:50that there is a pendency
06:52and the judges are increasing it.
06:54Why are you increasing it?
06:56I am not saying
06:58that you should not increase it.
07:00If you are not saying it,
07:02then it is already settled
07:04that increasing it
07:06will only be beneficial.