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00:00Kaira sahib, Assalam o Alaikum.
00:02Wa Alaikum Assalam.
00:03Sir, the army act that is being amended, there is a lot of criticism on it.
00:07Maulana Fazlur Rahman has called it a civil martial law.
00:10He is putting a black mark on the face of the democracy.
00:13People's Party and Muslim League should take care of it.
00:16Do you think that something should be taken care of, Kaira sahib?
00:20Or is it okay?
00:21You are making it right that for three months,
00:23anyone can be arrested.
00:25There is no one to question.
00:28Kashif sahib, the first thing is that,
00:31has there been a bill table in the assembly?
00:34Yes.
00:36According to my information, there has not been a bill table yet.
00:39As of now, there have been discussions.
00:42Sir, this has been passed by the Kaima Committee.
00:44What?
00:45This has been passed by the Kaima Committee.
00:49People's Party has also given directions to its members to support it.
00:54I am not aware of it.
00:56Honestly.
00:57What can I say about it?
00:59First of all, national security is a serious issue.
01:03We are in another wave of terrorism.
01:06It is true that by making such laws,
01:10these laws are against us.
01:13When these laws were made, they were also used against us.
01:16Terrorism law or extremism law,
01:19whatever it was, it was used against us.
01:22It often happens that it is also used against its political opponents.
01:26So this is the threat that is being expressed right now.
01:29One minute.
01:30That you are only passing this threat to politicians.
01:33Kashif, listen to me.
01:36If we do not make a law in the face of this threat,
01:42will it be able to solve the issues?
01:45Didn't you give permission to your agency for some time before this?
01:50When Pakistan was in a very difficult situation,
01:53bombs were exploding every day.
01:55Were such laws not made?
01:57How many of them were misused?
01:59Now this is an issue that should be stopped from being misused.
02:02But if the law is not made,
02:04how will we prevent it?
02:06From where will we prevent it?
02:07Mr. Khaira, let's listen to you.
02:08My issue is this.
02:09HRC, PNV.
02:10There are some conditions in Pakistan.
02:12In this, you can make any law.
02:14But you know that the law will be abused.
02:17That law will be misused.
02:19Mr. Khaifa was talking about this.
02:21And Mr. Maulana has said that this was stopped in the 26th amendment.
02:25Yes.
02:26I said that laws were used against us.
02:29But the question is that today,
02:31keeping that past experience in front of us,
02:34we should not make laws even under the circumstances,
02:36that they will be used against us.
02:38Today there is a vibrant media.
02:40Today the courts are working in their place.
02:41Sir, despite this vibrant media,
02:43let me tell you which people are missing.
02:45Kashif, this is true.
02:46One minute, listen to me.
02:47We were talking about the waiting period.
02:49No one knows where you have been for 22 days.
02:51Anyway, that was an exaggeration.
02:53Kashif, wait.
02:54The question is,
02:55this is one angle that you are talking about.
02:58Now come to the other side.
03:00Your agencies,
03:01your security agencies,
03:03police, and other investigators are coming.
03:05They catch a person.
03:06The court says,
03:07go and get the evidence.
03:08Under regular law.
03:09You will say, I will say,
03:10the court will say,
03:11the lawyer will also say.
03:12From where will you get the evidence?
03:14You will catch the person immediately.
03:16Do your agencies have this capacity?
03:18Didn't this happen all over the world?
03:20Didn't this happen in America?
03:21Where there is a lot of capacity,
03:23even before the investigation,
03:25even before the arrest.
03:27Sir, but now you will say,
03:28the decision to go from 17th to 34th is also right.
03:30Judges are needed.
03:31But you also know that
03:33the Constitutional Bench is being formed
03:35because of politics.
03:36The number of judges is increasing because of politics.
03:38But who will believe?
03:39No one will say that
03:40this has been done because of TV.
03:42Kashif, wait.
03:44Absolutely.
03:45All this is happening because of politics.
03:47And it should happen because of politics.
03:49And what else?
03:50It should happen through an authoritative government.
03:52Politics has to decide what happens in the country.
03:54And sir, politics doesn't have to decide
03:56how we have to lower the court.
03:58Politics has to decide
04:00how the institutions in this country
04:02will work with their freedom.
04:04This is not the way.
04:05Sir, this is the way.
04:06Mr. Khaira, this is the way.
04:07What other way is there?
04:08Now let me give my argument.
04:10Let the argument be null and void.
04:12My question is,
04:15the number of judges is increasing
04:17and amendments are being brought.
04:19This is the work of the political people.
04:21The political parties have to do it.
04:23This is a political platform,
04:24the National Assembly and the Senate.
04:26Sir, don't think that
04:28my majority is over,
04:30so increase the judges.
04:32In your opinion, this is bad.
04:34No, no, I am not saying this is bad.
04:36Sir, there is an intention to make a law.
04:38You are questioning the intention.
04:40I have accepted your opinion for a moment
04:42and I have accepted that this intention is bad.
04:44Okay.
04:45Despite this, does the majority of the Assembly
04:47have this right or not?
04:48The court has no right to lower it.
04:50Sir, may I?
04:51Who said no?
04:52I am telling you,
04:53your amendment says
04:54trichotomy of power,
04:55the right to free the court,
04:57and the amendment of your decision.
04:59Kashif, don't do this.
05:00Kashif, this doesn't work forcefully.
05:02This is a law.
05:04And tomorrow someone will come and make a bench
05:06and have 10 judges and say
05:07all the decisions will be made by him
05:08and then you will make noise.
05:09I don't care.
05:10Okay.
05:11This is not the question.
05:12I am coming, BB.
05:13One second.
05:14I am saying that
05:15will the law run on your will
05:16or will it run on the Assembly's will?
05:17Let it run, sir.
05:18Let it run.
05:19If the Assembly has made an amendment
05:20according to a procedure,
05:21then you criticize it
05:22and attack the opinion polls.
05:23How can you say
05:24that the Assembly does not have the power
05:26and does not have the right?
05:27They have the right.
05:28They have the right.
05:29No, no.
05:30What right?
05:31Sir, you are talking about
05:32the supremacy of the Assembly.
05:34This is what I believe.
05:36Or the framers of the Assembly
05:38can say that
05:39the Assembly is as supreme
05:40as the framers of the Assembly.
05:42You cannot say that
05:43the court is over
05:44and there will be no Supreme Court
05:45in this country from tomorrow.
05:46The Parliament is supreme.
05:47You cannot say that.
05:48I am saying.
05:49I am saying.
05:50Or you can say
05:51that they will run the government
05:52for 10-20 years
05:53or the government will be unified.
05:54You cannot say that
05:55because of which
05:56the Supremacy of the Assembly
05:57Sir, I am being told to take a break.
05:58I will come back after the break.