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00:00Hey, keep you ready for a Patriots playoff push. I didn't think that I was but here we are
00:07The AFC is down Jones AFC is down. It's vulnerable. Would you say the AFC is vulnerable?
00:13AFC is vulnerable like a wounded animal. Yeah, not to give you that image this early in the day
00:17But yeah, like a wounded animal. Yeah, I got a sideswiped by a car not full-on bleeding out
00:22No, no, not not dead on arrival around bleeding out limping around
00:27Possum guts hanging out, but still going we all know where it's headed. Yeah, but it's not there yet. No, no, no
00:34No, well, shout out to the parlay princess. She was on the Patriots a
00:38Playoff math yesterday. It's your playoffs. Yes. She was Jim Mora. She was all over it
00:43She was saying like what about the playoffs and you're like, there's three and seven
00:46There's three and seven. So however, here's the thing
00:49I don't think any of us and we're not as bold as the parlay princess when it comes to the bed
00:54But I don't think any of us are a wagering
00:57Let me know if I'm wrong about that keep wagering on the Patriots making the playoffs
01:01No, I still have them under four and a half Joe
01:03But you do look at it. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's not as laughable as it was two weeks ago
01:08It's the Denver Broncos at five and five with a rookie quarterback in a very very very untalented office
01:14Do you not believe you don't believe they're five and five just he almost beat he almost outdueled Patrick Mahomes
01:20They almost won the game Bo Nix put his team in a spot
01:24To be a 35-yard field goal from a very reliable Will Lutz away
01:29From handing the Kansas City Chiefs their first loss in the thin air in the thin air
01:33Yeah, and it got blocked. It wasn't meant to be some say it was rigged. Some say it was scripted
01:38Some say the Kansas City Chiefs get all the breaks. So Bo Nix put him in a spot to win
01:44I just fact-check myself that wasn't in the thin air. I can't city. I was trying to make it sound better
01:48Almost went into that house of horrors. That is Arrowhead Stadium. That's
01:53So it's Denver at five and five the Colts and Bengals are at four and six Cincinnati probably feels like the scariest team there
02:00Yeah, Indianapolis is a fraud team and you face them, correct?
02:04They suck you get Indy head-to-head good point
02:06and so then you have the Dolphins Jets Patriots all on a tier at three wins and
02:12We've gone over the Patriots schedule at various points
02:15Yeah, but real quick. It ain't daunting. No, it really isn't. I mean it is two with Buffalo, but
02:21How funny is did you ever imagine the week one win over Cincinnati could potentially be a tiebreaker?
02:29Wow in all the
02:31Areas already not your win head-to-head against the Bengals you the head-to-head Bengals when you got the Colts coming up
02:36You got Miami again. You could split with Miami
02:38Yeah, you can't you can't sweep that series, but you could split with Miami already split with the Jets
02:42You already split with the Jets who I mean, I know they have the same record. I think they are
02:46Arrow pointing down not to give away to your Tuesday coming up
02:50But I would say of all the bad teams some are arrow pointing up some are arrow pointing down
02:55Patriots look a lot better than the New York Jets
02:58I know they're that random win over the Texans, but they still seem like an absolute disaster of a team
03:03But yeah
03:04I think that's the thing is you look at the teams that are that are ahead of the Patriots you even look at the team
03:09Like the Denver Broncos who are currently a playoff team and with seven games to go like how confident are even Denver fans?
03:17That they're gonna hold on to that spot. I can't imagine very I would say not and so
03:21Your next two opponents are the teams that played on Monday night football last night the Dolphins on the Rams the Dolphins won
03:26Yeah, that was not a great
03:29Aesthetically pleasing game so either of those teams look like a team the Patriots can't compete against definitely not so I'm not saying they're gonna
03:35Win both those games, but those are not
03:38Like laughable games that they could be in and possibly steal, and then it's the Colts after that
03:44So I see dubs 985 in the twitch chat twitch.tv slash Boston
03:48We I they go from talking about the number one overall pick yeah to talking about the playoffs your heads gonna spin
03:54Yeah, we are the spongebob meme look we want it. We want to cover all bases here Keith
04:00We want it. We want to cover everything. Yeah, right dad right down the middle on Jones and Kiefer's all right
04:04Let's play that game right from the twitch more likely number one pick playoffs
04:10Number one pick yes
04:12More likely I would agree with that, but we're just we're just laying out
04:15Okay, they're one game out of the number one pick there two games out of a playoff spot
04:19Yeah, no right that like I mean it's not it's not crazy to talk about the playoffs. It's more likely
04:23They're gonna have the number one pick. It's more likely. They're they're gonna win four or five games
04:27It's a minus money on the over, but the win total still four and a half so like what's more likely duh
04:33But they're only two games out of a playoff spot that that's math. No. This is also exactly what the NFL wants
04:38This is exactly what?
04:40Roger Goodell, this is exactly what all of the owners want they love parody
04:46They don't love the Patriots or the Chiefs just beating everybody every single week like I think they'll talk that up
04:51And they'll hype that up, but they love the idea of
04:53Teams being in it all your round right and like your team all your team sucked last year guess what you can be a playoff
04:58Team the next year or even as the season is going on three and seven is a horrible record
05:03And you should not be talking about playoffs, but they added that playoff team
05:08Three years ago whenever it was they added another wild card team
05:11And there's always a bad team that wins a bad division every year, so there's oh
05:15It's not like 11 wins makes the playoffs every year like you can grind your way in with nine wins
05:20Here's the fact there's a fact give me a give me a fact a crappy team like Denver
05:25Miami Cincinnati
05:27The Jets Patriots Brown like a team like that is going to make the playoffs because there's an extra playoff spot the fact of the
05:33Day, yes, it might be all right. I'll save it for a Jones key on Friday
05:37I like it so look the Bengals are the most talented team at all those teams the Patriots won head-to-head
05:42Yeah, it's won that game head-to-head
05:44so a
05:45Crappy team like that is going to make the postseason that that's just a fact it's kind of math
05:49And so why can't the Patriots be that crappy team it is kind of similar to?
05:53The Red Sox in a way when we were looking at it be like you don't really you don't need to win 90 games like
05:58You can win like 86 87 games find your way into the playoffs and then now the difference here is I don't think you can
06:04Get in and then go on like this magical like that who cares. That's no exactly who cares is right like just
06:10find your way into the playoffs and
06:13Similar to the Red Sox we're like hey
06:14Can you at least be playing meaningful games in September like can the Patriots play meaningful games in?
06:20December or are we gonna be sitting here Thanksgiving being like they're eliminated. It's they're already mathematically eliminated, okay, right?
06:26So can they make it past their bye we can be playing important games against Arizona and Buffalo
06:31Yeah, yeah
06:33Play with the the games on the schedule right now the Rams suck they lost last night
06:38I thought they were turning it around apparently not and they got to come here on a short week
06:42West to east on a short week on the road, so would you say that's a good?
06:47That's a good spot to catch the Rams is all I would say it's not predicting a win
06:49But that's a good spot to get them not to pour
06:52Gallons and gallons of water on this small spark. That is don't you don't do it gallons and gallons Keith. I'm really ask you this
07:00Do they need can they afford to have one more loss is that what it is do you have to do you have to go?
07:07Six and one the rest of the way to make no you think they need ten wins. No. They're three right now, so six
07:13I'm so bad about
07:17You're saying they need to go seven
07:19I'm saying I don't know. I don't know either. Well last I know the game felt good against Chicago
07:24Yeah, we do know you had them at ten and one already a good point
07:28I think I think I think that's don't love them after they get the nine wins
07:31They probably need to get some nine eight gets in this year. I think so they can screw around with one more loss all right
07:37So I love this conversation, and they are closer
07:40But hang on but the Bengals are in the same boat the Bengals can lose two games the rest of the year
07:44I think the Bengals probably yeah, okay, and they're in a way. They're in a way tougher division. What's their schedule look like?
07:49I'll tell you exactly what it looks like
07:51Chargers Steelers Cowboys hang on Chargers Steelers, but it both could easily be losses Dallas Dallas, Tennessee
07:58Cleveland win-win-win
08:00Denver Denver Pittsburgh yeah, they have a harder schedule than Pat's but could they lose two games
08:04Oh, but then you know what Pat's have the
08:07Have the head to head. Thank you. Although two are they gonna split with Buffalo
08:11I feel like the only way they split with Buffalo the Patriots is if let me tell you beyond beyond the text
08:17I'm sorry to interrupt beyond. Oh, please chastising me for my bad math
08:23Most of the texts are saying eight nines gonna get you in so they're I mean the text line does three seven nine
08:27You guys think eight nine get here you go eight nine gets you in the AFC this year
08:32It gets you the seven seed if you're eight and nine this year
08:34He said how many Giants or Seahawks teams are seven and nine going to the playoffs blah blah blah so maybe real quick last
08:39year
08:40You lap is a different year Keefe. I understand last year
08:45Ten wins were needed to make the AFC playoffs nine were needed to make the NFC play okay
08:50So I don't know if we've looked to be safe if you go six and one your your playoff team
08:54So yeah, if you lose the second game you're putting yourself in jeopardy even the year before it was nine for both conferences
09:00So since they've expanded the field
09:04Nine it really I don't think we've seen an eight and nine team get in the playoffs yet
09:07It really really highlights not going for two against Tennessee. Did you beat Tennessee you said yesterday?
09:12It really highlights the the folly and not going for two because if you go for two and you get it you're on a three
09:17Game win streak and you have more margin for error or starting Drake may week one
09:20But we don't need to go over that
09:23No, but in all seriousness if they just play it the way that they've played it with the personnel that they've had and you split
09:30The two overtime games like you lost both overtime games
09:33And if this thing comes down to a game or two games like you're gonna look back
09:39At those so like as much credit as they get for and so your bad Bears team beating a banged-up bad Jets team
09:45Man, it was right there
09:46It's so true Seahawks and not starting Drake may could wind up costing you a playoff spot depending on how the team finishes
09:52Not going for two against Tennessee could wind up costing you a playoff spot
09:56You know screwing up Jacoby percent taking a sack against Seattle, which I guess ties back into Drake May
10:01Yeah could cost you a playoff spot now look you can do that with every single team just about in the NFL and play that
10:06Game, but these are the decisions they made and they're coming back to bite them
10:09If if the arrow is indeed pointing up down the stretch texter says I love you guys appreciate that
10:15Yeah, but what are we talking about this Pat's team sucks bright future with May, but they suck so fair all that is fair
10:22Yeah, but a sucky team's making the play correct. No. That's where I go
10:25Yeah, they expanded the playoff field so almost half the league makes the playoffs. Do you think there are 14 Super Bowl contenders?
10:32How no when we do tears every week how many are on the top even the top two tiers?
10:39Don't have 14 teams in them, so there are playoff teams that are like middle or lower
10:45So yeah, nobody's arguing the Patriots are gonna like go on a run
10:50But could they play meaningful games down the stretch and could they weasel their way into the last spot?
10:54I think it's worth talking about I'm not betting on it. No, but I think it's it's it's oh, it's the
11:00it's there only because
11:03They've gone on it like they've won two out of three
11:05Let's not throw a parade
11:06But everybody around them to me is sort of what speaks to it the AFC is worse this year than we ever could have imagined
11:12people thought that
11:15Miami was gonna be good, but they haven't been people thought me included, New York was gonna be good. They're not
11:21Cincinnati has not been good the freaking Cleveland Browns
11:25They've been bad like there's so many bad teams. I think I had Cleveland in the playoffs
11:29I had the Jets in the Super Bowl so like
11:33It's worse yeah, but I mean the really the Jaguars Raiders Titans
11:38it was supposed to be like those three awful teams and the
11:42Patriots you thought was gonna be like sort of that bottom group and everybody else competing for it
11:45The reality is like it is pretty much
11:48There's a ton of the half the half the conference has four or fewer wins look phone lines open six one seven seven seven nine
11:54Seven ninety three seven is this a stupid discussion the Patriots could be a playoff team or is it the best discussion?
11:59You've ever are you happy to be talking about the Patriots as not just a bottom tier worst of the worst?
12:04Which they may be at least emerging out of that group whether they're a playoff team or not
12:07Are you happy to be talking about the Patriots emerging out of the worst of the worst or do you still want him to
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12:31We'll get to a lot on the show Bill Belichick lengthy lengthy. I think
12:37Discussion about Drake May yesterday
12:40No, I have a very complimentary
12:42He is Drake may also appeared on wei afternoons discussed his leadership race on the New England Patriots
12:48We'll get to the Red Sox. They're in on one Soto Keefe interest case. They're back
12:55That's true, so we'll get to that as well on a tier Tuesday, which will do it 1120
13:01Yeah, a Tommy Tuesday. Uh-huh, which will do it. Hi noon. Oh, we got keeper madness at 1245
13:07Loaded show, you know, it's funny. Everybody's favorite
13:11Somebody said right there. I think they're on it. This is a list a good listener to the show
13:14I see where the positivity is coming from. It's a D Angelo's Tuesday. Wow. Can we track that actually? Let's track
13:20Are we more positive on Tuesday? I would venture. Yeah, we come in on Mondays a miserable day. Anyway, it's the first day
13:25Oh, I hate Mondays. I'm Garfield. I'm
13:28I'm still nursing my hangover from two days before I'm hammered, you know, I just like Mondays are terrible. And so okay
13:35To are we positive because it smells like steak and cheese it out there
13:40But they're probably making it okay, I can smell it all the way are we more positive on at the Angeles Tuesday?
13:45Yes, we probably are. Yeah, why wouldn't you be? I don't know bring it fed. We're gonna eat like kings later
13:50It's true. So that's later on in the program. All that comes your way with your phone calls
13:54What why is the AOC down if we had to kind of handicap it? What why is the AOC so bad this year?
13:59Good question. I think part of it is the quarterbacks meaning
14:04Tua got hurt so that kind of knocked Miami out of it
14:07Aaron Rodgers has not bounced back from the injury that knocks New York out of it and Deshaun Watson was the worst quarterback in the
14:13League that knocked Cleveland out of it because those are three kind of contending teams like Kansas City Buffalo and Baltimore are probably as advertised
14:19So it's still that top trio of teams that look like real Super Bowl contenders
14:24And then the Texans even though they lead the division they've taken a little step backwards
14:28So I think if you add up all those things that to me is why the AFC looks the way it does
14:32yeah, and
14:34if I also thought the Bengals were
14:36I think I think it's almost purely about the Bengals if the Bengals were what we expected
14:41I think they were another seven and three bigger
14:44We look at the AFC and go, okay, that's pretty much what we handicapped
14:46Like the number seven spot is up for grabs ish, but it pretty much be what we handicapped
14:52I think it's almost purely about the Bengals underachieving the two injuries a fair one to those other ones
14:56I really think like didn't going into the year. We thought the AFC East was gonna be like a murderer's row
15:02Yeah, and that's just the bills
15:04It's just the bills. Yeah, two teams played themselves out of it
15:07Also after like week one I started sounding the alarm about well
15:09You didn't like the Jets as much as I did, but we both thought the Dolphins were better
15:12I was I haven't yet. It might have been week two
15:14I'm sorry
15:14I think that cuz to it got hurt week two and you're like all of a sudden the division looks like that's it
15:18It's in play, which is wrong
15:19I mean the Bills are running away with it
15:21But those other two teams you knew pretty early the Jets and the Dolphins weren't gonna be what you thought
15:26So yeah, I mean Rogers puking on himself the Jets being a mess to a getting hurt the Bengals
15:32Not wanting to pay anybody. They are probably has them halfway checked out knowing Zack Taylor's gonna get fired
15:38That's why the AFC is down a little bit
15:40But the top of it is still as good as ever Pittsburgh's in there, which is where's the surprise?
15:43But the other three Casey Buffalo Baltimore even Houston having lost two in a row. It's really only one bad loss
15:49You lose to Detroit. I don't like how they lost
15:52Detroit you can wrap your head around that and Chargers are kind of quiet
15:56Like that's a team that's gonna be a playoff team. Most of the AFC is kind of how you expected
15:59The bottom though is just so bad. No, and you detailed all the bad quarter
16:03Oh, they stink and cuz yeah, that is it's such a huge difference because you had like four or five teams
16:07He thought fighting for that next spot
16:09and if one of them emerged and was also seven and three you'd be like if she's good couple teams, but
16:17All of them kind of had something go wrong
16:18And that's why it'll be curious to see how many wins it takes to get that that final playoff spot
16:24do you think and I kind of push back on this normally because
16:28We just lived at the top of the NFL for two decades and we're like, oh god the NFL sucks
16:33It's the Patriots and nobody else the NFL stinks. It's terrible blah blah blah. I
16:37Largely push back on that, but I do think this year the NFL kind of stinks. I agree
16:41There's so many two and three wins. I don't know that I've ever seen that before ten weeks into the year
16:46Yeah, there's so many I think you have ten two and three win teams. Is that right?
16:49Yeah, so the NFL at least at the maybe the NFL isn't down but the bottom of the league is as bad as it's been
16:55yeah, no, I agree and there's been some just
16:58Horrible games this year and I know the Patriots have played a bunch of those
17:02But even how many it's 11 two or three win teams
17:05But how many times have we come in on Monday and been like, yeah those four o'clock games sucks
17:08like so you watch the Patriots lose or you know win and then you sit and watch sit down watch the four o'clock game whether
17:15I think you know the Cowboys being on TV all the time and being horrible that kind of plays a factor in it
17:21But yeah, there are so many bad teams teams have fired coaches already teams have fired coordinators. Oh, by the way
17:27Shane Waldron out nine games. See you later. You're done. Do we get the answer?
17:32He made it further or the same amount as Luke gets I think they both coached nine games nice nine games
17:37You hire an officer so Alex and Peltz like doing pretty well doing pretty great
17:41We're not the offensive coordinator power rankings. How bad is that offensive coordinator tears?
17:45Yeah, we could maybe next there's a few interims
17:49But yeah, there's been yeah, the league has been pretty rough this year
17:53Like so many times. There's just like a trash game. Maybe even on Prime's like last night's game
17:58It's not a great game to watch awful and you're like man. I mean the jokes on me
18:02I'm watching all these games but more off I would say more often than not. It's kind of a bad product
18:08Yeah, because we're betting on it. We're playing fantasy on it or just rooting for your team's like we're addicted to it
18:14But over overall, it's not been great. So the NFL's down the AFC is down
18:18Yeah, can the Patriots worm into the playoff picture have they already wormed into it?
18:22They're only two games out six one seven seven seven nine seven ninety three seven you can discuss there
18:27I think something we can all agree on these next three games can decide a lot
18:30They're all wind up bull doesn't mean the Patriots are gonna win them all but the Rams Dolphins you watch them both last night
18:36Neither team is a cut above the Patriots
18:38I don't think and then the Colts who might be starting Anthony Richardson or a Flacco who's breaking down?
18:43I like Joe Flacco, but it's not working right now in Indy. Those are your next three games
18:47You take advantage of those you will be firmly in the playoff mix