La Cámara de Casación, máxima instancia penal, evaluará si ratifica la condena a seis años de prisión e inhabilitación para cargos públicos impuesta a Cristina Fernández en diciembre de 2023. Aunque se espera que la condena sea confirmada, no implica que Fernández vaya a prisión inmediatamente, ya que su defensa probablemente apelará ante la Corte Suprema. El contexto económico y político también es parte del debate actual en Argentina.
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00:00I ask you, we are working live, what is going to happen today?
00:02Well, it is the House of Representatives, the highest criminal court of justice,
00:05that is going to ratify or not Cristina's sentence.
00:08Remember that in December 2023 she was sentenced to six years in prison
00:12and disqualification to exercise public office.
00:15I think there is not so much surprise with what is going to happen.
00:18I don't know, Carlos, how do you see it?
00:20But I think this sentence is going to be ratified, this is going to happen.
00:23What it doesn't mean is that Cristina is going to go to jail,
00:26neither now nor in the medium term.
00:28When I was listening to you before about the firm sentences,
00:30it is still a sentence that needs one more instance,
00:32because surely the defense is going to appeal to the Supreme Court
00:35and there we have to see what is going to happen.
00:37Then you have Ornos, Buriski, Borretavenia.
00:40Exactly.
00:41Yesterday Cristina communicated a kind of note that she presented on her social media,
00:45talking about the drinks of Comodoro Pi.
00:47Strong message, five carillas, the letter she wrote.
00:50The truth is that today, if they ratify the six-year sentence, Cristina is not going to jail.
00:54Then, if the Supreme Court ratifies within a long time,
00:57she is 70 years old.
00:59Therefore, if there comes a time when there is a firm sentence
01:03on her house, with house arrest,
01:05in case it exists.
01:06It is also very likely, Carlos, that it is in the case that she wants to be a candidate,
01:10because also what the Pro did was to ask for a special session
01:13for next week to deal with the issue of clean record, right?
01:16It is something that could be approved these days.
01:19First the House of Representatives, then senators, then everything has a direct issue.
01:23And they get a clean record after they cleaned the Macri file, for example.
01:26A wonder.
01:27Well.
01:27I think it's the way, right?
01:28It seems to me that...
01:29I am not a Christian, not much less,
01:31but it seems to me that the way is to let her compete.
01:33Because Cristina today is the strongest political picture of the opposition.
01:36Like it or not.
01:37I think they are going to let her.
01:38It is convenient for them, in my opinion.
01:39No, but apart from that, they should let her compete in case they want to do it.
01:41Yes.
01:42I mean, like it or not.
01:43That would be democratic.
01:45Today, obviously.
01:45If not, it would be a prescription.
01:46That's why.
01:47Even if they don't like it.
01:48It wouldn't be...
01:49I think it wouldn't be democratic to let her compete.
01:51First, apart from the fact that the law allows her to compete,
01:54because even if the marriage, which I think will confirm the penalty of six years,
01:57and the inability to show up,
02:00or that they want to prescribe her,
02:02that will have to go to the Supreme Court,
02:03and the Supreme Court, we know, takes its time.
02:05Let's be attentive.
02:06I want to take advantage of Sergio Berni.
02:08Thank you for coming.
02:09Thank you for your time.
02:10We have had many opportunities here,
02:11and it is a pleasure to be able to hear your point of view.
02:14Much is said about the economy of our country,
02:15and little is said about security,
02:17and I think that the cases do not go hand in hand with the supposed numbers that are being counted today.
02:22How are you? Good morning.
02:23Good morning. Welcome.
02:24First of all, I don't want to leave the court case wet,
02:28because I think it is a clear example of what Argentine justice is.
02:32I think it is enough to analyze any person of law who has analyzed the file in which we are discussing.
02:41There is not a single cause for which Cristina should be sentenced.
02:45There is not a single one.
02:47The expertise indicates that everything is well done.
02:50The expertise indicates that the price is fair.
02:55But what is worse, she is accused of a crime that she could never have committed.
03:00These are crimes of impossible fulfillment.
03:02Why?
03:03Because her rank as president makes it impossible for her to carry out the crimes for which she is accused.
03:10Sorry, Sergio, just in case people don't remember what the cause was.
03:14It was her directing public works,
03:16the Santa Cruz for the Arobades, for his companies.
03:19She?
03:20She, of course.
03:21What is it called directing?
03:24No, here it is clear.
03:26It is facilitating.
03:27What she says is impossible for me.
03:29He was the only businessman who was paid for all the works he had to present.
03:32That's a lie.
03:33No, no, that's a probable cause.
03:34No, no, that's a lie.
03:35Point number one.
03:36In each province, especially in the field of public works,
03:42in each province there is a company that belongs to that province, and for logical reasons.
03:47Let's see, no company, I'm not saying from Jujuy,
03:51no company from Buenos Aires is in a position to compete with a company from Santa Cruz
03:56because it is a road structure.
03:58The road structure needs tremendous logistical support.
04:02Do you know what it is to move a top of Buenos Aires to Santa Cruz?
04:08A motorbike leveler, and it is not a top or a motorbike leveler.
04:12The prices could not compete if someone wants to leave another province.
04:15It has to take all the technical staff, the administrative staff.
04:19Is that the justification for which they gave the works to Lázaro Bávez?
04:21No, no, no, they did not give it to him.
04:23It was a bid and he won it.
04:25It's not that they told him, the work is given to Lázaro Bávez.
04:28Let's not deny that there are crimes against Lázaro Bávez too, that's why he was arrested, he was convicted.
04:31They are two different things.
04:33It's not minor, right?
04:35What is going to be defined today.
04:37We are not talking about Lázaro Bávez.
04:39We are talking about a conviction in a case where there is no crime, a crime of impossible compliance.
04:44And besides, all the evidence presented and all the tests done,
04:48including the actors presented by the accused parties,
04:53they recognize that there is no overpricing or no...
04:57So, it's a shame and it's...
04:59Because Cristina is not due for forgiveness.
05:01And that is transferable to what society is asking me.
05:05To anger.
05:06To what is happening in the functioning of justice.
05:08Today we have a serious security problem,
05:11where the main actor in terms of responsibility is still justice.
05:16So, when we want to analyze why we have the criminal problems we have,
05:22we have to observe justice.
05:25And it seems to me that what we are seeing today in Cristina's failure
05:28is a clear example of how badly justice works.
05:33Or how justice works according to its temporary needs in terms of political issues.
05:39It is not structural, nor is it in the background.
05:41Inequality is getting bigger and bigger.
05:43This is another thing.
05:45Now we enter into criminal matters.
05:47Of course, inequality...
05:48Look, it is impossible to generate security policies outside of a social inclusion plan.
05:55We don't say it, all the studies say it.
05:58And the office that has the most experience,
06:01and that has collected the most data,
06:03and that has written the most in this matter,
06:06is the United Nations.
06:07It has an office called UNDOC,
06:09where all the studies that have been done,
06:12especially in South America, Brazil,
06:14countries where there was a high and low flow of income per capita,
06:19show that in all the countries where GDP falls,
06:23crime is automatically shot.
06:26With the difference that when that GDP recovers,
06:29crime takes a long time to fall again.
06:31Why did that happen?
06:32To make it clear, why is that happening?
06:34The numbers of the economy are supposed to go up,
06:37and everyone celebrates,
06:38and you don't see...
06:39Where is it?
06:40Well, they are getting better.
06:41Well, let's see, did inflation go down?
06:44Yes, of course, inflation went down.
06:46I believe that the government of my law has a characteristic.
06:49It has policies that are focused,
06:52that are extremely effective,
06:55but extremely inefficient.
06:57For example, the case of inflation.
06:59Is its policy of lowering inflation effective?
07:01Yes, of course, it lowered it.
07:02Of course it lowered it.
07:03Now, it is extremely inefficient.
07:06Why?
07:07Because the damage it did to lower inflation
07:10ends up generating just this.
07:12What does this mean?
07:13The damage refers to unemployment,
07:15layoffs.
07:16Imagine that I have a fly flying here, right?
07:18If a fly comes, one can't get it out,
07:20another can't get it out.
07:21You tell me, Sergio, can you get it out?
07:23Yes, of course.
07:24I come here, I put two kilos of trout
07:26and the fly flies away.
07:28The fly went away.
07:29It was effective.
07:30Yes, of course it was effective.
07:31You don't have social sensitivity.
07:33I destroyed the study,
07:35I left you unemployed,
07:36I left the camera unemployed.
07:38This is what is happening with lowering inflation.
07:40Lowering inflation,
07:41turning off the engine of the economy,
07:43is not a merit.
07:44I reduce two points to poverty too, right?
07:46What?
07:47I reduce two points to poverty.
07:49From 50 to 48.
07:51Well, not yet.
07:52Data, I'm not giving an opinion,
07:54it's statistical data.
07:55Yes, yes.
07:56It's reducing...
07:57Statistical data of the official government.
07:58But based on what?
07:59On the fall of the dollar,
08:00to continue to maintain a cheap dollar
08:02that is attentive to national production,
08:04a dollar that is generating the conditions
08:07to reopen importation.
08:09Let's not forget that we already saw this.
08:11We saw it, we are going through.
08:13The first government of Miley,
08:15the second government of Macri
08:17and the third government of Menem.
08:19We already know how this ends.
08:21There is no need to be a specialist
08:23at Harvard in economics to know...
08:25Because they are repeating themselves, right?
08:27They are giving all the conditions,
08:31all the conditions to generate destruction
08:34of national production,
08:36destruction of employment
08:38and above all,
08:39the alienation of the strategic heritage of the nation.
08:43That is a terrible issue.
08:45Because the rest, more or less,
08:47excuse me,
08:48the rest, more or less,
08:50with all that it can recover.
08:52Now, the strategic heritage of the nation
08:54is no longer recovered.
08:56And those strategic heritages,
08:58which are telecommunications,
09:00which are the Argentine nuclear plan
09:02and which is the lithium triangle,
09:05because let's not forget that recently
09:07the head of the South Cone of Defense was here
09:13and said that the development of lithium
09:16in the triangle between Argentina, Paraguay,
09:18between Argentina, Bolivia and Chile
09:20is strategic for the United States.
09:22So, those strategic resources today,
09:25my law,
09:26and it was very clear when I called Trump
09:28to tell him, after winning,
09:30count on Argentina
09:32so that the United States can fulfill its objectives.
09:35I want to get in the middle, Sergio.
09:37I want to try,
09:38because I also said it in other opportunities
09:40and today I repeat it,
09:41I say, so many flies cannot be wrong.
09:43So, what can this government have of good
09:47so that there are people who are still banking it?
09:49And why not, my law,
09:50I ask Trump,
09:51how is it done to protect the industry
09:53since he admires it so much?
09:54But apart from that,
09:55forgive me,
09:56I want to go back to something.
09:57Many governments did nothing
09:59to fight drugs.
10:01To the boys today who are 13 years old
10:03with Paco going out to steal
10:05and steal without being aware that they can kill.
10:07That does not come with my idea.
10:09That is a totally different topic.
10:11But I want to take advantage of you,
10:12I want to get into everything.
10:14Insecurity,
10:15shake hands with insecurity.
10:17That's not from now.
10:18It's not from now, that's why.
10:19But nobody did anything.
10:20I think one thing is insecurity,
10:22another thing is drug use.
10:24If you ask me today in Argentina,
10:26what is the worst of all?
10:28And I think,
10:29if I had to choose
10:33where to concentrate all the efforts of a state
10:36that is making water on all sides,
10:38if not now, if not always,
10:39it is the problematic drug use
10:41of thousands and thousands and thousands of Argentinians.
10:43What do they do, Sergio?
10:44What things can be made real?
10:46Nobody understands.
10:47This is not being done.
10:48Nobody understands the gravity.
10:49Nobody does anything.
10:50Nobody understands what it means,
10:52not only for an addict,
10:54but for all his environment,
10:55for all his family,
10:57when a patient,
10:58when a boy falls,
10:59a big boy,
11:01the same thing,
11:03when he falls into consumption and addiction.
11:06It is tremendous what he suffers,
11:07not only the patient,
11:09but all the environment.
11:11We have told the news,
11:12we have told the news of the father
11:14who had to denounce the son
11:15so that they come to look for him.
11:17Because he prefers him in prison or dead.