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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, you are watching Kashif Abbasi's program on 24th November.
00:16Now, Imran Khan has given the call for Islamabad March.
00:19Today, he told his leadership and party from the jail.
00:25We have Rauf Hassan with us. He is the central leader of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
00:30The call for protest, Tehreek-e-Insaf has protested a lot from April 2022 to November 2024.
00:42Since then, your party has been in protest.
00:45Your party has been very successful in Jalsa.
00:48But whenever the call for long marches and protests has been given, the government has cracked down the most.
00:54The first thing is that when you have announced, what is your first expectation?
00:58Will your leader be left out or will he be saved?
01:01Or do you think that the government will crack down and pick up everyone?
01:04Thank you, Mr. Kashif. Thank you very much.
01:07See, protesting the political party, protesting for peace, has its own right.
01:14But no political party wants to reach this stage.
01:19And it has to take to the streets.
01:22Or tell its followers, activists and workers to take to the streets with leadership.
01:29But in the last two and a half years, and particularly since 9th of May,
01:34the circumstances that have been created, especially in Punjab, in the whole country,
01:39especially in Samwad, but especially in Punjab.
01:42Along with this, the fact is that we were not heard in the parliament,
01:48nor were we heard on the legal basis.
01:51And now, in the context of the 26th amendment, the kind of constitutional bench you have created,
01:58the optimism that used to be there, or the hope that used to be there, has also ended.
02:04Now, as a political party, we have no option.
02:07Your issues are in their place.
02:09First of all, what are you expecting?
02:12That there will be the most severe crackdown against you?
02:14Against Tehreek-e-Insaf?
02:16Yes, absolutely. I was coming to that.
02:18And the last thing is that since they have no other option,
02:22they have nothing to defend.
02:24Whatever they have committed, since taking over, and even before that,
02:30after dismissing the PTI government, they are illegal, illegal.
02:34I have a long list.
02:36I will get it counted. It will take time.
02:38So, definitely, Mr. Kashif, we are expecting that the most brutal kind of
02:43oppression and oppression will continue.
02:46They will arrest our people.
02:48And they will continue to treat them inhumanely.
02:51They will also abolish the sanctity of Chahadar and Chahadwari.
02:55And their attempt will be that people should not leave, leadership should not leave.
02:59Our attempt will be, now we are strategizing this,
03:03we will have meetings in the future,
03:05we will see what strategy we have to adopt,
03:08so that the people can come to D-Chowk on 24th,
03:12as per Mr. Khan's instructions.
03:16So, for this, I think we will need a broad line of action.
03:20Sir, but do you know that it is potent to protest?
03:24What?
03:26It is the history of the world that it has never happened in Pakistan.
03:29Your protest in 2014 was probably the most accepted protest,
03:34in which the establishment was with you to bring down the government, but it did not happen.
03:37It did not happen with you.
03:39Now, everyone is standing on the other side.
03:41Do you remember, when you had to come in May,
03:44you used to raise slogans, Mariam Nawaz Sahiba,
03:46revolution had to come, Rana had to come ahead,
03:48PMLN used to say this.
03:50So, now Rana Plus will be standing in front.
03:52There will be crackdowns, tunnels will be dug,
03:54motorways will be dug at various places.
03:56When there was nothing, the motorways were dug.
03:58This was done a few days ago.
04:00You are burning your boats,
04:02but on the other side,
04:04guns, tanks, arrows, swords,
04:06they have kept everything ready,
04:08that whenever you do this,
04:10action will be taken against you.
04:12How will you get here?
04:14How will you reach Islamabad?
04:16Kashif, when the crowd of people comes out,
04:18when the people come out with enthusiasm,
04:20then that is the biggest power,
04:22the biggest power,
04:24comes out as the strongest power.
04:26I don't think that if the people
04:28come out with their enthusiasm and passion,
04:30then any government corruption
04:32will be successful in stopping them.
04:34What you are saying is absolutely right.
04:36I am not denying that.
04:38And in the last 3, 4, 5, 6 months,
04:40the protests that are taking place,
04:42in that too, in front of government corruption,
04:44it is a must that weakness has been seen.
04:46But now, because this is a final mark,
04:48it is being presented as the last mark,
04:50so it is a must that the planning that will be done,
04:52the way it will be strategized,
04:54the way it will be achieved,
04:56I think that in addition to success,
04:58I don't see any other possibility.
05:00People will come out,
05:02people will come out in a very large number.
05:04Imran Khan has held many gatherings in Punjab,
05:06KP, Sindh, Gujarat,
05:08all over the world,
05:10all over the world.
05:12He has held many gatherings,
05:14Punjab, KP, Sindh, Balochistan,
05:16wherever he held a gathering,
05:18people came out for the gathering.
05:20But whenever you gave such a call,
05:22as if you want to protest,
05:24or something will happen,
05:26like if I start from 25th May,
05:28from 2022,
05:30in that, people come out,
05:32especially from Punjab.
05:34Even the leadership of Punjab has not come out
05:36since the last year, year and a half.
05:38Who will remove the people of Punjab?
05:40A lot of goals, Mr. Kashif,
05:42One of our goals is that
05:44the leadership of Punjab,
05:46which is currently underground,
05:48should be removed along with it.
05:50They should come and lead.
05:52Because without leadership,
05:54it is difficult for the people to come out.
05:56So it is imperative that
05:58those who are currently underground,
06:00they should come out.
06:02And our additional grassroot leadership
06:04is playing a role with them.
06:06And I think in the coming date,
06:08it will play a very important,
06:10So the mobilization is ongoing.
06:12It is happening.
06:14And the results of it,
06:16the results that have come to us,
06:18are very happy.
06:20And on their basis,
06:22we can speculate,
06:24we can guess that
06:26people are mentally and emotionally ready,
06:28and they will come out.
06:30And I think you will see
06:32a different scenario this time,
06:34on the 24th of November,
06:36unlike the recent past.
06:38And it will be surprising because
06:40it will be the first time.
06:42Before this, as I said,
06:44you will remember,
06:46Imran Khan came in May 2022.
06:48The people who know Islamabad,
06:50Santorum, they spoke there,
06:52but there were very few people.
06:54Now, when you reached the last one,
06:56Ali Amin, Gandapur, Islamabad,
06:58those people,
07:00who you call Jamm-e-Ghafeer,
07:02till now, Jamm-e-Ghafeer has been
07:04seen to the extent of Jalsas.
07:06Especially when Mr. Khan was there.
07:08I am not talking about now,
07:10when Mr. Khan was there.
07:12But now, Imran Khan is also not there.
07:14There is less trust on leadership,
07:16there is a lot of criticism on leadership.
07:18And when you know that the government
07:20and the state will also
07:22make a move,
07:24the government will adopt a strict attitude,
07:26there will be arrests,
07:28there will be beatings,
07:30in that you feel that Jamm-e-Ghafeer,
07:32remember the word Jamm-e-Ghafeer,
07:34leadership, see, I was talking
07:36in response to the first question,
07:38so you asked me the second question.
07:40We have no option.
07:42And our followers and activists
07:44have no option left,
07:46except that they have to come out.
07:48And that is why we are sitting
07:50with hope.
07:52And our work during the last
07:54mobilization campaign,
07:56the work that has been done
07:58at the grassroots level,
08:00we have a lot of hope from that
08:02on your call.
08:04So I can say on the basis of that
08:06that yes, Jamm-e-Ghafeer will come out.
08:08And when Jamm-e-Ghafeer comes out,
08:10then it will be very difficult to stop it.
08:12We have no doubt about this in our mind
08:14that the state will express
08:16its firmness more than in the past
08:18and oppression will be done.
08:20But now you have to see
08:22that when you have not left
08:24any option with a political party,
08:26when not only have you put their backs
08:28against the wall, but you are trying
08:30to force them to vote for you,
08:32so that they can never come out.
08:34So in such a situation,
08:36we are fighting for our lives.
08:38We are fighting for our political life.
08:40This is our fight for political survival.
08:42So that is why...
08:44But then...
08:46Look, I want to ask you a question.
08:48Mr. Raghuvasan,
08:50you are right that you are fighting
08:52for political life.
08:54If you succeed, you will win.
08:56One level of your success
08:58is that your mandate will come back.
09:00No, the government will fall.
09:02If your mandate comes back,
09:04then the government will fall.
09:06Then either there will be elections
09:08or your government will be formed.
09:10They will not do that.
09:12What you are saying is that
09:14our survival is...
09:16If you lose this fight,
09:18if the government does not let you
09:20come out by using the hardest weapons,
09:22then what will you do?
09:24So what will be the result of that
09:26if you don't succeed?
09:56Sir, your leadership has not come out yet.
09:58How will people come out?
10:00People are ready to come out.
10:02And people will come out.
10:04Sir, he is saying that leadership...
10:06Look, I am coming to this leadership again and again
10:08because a lot of people are sitting in London.
10:10They are criticized by your political committee
10:12that you are sitting outside.
10:14You don't know the situation in Pakistan.
10:16Your leadership in Pakistan...
10:18Every week, after 10 days,
10:20you find out that someone has gone underground.
10:22As soon as the press starts reading,
10:24people don't come out of the underground.
10:26I have talked about Punjab's leadership.
10:28Hammad Azhar, Mian Aslam Iqbal...
10:30They have not seen us for a year or two.
10:32These people cannot come out.
10:34Kashif, you will have to come out of this call.
10:36You will have to come out of Khan's call.
10:38He has been waiting for this for many months.
10:40When will he come out?
10:42Tell me, in how many days
10:44do you think the underground leadership
10:46will come out and start the campaign?
10:48Look, they will have to come out as soon as possible.
10:50We are having discussions in Peshawar.
10:52I think the decision will be made tomorrow.
10:54They will come in front of you.
10:56We will announce to them
10:58how we have come out
11:00of this challenge.
11:02But the leadership coming out
11:04is a precondition.
11:06I am completely conceding your point.
11:08I am not contesting you on this.
11:10If the leadership comes out,
11:12the people will come out.
11:14If the leadership comes out,
11:16our followers and activists will come out.
11:18If the leadership is not seen,
11:20our followers
11:22and activists
11:24may object to coming out.
11:26So, the leadership coming out
11:28is absolutely vital.
11:30There is no other way.
11:32I think the time has come.
11:34They will have to make a decision.
11:36Tell me,
11:38as you said,
11:40this is a bigger test of the party's leadership
11:42than the people.
11:44People have come out again and again.
11:46If someone has put their life
11:48on the line,
11:50people have put their lives on the line.
11:52During Imran Khan's time,
11:54through Jalsa Jaloos,
11:56on 8th February,
11:58how did they find you
12:00and put your vote
12:02and kept your party alive?
12:04Who thought people would come out like this?
12:06Everyone thought so.
12:08People thought,
12:10what will people do now?
12:12You have lost.
12:14You cannot win.
12:16Will there be a Governor Raj in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa?
12:18Everything is possible.
12:20We are always prepared for everything.
12:22We will try.
12:24But appointing a Governor Raj
12:26is not an easy task.
12:28There are some provisos in the Constitution
12:30that will have to be fulfilled.
12:32But then you think,
12:34has this government respected
12:36any provision of any Constitution
12:38in the last two and a half years?
12:40Has it respected the court's orders?
12:42Even today, the court's orders have been violated.
12:44The High Court's instructions
12:46and adjudication
12:48have been violated.
12:50They have been imprisoned for a while
12:52and then released.
12:54A state where there is no respect
12:56for the Constitution,
12:58no respect for the court,
13:00no respect for the law,
13:02when such situations arise,
13:04the entire community
13:06has to come together
13:08and raise their voice.
13:10I think that time has come
13:12Otherwise,
13:14I have lived my life.
13:16I am on my last legs.
13:18But when I talk to the young people
13:20of this country,
13:22and I have a lot of time to talk to them,
13:24Kashyap, I feel sad.
13:26I get tears in my eyes
13:28when I don't find anyone
13:30who wants to live in this country.
13:32They all want to leave this country.
13:34What will happen to this country?
13:36I don't blame them.
13:38I want to make another point.
13:40Before this,
13:42the people in power
13:44would have thought about this country
13:46and would have sat down
13:48at a table and resolved
13:50the issues through dialogue.
13:52That would have been better.
13:54This is a must for the 24th.
13:56There are risks for us
13:58and there are risks
14:00for the rest of the people.
14:02This is an opportunity
14:04or a compulsion
14:06when all the other options
14:08are being used.
14:10Yes.
14:12What about the dialogue?
14:14There was no dialogue.
14:16Not at all?
14:18No, there was no dialogue.
14:20I have repeatedly said,
14:22and Kashyap has also said
14:24in your program,
14:26that there is a government
14:28at the KP level.
14:30There is an interaction.
14:32They postponed the Jalsa
14:34for August 22.
14:36I will not name names.
14:38There should have been a dialogue.
14:40There has always been a contention
14:42that there should be a dialogue
14:44and that the doors of dialogue
14:46should never be closed.
14:48The solution to the problems
14:50of this country is also in dialogue.
14:52But the demand of this dialogue
14:54is that you want to have a dialogue
14:56only with the establishment.
14:58The government again invited you
15:00for a discussion.
15:02You do not respond to political discussions.
15:04Kashyap has decided that
15:06there is no weight
15:08in inviting them for a discussion.
15:10They will have to take permission
15:12to have a discussion
15:14with their leaders.
15:16So there is no point
15:18in having a discussion with them.
15:20Secondly, those who have stolen the mandate,
15:22if you sit at the table with them,
15:24you are legitimizing them.
15:26That is why we are not sitting
15:28at the table with them.
15:30Those who have the power,
15:32they are ready to legitimize
15:34but those who are beneficiaries,
15:36they are not ready to legitimize.
15:38No, they are not beneficiaries
15:40and we will not sit at the table
15:42with them.
15:44Our basic contention is that
15:46every institution of this country
15:48should work within its own limits.
15:50If every institution starts working
15:52within its own limits,
15:54then the country will start moving
15:56on the right path.
15:58This is what we are demanding.
16:00Where does this matter go?
16:02Tell me,
16:04when you came to Islamabad,
16:06the last time you protested in Islamabad,
16:08no one knew what to do.
16:10Ali Ameen also disappeared.
16:12There were allegations about him.
16:14Although I always believe that
16:16if the government wants to discredit
16:18someone because the government
16:20has rallied with Ali Ameen
16:22or Ali Ameen has rallied with some other city,
16:24then no one should criticize
16:26Ali Ameen.
16:28This is happening because
16:30Ali Ameen is not in control.
16:32Ali Ameen has said that he is ready.
16:34Tell me,
16:36even last time there was no strategy.
16:38Do you have a plan
16:40what to do in Islamabad?
16:42Do you have a plan
16:44where to sit and protest?
16:46Till tomorrow,
16:48you will see the whole strategy.
16:50Some parts of it may not reach you
16:52because we are trying
16:54not to make public announcements
16:56about it.
16:58For example,
17:00we have to make a committee.
17:02If we give the names of the people
17:04in the committee,
17:06they will be jailed tomorrow.
17:08We will be looking for them.
17:10There will be many such components
17:12in this strategy.
17:14I will tell you one thing,
17:16the person who can be in the committee,
17:18do not leave anyone out of it.
17:20No, we know that
17:22we will not leave anyone.
17:24You are right, Mr. Kashid.
17:26But we will try to hide
17:28at least a few people from it.
17:30When the 24th comes,
17:32at least a few people
17:34will be there to lead it.
17:36Tell me, Mr. Rahul Fasan,
17:38your protest
17:40or the people of Islamabad
17:42let's say,
17:44the KP people will not be allowed to enter.
17:46Will there be an effort or not?
17:48Will the motorways and GT roads be closed?
17:50I think you will say
17:52we have closed all the roads in Pakistan.
17:54No one can come or go to Islamabad.
17:56But the day has come,
17:58November 24th.
18:00What is your standard of success?
18:02If the government falls,
18:04will you be successful?
18:06We have four demands.
18:08If these demands are met,
18:10we will be successful.
18:12I also feel that
18:14on the basis of this protest,
18:16if there is meaningful dialogue,
18:18if we sit across the table,
18:20we can solve the problems.
18:22Both these situations are possible.
18:24For both the situations,
18:26we will have to exercise our options.
18:28Either we will sit
18:30and there will be a prolonged protest,
18:32or on the basis of that,
18:34on the basis of that pressure,
18:36the dialogue that should have happened
18:38a long time ago,
18:40according to my own appraisal,
18:42that dialogue will commence
18:44and we will start moving
18:46towards a conclusion.
18:48So in both the situations,
18:50I think it is acceptable.
18:52So dialogue is also a sign of success for you?
18:54Ultimately, we don't have guns.
18:56We don't have a fight.
18:58The weapons of the political party
19:00are dialogue.
19:02You have to sit across the table
19:04and talk.
19:06So we will definitely exercise it
19:08and we will have to be ready for it.
19:12So dialogue should start
19:14otherwise there will be a protest.
19:16But as I said before,
19:18there has not been a more
19:20intense protest in Pakistan
19:22than in 2014.
19:24Although Maulana Sahib came
19:26and people tried to protest,
19:28but the protest that is remembered
19:30as an acceptable protest in history
19:32is Imran Khan's protest in 2014.
19:34It is acceptable because
19:36the establishment was with you,
19:38the numbers were there,
19:40the people were there,
19:42all the forces were there.
19:44But you were not able to meet
19:46the demands of the people.
19:48What do you think,
19:50what will be the difference
19:52this time that your demands
19:54will be met?
19:56I think there will be a lot of
19:58innovation in this.
20:00Wait for a day.
20:02I think you will know
20:04a lot about what we will do.
20:06It will be a protest
20:08on multiple levels.
20:10And not just one city,
20:12if the country is in lockdown,
20:14then the country will not be able
20:16to tolerate it for a day or two.
20:18So ultimately,
20:20the wrong things that have happened
20:22in the last two and a half years,
20:24particularly since February,
20:26should be reversed.
20:28Those who have the right to govern,
20:30should be allowed to govern.
20:32Or get a new election.
20:34All this can be done very easily
20:36through conversation.
20:38I understood your plan.
20:40It will not be an Islamabad-based protest.
20:42Not just Islamabad,
20:44the whole of Pakistan will be shut down.
20:46Lahore will be shut down.
20:48Karachi will be shut down.
20:50Peshawar will be shut down.
20:52So this is the plan.
20:54I don't think we will focus on one city.
20:56You will get everything by tomorrow.
20:58I mean, you will not get
21:00everything,
21:02but you will get some points.
21:04But it will not be a
21:06one-city protest.
21:08You will shut down GT roads.
21:10You will shut down big cities.
21:12There will be stones everywhere.
21:14There will be police.
21:16There will be tear gas.
21:18You will stop the system of life.
21:20Let's wait.
21:22This is how it looks.
21:24I can see that this is your plan.
21:26Wait for a day or two.
21:28You will see the consequences.
21:30I don't want to conjecture right now.
21:32But I am closer to the larger plan.
21:34You are always closer.
21:36You are never far.
21:38Let's see what happens
21:40day after tomorrow.
21:42Now that you have announced
21:44a protest,
21:46I think there will be
21:48a big crackdown.
21:50What options does the government
21:52have?
21:54One thing that the government
21:56will try to do is
21:58that the government of
22:00Pakhtunkhwa will
22:02support the government
22:04so that the government
22:06does not come to Islamabad
22:08with its own government.
22:10Will there be a governor?
22:12Will something like this happen?
22:14This will be very interesting
22:16in the next few days.
22:18I think Mr. Tariq Khan has
22:20announced and decided to
22:22burn the boats.
22:24This is it.
22:26This is do or die.
22:28If they succeed,
22:30then there is a lot.
22:32But if they fail,
22:34then what will happen?
22:36Let's take a break.
22:38We will be back.
22:44Welcome back.
22:46Mr. Tariq Khan has announced
22:48a protest on 24th November.
22:50How will the government
22:52react to this?
22:54Rana Sanaullah has said
22:56that if
22:58such a protest happens,
23:00the government will
23:02use the same tactics
23:04as before.
23:06What did Rana Sanaullah say?
23:08The state will stop it
23:10by following the law.
23:12We will arrest them.
23:14We will not let them
23:16escape from where
23:18they want to escape.
23:20Barrister Aqeel Malik is
23:22with us.
23:24Barrister,
23:26Rana Sanaullah
23:28This is the basis of democracy.
23:30This is the right of any political
23:32party.
23:34You will agree
23:36with their demands
23:38and disagree with them.
23:40But you are saying
23:42that if the government
23:44does not do anything,
23:46then the government will
23:48be in tears all over Pakistan.
23:54Thank you very much.
23:56Mr. Aqeel, Rana Sanaullah
23:58has told you the drawbacks.
24:00The prescriptions
24:02he has given
24:04will be the same.
24:06The purpose of this
24:08is that
24:10protest is their right.
24:12No one will stop them.
24:14It is a matter of protest.
24:16They have the right to protest.
24:18I will advocate for them
24:20if they protest peacefully.
24:22The issue is that
24:24if you look at the track record
24:26of the last three or four
24:28demonstrations,
24:30you will see that
24:32there was a lot of
24:34misbehaviour.
24:36They abused women.
24:38They abused women.
24:40They spread
24:42rumours.
24:44They threatened the police.
24:46I can show you
24:48the demonstrations of
24:50Mariam Nawaz Sharif.
24:52She did not do anything.
24:56She did not abuse
24:58women.
25:00She did not break the law.
25:02This is not against the law.
25:08You are wrong.
25:10This is not unconstitutional.
25:16What is unlawful and
25:18unconstitutional is that
25:20They have not asked for permission to protest peacefully and then disperse.
25:25They have not said that we undertake that we will not come here and protest.
25:33Of course, this kind of protest is not allowed.
25:36The government is outrightly stating, warning them, telling them,
25:42that if you have challenged the state's rhetoric,
25:49if you have tried to make a claim on Islamabad,
25:52if you have led the way towards Islamabad.
25:54It seems that Mr. Ballester is not only going to Islamabad, but Pakistan as well.
25:59There will be DT Road, Lahore, Faisalabad, Uttar Pradesh.
26:05It seems so.
26:08Look, I can tell you that right now, Pakistan cannot tolerate any kind of protest.
26:16If you look at your economy, there are positive indicators.
26:20If you look at international diplomatic engagement, you will see positivity.
26:25What has this Jamaat given Pakistan?
26:27Tell me, has it established strong relations?
26:33Has it made a great diplomatic gain?
26:37Not at all.
26:38This is a long debate.
26:39If you ask an economist, he will say that the government came at that time.
26:41This is a long debate with Akhil Malik.
26:42This should be the debate of the Pakistani people.
26:45There is no debate on popularity.
26:49No, no, I agree with you.
26:50The debate should be about performance.
26:52Who has been in power in the last 40 years?
26:56And why has Pakistan been going down?
26:59Why was Pakistan going through a delicate period in 1999?
27:02Why was Pakistan going through a delicate period in 2017-18?
27:04Everyone has to answer this question.
27:08This is a long debate.
27:09You have rightly pointed it out.
27:11I am actually glad that you pointed it out.
27:13Let's talk about 1999.
27:15Who gave motor vehicles?
27:16Today, you and I also travel with great interest.
27:19You know that in 1999, when Mian Sahib was in power, we did not take money from foreign currency.
27:23Who put these things on the Pakistani treasury?
27:27And who put these things on the Asian economic map?
27:30This is a separate debate.
27:31I have also said that this is a separate debate.
27:33I am pro-development, but also with intelligence.
27:37Is there any legal option under consideration?
27:39Or should a governor be appointed in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa?
27:44No, there is no legal option for a governor.
27:46After 2009, this is a very difficult step.
27:49It is a very serious step.
27:51At present, there is no legal option.
27:53And no such thing is under consideration.
27:55This I can confirm to you.
27:57But it is certain that tomorrow, the situation will change.
28:01And if the CM of KP says that we will come with a shroud.
28:06And this time, if he brings the state machinery,
28:08then it is possible that before his arrival,
28:10we will take such preventive measures
28:14that he will not be spared from any kind of release.
28:23And can a governor be appointed with preventive measures?
28:29Look, I wouldn't say.
28:31At present, there is no consideration of Governor Raj.
28:35But if the push comes to shove,
28:37then of course, whatever options are available,
28:39we will exercise all the options.
28:43How many people will be arrested in the next, let's say,
28:47today is the 13th.
28:4910-11 days are left.
28:51In the next 5-7 days, at least 200-500 will be arrested.
28:55There will be 1000-2000.
28:56How many arrests are you seeing now?
28:58Or 5-10,000?
28:59Arrests will be of those who will be involved in the planning.
29:03Arrests will be of those who will attempt to spread the spread.
29:06Arrests will be of those who will spread such a panic.
29:11Arrests will be of those who will plan.
29:14Now, obviously, if we talk about intelligence-based operations,
29:18then of course, based on the intelligence,
29:20these operations will take place.
29:22But this has everything to do with politics.
29:25What does this have to do with intelligence?
29:28This is politics.
29:30I will tell you, MPs will be arrested, MPs will be arrested,
29:33hopefuls will be arrested, those people who can gather people,
29:36they will be arrested.
29:37You will see how systematic the arrangements are.
29:40This is also not politics.
29:46What's politics?
29:47Politics is, rationally, you come and tell us what your manifesto is.
29:52You tell us that our government, God forbid,
29:56that we have caused a lot of destruction.
29:58You tell us that we have destroyed the economy.
30:01You tell us that on the diplomatic front,
30:03we have ruined relations with all our friends and relatives.
30:08This should be their counter-narrative.
30:10But none of this actually exists in their counter-narrative.
30:13They come and talk.
30:14But what is their counter-narrative?
30:16You have destroyed your ideas through the 26th amendment.
30:19Democracy is not allowed in this country.
30:21The law runs according to your will.
30:24They say, take back your mandate.
30:26You have stolen it.
30:27Return our mandate.
30:28Innocent people are in jail as political prisoners.
30:31This is their demand.
30:33And there are many takers of this demand.
30:35But yes, all these things are a problem in Pakistan.
30:40Look, it cannot be said that this is a perfect all-roses situation.
30:46We can have more reservations on all these things.
30:50I had said earlier, start with NA1.
30:53And come to where KP ends.
30:55Then milk will become water.
30:57But nobody is willing to listen.
30:58First, get KP audited.
31:00The reservation of Maulana Sahib,
31:02the reservation of our party,
31:03the reservation of People's Party,
31:05the reservation of ANP,
31:06there was no game of 45-47.
31:09Kashif sahib, there was no game.
31:12The other day somebody was telling me
31:14that they were going to see the conditions of Swat on Election Day.
31:17How the Sunni Ijtihad, PTI,
31:21the way they have contested the election there,
31:24even the counter-foils,
31:28if you remove the counter-foils,
31:30you will not even get the fingerprints.
31:32So many ghost voters came there,
31:34put the counter-foils and did it themselves.
31:36But as far as I know,
31:37these people were not allowed to campaign.
31:39You are drawing this map,
31:41like all the forces were with them,
31:43in the election commission,
31:44Sikandar Sultan Raja will be the office-bearer of Tehreek-e-Insaab,
31:48the establishment is also their MIT,
31:50and the police and administration are also their MIT.
31:52Their posters were flying,
31:53people were not going out.
31:54I know a lot of people who were underground,
31:56they could not campaign by going out.
31:58Despite all this,
31:59where did they get so much help from?
32:03It is a matter of observation,
32:05where did they get the help from,
32:07and how did they help themselves,
32:10or did they get help from somewhere else?
32:12This is an unseen help, big brother.
32:14Let's see where this help came from.
32:16No, unseen help cannot be like this,
32:18that you keep putting counter-foils everywhere.
32:20The problem is,
32:21you have been accused in Punjab,
32:23that you did the campaign,
32:24people took the symbol from you,
32:26they were not allowed to campaign,
32:28people were missing,
32:29the party was broken.
32:30Despite all this,
32:31they say that we left you in Punjab.
32:33This is the biggest challenge,
32:35which they are saying,
32:36return our mandate.
32:40Look,
32:41this is a political issue,
32:43the political solution to this political issue,
32:45political disagreements,
32:46or political discourse,
32:47Mr. Kashi,
32:48you know that,
32:49you have come to the parliament,
32:51you are in other committees,
32:53other political parties,
32:55sit together,
32:56I mean,
32:57we sit on all issues,
32:58political parties,
32:59we all sit together in the mirror.
33:01Now they come here,
33:02and discuss their political issues,
33:04and say,
33:05this is a committee,
33:06in this we have to discuss all our problems.
33:08You are saying,
33:09we have to discuss,
33:10but the problem is,
33:11at this moment,
33:12you cannot solve all the problems,
33:13you cannot solve all the problems,
33:14you cannot solve all the problems,
33:15you cannot solve all the problems,
33:16you cannot solve all the problems,
33:17you cannot solve all the problems,
33:18you cannot solve all the problems,
33:19you cannot solve all the problems,
33:20you cannot solve all the problems,
33:21you cannot solve all the problems,
33:22You know,
33:23Barrister Saif is here with us,
33:24Chief of Information,
33:25senior in the KPKY,
33:26keep these programs,
33:27keep these programs.
33:28This isLR Indian media.
33:30He is Namvis Hashanan,
33:31he represents the KPKY,
33:33he is from Abu Dhabi here,
33:34Comissioner for Intelligence Officer,
33:35Bushehr Atalat the CM for KPKY,
33:36Barister sahib,
33:37Peace be upon you.
33:38Walikum assalam.
33:39Barister sahib,
33:40you are from the KPKY,
33:41it is clear that
33:42It is your government.
33:43Do you just want to close the KPKY,
33:44or will an audience come from the KPY
33:45to Punjab and Islamabad,
33:46what is the strategy for the KPKY,
33:47because Mr. Ali Amin said,
33:48We will come to Islamabad, Imran Khan has given a call and it has been announced today.
34:03So our preparations were going on and the Sawabi Jalsa was also presented as a glimpse of it.
34:12The issue is that you will not be allowed to enter Islamabad.
34:16You will not be allowed to cross the bridge where you were stopped last time.
34:19This government will not let you enter.
34:21Kashif, they have already made such decisions and later they were also ashamed of their own decisions.
34:28Do you remember a while ago, when there was a call from Islamabad, Rana Sanaullah and Khawaja Asif
34:36said that they will not even cross the bridge where they were stopped.
34:39Despite that, you know that our Jalsa was also held in Lahore, Sangjani, Pindi and Liaquat Bagh.
34:51But what will you do if the governor is arrested?
34:53It is okay that you reached different places.
34:55It is a different matter that he is missing.
34:58Because it seems that your protest call, which you are calling the last call, will be taken as a big sign.
35:06What if they impose Governor Raj?
35:09Or do you do something like this?
35:11Kashif, for Governor Raj, the procedure and requirements in our constitution do not satisfy the call and march of protest.
35:23This is a protest call and a political show of power and strength.
35:28It is a way to present your demands in a political way.
35:32This does not justify Governor Raj as a result of such calls.
35:37You say that Governor Raj does not qualify him.
35:39In the end, tell me, will Ali Amin Islamabad come and sit?
35:42Whatever strategy comes from Mr. Khan, according to that, God willing, it will happen.
35:47If Mr. Khan says, sit down, do not go until the demands are fulfilled, then we will sit.
35:51If he says, call and come back.
35:53But as far as we know, this is the final call.
35:57God willing, we will have to come to Islamabad and sit there until the demands are fulfilled.
36:02Thank you very much for coming to Islamabad.
36:04Mr. Ballester is with us.
36:06Let's take a break.
36:07We will be back after the break.
36:11Welcome back, viewers.
36:12Protest is a fundamental right of any political party.
36:15There is luxury in Pakistan.
36:17Some have permission, some do not.
36:19The Tariq-e-Insaf do not have permission.
36:21Those who do not have permission, they do not have to do it.
36:24There will be a complete effort to crackdown.
36:26And the political party, i.e. Tariq-e-Insaf, will not be able to protest.
36:31Let's see what happens.
36:32Give permission.
36:33Allah Hafiz.