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Host:
- Ashfaq ishaq Satti
Guests:
- Taimur Khan Jhagra PTI
- Barrister Danyal Chaudhry PMLN
- Irshad Bhatti (Analyst)
Army Chief’s Clear Response to Imran Khan Letter - Taimur Saleem Jhagra’s Ignorance Revealed?
26th Amendment is not in accordance with the will of PTI - Daniyal Chaudhry's
"if I get letter, I will send it to the Prime Minister" Army Chief response - Irshad Bhatti Analysis
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Ashfaq ishaq Satti
Guests:
- Taimur Khan Jhagra PTI
- Barrister Danyal Chaudhry PMLN
- Irshad Bhatti (Analyst)
Army Chief’s Clear Response to Imran Khan Letter - Taimur Saleem Jhagra’s Ignorance Revealed?
26th Amendment is not in accordance with the will of PTI - Daniyal Chaudhry's
"if I get letter, I will send it to the Prime Minister" Army Chief response - Irshad Bhatti Analysis
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00:00In the name of Allah, the most merciful, the most compassionate.
00:13Asalam-o-Alaikum, I am Ashfaq Ishaq Sati, your host.
00:16Today, the Army Chief had an informal conversation with the journalists.
00:19This is the first time in two years that he has had this conversation.
00:22He has also spoken about the letter that was to be written and received.
00:27He said that he did not receive the letter.
00:30If I receive the letter, I will not read it.
00:33And even if I receive the letter, I will send it to the Prime Minister.
00:35So this clarity has come to light from him.
00:37He also said that Pakistan is moving forward in a good way.
00:42He also said that these letters are all tricks.
00:46So this statement has come to light from him.
00:48Secondly, the dossier and letter that was being discussed by Pakistan Tehrik-e-Ansar
00:53and many letters are being sent to them from different places.
00:57One letter and dossier has also been sent to the IMF.
01:01So what are its points and what are the motivations behind it?
01:05And is the timing right for it?
01:08We will also talk about this in today's show.
01:10Plus, we have also met Ali Ameen Gandapur's Bani PTI today.
01:15We went with many others, but could not meet them.
01:17So we will talk about this in the program.
01:19So let's introduce our guest.
01:21He is with us in the studio.
01:23Mr. Taimur Jagra will represent Pakistan Tehrik-e-Ansar.
01:25Thank you very much for your time.
01:27Mr. Irshad Bhatti is present in front of us.
01:30He is not in need of any introduction.
01:32And Mr. Daniyal Chaudhary is joining us on the video link.
01:35So thank you very much for being with us.
01:38So starting from Mr. Bhatti, let's start with you.
01:42So this clarity has come today.
01:45A statement has come from the Chief of the Army Staff.
01:48These letters and statements are all fake.
01:53We have also heard that there was a backdoor conversation.
02:01We have also heard that there were backdoor negotiations.
02:04We have also heard that on many occasions...
02:06The dates have been coded.
02:08On many occasions, the doors of Adiala Jail were opened.
02:11That is, on the day off, at night.
02:13And we have also seen that offers have been made
02:16that you go there during the march.
02:19We have also seen that Imran Khan said that I also got an offer
02:23that you go to Benigala, leave the party.
02:26Or what Ali Amin Gandapur said that I am surprised today
02:30that if this letter, the answer...
02:32And Ali Amin Gandapur said that
02:3499% things have come in black and white.
02:40And Nathia Gali, Benigala or KP's Ministerial House
02:45We have talked about that.
02:47And there will be more meetings.
02:49And I will tell you more.
02:51In an interview, he told me.
02:52In his opinion, everything was goody-goody.
02:54But it is true that whenever DJI-SPR held a press conference,
02:59zero tolerance was shown.
03:02And whenever in the first letter,
03:05the answer came from the military,
03:07the letter was open and the answer was also from the military.
03:10So even in that, he said that there is no interest,
03:12nor will we read the letter.
03:13But today, the army chief said...
03:15Now the answer came from the top.
03:17Yes, today he has clearly said that
03:19there is no letter, nor is there any interest.
03:23And if I get a letter, I will send it to the Prime Minister.
03:26Which was previously said that you talk to politicians.
03:30And these are tricks.
03:32This has also been mentioned many times
03:34in the press conference of DJI-SPR.
03:37So it means zero tolerance.
03:39Till this moment.
03:42And now I don't know what kind of discussion
03:45Ali Min Gandapur had.
03:48And what kind of backdoor contacts he is talking about.
03:50And what kind of conversations he is having.
03:52So till this moment, when the army chief has spoken,
03:56it means that what can be more clear than this?
03:59Now the clarity has come from the top.
04:02You people have exercised everything.
04:04There was the option of protest.
04:05You did the protest.
04:06Then there were also talks about some backdoor contacts.
04:10There was a mention of a phone call.
04:12That if a phone call comes in the last ten days of January,
04:15then things will be very settled.
04:17Then due to this, a time frame was also given.
04:19That it should be in this time frame.
04:21So now this clarity has also come.
04:23Now what are the options left with PTI?
04:25That they will exercise.
04:27When did the army chief speak?
04:29Today.
04:30The unofficial ones had a conversation with him.
04:33On which occasion?
04:35When the Turkish President had come.
04:37Mr. Erdogan.
04:38I am sorry.
04:39I don't know.
04:40Because today I went to Adiala for the third time in three weeks.
04:45So there you can neither keep your phone with you,
04:49nor do the signals work,
04:51nor can we run an Adiala jail according to the jail manual.
04:57Because today was the third week.
05:00Did you go to meet him?
05:01Not just me.
05:02Our anti-corruption minister was there.
05:05KPK Musadeq Abbasi.
05:07Adil Bazai.
05:08The MNA to whom Shahbaz Sharif had falsely declared PMLN.
05:15Haleem Adil Sheikh was from Karachi.
05:19So I just don't understand.
05:21That's why I am commenting more.
05:23What should I do?
05:24Because in Pakistan, 15-20 miles away from here,
05:28in Rawalpindi, I was there.
05:31There I was not able to meet anyone.
05:34The jailer used to say,
05:36allow me to come.
05:37I don't know who he used to pick up the phone from,
05:39talk to,
05:40it used to be switched off,
05:41there was no answer.
05:42But didn't you ask Ali Amin Gandapur,
05:44did you meet him?
05:45We didn't meet him.
05:46In this very Pakistan.
05:47For two hours.
05:48In the conference room.
05:49Tea, samosas.
05:50What was so special about him that you didn't have?
05:53Why are you asking me?
05:55You are saying that we didn't meet him there,
05:58but he was your party leader.
06:00He left him.
06:01He didn't leave us.
06:02Ask him.
06:03Why did he leave us?
06:04He is the government.
06:05Am I sitting in the government of Punjab,
06:07or is he sitting there?
06:08Why did he leave me?
06:09Why did Ali Amin Gandapur leave you and go inside?
06:11No, no.
06:12Ali Khan came by himself.
06:13Oh, he came separately.
06:14Yes, he came separately.
06:15So, Sher Afzal was also saying that,
06:17it is the kindness of our own people,
06:19that we are not able to meet others.
06:21Junaid Akbar, sorry.
06:22Junaid Akbar had gone.
06:23He was saying that we are not able to meet.
06:25You are saying that it is the kindness of our own people,
06:27or of others.
06:28So, this is your thought.
06:29What are you accusing?
06:30So, his meeting,
06:31his meeting with his own people,
06:33you are saying that,
06:34our own people can also be involved in this.
06:36No, these people,
06:37this is the government of Punjab.
06:39This is my purpose.
06:40This, in our party,
06:41has met some people,
06:42or you are accusing that,
06:43the establishment people of our party.
06:45The thing is that,
06:46when permission is given to one party,
06:48and not to the other,
06:49then the others will raise their voice on this,
06:51that why they are being favoured.
06:53This discussion that we are having,
06:55is the proof of the fact that,
06:57everything is fine in Pakistan.
06:59I was asking you about options.
07:01Now, what options do you have,
07:03that you are exercising?
07:04Struggle.
07:05Okay.
07:06That will be a struggle.
07:07So, you are saying that,
07:08it is just a struggle.
07:09My point is that,
07:10yes, we will struggle.
07:11You have closed the doors of the courts.
07:13Okay.
07:14You have shut down the voice of the media.
07:18You have shut down the investigations in the elections.
07:21It has been 370 days.
07:24Every day,
07:25either the judge changes,
07:27or the lawyer doesn't come.
07:29Now, the lawyer has become the judge.
07:31The judge has been promoted.
07:33Till now, we have been sitting there,
07:35that someone should at least listen to our election petition.
07:37Is this right in Pakistan?
07:39Let's include Mr. Daniyal as well.
07:41Mr. Daniyal, now,
07:42the clarity has come from the top,
07:44that now,
07:45we have not received any letter,
07:47and even if we receive it,
07:48we will not read it,
07:49and we will send it to the Prime Minister.
07:51So, your thoughts on that?
07:53Are there any options left?
07:55What options do you think are left with the PTI?
07:59And is there any way left for negotiations or not?
08:03Look, the negotiations,
08:05in political parties,
08:07they are always open.
08:10And as far as politics is concerned,
08:12when all the doors are closed,
08:15when all the things fail,
08:17then you sit down and negotiate.
08:20And when all the doors of negotiations are closed,
08:24then all the negotiations fail as well.
08:26And from there,
08:27the negotiations start again.
08:29That is how political parties function.
08:31But the Jamaat that exists,
08:34is not a political party at all.
08:36The Jamaat that,
08:38on the basis of hatred,
08:40on the basis of division,
08:42on the basis of burning and destroying,
08:44brings people together,
08:46sometimes in the name of the province,
08:48sometimes on the basis of hatred
08:50against the institutions in the country,
08:52sometimes on the basis of division of Pakistan.
08:55So does their politics remain,
08:58when the negotiations are successful?
09:01And this is nothing new for us.
09:03When we reached Sanjani at D-Chowk,
09:10then we negotiated with them
09:12and removed the containers.
09:14And gave them space to process.
09:16And said that because some laws and rules,
09:19have been passed in Islamabad Capital Territory,
09:22so you can sit here and process.
09:24And we negotiated with them.
09:26But they went to D-Chowk to take the bodies.
09:29In the 26th amendment,
09:31ifs, buts and commas,
09:33were put as per their wish.
09:35But in the end,
09:36their handlers knew that
09:38their political death,
09:40if the negotiations were successful.
09:42And the things that have progressed,
09:44the things that are improving,
09:46You said in the beginning,
09:48that they wrote a letter to the IMF.
09:50They did not write a letter to the IMF.
09:52These are the people,
09:54that when the IMF was negotiating
09:56with Pakistan for the poor,
09:58unemployed and laborers,
10:00then after the IMF,
10:02they were burning the bodies
10:04of the heads of their armed forces.
10:06And they were saying,
10:08that if their Shahbaz Gil Sahib
10:10was leading it,
10:12and their people,
10:14that if the IMF makes a deal,
10:16then we will shut down the country.
10:18We will set Pakistan on fire.
10:20We will call for civil disobedience.
10:22We will never return that money.
10:24They were trying their best.
10:26Sometimes they would say,
10:28that Pakistan has been defaulted.
10:30Some would say it is going to happen.
10:32Some would say in 24 hours,
10:34and some would say in 48 hours.
10:36Today they are saying,
10:38that your economic growth
10:40is 4.5 or 6.
10:42This is better.
10:44This is less.
10:46And this is our success.
10:48And all these things
10:50are their political death.
10:52They have no activity.
10:54They have nothing to show.
10:56And they have not done any work.
10:58But of course,
11:00if your government is in power,
11:02then you have to show
11:04how successful you are.
11:06Mr. Bhatti,
11:08in this informal conversation,
11:10even if I get a letter,
11:12I will send it to the Prime Minister.
11:14That gives an indicator,
11:16that if they want to talk,
11:18like Mr. Jagda is saying,
11:20that we have to struggle.
11:22So along with the struggle,
11:24don't they have the option
11:26to start negotiations again?
11:28If there is an option.
11:30Because the political option
11:32seems to be the only option.
11:34Look, I am of the opinion
11:36that there should be negotiations.
11:38Pakistan is the biggest political party
11:40in the country
11:42and only politics
11:44is doing justice to Pakistan.
11:46And the only famous
11:48or number one
11:50is Imran Khan.
11:52And Pakistan has tried
11:54to come on the streets
11:56and bring down the government.
11:58I am not of the opinion
12:00that any opposition
12:02should come on the streets
12:04and bring down the government.
12:06Negotiations are the only option.
12:08But in the negotiations,
12:10the government was not serious.
12:12Either the government was helpless,
12:14it had no power,
12:16or it was not serious.
12:18So you are saying that
12:20the government was not serious.
12:22Definitely.
12:24After the tense atmosphere
12:26of 26th November,
12:28Imran Khan formed a negotiating committee
12:30and made their demands.
12:32He also gave written demands.
12:34This is not a small thing.
12:36We do not highlight this.
12:38Whenever the Muslim League
12:40negotiated,
12:42it was for its elders.
12:44Whenever the People's Party
12:46negotiated,
12:48it was for Zardari
12:50and Benazir Bhutto.
12:52For the first time,
12:54Imran Khan did not negotiate.
12:56And for the first time,
12:58Imran Khan considered the government
13:00to be a government.
13:02And for the first time,
13:04Imran Khan considered the government
13:06to be a government.
13:08And for the first time,
13:10Imran Khan considered the government
13:12to be a government.
13:14And for the first time,
13:16Imran Khan considered the government
13:18to be a government.
13:20And for the first time,
13:22Imran Khan considered the government
13:24to be a government.
13:26And for the first time,
13:28Imran Khan considered the government
13:30to be a government.
13:32And for the first time,
13:34Imran Khan considered the government
13:36to be a government.
13:38And for the first time,
13:40Imran Khan considered the government
13:42to be a government.
13:44And for the first time,
13:46Imran Khan considered the government
13:48to be a government.
13:50And for the first time,
13:52Imran Khan considered the government
13:54to be a government.
13:56And for the first time,
13:58Imran Khan considered the government
14:00to be a government.
14:28And for the first time,
14:30Imran Khan considered the government
14:32to be a government.
14:58And for the first time,
15:00Imran Khan considered the government
15:02to be a government.
15:28And for the first time,
15:30Imran Khan considered the government
15:32to be a government.
15:58And for the first time,
16:00Imran Khan considered the government
16:02to be a government.
16:04And for the first time,
16:06Imran Khan considered the government
16:08to be a government.
16:10And for the first time,
16:12Imran Khan considered the government
16:14to be a government.
16:16And for the first time,
16:18Imran Khan considered the government
16:20to be a government.
16:22And for the first time,
16:24Imran Khan considered the government
16:26to be a government.
16:56And for the first time,
16:58Imran Khan considered the government
17:00to be a government.
17:02And for the first time,
17:04Imran Khan considered the government
17:06to be a government.
17:08And for the first time,
17:10Imran Khan considered the government
17:12to be a government.
17:26And for the first time,
17:28Imran Khan considered the government
17:30to be a government.
17:32And for the first time,
17:34Imran Khan considered the government
17:36to be a government.
17:38And for the first time,
17:40Imran Khan considered the government
17:42to be a government.
17:44And for the first time,
17:46Imran Khan considered the government
17:48to be a government.
17:50And for the first time,
17:52Imran Khan considered the government
17:54to be a government.
18:24And for the first time,
18:26Imran Khan considered the government
18:28to be a government.
18:54And for the first time,
18:56Imran Khan considered the government
18:58to be a government.
19:24If we talk about the leader,
19:26Bani PTI is in jail.
19:28Bani PTI is in jail.
19:30The rest of the leadership
19:32is in their place.
19:34My question was,
19:36Is there a way for negotiations?
19:38Or would you like to initiate?
19:40Is there an option?
19:42This is an accusation.
19:44Negotiations will always be open.
19:46Negotiations will always be open.
19:48Negotiations will always be open.
19:50And even today,
19:52I am a political worker.
19:54I have seen these issues
19:56in my home since childhood.
19:58I have seen these issues in my home since childhood.
20:00We are all politically well-entrenched people.
20:02We are all politically well-entrenched people.
20:04We have been seeing these things for 15-20 years.
20:06We have been seeing these things for 15-20 years.
20:08But we can take things forward with understanding.
20:10But we can take things forward with understanding.
20:12We can sit at the table and see
20:14the solution of the country
20:16that has been going on for a long time.
20:18Especially the geopolitical situation
20:20and the issues of Pakistan.
20:22We should work together.
20:24I got your point.
20:26I got your point.
20:28We have to find the solution together.
20:30We have to work together.
20:32We have to find the solution together.
20:34We have to find the solution together.
20:36As of now,
20:38What is the status of Mr. Sher Azal Marwat?
20:40Is he in the party?
20:42Sir, I saw his
20:44expulsion notice yesterday.
20:46Sir, I saw his expulsion notice yesterday.
20:48The other day he said that he doesn't even get to talk to Bani and there are some contradictions and contradictions, so this happens on the basis of that.
20:57I don't get to talk to him, so I also agree that I have been standing outside for three weeks.
21:02So you are misguided? What happened?
21:05Look, the party…
21:07Let's listen to it first.
21:09Yes, I will listen to it.
21:11If the party's decision is based on hypocrisy and hypocrisy, then our future will be unpredictable.
21:16The people's love for me, this is something that has not been digested from the beginning.
21:21Someone has put a bandage in the ear, there has been gossip, lies and hypocrisy.
21:25There are strange relationships, then someone goes and puts a bandage in the ear.
21:28There is no cure for jealousy.
21:31There is no cure for jealousy, hypocrisy, hypocrisy.
21:34And you are saying that there is confusion about this.
21:38I try not to talk about the internal matters of the party.
21:42My upbringing is also in a political family, but unlike many politicians,
21:48whose family background is basically claim to fame, I have a professional career of 20 years.
21:54And he has taught me that in such a cause, because you transpose your values,
22:01the cause should be the news. To the extent possible, you shouldn't be the news.
22:06Our challenge is, I will tell all my friends, to the extent possible, don't make yourself the news.
22:13And what is the cause? Imran Khan's release is the reason for democracy in this country.
22:20But let me tell you one thing, that when you go there,
22:24it is an issue of misinterpretation that everyone interprets things in their own way.
22:29Whatever comes out of there, on the basis of that, anything is said about anyone.
22:33In my opinion, this is done, but not from our side.
22:37In your opinion, permission to meet A and not B.
22:42If my statement seems to offend someone else, it should be removed.
22:49This is not done from within the party.
22:52It is done, because there has been a mission.
22:56But he is talking about the people within the party.
23:00Because the mission since 2022 has been that the PTI should be broken.
23:04When after PTI 9, which did not break in the next month,
23:10the pressure that was there in the history of Pakistan,
23:14that here in the National Press Club, after the press conference,
23:18the press conference, a script of 1-3 lines,
23:22One second.
23:23In this, the thing to understand is that what he is doing is ultimately harming himself.
23:30Because when half the information is reaching Imran Khan,
23:33the instability that you think you are doing in PTI,
23:37that instability is reflecting on the politics of Pakistan.
23:42And Pakistan cannot be stable.
23:45We will take a break here and after the break we will do further discussion.
23:49After the break, once again I welcome you all to the program.
23:52We were talking about Sher Afzal Marwad and his expulsion from the party.
23:56So Mr. Bhatti, you also give your opinion on this.
23:59What was the reason for this?
24:02And we did not see this today.
24:03On 26th November, we saw that different things were coming out of there.
24:07Everyone kept giving their own opinion that Bani said this, Bani said that.
24:11This time, what Sher Afzal did, he raised his voice on his own party, on his own people.
24:17Your thoughts?
24:48We will come to Mr. Marwad now.
24:50Mr. Bhatti, I agree with you 1000%.
25:17What is quite strange to me.
25:39One, he is rectifying the jealousy of Sher Afzal Marwad in the party.
25:41Second, Sher Afzal Marwad came to power when everyone was divided.
25:49But Sher Afzal Marwad has no fight with anyone of his own.
25:53Tell me one thing.
25:54He had a fight with Hamid Khan, he spoke against Ali Min Gandapur.
25:57He spoke against Junaid Akbar.
25:59But what is quite strange to me.
26:02We have to go to Mr. Daniyal as well.
26:04But one thing Mr. Taimur.
26:05He said this to Junaid Akbar as well.
26:07But Junaid Akbar has his own statement.
26:09That he supported me in difficult times.
26:11And he raised his voice for me.
26:13And if I go, I will talk to him.
26:15Today Ali Min Gandapur spoke and maybe he will stop.
26:17Really?
26:18Yes.
26:19Did he come and share anything with you, Mr. Taimur?
26:21No.
26:22No.
26:23I did not talk to Ali Khan much recently.
26:26But obviously he must have come out.
26:29We met.
26:30You must have asked what the discussion was.
26:32No, no.
26:33I did not ask.
26:35Your question was.
26:38Junaid Akbar.
26:39Junaid Akbar.
26:40Look.
26:41There are differences in our party.
26:45I think it is immature to deny this.
26:48Absolutely.
26:49I think there is no disagreement on the cause.
26:52There is disagreement on the method.
26:54He is a human being.
26:57There are 4-5 anchors in your channel.
27:00There is no competition.
27:01There is no one to control them right now.
27:03Absolutely.
27:04And I am saying that this instability is harmful for Pakistan.
27:10Because there is some turbulence throughout.
27:13But what you said about Junaid shows you this.
27:16This is the only party where people feel empowered to raise their voice.
27:23I do not know Shir Afzal very well.
27:26I also met him twice during the elections.
27:30He wanted to fight with Peshawar.
27:33We thought that there are many eligible candidates in Peshawar.
27:38There was a misunderstanding at that time.
27:40But I think this goes to Junaid's credit.
27:43He said on principle that Shir Afzal supported the party in difficult times.
27:48I do not know the details of what is happening now.
27:53Mr. Daniyal, Khawaja Asif also said that the party is suffering from instability.
28:00There are differences.
28:02What is the impact of this?
28:05Before that, I would like to remind you of something.
28:10You said that there has never been a job like this in the history of Pakistan.
28:14Have we forgotten that Mr. Nawaz Sharif was arrested,
28:19Mr. Marian was arrested,
28:22Mr. Safdar was arrested,
28:26Mr. Shah Sakhan Abbas was arrested.
28:29Wait a minute.
28:32Our 79 sitting MNAs were forced to leave us.
28:36The Jamaat-e-Parti you are talking about.
28:39The 79 MNAs were forced to leave us.
28:41The 69 MPAs were forced to leave us.
28:44They are fighting because they were never a political party.
28:48They came with the Basakis. They came to find the Basakis.
28:51They were given a government in their lap.
28:53There was a Tanga party who had no representation.
28:56So you gave them a government.
28:58When you give such people a government,
29:00in their political parties, because they have a non-political grooming,
29:03I am not talking about Mr. Jagra.
29:05I am talking about such people who have spent a long time in these parties.
29:09I am not talking about them.
29:11The majority of these people were brought up.
29:14They neither respect the seniors nor the juniors.
29:17And they are still looking for the Basakis.
29:19If someone gives a sweeping statement,
29:21the majority of these people, because Mr. Jagra is not there,
29:23he is our colleague, I meet him there daily.
29:25The majority of these people are not ready to pick up Imran Khan's statements.
29:29They say, save us from him and get him out.
29:31Where have you trapped us?
29:33Look, these people, today I will say this again,
29:36if you talk about political victimization,
29:39if you talk about political harassment,
29:41then you will open Pandora's box.
29:43But this has to stop somewhere.
29:45I agree 100% with Mr. Bhatti.
29:47As Mr. Bhatti said,
29:49he will be in the same position tomorrow.
29:51I agree 1000% with this.
29:53We will also be in jail.
29:55This will happen with us too.
29:57But tell me one thing about the Bai'at.
29:59When this happened with us,
30:01did we talk about weakening our army every day?
30:04Did we talk about separating the provinces?
30:07Did we ever try to politicize the children's protests in KP?
30:14Did we try to politicize the Kashmir cause?
30:17Despite all these things,
30:19despite all these things,
30:21when the people of the People's Party were being beaten,
30:23it was still a matter of uniting Pakistan.
30:25Our people, our leaders,
30:27were talking about life imprisonment and death penalty,
30:29still we talked about moving forward with Pakistan.
30:31The point is that political leadership,
30:33political maturity should come to an end.
30:35They will show their maturity,
30:37they will sit down,
30:39they will guide the people with understanding,
30:41and until they take things towards improvement,
30:43there will be no solution.
30:45Mr. Bhatti, do you want to add anything?
30:47No, no, I agree with this.
30:49The journey of the circle should stop, for God's sake.
30:51Let it stop somewhere.
30:53And let me remind you once again,
30:55even in the era of Imran Khan,
30:57that you are in power.
30:59You have to stop.
31:01Today you have to prove with your actions
31:03that you were not like them.
31:05Everyone did politics in Kashmir,
31:07did it, even now,
31:09even the people's party did it.
31:11So what has been happening for the last 6-7 years?
31:13So no, stop it now.
31:15Now it is the responsibility of the government.
31:17You have come to power,
31:19you have the protection of your existence.
31:21Now tell me,
31:23this letter of today,
31:25as we say,
31:27in the invitation of letters,
31:29we mention,
31:31you sent a dossier to the IMF mission,
31:33a letter, and there was a lot of talk about it.
31:35Before this,
31:37Mr. Shahbaz Sharif,
31:39taking the cabinet into consideration,
31:41said that what MD Sahiba has said,
31:43has never happened before.
31:45Before this, you know that the IMF plan
31:47was completed in 2013-2016,
31:49during the time of the Noon League.
31:51Was the timing of this dossier or letter
31:53appropriate?
31:55Look,
31:57I still say,
31:59even today I say,
32:01where are the experts?
32:03The one who called
32:05to write a letter
32:07and didn't get a loan,
32:09why wasn't he caught?
32:11Why wasn't he made an example?
32:13But this,
32:15first of all,
32:17I would like to express my sorrow
32:19that we have reached the point
32:21where the IMF's deputy meets the Chief Justice.
32:23The IMF,
32:25listen to my question,
32:27tries to do a lot of things.
32:29But if you look at their role,
32:31as a whole,
32:33they are a party that gives you money.
32:35And their job is to make sure
32:37that the money goes to the right place
32:39and comes back to them.
32:41Now, for the rest,
32:43inviting them in such a way
32:45that the way it happened before,
32:47not giving money,
32:49or giving it now,
32:51under a standby agreement,
32:53taking a loan is not appropriate at all.
32:55Now, let's say,
32:57if the economy is connected to it,
32:59then let's do it.
33:01But to write a letter
33:03asking them to come
33:05and play their role,
33:07is this appropriate?
33:09No, I don't think so.
33:11It's the same letter
33:13that has been written
33:15to the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
33:17But there has to be a point,
33:19what impact has it had?
33:21You have asked a different question.
33:23But,
33:25since the IMF has already met
33:27the Chief Justice,
33:29this letter will be written
33:31to the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
33:33But, my point is that
33:35every action has a reaction.
33:37Whose action is it?
33:39The actions of the governments.
33:41And when is the letter written?
33:43Have you ever thought about this?
33:45When all the doors are closed.
33:47Mr. Taimur, your thoughts?
33:49The mission of the IMF is
33:51So, I also object to this
33:53that the work of the IMF
33:55should not be done.
33:57It shows our weakness.
33:59But they should not be
34:01accused of painting the right picture.
34:03There should be no hesitation.
34:05And you are trying to paint the right picture.
34:07This is what you are doing.
34:09Absolutely.
34:11And what should be the impact of this?
34:13You say that in Pakistan,
34:15GSP plus status, God forbid.
34:17Mr. Daniyal, your thoughts on that?
34:19Look, I will say something
34:21very categorical on this.
34:23We should not forget that
34:25this is the same community
34:27who wrote a letter
34:29to the IMF earlier.
34:31They first said that
34:33the army of Pakistan
34:35should be neutral.
34:37Then they said,
34:39how can it be neutral?
34:41Animals are neutral.
34:43Then they said,
34:45now you should be neutral.
34:47Then they said,
34:49the army of Pakistan
34:51will liberate Pakistan from
34:53Imran Khan.
34:55Then they said,
34:57after the release of
34:59Imran Khan,
35:01Pakistan will be liberated
35:03from the US.
35:05They have a different
35:07statement at every time.
35:09They are in search of
35:11the real trouble.
35:13They are unable to find
35:15will get it from the Parliament and the Parliamentary Committees.