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Youth activists, Ministers, Heads of State, & UN representatives unite in Italy to present proposals. Shonagh meets delegates in Milan for the last event before COP26. What will come of the debates?

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00:00It's the final lap, the homestretch to the UN's Council of the Parties, or COP, coming
00:09up in my home, Glasgow, Scotland. We're in Milan, Italy, where the last big meeting is
00:15being held, the pre-COP. The United Nations has seen the importance the youth of this
00:20world can make and have been dedicating activities before the big conferences. Here in Milan,
00:26it's the Youth for Climate conference. And it's hard to talk about youth and climate
00:31without mentioning Greta Thunberg, who had some harsh things to say about the governments
00:36of the world, and some harsh things to say about her hosts at the UN. Build back better,
00:41blah, blah, blah, green economy, blah, blah, blah. On this episode of Road to Glasgow.
00:56Hi, I'm Shona Smith, and the United Nations has come to Milan, Italy, for a series of
01:19meetings and conferences leading up to the big COP26 in Glasgow, Scotland. What is the
01:25COP? It's the Conference of the Parties of the United Nations on climate issues, and
01:30is held annually. This all began at the Rio Earth Summit in 1992, when the global climate
01:37alarm was sounded. Since then, there have been a few key initiatives to come out of
01:41the COPs like the Kyoto Protocol and the Paris Agreements. But for the most part, the COPs
01:47have been a lot of talk and not a lot of action. This year is COP26, the 26th annual
01:55meeting. Over 26 years of meetings, discussions, summits, and suggestions. Meanwhile, the climate
02:03continues to worsen. Frustration levels are high, especially in the youth, which brings
02:09us to Milan. While the main COP is being held in the UK, Italy is the co host of the COP
02:16and is why we're here. Officially called the Pre-COP, the purpose is to provide countries
02:21with an informal setting to discuss and exchange views on key political aspects heading into
02:27Glasgow. Since we're in Italy, I wanted to know more about how the country is doing on
02:32climate action. So I caught up with our friends Maria Sole Bianco to talk about Milan and
02:38Italy. I think like many other countries in the world, Italy needs still to do many
02:45things to fully, even design and develop a strategy that effectively address climate
02:55change. Milan is a city where a lot of things have happened in that direction. It's one
03:03of the first cities in Italy for sustainable mobility. So we have a lot of car sharing,
03:09bike sharing, a lot of roads where bikes can go, and parks. So it's getting into that
03:19direction, but it's still one of the highest cities in terms of traffic that you have.
03:25Yes, I've noticed that. You noticed? But this is really beautiful. I think there's a lot
03:30of effort to integrate greenery with the city. Yes, this is an important part. And here we
03:37have a great example because we have these new buildings, but also behind that we have
03:44a nice park. And this also showcases how a city can be smart and also biodiversity friendly.
03:52The action and the activity that we carry on here in the city, even if we are a hundred
03:58kilometres away from the sea, have an impact on the ocean and on the health of the planet
04:03in general. So we call this project The Sea Starts From Here, because it's all connected
04:10and we can be stewards of the city and of the ocean at the same time.
04:17At the COP and the pre-COP, the UN is trying to include the youth of the world. They define
04:23youth as people under the age of 35. And in Milan, two days before the pre-COP, the UN
04:30is holding the Youth for Climate event. Almost 400 people between 15 to 29 years of age have
04:37been selected and invited to attend so that the UN can hear their voices. These young
04:43people were selected based on activism and geographical and gender balance. They're calling
04:49this driving ambition, and it's a nice slogan. The UN is encouraging the young people to
04:55contribute to the increase in climate ambition coming out of the 2015 Paris Agreement.
05:02But honestly, I'm a bit confused trying to figure all this out. I ran into several United
05:07Nations youth programmes that seemed to have the same purpose. I felt I needed a road map
05:12to navigate all the acronyms. Let's see if I've got this straight.
05:17First up is Youngo, and I sat down with Hita Lakhani, representing the Global South.
05:23So Youngo is the official mechanism, so we're the official youth constituency within the
05:27UNFCCC. There are nine constituencies for civil society engagement in general. The UN
05:32process is a country-driven, or in the UNFCCC case, a party-driven process. A country is
05:37called a party. And for civil society to engage, we're observers to the party-driven process,
05:43and there are nine observer constituencies. Youngo is one of the nine. We're basically
05:47a volunteer-based network of young people from across the world. We have close to 10,000
05:52members from 150-plus countries, close to 1,000-plus organisations that are part of
05:56our membership of volunteers that form our network called Youngo. The way we work is
06:02through working groups, so we have multiple working groups, close to about 20 now, that
06:06focus on different aspects, as long as it's related to climate and youth. Some of our
06:10working groups are very thematic, like very UNFCCC negotiation-based, like for example
06:15adaptation, mitigation, loss and damage, technology, finance. But we also have a lot of cross-cutting
06:21working groups like gender, human rights, health, indigenous peoples, renewable energy,
06:27cities, so on and so forth. So we're really, like I mentioned, a space open for youth to
06:31engage as long as the topic is relevant to young people and to climate. And there's the
06:36group of seven who are on the Secretary-General's Youth Advisory Group. I talked to Sophia
06:41Kiani about this. So it's a different group than Youngo. We were specifically created
06:46in order to advise the Secretary-General regularly on his climate action policy. So
06:51the seven of us from around the world, we meet with him regularly and we give him feedback
06:55on his climate strategy. And in addition to that, we hold consultations with the young
07:00people from around the world, both regionally and nationally, in order to basically get
07:04their temperament on what they think we should do as far as climate action and what specifically
07:08the Secretary-General should be doing. Why did the Secretary-General create this advisory
07:13group? I mean, I think he just wanted another way to be able to concretely engage with young
07:18people and to have young people meaningfully contribute to his climate strategy and to
07:23be able to first-hand provide him like our experiences and to give him basically like
07:28an update on what we're doing and what we think that people in our specific countries
07:32are doing as far as climate action goes. Because I think that it's great because we're all
07:36from seven different regions from around the world. And so we're able to kind of give our
07:39expertise on like, okay, for me, like what are US climate activists saying? What are
07:44we planning? And so we're able to give him regular updates, which I think is very valuable
07:48and very helpful. And the UN has other programs and groups and committees like Project 17,
07:54the youth ambassadors selected to attend this meeting and others. Is it a genuine effort
08:00from the UN to hear the youth or is it simply lip service? Some like Greta Thunberg believe
08:06it's an empty effort while others believe it's a genuine effort to include the voices
08:11of young people in the climate policies determined in the COP. I want to find the answer.
08:18Build back better, blah, blah, blah. Green economy, blah, blah, blah. Net zero by 205, 2050, blah, blah, blah.
08:31Net zero by 2050, blah, blah, blah. Net zero, blah, blah, blah. Climate neutral, blah, blah, blah.
08:41This is all we hear from our so-called leaders. Words, words that sound great, but so far
08:50has led to no action. Our leaders' intentional lack of action is a betrayal towards all present
08:58and future generations. If this is what they consider to be climate action, then we don't
09:04want it. They invite cherry-picked young people to meetings like this to pretend that they
09:11are listening to us, but they are not. Hope is not passive. Hope is not blah, blah, blah.
09:20Hope is telling the truth. Hope is taking action. And hope always comes from the people
09:28At the end of the day, we are not negotiators. We can't make these decisions for ourselves.
09:33So we have to wait for someone to take this into the COP for us. Even though we're there
09:37as civil society, we have a seat at the plenary. We can speak, but we can't make the decisions.
09:41We can't draft the text that's being done. And this is, I think, the biggest mismatch.
09:46And I think this is the sort of frustration that everyone has been feeling to see that,
09:52you know, people are shouting. They're taking to the streets now. A few years ago, when
09:55I started back in 2015-16, the awareness for even within youth was much lower. This
10:01has really skyrocketed, which is amazing to see so many young people, which is why we're
10:04an event like we are today, because everyone is talking about youth inclusion. But we really
10:10need to see how meaningfully young people are being included. Are their voices being
10:14really heard? Or is it just another declaration that's floating somewhere on the internet
10:19for people to look at? And this is somehow not matching a lot of the times.
10:24Here in Milan, I want to know if we're being tokenised like Greta talked about, or if there's
10:29a real point and purpose to these meetings like Hita and Sofia are working towards. I'm
10:35going to find out.
10:43While here at the Youth for Climate concert soundcheck, I ran into my new friend AY Young,
10:49who is performing at the conference. AY told me about how he struggled after being on the
10:54X Factor, but found the energy to continue making music. Upon learning that over a billion
11:01people don't have a reliable source of power, he used his music to bring sustainable energy
11:07to those without it. He is a rising voice in the global climate effort.
11:11I'm very action oriented. I've been a young leader for a year now. And I understand that
11:18sentiment of, man, are we really just in here to say something? Or are they really
11:22listening? You know, I think it's because we have this, we're so siloed. And even the
11:29youth is becoming siloed, I think, in this movement.
11:33Here is someone, part of a UN youth movement, Project 17, who is doing something. Project
11:3917 is all about the 17 climate goals recognised by the UN, and they selected 17 young people
11:46from around the world to be ambassadors for it. AY is the only American in the group.
11:52AY has seen a need in the world, the lack of access to energy, which is goal number
11:58seven. And he started doing something about it, providing renewable batteries, which is
12:03why he calls his concerts, The Battery Tour.
12:06No, it's not just about the concert, it's about an action. It's about after the concert,
12:11someone getting access to energy. Around the world, because there's a billion people that
12:15don't have energy. So let's get, you know, the world plugged into renewable energy. Right.
12:21So it's more along the lines of what I'm seeing from the youth, from like your Greta
12:25Thunbergs and your youth leaders of like, yeah, we can talk about something. Right.
12:30But action. And so I like to do the concert and then look around. Oh, OK, that kid in
12:37Honduras just got plugged in. Good. So let's amplify impact.
12:42With the undercurrent of frustration running through the youth, I asked AY if he's felt
12:47it and where he thinks it might be coming from.
12:50Honestly, when I heard about COP, I was like, oh, my God, like what's about to happen? Like,
12:56I'm actually still I'm here at COP right now. I'm looking around. I'm like, OK, so I'm guessing
13:00that like by tomorrow, like millions of people are just going to have like energy or like
13:05water or like what catastrophic thing is happening that like so many companies putting things
13:10on hold, flying out, people spending millions of dollars. Get my logo in front of that place.
13:14Like all this talking, talking, talking, talking, talking. And I'm like, I'm still trying to
13:18figure out, is the world about to be saved tomorrow? Like there's droughts and like it's
13:22warming up and like all this stuff's happening. Right. Like we're losing species. And I'm
13:27trying to figure out, like, what is so cool about COP, though? I really want to know because
13:32I it's so many like please tell me how all these people talking, you know, fixes all
13:38these issues. Like I share the frustration and like, OK, you can talk all day, you know,
13:44where's the action? Back at Youth for Climate, U.S. presidential envoy John Kerry answered
13:50some questions in a special session with the youth. He, too, was tired of all the talk
13:55and countries not doing their part. The IEA tells us we have to deploy renewables six
14:03times faster than we are today. We have to build forests five times faster than we are
14:08today. We have to stop coal five times faster than we are today. We have to deploy electric
14:13vehicles 22 times faster than we are today. So we're behind. And we have to stop the BS
14:23that is being thrown at us by a number of countries that have not been willing to sign
14:28up to what Great Britain has signed up to, we've signed up to, Japan, Canada, the EU.
14:36That is to keep 1.5 degrees alive. You have to insist. You have to light up the Internet.
14:43You have to light up social media. You have to do everything you can in this lead up to
14:47the COP to make certain that we are pushing other countries to do more than they have
14:54been willing to accept today so that we can, over the next 10 years, keep the 1.5 degrees
15:01alive. Well, clearly, it's not just the youth who are frustrated. Even seasoned politicians
15:08like John Kerry are feeling it. I'm really having trouble wrestling through this talk
15:13versus action. There's got to be answers. Let's find out when we return to Road to Glasgow.
15:22It's easy to march and protest and demand action. But what do we want to see happen?
15:28What are we protesting for? If we're calling for climate justice, what does that look like?
15:34If we're saying, let's get to net zero carbon emissions, how do we make that happen? I think
15:39for action to occur, we've got to be a wee bit more specific and a lot less general.
15:46And disappointingly, as I've talked to youth leaders, it's been difficult to get specifics.
15:51But youth ambassador from Italy, Daniella Guadagnolo, Sofia Chiani from the Secretary-General's
15:57Youth Advisory Group, and Young Go Global South leader Hita Lakhani had some good ideas.
16:03For me, one of the issues that I really care about, because I have a background also in
16:09IT and also economics, is about the technology and also the storage of green energy. Because
16:15at the moment, there is not a technology which is advanced enough to allow us to really exploit
16:23the potential of green energy. Because at the moment, we are still affixed with our
16:29economic models, which are based on CO2, oil, carbon and similar. But I think that for the
16:36future, we have also to shift this economic model to a more sustainable one. And for me,
16:42the role of energy is crucial.
16:44Creating specific measures in order to prevent greenwashing. So having specific claims and
16:51specific guidelines in order for something to be a public advertisement. So that's one
16:57specific thing that we discussed. Other specific things we discussed were implementing climate
17:03change curriculum into schools and then having a framework for what exactly would be taught,
17:08including climate justice, talking about intersectionality, talking about environmental
17:12racism in schools. So not just specifically having a climate change curriculum, broadly
17:17speaking, but also integrating climate change education within different frameworks like
17:21history and other subjects that are already taught in schools.
17:25One, we've been championing for young people to have a seat at the negotiations. So to
17:30every country to have youth negotiators as part of their delegation. You build that capacity,
17:36you train them, young people can do a lot of capacity building. We have young people
17:39who've been part of processes for years. So build the capacity of young people to be able
17:44to do the technical negotiations, ensure that they're part of your country delegation, give
17:49them a seat. And there are some countries that have amazing youth negotiator programs
17:53or youth delegate programs, but it's only a handful of countries and a majority of them
17:57are European based. So there's a lot of disparity. Global South voices are completely omitted
18:01from the technical or from from the physical participation in that sense as a youth negotiator.
18:07So that would be a huge win. We've been, you know, for years, we've been saying this young
18:11people need to be at the table and you can give them a seat at the table by making them
18:15a part of your delegation, not by having an event outside of the COP for them. Because
18:19that's not a seat at the table. We're just, you know, creating a new event which has no
18:23connection to the to the original one.
18:25A seat at the table. When Hita said that, I wasn't sure exactly what she meant. Aren't
18:30these meetings and young leader groups called by the UN for just that purpose? She cleared
18:35it up.
18:37The UN, the way it's structured really cannot make decisions. And that's the problem. People
18:41expect the UN to do things, but the UN cannot make decisions, especially the UNFCCC or the
18:45UN Climate Change Secretariat. It's a secretariat. It convenes meetings, it brings people together,
18:51it channels the process, but it does not take decisions. And this is where we're stuck.
18:55Decisions are taken by countries. That's why I said it's a country driven or it's a party
18:59driven process. And we need countries, for example, Italy, they're hosting this event
19:03now. It's an entirely country driven process, which is amazing. It's a great in into the
19:07process that you can just say, as Italy, they could just take this entire declaration and
19:12say this is going to be Italy's position at COP. But they're not going to do that. And
19:16this is just one declaration. This is one event. It's not. We've seen this for years.
19:21What we do need is real countries to listen to young people and not just say, OK, this
19:25is very inspiring. We want to listen to you. But what do you do after listening to us?
19:30And I think a lot of the times, you know, that doesn't match. They just want to listen
19:35and applaud. But at the end of it, they don't really want to champion. Like I said, we need
19:40to be a part of the delegations. Only then can our voices, we can speak for ourselves
19:44as long as we have the seat to.
19:46It's starting to make sense to me. Hita says that the UN can facilitate, can bring people
19:51together to find creative ways to solve problems. I talked to my friend Maria Solea about this.
19:58Do you feel like the IUCN and the UN organizations like that, that they're built for action?
20:05No. OK. I don't think so. I think that they are built for policy and to inspire action,
20:15to provide an agenda. But the action at the end, they happen at other level, grassroots
20:21levels, you know. But still, those moments of communities from all over the world getting
20:28together to discuss about solutions, to interact with each other, to share frustration, but
20:35also to inspire each other with solutions are fundamental. But at the end, the action
20:41needs to happen at the grassroots level.
20:43Right. So a lot of that frustration is just misplaced expectation about what these organizations
20:49are for, right? They're for discussing, but it needs to translate to...
20:55Yes, and they should have high ambition. I mean, you're right, 100%. They are a place
21:03for discussion. They are a place where strategy can be developed. They are a place where target
21:10can be set. So we need to be really part of the discussion in terms of deciding the
21:18ambition of those targets, of those goals, of those objectives. But at the end, the action
21:24doesn't happen in the UN level. They happen grassroots here. And so it's up to all the
21:30participants then to bring back the message to their nation and implement it in order
21:35to meet the objectives and the targets.
21:38I'm starting to discover something that is really helping me on this road. Certainly,
21:43I've been frustrated by the lack of action at these meetings and workshops and conferences.
21:48But here's what I've been experiencing here in Milan. The United Nations is not an organization
21:55that can provide action. They are a coming together to help plan the action. It's up
22:01to each country, each government and really each person to act. The UN cannot make them.
22:08By changing my expectations at these UN events, I'm less frustrated by them. Of course, it
22:15leaves a frustration at the various governments of the world who keep doing nothing or even
22:20worse say they're doing something when they're actually not. I've learned a lot on this road
22:26and I'm looking forward to going home. It's Scotland and COP26 on the next episode of
22:32Road to Glasgow.

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