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00:00I was also in the health insurance industry, so I had a total of about 1 million yen.
00:06I did a lot of tests, and at first I thought it was 30,000 yen, but if you look closely, it's 300,000 yen.
00:12You're going to do that with a test?
00:14The theme of tonight's deep talk is...
00:17As soon as you find out you're infertile, the world will change 180 degrees.
00:22I've never thought of it that way before.
00:28If you work hard, you'll get results.
00:32I'm going to do my best to achieve what I haven't decided.
00:36But there are bad things.
00:40It's like going through a dark tunnel.
00:44I don't think there's anything like the pain I've experienced before.
00:51Now, about 4.4 million Japanese couples are experiencing infertility.
00:57It's hard to identify the cause, and it's easy to prolong the test.
01:02It's called an endless treatment.
01:05So, the theme of tonight's deep talk is...
01:09The reality of infertility treatment.
01:12Infertility treatment was approved in 2022.
01:16However, there are certain conditions for approval.
01:19You have to be approved six times.
01:23If you don't get approved six times, you'll be infertile.
01:27So, I want to have a baby before I'm approved six times.
01:32I'm worried about that.
01:36The number of times you can get an abortion approved by insurance
01:40varies depending on your age.
01:42As you get older, the number decreases.
01:46I started when I was 40.
01:48I only got approved by insurance three times.
01:51I have two more to go.
01:53If I don't get approved by insurance, I'll be infertile again.
01:58I don't get approved by insurance at that time, so I'll probably be over 1 million.
02:03It's been about two months since I started going to the doctor.
02:06I've reached the age of not being approved by insurance.
02:09In the first place, there are many people who choose infertility treatment
02:13because they are old.
02:15If I don't get approved by insurance,
02:17I can only go to some people who are infertile.
02:21In addition, it is very difficult to balance
02:25psychological and physical burdened infertility treatment and work.
02:30I quit my job.
02:33The timing of the abortion is
02:35told to come on this day, this day, and this day next week.
02:40If I were working,
02:43I wonder if I can adjust so much.
02:46It was my favorite job.
02:48If I don't quit that job,
02:50I can't choose this kind of treatment,
02:53and I can't have a baby.
02:55It's hard.
02:57I think the field of childcare, prenatal education,
03:00care, and treatment is probably getting stronger.
03:04I think the field of infertility treatment is really
03:07a field that even large companies do not have the accuracy yet.
03:10I think it's okay to have a little more.
03:14In addition, there are many women who are hurt by the casual words of people around them.
03:19I want to cover my ears honestly
03:23about the reports of pregnancy around me,
03:26the fun stories with my children.
03:29I'm not making a baby.
03:31I'm thinking about it.
03:33I'm hurt because I'm asked easily,
03:38but it's hard to say that I'm doing infertility treatment.
03:44So, tonight, we will learn deeply about the reality of infertility treatment.
03:50The night when a man and a woman are in deep love.
03:58This program is a talk variety for adults talking about deep themes.
04:02I think I'll learn a lot about infertility treatment again this time.
04:05Did you have any mental problems?
04:08Did you have any words that you didn't want to say?
04:14My parents said,
04:17I'm not a child yet.
04:19Show me your face.
04:21I think it's hard for women.
04:25Especially when I was in the middle of treatment,
04:28I said, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
04:33You have to know a lot of things.
04:35After a few years of marriage,
04:37you think you have children.
04:39But there are more people who are doing infertility treatment than you think.
04:42You have to remember that.
04:44Yasuda-san, did you have any words that you didn't want to say?
04:50When I was told,
04:52I'm a child because I'm married.
04:54I said, I'll do my best.
04:57I'm doing infertility treatment, but I can't say that.
05:00I thought I was doing my best.
05:03There's no hope that you can do it.
05:07It's getting harder and harder.
05:10There was someone who was doing infertility treatment with me.
05:12I got a call saying, I did it.
05:15I said, congratulations.
05:17I felt complicated and had a hard time.
05:21I thought I was going to lose my mind.
05:24I turned off the switch in my heart.
05:27I couldn't feel anything.
05:29You don't like it, do you?
05:32It's not a sense of guilt that you can't be happy to have a child.
05:36I hated myself.
05:39I was losing my mind.
05:42I see.
05:44I was an athlete, so I was often thought to be mentally strong.
05:48When an athlete trains like this,
05:50the performance gets better and the results come out.
05:53I felt the response in my work so far.
05:58I thought the treatment was good.
06:01But I didn't think it was the right answer until I had a baby.
06:05It was hard for me.
06:08Until a while ago, there was a time when men took a day off from work.
06:15Is it easier to take a day off now?
06:21I didn't know my manager at the time.
06:24I didn't have that kind of experience yet.
06:29But I thought I should do my best at work.
06:33It was hard for me to understand.
06:36I don't think people understand it yet.
06:40I understand that you take a day off after you get pregnant.
06:44But don't you feel like you're taking a day off even though you're not pregnant?
06:49I think it's hard for people who work in the office.
06:55After I got pregnant, I was asked how many days I should take a day off.
07:00I wanted to make a plan, but it was up to my body.
07:03I had to act according to the flow.
07:07I couldn't take a day off in advance.
07:11Pregnancy treatments are often suddenly scheduled to determine the date of birth depending on the condition of the male.
07:19In addition, since the condition of the male has to be checked frequently,
07:24the frequency of sealing is increased once or twice a week.
07:28The current situation is that it is very difficult to keep up with work.
07:32So you don't ask the doctor for a few days off?
07:37It depends on the condition of the male.
07:41How many companies understand that you take a day off?
07:48I don't think it's possible to keep up with work.
07:53There is a company that provides a support system.
07:58It's about one-fourth of the company.
08:02It's about 10% of the company.
08:09It's about 73.5% of the company.
08:13The support system is not in place.
08:16When I went to the clinic, there were many people waiting in the waiting room while working.
08:25There were many people who quit their jobs because they didn't want to quit their jobs.
08:35There were few people around me who worked at a company.
08:41There were a few people who saved their jobs to get a job.
08:47I think it's tough to work at a company.
08:52There are people who don't want to work at a company.
08:55How can I tell my boss about this?
08:58I think there are a lot of problems.
09:00But it's better to be able to say that.
09:04Have you ever had a hard time?
09:06Mentally, it is said that work is the worst in a qualified environment.
09:11It's best not to work.
09:15It's good for your mental health.
09:17No stress.
09:19It's said that it's best not to work and go on a trip.
09:24But if you don't earn money, what are you going to do?
09:30You have to step on both the accelerator and the brake.
09:34You have to earn money and you have to take a break from work.
09:38It was the most difficult.
09:40I see.
09:42Did you have a hard time?
09:45First of all, it's money.
09:47At that time, I was still in the health insurance industry.
09:51I had a lot of tests.
09:53When I said I would pay, I thought it would be 300,000 yen.
09:57But it was 300,000 yen.
10:00What?
10:01Did you do that for a test?
10:03I made a mistake twice.
10:05300,000 yen for a test?
10:07How many patients did you have every time?
10:10At that time, it was the price of the health insurance industry.
10:14It was a big difference.
10:16It's expensive.
10:17There are a lot of drugs that improve blood flow and make it easier to maintain pregnancy.
10:24There are a lot of drugs to take.
10:27It's not the amount of drugs that you usually get.
10:32How much does it cost?
10:34There are hundreds of thousands of units.
10:37Is the drug that expensive?
10:39I was also in the health insurance industry.
10:42I put a card in my account.
10:44It costs 100,000 yen, 200,000 yen, and 300,000 yen.
10:47It costs that much every time.
10:49It costs about 100,000 yen a year to freeze the urine.
10:55Money is the most difficult thing.
10:58I see.
10:59Did you have a hard time, too?
11:01I was also in the health insurance industry.
11:04The last time I had a hemorrhage, I had to pay back 300,000 yen.
11:11It cost me about 1 million yen in total.
11:15I see.
11:16There are people who have a hard time financially.
11:24My friends around me decide how much they want to spend.
11:28They decide to spend 2 million yen or 3 million yen.
11:32They decide by age or money.
11:35They can't see the end.
11:37I see.
11:38I think there are a lot of people who decide by age or money.
11:43I spent about 3 million yen in total for three years.
11:48That's expensive.
11:50I spent 400,000 yen or 500,000 yen.
11:53It was a little expensive.
11:55I see.
11:56I can understand the situation of people who decide to stop here financially.
12:05Yes.
12:06Did you have a hard time financially, too?
12:09Yes.
12:10There are various options.
12:13You can choose the technology.
12:15If you choose this option, you may have a higher probability.
12:20You may think it's better to choose this option.
12:23It's usually against health insurance.
12:26It's very expensive.
12:29Every time I pay, I think,
12:31I think,
12:34I think,
12:38I think,
12:41I think,
12:43I think,
12:44I think,
12:46I think,
12:51I think,
12:54I think,
13:02I think,
13:04The cost of prenatal examination is about 100,000 to 200,000 yen per session.
13:09However, due to the use of health insurance,
13:12the women's system of infertility treatment that the country was doing is over.
13:16Many of the treatments that require prenatal examination and infertility treatment
13:20are self-inflicted, and in fact, the burden increases.
13:25As mentioned in the VTR earlier,
13:27depending on the age, the number of times the treatment is used.
13:32Yes.
13:33The longer the treatment is used, the longer it will last.
13:38It's getting shorter, isn't it?
13:40It's not like, please give up.
13:42No, no, it's not like that.
13:45What else do you know about infertility treatment?
13:50I recently learned that the number of ovaries is fixed.
13:56I may not know.
13:58When I was in school, I was told to be careful with condoms.
14:08What else do you know about infertility treatment?
14:12The number of ovaries is fixed.
14:16The number of ovaries in the mother's womb is about five months.
14:21It's going down from there.
14:24I didn't know that.
14:26The number of ovaries decreases with age,
14:28but in one ovary, 1,000 ovaries decrease.
14:31In puberty, about 300,000 ovaries decrease.
14:34And when you're 37 years old, 25,000 ovaries decrease.
14:37And when you're 50 years old, less than 1,000 ovaries decrease.
14:40I recently learned that.
14:42I didn't know that.
14:43I should have known that earlier.
14:46If I had been taught at school,
14:48I might have thought about getting pregnant earlier.
14:51That's right.
14:53A woman's body does not produce new ovaries while she is alive.
14:58The ovaries created before birth are stored in the ovary.
15:02One ovary is excreted in one ovulation,
15:05but about 1,000 ovaries decrease each ovulation.
15:09If the number of ovaries is small or the number of ovaries decreases early,
15:13even in the 30s, the ovaries may become flat.
15:17There is an AMH test to find out the number of ovaries.
15:22The number of ovaries decreases.
15:25I want to be taught at school.
15:28I want to be taught by men as well.
15:31That's dangerous.
15:33Ovaries are not just about the number of ovaries, but also about the quality.
15:36Unfortunately, the quality decreases as you age.
15:39That's why it's hard to get pregnant.
15:44Have you ever found out that you're pregnant?
15:48I learned that natural pregnancy is not as easy as I thought it would be.
15:56But when I was in school,
15:59I had to wear a condom and be careful.
16:07So I thought natural pregnancy was easy.
16:13But now that I've experienced it,
16:16I think it's natural.
16:20I want to be taught at school.
16:23I want to be taught that it's possible for both men and women to be infertile.
16:28I see.
16:30I think we need to know that if you have ovaries,
16:33you can definitely get pregnant.
16:38I want to make it easier for people who are trying to get pregnant.
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16:51We are looking for your concerns.
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17:02I think we need to know that if you have ovaries, you can definitely get pregnant.
17:09I also had ovaries in my early 30s.
17:12After that, I had a lot of miscarriages.
17:15I've been infertile for about three years.
17:18I don't think it's absolute.
17:20There are a lot of ovaries on the street right now.
17:24I want to tell you that you shouldn't think it's okay to have ovaries.
17:31There are a lot of people who know about infertility.
17:36But there are a lot of people who don't know about the test.
17:39For example, there is a test called TRIO.
17:42It's a general term for Emma, Ella, and Alice.
17:45It's a test to find out what's going on in the ovaries.
17:48For example, the right time to have an ovary is...
17:52Surprisingly, there's a difference in people.
17:54It's a test to find out the time.
17:57It's a test to find out if there's an ovary.
18:01It's a test to find out if there's an ovary.
18:06I found out about this test two years after I started infertility.
18:11Two of the three tests were really bad.
18:15If you'd told me a little bit more, I'd have done it sooner.
18:20I've got a lot of requests.
18:22So if you want to do it early, you should do it early.
18:27Kintaro, is there anything you'd like to say to the viewers?
18:30Yes.
18:31Infertility is a very delicate area.
18:35There are a lot of things that you don't know until you're a parent.
18:39I don't think it's about marriage or pregnancy.
18:43I think if you understand it, you'll be able to say,
18:48I want you to be more aware of infertility.
18:54I understand that there are a lot of people who are having a hard time.
18:59I hope this situation will make it easier for those who are working hard to say.
19:08We haven't caught up with the public yet.
19:13It was full of things I didn't know.
19:15It's really hard.
19:17Next time, we'll talk about gender bias.
19:20I've never told my son, I'm a boy, so don't cry.
19:25I've never said, I'm a boy, I'm a girl.
19:30Don't miss it!