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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Waseem Badami
Guests:
- Sheikh Waqas Akram PTI
- Senator Kamran Murtaza JUIF
- Ather Kazmi (Analyst)
- Muneeb Farooq (Analyst)
Are PTI and Maulana coming together on the streets? - Sheikh Waqas Akram Told Everything
Are negotiations happening between the government and PTI? - Sheikh Waqas Akram's Reaction
Ali Amin Gandapur, Bushra Bibi Ka Container Kis Nay Jalaya? - Sheikh Waqas Akram Reveal Insider
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Waseem Badami
Guests:
- Sheikh Waqas Akram PTI
- Senator Kamran Murtaza JUIF
- Ather Kazmi (Analyst)
- Muneeb Farooq (Analyst)
Are PTI and Maulana coming together on the streets? - Sheikh Waqas Akram Told Everything
Are negotiations happening between the government and PTI? - Sheikh Waqas Akram's Reaction
Ali Amin Gandapur, Bushra Bibi Ka Container Kis Nay Jalaya? - Sheikh Waqas Akram Reveal Insider
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00:00Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim, Assalamu Alaikum.
00:17Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim, Assalamu Alaikum.
00:19The situation in the country is such that if there is a slight disturbance,
00:22someone meets someone, someone gives a statement about someone,
00:25then a wave of new clarifications takes birth.
00:30For example, it has been seen for the past few days that Mr. Faisal Wawda,
00:34who openly says that I am not a part of the government,
00:38and there is an impression about him that he is close to power and power.
00:42He suddenly started to beat Noor League a lot.
00:45Then he suddenly started meeting Bilawar Bhutto Zardari Sahib.
00:48Suddenly, Mr. Wawda started beating the government a lot,
00:52that we can come on the roads, Islam Islamabad will come, we will do this, we will do that.
00:56Then he met Bilawar Bhutto Zardari Sahib.
01:01And then today he met Bilawar Bhutto Zardari Sahib,
01:04Mr. Maulana Fazlur Rehman Sahib.
01:06So this thing is taking birth, somewhere things are starting to happen,
01:10that something is going on.
01:11That sir, some change of this kind,
01:14then Mr. Faisal Wawda is also saying that Noor League has become a burden for this system.
01:18If this system divorces Noor League, then the system will get better.
01:21Obviously, when the system is saying, everyone knows what it is saying.
01:24So, a thing is taking birth, that is something like this,
01:28somewhere a plan is taking birth,
01:30that where the matter does not go towards a new election,
01:34but instead of Noor League, the People's Party comes to the front seat,
01:38then Maulana is also a part of it, somewhere PTI, something like this is there.
01:41There is nothing like this.
01:42First of all, you see this clip,
01:44Mr. Faisal Wawda has been strongly criticizing the government for the past few days,
01:50against the government, against Noor League.
01:52Let's see what he said in Mr. Mohammad Malik's program yesterday.
01:56To resolve the entire issue of Pakistan, you only need two things, two divorces.
02:01One, the divorce system will have to be given to Noor League.
02:03You are talking about politics.
02:06I am talking about political divorce.
02:07As soon as you do two things, Pakistan will start moving forward.
02:11Before that, he was very confused with Mr. Malik in a show,
02:15and he said this.
02:20Okay, we cannot run it now, we do not have the source.
02:24So, on one hand, this is Faisal Wawda's approach, this is in front of you.
02:29On the other hand, Mr. Kamran Murtaza,
02:32today he says that Mr. Bilawal Bhutto Zardari is with us on the Madaris Reforms Bill and all these matters.
02:38And what words did Maulana Sahib award to the Noor League government while addressing a gathering?
02:43See that.
02:45The bill on which the Pakistan People's Party agreed, I was a part of that agreement.
02:52In Lahore, in the presence of Asif Ali Zardari, in the presence of Bilawal Bhutto,
03:00in the house of Mian Nawaz Sharif, I had a five-hour discussion with him.
03:06And there too, we had agreed on this bill.
03:09And when it was passed, after it was passed, you got some more bills passed from the assembly.
03:17Mr. Zardari, you signed on all of them.
03:21Why has the bill not been signed on religious Madaris so far?
03:27The Jamiat-e-Ulema-e-Islam and religious Madaris
03:31will now rise in every corner of the country and they will move towards Islamabad.
03:40And when this world will move towards Islamabad, then even your father will not be able to stop us.
03:47You heard it.
03:48This matter is the Madaris Registration Bill,
03:51according to which the JUI said that when everyone was going around our houses for the 26th amendment,
03:56we were promised that if you support us in the 26th amendment,
03:59then we will approve the Madaris Registration Bill.
04:02Then we supported you in the 26th amendment.
04:04But the Madaris Registration Bill was not approved by Mr. Zardari because it was not signed by him.
04:11Mr. Kamran Murtaza said in our program that the government has deceived us,
04:14ditched us, and the promises made to us were not fulfilled.
04:18He also said this.
04:19So this is its background.
04:20Anyway, we will continue with this and ask the representatives of Maulana Sahib's party
04:24what this matter is.
04:25But while linking with this, we will come to the matters of Pakistan Justice Movement,
04:30whose senior leader and secretary-in-chief, Mr. Sheikh Waqas Akram Sahib is also present with us.
04:35I will continue the conversation with him in the form of a question.
04:38Huzoor, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
04:39Yes, Waalaikum-as-Salam.
04:42Sir, thank you very much for your time.
04:43Before anything else, since this discussion was going on,
04:46I would like to ask a question from the past.
04:48Obviously, the Pakistan Justice Movement case took place on 24th November.
04:51And now, as Mr. Khan said, there is another card.
04:53There is an impression, there is a thought that if not today, then tomorrow,
04:56after a month or three months, another call will be made in which they will come to Islamabad.
04:59And in such a situation, another group of the opposition, Maulana Fazlur Rahman,
05:02you have also heard about him, that we will also come to Islamabad
05:05and if we come, your father will not be able to stop this.
05:07Is there any possibility that both of them will agree on this matter or not?
05:12Obviously, it is difficult.
05:15No, sir, nothing is impossible.
05:19And I think that the possibility is absolutely valid.
05:24But it depends on what Mr. Imran Khan will do.
05:27Now, after this incident on 24th,
05:30our committee, again, the political parties
05:35with whom the negotiations were started before 24th,
05:39but due to the call on 24th,
05:41those things could not reach their political end.
05:44Many things were pending in terms of deliberations.
05:49Work is being done on it again and very soon many people will be seen together.
05:53And after that, it is not impossible.
05:57I am not saying that this will happen, when it will happen, how it will happen,
06:01but to say that this is not possible, this is not possible,
06:04anything is possible and anything can happen.
06:07If your goals become one,
06:09if you agree, then anything is possible, sir.
06:13And I am impressed with your words that PTI is going to start a completely fresh round of talks
06:17with all the opposition parties. Am I right?
06:20Look, sir, you cannot say fresh.
06:23Actually, many things had already been decided with many parties before 24th.
06:30These two big parties, whom we consider thieves or dacoits,
06:35apart from them, due to the call on 24th,
06:39because that call was PTI's call,
06:42things were not decided due to that.
06:46Now, you will resume it from there.
06:48Let's not say fresh, but it will be resumed, actually.
06:50Okay, fine.
06:51But tell me, today this is the adornment of newspapers,
06:53I mean, the adornment of television.
06:55Mr. Gauhar's statement must have passed from your point of view as well.
06:58Pakistan Tehreek-e-Islam, ready for talks with all political parties,
07:01says Gauhar after Islamabad protest debacle.
07:03So, is it okay to assume that PTI, all the parties,
07:08i.e. governmental parties, are ready for all talks or not?
07:12No, no such policy has been given by the party or any such decision has been made in this regard.
07:18Yes, it did happen today.
07:20Yesterday, the APC was called by the government here in KP.
07:26In that, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Islam has denied that they will not go,
07:30they will not sit with them.
07:32As for the other parties, I was saying earlier,
07:35with whom we had already started talks before 24th,
07:38we will resume that.
07:40These two parties are not included in it at the moment.
07:43Okay, so from today's statement,
07:46if this impression is going somewhere that PTI has offered or has opened a way
07:50that if the government wants to talk to us, we will do it,
07:52then this impression is wrong.
07:54This impression is completely wrong.
07:56Okay, it is completely wrong.
07:57You have no opinion in this.
07:59Look, on one hand, we have the dead of 12 martyrs,
08:04graves, corpses,
08:07and at the moment, those people who have done all this together,
08:11we are with them at the moment.
08:13This is not appropriate.
08:15This is not appropriate at the moment.
08:17Hmm.
08:18So, sir, then from here, an exemplary question.
08:20Then tell us from here, how will this matter move forward?
08:23Your point is that they killed 12 people,
08:26what should we talk to them?
08:28Their position is in their place, whatever it is.
08:31So, now this matter is stuck, how will it move forward from here?
08:34How do we move forward from here?
08:35Matters will move forward.
08:36Allah will guide us.
08:37Matters will move forward.
08:39Many other communities and many people of walks of life
08:43who were away from these things before,
08:45were away from us,
08:47because of their selfishness,
08:49because of their coercion,
08:51the question of why did they shoot is agreed upon.
08:55They say why did they shoot.
08:57You see that in terms of Ruby Korea,
08:59it seems like a martial law
09:01and the rumors there, not the police,
09:04they are in front of us.
09:06No bullets are fired.
09:07On one side there were guns,
09:08on the other side there were mobiles.
09:09This happened in Pakistan.
09:11On one side there were police and rangers.
09:13There were institutions that implemented the law.
09:15On the other side, there were young workers
09:17who had mobile phones,
09:18but here, you know,
09:19they were wearing flip-flops.
09:20So, I think that these things should be settled.
09:24Now we are in pain,
09:26there is grief,
09:28and Khan sir has opinions
09:30regarding Shoda.
09:32If we move forward on that,
09:34then things will move forward.
09:36Nothing is impossible.
09:38And in response to this question,
09:40what would you say, Sheikh sahib,
09:42who is saying this on a daily basis
09:44in press conferences,
09:46that on one side there were people
09:48who were shooting,
09:50and on the other side there were
09:52young people holding mobile phones.
09:54What would you say as a Secretary?
09:56Sir, listen to me.
09:58You have not seen
10:01that you have seen videos
10:03about snipers.
10:05Videos have been made,
10:07you can watch them.
10:09There, your personal channel,
10:11Jio, Hamid Mir sahib,
10:13said that there is a video
10:15that snipers are shooting.
10:17I don't know why he doesn't
10:19understand this video.
10:21We have not run it from our home.
10:23A media house has run it.
10:25There are a lot of videos.
10:27Now tell me,
10:30they were not professionals,
10:32but when bullets are fired,
10:45where will they take them?
10:47Where will they take those videos?
10:49And then there were so many
10:51media people there,
10:53there were journalists,
10:55there were very professional,
10:57very old journalists,
10:59who have taken shelter
11:01and have saved their lives
11:03when the protesters
11:05who were protesting
11:07were shot,
11:09where will they go?
11:11And sir, as we speak,
11:13what do you have to say
11:15about PTI?
11:17How many of your people
11:19have lost their lives?
11:21Sir, to date,
11:23the number of people
11:25who have lost their lives
11:28and whose lives
11:30have not been harmed
11:32is
11:34Sir, the number of injured
11:36Sir, the number of injured
11:38Sir, the number of injured
11:40according to our records
11:42in hospitals,
11:44in Peshawar,
11:46in Pindi,
11:48there are more than
11:50three and a half hundred.
11:52And are there any missing?
11:54If yes, how many?
11:56If yes, how many?
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21:17Is it okay to say that this discussion
21:19took place only on that one point
21:21in today's meeting?
21:23A lot has been discussed.
21:25A lot has been discussed.
21:27This was also a point.
21:29I mean, you can say that
21:31this was the main point.
21:33The rest has been discussed on other things as well.
21:35Now, it is a matter of a closed room.
21:37Then I will say it.
21:41As you had said
21:43earlier in our program that
21:45we have been deceived.
21:47The government has deceived us.
21:49This bill was assured
21:51that it would be passed after the 26th amendment
21:53but Mr. Zardari did not sign it.
21:55So, what does Mr. Bilawal say?
21:57What is the reason for not signing it?
21:59Something like this had already been decided.
22:01What Mr. Bilawal had to say today
22:03was that it is possible
22:05that tomorrow,
22:07let's say,
22:09if you would have brought
22:11such a bill,
22:13but it is possible that we would not have supported it.
22:15But now, we have voted for it.
22:17We have decided with you.
22:19Now, this bill is not yours.
22:21This bill is ours as well.
22:23And in any case,
22:25it will be presented
22:27in the form of a law.
22:29So, if he is doing so much harm,
22:31then he should have signed it.
22:33Mr. Zardari,
22:35I don't know what his compulsion is.
22:37But the path of compulsion
22:39was a little...
22:41So, Mr. Bilawal said
22:43that okay,
22:45we will consider
22:47your proposal.
22:49We will discuss it.
22:51And we will talk about it
22:53after a couple of days.
22:55So, you mentioned compulsion.
22:57There must be some compulsion.
22:59People do not become disloyal just like that.
23:01So, is there any such compulsion?
23:03People do not become disloyal just like that.
23:05So, is there any such compulsion
23:07in your opinion, Mr. Zardari?
23:09Well,
23:11it seems that Mr. Zardari
23:13is from the People's Party.
23:15But when Mr. Zardari is the President,
23:17then he is from the state.
23:19Then he has to take care of the state's interests as well.
23:21You know, he is from the state.
23:23I did not say that he should take care of the interests.
23:25I said that Mr. Zardari is from the state as well.
23:27No. Sir, this is happening a lot.
23:29Please verify this impression
23:31or refute it.
23:33On one hand, there is Mr. Wawda,
23:35who is considered to be close to the underpowered boys.
23:37He met Mr. Bilawal.
23:39Mr. Bilawal met him here.
23:41In Islamabad, people say that
23:43in the next 4-8 months,
23:45I have heard this off the record from some people,
23:47these sinful ears,
23:49that as a result of this,
23:51the Noon League should be removed from the driving seat
23:53and the People's Party should come
23:55and a new Sabbandi should be formed.
23:57Do you think there is such a thing?
23:59Well, after this meeting,
24:01I had not reached my office yet.
24:03I was in the bus.
24:05Mr. Zardari had called me.
24:07He was saying that
24:09he could meet Mr. Zardari.
24:11I said that I have just left.
24:13We will meet tomorrow.
24:15I told him that I will meet him
24:17after 2-3 pm tomorrow.
24:19I have also conveyed the message.
24:21I will do whatever time I get.
24:23I expect to meet Mr. Wawda
24:25tomorrow,
24:27God willing.
24:31The other thing is that
24:33the driving seat in Pakistan
24:35is a very low seat.
24:37Anyone can sit on it
24:39at any time.
24:41You can also sit on it.
24:43Me too?
24:45Everything is possible in Pakistan.
24:47You can come as a caretaker.
24:51And if I can come as a caretaker,
24:53who cannot even be elected as a councillor
24:55in my area,
24:57then you, as an elected MNA
24:59and a senator,
25:01can come as a caretaker.
25:03What if there is a change in the system?
25:05Earlier, caretakers were not elected.
25:07My friend, Anwar,
25:09was not elected.
25:11If he can be elected,
25:13why can't Mr. Badami be elected?
25:15And if Mr. Badami can be elected,
25:17then Mr. Maulana can be elected.
25:19Mr. Maulana should not be
25:21elected as a caretaker.
25:23I am talking about a new system.
25:25The system can change at any time.
25:27This is an unacceptable government.
25:29You agree with this, right?
25:31Yes.
25:33No matter how many claims they make,
25:35they say that there is a psychological limit.
25:37This happened, that happened,
25:39but it is an unacceptable government.
25:41Despite this, no one believes them.
25:45They have no goodwill in the market.
25:49But if there is such a set-up
25:51that the Noon League moves back
25:53and the People's Party moves forward,
25:55will it be acceptable?
25:57Bilawal is a good man.
25:59There is nothing wrong with him.
26:09If Mr. Bilawal gets the steering,
26:11then you can also become a passenger.
26:15I don't know.
26:17I am not a decision-maker in the party.
26:23Mr. Bilawal is a good man.
26:25There is nothing wrong with him.
26:27He is a sensible man.
26:29I have seen his depth.
26:31It is very interesting.
26:33In the last few days,
26:35many people have been convinced
26:37that Mr. Bilawal is a good man.
26:39Tomorrow, all parties are going to the Noon League.
26:41Are you going?
26:43Yes, I am going.
26:45I think the Mullahs have permitted
26:47the Subah-e-Jamaat to go.
26:51They asked me what I wanted to say.
26:53I said that you have to listen
26:55to what they have to say.
26:59Right.
27:01We have heard Mr. Maulana's statement
27:03that if we come to Islamabad,
27:05we can do this and that.
27:07Is this the same tradition
27:09that if there is no signature on it,
27:11then we can come to Islamabad?
27:13Yes.
27:15We had told them that
27:17they can think up to eight
27:19and we can think up to eight.
27:21We had a commitment
27:23and after the commitment,
27:25you all voted on it.
27:27After voting,
27:29both the animals were approved.
27:31Not only was it approved,
27:33but after that,
27:35there was only one objection.
27:37We addressed that objection.
27:39There cannot be an objection
27:41in a peace deal.
27:43You raised an objection
27:45and it was addressed.
27:47After that,
27:49if there is an objection
27:51and it is not signed,
27:53then the matter is over.
27:55After that,
27:57the deal has to be signed.
27:59The last question is about Governor Raj.
28:01It was discussed in the Cabinet.
28:03In your opinion,
28:05is there a situation
28:07in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
28:09where Governor Raj should be appointed?
28:11Despite the fact that
28:13Governor Raj is a part of the constitution,
28:15I still think it is unfair
28:17and I reject it.
28:19I think that the community
28:21is in the same situation.
28:23Thank you very much.
28:25Thank you very much,
28:27Kamran Murtaza.
28:29Let's have a brief discussion
28:31with our two friends.
28:33We will take a short break.
28:41Without further ado,
28:43Brother Athar Kazmi
28:45and Brother Muneeb Farooq
28:47are with us.
28:49I am very thankful to both of them.
28:51Before this,
28:53Muneeb was talking to the politicians.
28:55I would like you to comment on this.
28:57Yesterday,
28:59I spoke to some of my political friends
29:01and they said that this system
29:03is not going to work anymore
29:05and the composition of the system
29:07will change.
29:09Either the National Government
29:11will come or the People's Party
29:13will come.
29:15The system is like a funeral procession.
29:17The system should be divorced.
29:19Personally,
29:21I don't think so.
29:23What do you think?
29:25Thank you very much,
29:27Mr. Naveen.
29:29Our country's politics
29:31is event-driven.
29:33If something happens,
29:35we cannot predict
29:37what will happen.
29:39But if I talk about today,
29:41the issues
29:43of Pakistan's
29:45establishment
29:47and this government,
29:49as I said earlier,
29:51I gave you an example
29:53that there used to be
29:55same page, same page.
29:57Now, there is no page.
29:59Now, there is a syllabus on which
30:01the government is working.
30:03In fact, it is reading it.
30:05So, when there is a situation
30:07that is so event-driven,
30:09the Prime Minister,
30:11Mohammad Sahibaz Sharif,
30:13himself said that
30:15one life, two hearts.
30:17He said this about himself
30:19and about General Asim Munir.
30:21This tells you how much
30:23there is solidarity.
30:25And the situation
30:27in Pakistan's establishment
30:29has two signatories.
30:31One is Mian Nawaz Sharif
30:33and the other is Asim Zardari.
30:35The rest of the personalities
30:37are in their respective places.
30:39But the situation that is going on
30:41is because of all these personalities.
30:43Now,
30:45no doubt, Asim Zardari
30:47would have wished
30:49and should have wished
30:51that his son should become
30:53the Prime Minister of this country
30:55because he checks all the boxes
30:57that he is educated,
30:59he has been a foreign minister,
31:01he is following his grandfather's pedigree,
31:03everything is there.
31:05I don't see any change
31:07in the way things are.
31:09We have a friend
31:11of ours, Faisal Wada,
31:13his observations are very important.
31:15But I don't think
31:17anything like this is happening.
31:19Maybe our brother
31:21has made it sweeter in his own way.
31:23Yes,
31:25I have my own assessments.
31:27I have my own opinions.
31:29But I feel that
31:31whatever has been decided,
31:33it is a little above the
31:35matters of Atar Bhai or Faisal Wada.
31:37It is above our pay grade.
31:39Right.
31:41I have one more question for you,
31:43but if you want to comment,
31:45you can comment.
31:47And you tell me,
31:49is there any comparison
31:51to this?
31:53If someone says that
31:55sir, that is fine,
31:57but it is a matter of yesterday.
31:59Mr. Khan also used to say
32:01that it is a matter of yesterday,
32:03but it is a matter of today.
32:05And here the matter has gone
32:07far ahead.
32:09One thing is that
32:11Muneeb sir counted everyone's
32:13pay grade and said that
32:15it is a matter of above them.
32:17So I think in between
32:19he would have also counted
32:21Shahbaz Sharif that
32:23it is a matter of above them.
32:25The issue is that
32:27as much as Shahbaz Sharif
32:29will be counted,
32:31his services will be remembered
32:33in the history of Shahbaz.
32:35Exactly.
32:37I don't think that
32:39in the current scenario,
32:41any other Prime Minister
32:43can serve the country and the nation
32:45in the same way as he is doing.
32:47So it may be a desire
32:49to bring Bilawal sir.
32:51We have been listening to this
32:53talk for a long time.
32:55It has been emphasizing it
32:57I don't think it is more than a desire.
32:59The current situation is that
33:01neither Imran Khan's
33:03affairs can be fixed by the establishment
33:05nor is there any desire of the establishment.
33:07Look,
33:09it is an issue of personalities.
33:11The real issue is of Khan's personality.
33:13It is not just an issue of the Jamaat
33:15that this is a Jamaat and it has an opinion.
33:17Similarly, there is an issue of personalities
33:19on the other side as well.
33:21So I think it is just a matter,
33:23a desire, nothing more than that.
33:25I will ask this question to Muneeb bhai.
33:27As I was saying today,
33:29I think that on one hand,
33:31the power and anger is a reality
33:33and it is not going anywhere
33:35in the times to come.
33:37And on the other hand,
33:39the popularity in the public is a reality
33:41and it is not going anywhere in the near future.
33:43How did it come out like this?
33:45If not a month, then in 4 months
33:47there will be another call,
33:49then a stick, then a stick,
33:51then tears.
33:53Look,
33:55the political parties will have to play their role.
33:57The parliament
33:59will play its role.
34:01Here, we repeatedly mention the parliament.
34:03Yesterday, we saw that there was a march in South Korea.
34:05The role played by the parliament
34:07was seen by the whole world.
34:09Here as well, the parliament opens at night,
34:11but unfortunately, for the interests
34:13of the powerful, it opens for their protection.
34:15So this is the difference between the 45th form
34:17of the parliament in South Korea.
34:19They have solved the problem.
34:21The 45th and 47th form of the parliament
34:23as Moulana Sahib said,
34:25whoever is there, they are here.
34:27If you look at these issues,
34:29I feel that until the issues
34:31are not settled in some places,
34:33they have a chance.
34:35Look, this is not an unlimited window
34:37that if these issues are not solved,
34:39the issues will continue.
34:41You saw that there was a very unfortunate incident
34:43here in Islamabad.
34:45The situation can get worse.
34:47All of them should realize this.
34:49I don't know what the issue is.
34:51It's a deadlock.
34:53They don't understand.
34:55I can't see things moving forward.
34:57I don't know either.
34:59What is your opinion on this?
35:01How long will this continue?
35:03How long?
35:05Ideally,
35:07this dispute should end.
35:09This is neither good
35:11for the PTI
35:13nor for the establishment.
35:15Let's be very clear about it.
35:17Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf
35:19is a large community.
35:21It is not good for them
35:23to have a dispute with the establishment.
35:25The government is the beneficiary of this dispute.
35:27It will continue as it is.
35:29I don't see anything wrong with it.
35:31They will want this dispute to continue.
35:33They will definitely talk about it.
35:35They will give showcase statements
35:37to talk about it.
35:39But obviously,
35:41they don't want
35:43a void between
35:45the government
35:47and the establishment.
35:49I don't see that.
35:51But,
35:53I don't see
35:55any desire
35:57in the establishment.
35:59The logic says
36:01that a person has been in jail
36:03for 1.5 years.
36:05He should be released.
36:07He is the former prime minister.
36:09He should be released.
36:11Having said that,
36:13the ground reality
36:15is that this was done on 26th November.
36:17This has pushed
36:19Imran Khan
36:21further into jail.
36:23The people
36:25of his community
36:27have started a latest work.
36:29His wife,
36:31Respected Aleema Khan Sahiba,
36:33has given an interview
36:35to an Australian television
36:37in which she has directly said
36:39that whatever happened on 26th November
36:41was done by the Prime Minister
36:43and the Interior Minister.
36:45Which is drastic.
36:47Because with this approach,
36:49you cannot bring
36:51or push yourself back
36:53to the negotiating table.
36:55This will not earn you anything.
36:57You are only going to get worse
36:59from here.
37:01From the looks of it, at least.
37:03Mr. Athar,
37:05can January,
37:07Donald Trump,
37:09and now the domestic situation
37:11has worsened so much,
37:13and of course, we cannot
37:15negate the Mohammed bin Salman factor.
37:17His closeness to Donald Trump,
37:19his opinion about Mr. Khan,
37:21and his current military
37:23and civil leadership.
37:25Can this factor bring
37:27a dramatic change in the situation?
37:29Or is this also selling
37:31in the market with a lot of sweetness?
37:33Look, in a lot of matters
37:35in Pakistan,
37:37they play an important role.
37:39America and other countries
37:41also play an important role.
37:43Not in the Middle East,
37:45but North America and Europe.
37:47The overseas Pakistanis there,
37:49I have a consistent view
37:51that the government
37:53underestimated them in the beginning.
37:55They will create a big problem for them.
37:57And they have created a big problem for them.
37:59The way it was said in the beginning
38:01that we are making their lists,
38:03this action will be taken against them.
38:05Whether it is the government,
38:07or people in Australia,
38:09or North America, Canada,
38:11or in America,
38:13the agreement of the Congress
38:15was unprecedented.
38:17It is not possible that it will not affect here.
38:19Because the people sitting in the government
38:21themselves told the whole nation
38:23that America is our ventilator.
38:25All ventilators are installed there.
38:27So it will definitely affect.
38:29And the government is under pressure
38:31and it is visible.
38:33They have said a few things.
38:35They have conveyed a few things to them.
38:37In short,
38:39whatever you are doing is not appropriate.
38:41They are feeling that pinch.
38:43I don't think they will be able to sustain it
38:45for a long time at the governmental level.
38:47And you will see that in the next
38:49two or three months,
38:51you will see some change.
38:53Mr. Muneer, we were joking
38:55that you should fight today.
38:57I really like what you both said.
38:59Despite being different,
39:01do you agree that
39:03this pressure can increase
39:05so much that
39:07it becomes a headache
39:09for the government?
39:11What is this?
39:13Get out of there.
39:15Look,
39:17what Mr. Kazmi just said,
39:19I will only say this much.
39:21Look, I told you earlier that
39:23our country's politics is event-driven.
39:25But what is being done
39:27is that
39:29the change that has taken place in America
39:31will make a big difference
39:33in Pakistan.
39:35A lot of friends have said that
39:37there will be a call and the doors will open.
39:39I just want to say that
39:41on behalf of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf,
39:43recently,
39:45Ms. Bushra's video statement
39:47has caused a lot of damage to the PTI.
39:49And it has put the government
39:51in an illusion
39:53if not in reality,
39:55at least in an illusion.
39:57But okay, after this,
39:59our matters are fine.
40:01And anyway, the government of Pakistan,
40:03the entire state,
40:05wants to operate America
40:07via Riyadh.
40:09And they think,
40:11and this is not a myth, by the way,
40:13it is a reality.
40:15This is actually what is going to happen.
40:17This is what they are going to do.
40:19Whether it pays off or not,
40:21that's a separate debate.
40:23But right now,
40:25this is what is going to happen.
40:27But you see, overall,
40:29if there is no pressure on the government of Pakistan,
40:31then the ambassadors
40:33who were being called
40:35and the benefits of fake news
40:37were being told
40:39and what Tariq-e-Insaf has done in the past,
40:41it is not possible
40:43that you are a part of the globe
40:45and you are sitting
40:47without any notice.
40:49This is not possible.
40:51The world knows that in your country,
40:53it does not work without a VPN
40:55or any other way.
40:57The world knows that you have other problems.
40:59There are embassies of
41:0170-80-100 countries in Islamabad.
41:03And the president of Belarus
41:05had come to Islamabad at the time
41:07when there was a crisis in Islamabad.
41:09Can the pressure increase so much
41:11that the system has to make a decision
41:13as a result of which the status of the system
41:15can change in 10 seconds?
41:17Can the pressure increase so much
41:19in the times to come?
41:21I don't see that happening.
41:23I don't think so.
41:25The way the system is insulated
41:27and it has done it to itself,
41:29what can we say about it?
41:31Anything can happen.
41:33God forbid, something big happens tomorrow.
41:35What can be said about it?
41:37Thank you very much.
41:39We conclude the break.
41:41So, before we go,
41:43Mr. Kamal al-Mustaza
41:45in the program of Khabar Break
41:47said that Faisal Wawda
41:49has asked for time to meet Faisal Wawda.
41:51And it is highly possible
41:53that tomorrow Faisal Wawda
41:55will meet Maulana Fadlur Rehman.
41:57The same Faisal Wawda
41:59who is praising Bilawar Bhutto Zardari
42:01and Kamal al-Mustaza
42:03who is saying that Bilawar Bhutto
42:05is a good and sensible man.
42:07We will meet tomorrow.
42:09Allah Hafiz.