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- Dr Musadik Malik PMLN
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"If PTI Wants Elections, They Should Bring a Vote of No Confidence.."Musadik Malik's Statement
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:16As you know, the hot topic right now is negotiations.
00:19We are also seeing that the pressure is increasing on the government.
00:22First, there was a condemnation of the European Union,
00:25that the trials of civilians have been punished in the military court.
00:29Then the UK government took a stance on this.
00:32Today, the US has also taken a stance.
00:34Matthew Miller, who is a spokesperson, also spoke on this today.
00:37And even though he said that it should be according to the constitution of Pakistan,
00:41the issue of the constitution is still in the Supreme Court.
00:45And as Mr. Ali Zafar was saying,
00:47if the Supreme Court bench has declared this trial legitimate in the military court of civilians,
00:53then all these things will become meaningless.
00:56That is also not so easy.
00:58But it seems that everyone was interested in sitting on this bench, the judges.
01:02Now there is more pressure on them.
01:04On the other hand, we are seeing that the committees that have been formed,
01:07are also very enthusiastic.
01:10A lot of expectations have also arisen.
01:12But a question arises, everyone asks, what will happen?
01:15And this is the question that I will ask my panelists today.
01:19The fact is that there are two red lines of the government and the establishment.
01:23One is the fresh elections.
01:25The easy solution to all these political crises is to have fresh elections.
01:28Whoever wins now, he will come and form a government.
01:31There will be credibility.
01:33He will also have national support.
01:35Anyway, this is the red line of the elections of the establishment and the government.
01:40The second red line is the release of Imran Khan.
01:42Because the government and the establishment think that if Imran Khan comes out,
01:46then this system will not work anyway.
01:48So if Imran Khan's release is the red line,
01:50and if the election is one of the impossibilities,
01:52then what will happen in the meeting?
01:54Then what will the PTI have to go with?
01:56And we will talk about this.
01:58The success of the discussion is because of these two things.
02:01We have joined us in the first part of the program.
02:03Sheikh Waqas Akram Sahib has given us the second information.
02:05Assalamu Alaikum Sheikh Sahib.
02:07Walaikum Assalam.
02:09Sheikh Sahib, two very interesting things have developed today.
02:11One is, listen to Gauhar Sahib,
02:14because he has raised a very important point in the program,
02:17maybe he was also asking you,
02:19that this is an open-ended dialogue,
02:22so the government can run it for as long as they want.
02:25Today it seems that Khan Sahib has said that there should be a time frame for this.
02:28But listen to that too,
02:30and more importantly,
02:32your former President Alvi Sahib's statement is very interesting.
02:35I would like your comment on that too from the beginning.
02:37But first listen to both.
02:40I have told Khan Sahib that the negotiations have started.
02:44Khan Sahib said that it is a good thing.
02:46Negotiations are taking place.
02:48But there should be a time frame.
02:50There should be some progress in that time frame.
02:52This is better.
02:54We have said before that the time frame we are expecting is that
02:56as soon as possible,
02:58whatever our demands are,
03:00two major demands,
03:02there should be some progress in that.
03:04If the negotiations start,
03:06we will take back the civil disobedience.
03:08Is there any discussion on this?
03:10No, there is no discussion on this.
03:12Whatever we have said,
03:14the negotiations are taking place.
03:16The one who has power,
03:18should be the owner of power.
03:20Not the owner of the government, but the owner of power.
03:22There is a time frame where there are genuine differences.
03:24There is no time frame where there is occupation.
03:26I advise them
03:28to backstep in some way.
03:30To convince him in some way.
03:32To totally reverse
03:34the regime change
03:36in some way.
03:38That they should leave Imran Khan Sahib
03:40and put him under house arrest.
03:42I advise Imran Khan Sahib
03:44not to follow this suggestion.
03:46It is not a matter of one and a half month.
03:48Imran Khan Sahib would have been alive
03:50on the basis of which this regime change was brought.
03:52The same leaders have weakened his oxygen.
03:54There is going to be a change.
03:56The stars have come into confluence.
03:58Domestic and international.
04:00President Alvi Sahib did not
04:02wave a sword when he was president.
04:04And Khan Sahib was expecting a few things from him.
04:06Now he has taken out
04:08a very scary type of sword.
04:10He even says that even if Khan Sahib is moved
04:12from Patiala to his home,
04:14he should not do that.
04:16He should not do that at all.
04:18He is sitting comfortably at home.
04:20Why is he suddenly waving a sword?
04:24I don't know, sir.
04:26He is a political worker.
04:28He is a part of the party.
04:30He is a former president.
04:32He has a lot of respect.
04:34But the truth is
04:36that Khan Sahib's instructions and guidelines
04:38are his hand-picked committee.
04:40And to what extent
04:42he can go ahead
04:44and to what extent he will go ahead.
04:46He has been told some things.
04:48And for some things, the committee
04:50has asked for access to Imran Khan Sahib.
04:52Because without meeting Imran Khan Sahib,
04:54a second or third term of these talks
04:56will not be possible.
04:58So this is the discretion of that committee.
05:00I think we should leave it
05:02to the committee
05:04which will follow
05:06the guidelines
05:08and will discuss
05:10and whatever the result will be
05:12will not be acceptable
05:14without Imran Khan Sahib's consent.
05:16I think
05:18whatever the stance
05:20will be, whatever the position will be,
05:22this is just a preliminary meeting.
05:24Why is Arbi Sahib
05:26standing at the door of his own house
05:28to close it?
05:30He is not going home.
05:32He is sitting in jail.
05:34I think that
05:36every person has emotions
05:38and he expresses his emotions
05:40according to his nature
05:42and respect for his opinion.
05:44But I think that
05:46the authority of the negotiation team
05:48and to what extent
05:50they can exercise
05:52that authority,
05:54Imran Khan Sahib will tell it
05:56and he will understand it better.
05:58We feel that all the cases
06:00are false against Imran Khan Sahib
06:02The government
06:04will want to
06:06engage for a long time
06:08in negotiations.
06:10Imran Khan Sahib raised a point
06:12that there should be a time frame.
06:14But Gauhar Sahib came out
06:16and said that the time frame
06:18should be as soon as possible.
06:20Do you think
06:22that without a specific time frame
06:24the negotiations
06:26will be meaningful?
06:28They will not be
06:30meaningful.
06:32You have raised the right
06:34concern.
06:36That is why we want
06:38to meet Imran Khan Sahib
06:40as soon as possible
06:42so that we can
06:44have a realistic time frame
06:46keeping in view
06:48the situation inside or outside.
06:50We will meet
06:52before 2nd of August
06:54and without a time frame
06:56it will be a free-floating situation.
06:58What is your
07:00time frame?
07:02Before 20th of January
07:04or after 20th of January?
07:06Sir, we want
07:08this to be done as soon as possible
07:10because every person
07:12who is unlawfully, illegally
07:14detained, is in jail,
07:16is a political prisoner, is innocent
07:18has fake documents.
07:20I don't think that
07:22one hour or one minute...
07:24Sheikh Sahib, tell me one thing.
07:26During the November protest
07:28everything was going on.
07:30I was informed
07:32and we shared that
07:343-4 things were on the table.
07:36One was that
07:38the prisoners, including
07:40Yasmin Rashid Sahiba
07:42will be released in phases
07:44and will be allowed to go to medical grounds.
07:46The rest will be released in phases
07:48according to their age.
07:50The small things that happen
07:52with Imran Khan Sahib
07:54such as 4-day lockdown,
07:562-day power cut,
07:58irritation,
08:00all the irritating things
08:02will not happen.
08:04He will be comfortable.
08:06Bushra Bibi's case
08:08will not be dragged into everything.
08:10But,
08:12release is out of the question.
08:14Even now, it is a simple solution.
08:16If elections are held today,
08:18problems will be solved.
08:20Clearly, they won't allow elections.
08:22But, if elections are held today,
08:24the ruling alliance,
08:26establishment, everything will be there.
08:28Then, what is left to discuss?
08:30If you don't get elections
08:32and Khan Sahib is not released,
08:34isn't this an exercise in futility?
08:36I think that
08:38we should not jump to the conclusions
08:40before the dialogue
08:42is made.
08:44I think that
08:46Khan Sahib's release
08:48is not his own.
08:50There are 4-5 people
08:52including the Governor,
08:54Mahmood Rashid,
08:56Senator Ijaz Chaudhry,
08:58Dr. Yasmeen Rashid.
09:00We cannot compromise
09:02on the release of
09:04every single person
09:06and the high-powered
09:08Judicial Commission.
09:10I think it depends
09:12on the number of talks
09:14and how people
09:16want to resolve the issue.
09:18There is no other solution.
09:20There is no other way.
09:22The stature of the committee
09:24tells us a lot.
09:26You have 8-9 people,
09:28the government has 9 people,
09:30including Ali Khan Sahib,
09:32Salik Hussain, Jaz-ul-Haq,
09:34Maghjid Sahib.
09:36We have seen that
09:38whenever 18-18 committees
09:40sit together,
09:42there is a marshall.
09:44Where 4-4 people sit together,
09:46is there a solution
09:48or is there a marshall?
09:50Historically,
09:52as you are saying,
09:54things are like this.
09:56I don't know what you
09:58want me to say,
10:00but what I would say
10:02is that when there is
10:04such a big and important issue
10:06with different sensitivities
10:08and the stake of the people
10:10of every province,
10:12especially of the whole country,
10:14people want to be a part
10:16of this process
10:18so that they can play their role.
10:20I think a lot of people
10:22were ready to play their role.
10:24Here, Ali Khan Sahib
10:26nominated 5 people first
10:28and 2 later,
10:30looking at the nature of the issue
10:32and the legalities,
10:34included 2 people.
10:36Let's be positive.
10:38Yesterday, Rauf Hassan Sahib
10:40said in my show
10:42that we are negotiating
10:44indirectly with the establishment.
10:46Is that true?
10:48He said in your show
10:50that you have run
10:52a lot of headlines.
10:54I asked Rauf
10:56that you have run
10:58a lot of headlines in your show.
11:00Earlier, you said
11:02that it seems
11:04and you remember
11:06that you gave a news
11:08that Nihal Khan Sahib
11:10will not be punished.
11:12I said that
11:14he will not be announced.
11:16He has to be punished.
11:18I said that
11:20he will not be punished.
11:22People used to give news
11:24but I don't know
11:26who is giving news.
11:28You should know
11:30where the seeds are.
11:32I understand that
11:34if you look at
11:36Nana Sanaullah Sahib's statement
11:38and the meaning of it,
11:40he said in 2-3 places
11:42that the establishment's approval
11:44or their...
11:46He said in my show
11:48that pre- and post-approval
11:50will be included.
11:52Obviously, I think
11:54Rana Sahib is talking sense
11:56and a government
11:58on which we are blaming
12:00and keep blaming
12:02that it is installed,
12:04form 47,
12:06what we are saying
12:08is like that.
12:10If I ask you
12:12on a scale of 1-100,
12:14how much success
12:16do you think
12:18our negotiations
12:20have been successful?
12:22How many percent possibility
12:24do you see?
12:26Possibility of the success
12:28of this committee?
12:30Yes, of this whole
12:32negotiation process.
12:34It will be very difficult
12:36to predict because
12:38the first meeting
12:40was pleasant.
12:42But you see
12:44that you heard Khawaja Asif's
12:46conversation.
12:48That same night,
12:50he was shown live
12:52on many channels.
12:54Spoilers are everywhere.
12:56I think that if the second
12:58and third meeting is held,
13:00then we will be able to
13:02predict their seriousness
13:04and chances.
13:06It is difficult to say now
13:08because things seem to be fine.
13:10Sheikh Sahib, thank you
13:12very much for giving us time.
13:14In English,
13:16it is said that
13:18sometimes you win
13:20and sometimes you lose.
13:22Sometimes winning
13:24is simply not losing.
13:26Maybe PTI is on this formula
13:28that even if we are not losing,
13:30we are winning.
13:32Let's see what happens next.
13:34Dr. Musadeq Malik is joining us
13:36after the break.
13:38We will talk to him about
13:40PMLN's politics.
13:48Welcome back.
13:50Before the break,
13:52let's talk to Sheikh Waqas
13:54about the government's
13:56intentions.
13:58What is your intention?
14:00Mr. Imran Khan says
14:02to let the committee meet.
14:04He says that he wants to meet.
14:06If you are so sincere,
14:08why don't you let the committee meet?
14:10We will meet.
14:12People are meeting.
14:14If the committee
14:16expresses its wish,
14:18then the committee will also meet.
14:20Let the committee meet in one piece.
14:22It is not like that.
14:24When someone wants to meet,
14:26it is not like I will forcefully
14:28take you to Mr. Imran Khan.
14:30I think we should
14:32follow the protocol.
14:34If the issues are being
14:36discussed,
14:38I think the conversation
14:40has started.
14:42It was a frozen situation.
14:44There was a television program
14:46and you were telling us
14:48that we should reach out.
14:50This is an opportunity.
14:52You were telling them not to
14:54discuss the issue.
14:56The solution is very simple.
14:58Let there be fresh elections.
15:00Let the debate end.
15:02Let there be no
15:04elections.
15:06Secondly,
15:08don't let Imran Khan come out.
15:10If he comes out,
15:12it will be a very disruptive process.
15:14When these two things
15:16will not happen,
15:18what will the government have
15:20to negotiate?
15:22If you let the government
15:24run peacefully,
15:26you will have peace.
15:28What do you have to give them?
15:30You say we can't say anything
15:32to the courts.
15:34What do you bring to the table?
15:36Whatever protocol is in place
15:38in the country will be
15:40in accordance with the law.
15:42The Prime Minister has the
15:44privilege to dissolve his
15:46government at any time
15:48and go to the elections.
15:50If he wants to
15:52overthrow the government,
15:54he should come and
15:56vote of no confidence
15:58like we did.
16:00It is strange
16:02that when the elections
16:04ended,
16:06Mr. Shabaz Sharif
16:08said that the elections
16:10were not fair.
16:12Many of our friends
16:14said that the elections
16:16were not going well
16:18and we should come
16:20and form a government.
16:22We will give you the first chance.
16:24You are the majority.
16:26Everyone said that
16:28Mr. Mian has already said that.
16:30Mr. Khursheed Shah
16:32said that we will support you
16:34like we support PMLN.
16:36We want you to form a government.
16:38People said that
16:40Mr. Khursheed has already
16:42called to show off.
16:44Mr. Chand took a delegation
16:46and said that he has come
16:48from the People's Party
16:50to ask you to form a government.
16:52Even today, if they think
16:54that there should be a new election,
16:56they should vote of no confidence
16:58and dissolve the government.
17:00I want to know what you have
17:02to offer them.
17:04They say that we will give you
17:06peace, we will not protest,
17:08we will not block the city.
17:10What do you have to give them?
17:12You can give them one thing,
17:14but you have no objection
17:16to the Supreme Court's decision.
17:18No, I have no objection.
17:20Everyone was saying that
17:22it has been a year and a half
17:24and there has been no indictment.
17:26Now the process is over
17:28and the indictments have started.
17:30Now all the indictments
17:32have gone to the court.
17:34Now the cases have started.
17:36Now you will say that
17:38the decisions are not being made.
17:40Then the decisions will also
17:42be announced.
17:44This means that the process
17:46that you were saying
17:48that it has been six months
17:50and nine months,
17:52is now over.
17:54The way things are in the country,
17:56there have been indictments,
17:58cases, punishments,
18:00and people are being released.
18:02This process will continue.
18:04What do you have to offer
18:06to Imran Khan?
18:08I think there is a process.
18:10There is an atmosphere of trust.
18:12This happens every time.
18:14For which it was said
18:16that you come and make a government.
18:18Now you come and sit
18:20and decide on a method.
18:22Sit with the government,
18:24sit with all the religious communities,
18:26sit with your political allies
18:28and allies and decide
18:30how to run this country.
18:32And run in that way.
18:34The changes that are needed
18:36in the elections,
18:38you will get trust.
18:40So whatever you put on the table,
18:42you will get in the next election.
18:44Whatever you get after four years,
18:46you are not putting anything on the table now.
18:48What you are saying is a little strange.
18:50Because what you are framing
18:52is that you leave the government.
18:54No, I am not saying that.
18:56When you say that you have only one solution
18:58to get an election,
19:00that is to get an election this morning.
19:02Then the answer to that is
19:04that you go and vote
19:06and then dissolve the government.
19:08Because the country will run under the constitution.
19:10How can you vote?
19:12You have taken their seats.
19:14And if you say that you have not taken their seats,
19:16they say that you have to do an inquiry.
19:18Their demand is wrong.
19:20Seriously, I want to understand.
19:22They have said that neither the executive
19:24nor we do the two demands.
19:26They said that the senior judges
19:28should get two inquiries from them.
19:30In my opinion,
19:32all these things are disingenuous.
19:34The reason for that is
19:36that if what you are saying is right,
19:38then when the invitation was given
19:40that you should make a government
19:42and do everything under your supervision,
19:44then you should have done it.
19:46There are so many bad political decisions.
19:48If you go to a particular place,
19:50you feel that it is disingenuous.
19:52When kids play cricket,
19:54a kid takes his turn
19:56and then Victor runs away.
19:58That I play or no play.
20:00So that I play or no play
20:02is the same thing.
20:04I play or no play.
20:06Then the negotiations will be meaningless.
20:08No, they are not meaningless.
20:10They can also be meaningless.
20:12If all these parties understand
20:14that there is no place for dialogue,
20:16there should be no dialogue in political parties.
20:18Right now, we all have hard positions.
20:20We have a position
20:22that I am giving you
20:24that you should vote of no confidence in the morning.
20:26Even then, the People's Party said
20:28and other parties said
20:30that you should make alliances
20:32and do not abuse people.
20:34Do not talk about people's daughters.
20:36You should make an alliance in the morning.
20:38They say that our people's houses
20:40are being raided.
20:42This is true.
20:44Then how sincere is the government?
20:46You should not do 9th May.
20:48That is an old thing.
20:50You are still raiding people.
20:52But the police is still beating them.
20:54The police is still beating them.
20:56The police is still beating them.
20:58You are doing this.
21:00This is an old thing.
21:02It has been 1.5-2 years.
21:04You go to other people's houses
21:06and raid them to scare them.
21:08Then how will the logic work?
21:10I will talk to you again.
21:12We are taking diagonal positions.
21:14Let's assume that both sides are behaving wrongly.
21:16I will drag you again and again
21:18and I will say that
21:20you are in any country in the world,
21:22in America,
21:24and the police should take out a gun.
21:26Even if two police officers
21:28and two-five rangers beat you,
21:30what will happen to you?
21:32You should be beaten in England.
21:34You should go to Capitol Hill.
21:36The ranger's son is in your custody.
21:38He has met with an accident.
21:40You should not bring him in between.
21:42What will you justify?
21:44You should let the police die.
21:46You should stop the rangers.
21:48I am also saying that
21:50when your behavior does not change...
21:52You should also listen to the rangers.
21:54I have never said anything like this
21:56in any TV program.
21:58I have said that
22:00there should be an investigation.
22:02But I want to tell you that
22:04when a chief minister
22:06from a province
22:08comes with a gunman,
22:10an Afghani,
22:12who shoots at your camera,
22:14and says that
22:16he is going to capture Darul Khilafah,
22:18or before going,
22:20he says that he will attack the jail
22:22and release the prisoners.
22:24So any person
22:26who has a track record
22:28from 9th to May,
22:30or before that,
22:32in the case of Tahirul Qadri,
22:34in which he attacked Pardiman,
22:36should have a track record
22:38of 2, 3, 4 times
22:40of murdering,
22:42setting fire,
22:44capturing...
22:46You also have a record
22:48of shooting in Model Town.
22:50Everyone has a record.
22:52I am saying that
22:54everyone had to suffer.
22:56So those who did it now,
22:58will also have to suffer.
23:00If in 9th May,
23:02people were in jail
23:04and they had to give
23:06evidence of their innocence,
23:08or had to go through
23:10a whole litigation process...
23:12Realistically speaking,
23:14this is a matter of power plays.
23:16How many percent do you think
23:18that these negotiations
23:20will be meaningful and successful?
23:22I am hopeful.
23:2410%, 20%, 50%?
23:26See, the toss-up
23:28is always there.
23:30But I think that if the parties
23:32have come and sat down,
23:34at any time, anyone can set fire
23:36to this negotiation process.
23:38Do you have a mandate or authority
23:40because the army's 9th May...
23:42The people who have come
23:44and sat with us,
23:46if they allow this process
23:48to continue,
23:50then this is the essence
23:52of diplomacy.
23:54If I agree with you...
23:56When the press release
23:58of the ISPR came,
24:00there were convictions
24:02which the world is now criticizing.
24:04One said that it was a failed
24:06attempt of political terrorism.
24:08Then they came and said,
24:10this was three days ago,
24:12that justice will be
24:14truly, fully served
24:16once the mastermind and planners
24:18of 9th May tragedy are punished
24:20as per the constitution
24:22and vigorously pursued.
24:24This evil should be eradicated
24:26from the roots.
24:28Violence-driven, destructive politics
24:30based on hate, divisiveness
24:32and baseless propaganda.
24:34So they said,
24:36until your mastermind and planners
24:38are eradicated,
24:40this evil, this political terrorism...
24:42They are not ready to talk
24:44about it or leave it.
24:46So you are just
24:48completing an argument.
24:50If you think so...
24:52It's a question.
24:54A few days ago,
24:56your questions were different.
24:58A few days ago,
25:00the question was,
25:02why aren't you
25:04availing this opportunity?
25:06I am not saying no.
25:08I am asking,
25:10if you will do your programme,
25:12I will request.
25:14If I agree with you,
25:16then only the army chief and Imran Khan
25:18should talk to each other.
25:20This is Imran Khan's desire.
25:22This is what he says.
25:24This is why he scares people.
25:26Sometimes he says,
25:28I will follow you to the grave.
25:30Sometimes he says,
25:32for God's sake,
25:34nominate one person
25:36whom we can talk to.
25:38You can launch campaigns
25:40about people's wives and children
25:42on social media.
25:44You remember the general
25:46who was martyred.
25:48He launched campaigns
25:50about his family.
25:52Then leave these things
25:54and try to talk politely.
25:56It is not possible that
25:58as soon as someone starts talking,
26:00first you send someone to talk.
26:02Then you face the camera
26:04and talk nonsense.
26:06Leave the conversation.
26:08Then talk.
26:10If they say,
26:12this is my team,
26:14they will start a political dialogue.
26:16Then you are saying,
26:18you have authority.
26:20This is not right.
26:22Dialogues start like this.
26:24You create a space
26:26in which you can talk.
26:28Let's hope that
26:30everybody can think beyond their own self.
26:32Let's take a break.
26:34Welcome back to the show.
26:36Last two days,
26:38people's party,
26:40the parliamentarians,
26:42Shazia Murray,
26:44etc.
26:46raised a big issue.
26:48It was about gas.
26:50They said,
26:52LNG,
26:54which is three times the cost
26:56of national gas,
26:58is a big issue.
27:00They said,
27:02LNG,
27:04which is three times the cost
27:06of national gas,
27:08is a big issue.
27:10The minister said,
27:12what can we do?
27:14The parliamentary panel
27:16said,
27:18there is a loss of 40 billion
27:20in theft,
27:22theft,
27:24theft,
27:26theft,
27:28theft,
27:30theft,
27:32theft,
27:34theft,
27:36filth,
27:38filth,
27:40filth,
27:42scarcity.
27:44There is a shortage.
27:46People's households
27:48are short of gas.
27:50From how much
27:52is travelling ,
27:54how much is more can be determined.
27:56There is a shortage.
27:58This gas is around Rs. 800-900.
28:02Although it is of Rs. 570, but because it has less thermal content,
28:07so if you adjust the thermal content, then you can assume that it is a gas of Rs. 800-900.
28:12The second gas is that which comes to your homes, goes to factories,
28:16through which people's stoves run, through which industry runs,
28:20through which people's businesses run, commercial enterprises run.
28:25This gas is of Rs. 1,300-1,400.
28:27This comes through pipes to your homes, goes to factories.
28:31The third gas is LNG.
28:33This gas is of Rs. 3,600.
28:35These are three gases.
28:37Where is the problem coming from?
28:39We have made agreements at the international level on LNG.
28:43The agreements on LNG were made so that electricity companies
28:47will use this LNG and make electricity.
28:50The current situation is that since the price of LNG is Rs. 3,600,
28:54the factories that wanted to run at 100% electricity,
28:58which should have run through LNG,
29:00run at 30-35%.
29:02So the LNG that should have been used,
29:06is not being used because of the high price.
29:10When it is not being used,
29:12then we burn the gas of Rs. 3,600 in stoves.
29:16That is, we burn the gas of Rs. 3,600 in stoves for Rs. 1,200-1,400.
29:22Because we have to buy that gas.
29:24We have international agreements.
29:26How long is this long-term?
29:28Let me tell you.
29:30Let me conclude the logic.
29:32When we burn gas in stoves,
29:34what is the result?
29:36Wellhead gas should be burned in stoves.
29:38The cheap gas that comes out of the well
29:40and comes to your home through the pipe.
29:42Then you have to close that well.
29:44Because the pipe has the same capacity.
29:46So when you take LNG
29:48and instead of using it for electricity,
29:50and instead of running it in factories,
29:52in houses,
29:54and start giving it to the industry,
29:56then the gas that was supposed to come out of the well,
29:58you closed it.
30:00So look at the bad luck
30:02that by closing cheap gas,
30:04by buying expensive gas,
30:06by selling it cheaply,
30:08the national treasury is being harmed.
30:10This is the reason.
30:12And what is its root cause?
30:14Its root cause is a policy.
30:16Our policy is that
30:18all the LNG,
30:20the expensive gas,
30:22when we divert it and burn it cheaply in stoves,
30:24then our policy says
30:26that in the next 6 months,
30:28the price of gas should be added to the diversion.
30:30That is, the amount of damage
30:32should be added to the new price.
30:34So the price of gas has increased by 800%.
30:36Let me tell you slowly.
30:38I am trying to explain to you.
30:40It will keep increasing.
30:42When you divert it
30:44and add it to the new price,
30:46then LNG becomes more expensive.
30:48When it becomes more expensive,
30:50then it is used less to generate electricity.
30:52When it is used less,
30:54then it diverts more.
30:56When it diverts more,
30:58then more wells are closed.
31:00When more wells are closed,
31:02then our E&P companies are also destroyed.
31:04That is, they can earn money,
31:06but they cannot earn.
31:08Their well formation also deteriorates
31:10when they are closed.
31:12So the price of gas increases
31:14and people do not get gas.
31:16What a great problem!
31:18The solution to this problem
31:20is to reduce the price
31:22of all the gas.
31:24Shazia Murry
31:26talked about this
31:28in Article 158.
31:32She was absolutely right.
31:34No one is saying
31:36that the rights of the provinces
31:38will be taken from them.
31:40If the first right belongs to the province,
31:42then the first right will always
31:44belong to the province
31:46from where the gas comes out.
31:48And it should remain
31:50according to the law.
31:52But when you equalize the price,
31:54then all this gas will be
31:56equal to Rs.1700-1800.
31:58When it becomes Rs.1700-1800,
32:00then all the LNG factories
32:02will be shut down
32:04and the price of electricity
32:06will come down.
32:08If you make LNG with
32:10pipeline gas,
32:12then the price will
32:14come down to Rs.10-12.
32:16Because of ring fencing,
32:18LNG is one thing
32:20and pipeline is another.
32:22You are making
32:24Rs.12 electricity
32:26for Rs.22 or Rs.24.
32:28When this price increases,
32:30then 100% electricity factories
32:32will start operating.
32:34100% of our factories
32:36will start operating.
32:38People will get jobs.
32:40There will be another shift.
32:42Now if someone is getting
32:44Rs.3000-Rs.2500 gas,
32:46if he gets Rs.2000,
32:48then he will run another shift.
32:50Those who come to you
32:52every day and object,
32:54that our price is higher
32:56than Bangladesh,
32:58then the price will
33:00come down.
33:02What will be the impact
33:04of this?
33:34What is the problem?
34:04We will not let the first right
34:06end at any cost.
34:08Your gas will become cheaper
34:10and your people's gas will
34:12remain the same.
34:14If we want to protect the poor
34:16and fertilizers,
34:18then we will do it.
34:20We will increase the price
34:22to Rs.100-200.
34:24We will increase it to Rs.2200
34:26or Rs.2300.
34:28People will get gas for
34:30Rs.24.
34:32Why don't you
34:34address the issue of
34:36corruption and theft?
34:58I am afraid we have
35:00run out of time.
35:04We will call you again next week
35:06because we have to address
35:08the issue of gas on a daily basis.
35:10Take care.