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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Mariam Aiman and you are watching Aki Top Story.
00:15Once again, Imran Khan of Pakistan Tariq Insaaf has given a statement on civil disobedience.
00:20We will talk about this in the first segment of the program.
00:23After that, Mr. Mulana has given a slight indication of Islamabad march.
00:26Some of his matters are not right with the government.
00:28And in such a situation, we are hearing a lot of praises of Bilawal Bhutto Zardari from different corners.
00:33What is this matter? We will talk about this in the program.
00:35In the end, the police of Islamabad has come to the fore that Pakistanis are not being profiled here.
00:40But from within the PMLN, their own politicians are confirming that Islamabad and its two Nawabs,
00:47the Pashtuns, are being stopped by the police.
00:50We will take a look at this in the last segment of the program.
00:52Let's start.
00:53Pakistan Tariq Insaaf has announced to start a civil disobedience movement.
00:57Imran Khan himself and his sister, Aleema Khan Sahiba, have confirmed this.
01:06What did Aleema Khan Sahiba say?
01:08There are two demands.
01:11One demand is that a JIT should be set up under the Supreme Court.
01:17JIT should investigate on 9th May and 26th November.
01:22Apart from that, we do not trust anyone.
01:24The other demand is that all political prisoners should be released on 9th May and 26th November.
01:34If these two demands are not met, we will go to the JITs.
01:41For the government, this is an ultimatum on behalf of Tariq Insaaf.
01:44Tariq Insaaf has already launched a civil disobedience movement.
01:48It was not successful.
01:50It was not a wise decision.
01:52However, they had complete backing from within the system.
01:56Will Tariq Insaaf succeed this time?
01:58Will this happen or not?
02:00Meanwhile, the temperature of the government is also rising.
02:06Vaisal Warda was present in the show a few days ago.
02:10He considers Bilawal Bhutto to be a charismatic leader.
02:13He is also hinting that this could be a steering wheel change for the government.
02:18Listen to this.
02:19You will have to bring a new face.
02:22Does Bilawal come in that new face or not?
02:26In political parties, if you have to walk with a political funeral,
02:31and Allah has written that you have to be among these people,
02:34then there are good people in these parties as well.
02:36Bring them in front of you.
02:37When JYF was asked that if Bilawal comes on the steering wheel,
02:41then there is no harm in it.
02:43He also looked very comfortable with Bilawal.
02:46Listen to Kamran Murtaza.
02:49If the Noon League is behind and the People's Party is ahead,
02:52will it be accepted as unacceptable?
02:54I don't know.
02:55But Bilawal is a good man.
03:00There is nothing wrong with him.
03:03We are seeing some changes in Punjab as well.
03:06We can see some activities in Punjab.
03:08I saw a picture.
03:09Bilawal Bhutto Zardari of the People's Party of Pakistan
03:12welcomed TLP's Malik Kamal-e-Tarawal and Sayyid Atif Hussain Shah.
03:18TLP's old ticket holders are also choosing Punjab in the People's Party.
03:22There are a lot of developments.
03:24Where is this going?
03:25Fawad Chaudhary is with us today.
03:27He met Imran Khan yesterday.
03:29After a long time, Nadeem Afzal Chand is also joining the People's Party of Pakistan.
03:33Thank you very much.
03:34You are coming on my show after a long time.
03:36I think you have come on television.
03:37Yes, I have come on television.
03:38Are you sad?
03:41There is a lot of smoke.
03:43Political smoke.
03:44Do you still see the People's Party as a political smog?
03:48When you come into a smoggy society,
03:50then some natural ways are formed.
03:53And things never stop from being suppressed.
03:57Nor has it ever stopped in history.
04:00The system that is being tried to run in a hybrid way,
04:04I don't think such systems work in the country.
04:07So, the country runs on political institutions.
04:10And political institutions come in two ways.
04:13Either you are the stick of a big dictator,
04:16You have seen the era of Musharraf, Ayub Khan, Yahya Khan, Zia ul Haq.
04:22They could not be successful in this country.
04:25Then why are you talking about the stick of a dictator?
04:27I think there is only one thing.
04:29The political dialogues in political parties,
04:33and whatever is acceptable for each other,
04:35and we will have to come up with a minimum agenda or a maximum agenda.
04:39And this will be better for the country, for the people, for the democracy.
04:44Then what about the stick of a dictator?
04:47Did Mr. Bilawal say this?
04:49I met Mr. Bilawal in great detail yesterday.
04:52There was no such thing.
04:54He gave a statement on that basis.
04:56I think he has already made a joke that people are trying to bring through the stick.
05:04So, I don't think it comes like this.
05:06The stick comes from something else.
05:08Mr. Khan's problem was that he did not do political dialogues.
05:11And there is a lack of political dialogues in the current government.
05:14If the government would have run without political dialogues,
05:17then Mr. Khan would have run.
05:19Mr. Mian has also gone to the two-thirds majority.
05:21So, I think when we sit off the record,
05:25we talk about everything, that this is what will happen to everyone ultimately.
05:29So, ultimately, the workers, the people, everyone is tired of such systems.
05:34Daily protests, fights, beatings by the police.
05:39The police officers are also tired.
05:41Our institutions are abused.
05:43So, we are abused.
05:45The country is weak. The state is weak.
05:47So, I think the only solution to all problems is political dialogue.
05:50There is no other solution.
05:52So, I agree 100% with the political dialogue.
05:54You met Mr. Khan yesterday.
05:56After a long time.
05:57How was the meeting?
05:59Complaints, complaints?
06:01No, I met him before.
06:03When I was in the Election Commission.
06:05I met him after the elections.
06:07Okay, let's put it that way.
06:09He was very warm.
06:11Mr. Khan is always very kind.
06:13I was very happy to see that he is on fitness pre-2018 elections.
06:17Because he is getting a chance to do exercise,
06:20which he could not do for 2-3 years.
06:22He has reduced his weight by a few kgs.
06:25So, because of that, he looks younger.
06:27So, why do you feed the people of your Jamaat?
06:29I don't know what medicines are being given to them.
06:31Since Twitter has started subscribing, that is also a problem.
06:35So, they are very smart.
06:37They were your employees.
06:39They were saying that this is happening, that is happening.
06:41People are getting worried.
06:43No, Elon Musk is responsible for this.
06:45He has started subscribing on Twitter.
06:47So, there is no responsibility on Mr. Tehreek-e-Insaf.
06:49He doesn't have to take responsibility for anything.
06:51He is doing this and that.
06:53No, this is what is going on.
06:55This is the reason why he stays out.
06:57No, it is fine.
06:59But he has been treated very cruelly.
07:01Yesterday, Mr. Khan told me that
07:03in the last 5 days,
07:05his death cell has been limited.
07:07The people in the death cell
07:09are also allowed to go out.
07:11The problem is,
07:13when you stop information,
07:15disinformation spreads.
07:17So, the problem is that
07:19they have turned off Mr. Khan's light.
07:21He still doesn't get any newspaper.
07:23So, these are his problems.
07:25But I must say, I must admire.
07:27I have seen his transition.
07:29And I was among those few people
07:31whom I was saying from the first day
07:33that Imran Khan should not be imprisoned.
07:35This is a misunderstanding.
07:37And he is in the same condition
07:39as he used to talk in Bani Gala
07:41or Zamaan Park.
07:43But is he doing any political research or not?
07:45He has already tried the civil disobedience method.
07:47Do you work?
07:49He has tried it.
07:51He has tried it since 1920.
07:53You are talking about 2014.
07:55In 2014,
07:57the society was not so divisive.
07:59Now, the society is divisive.
08:01But he has qualified it.
08:03For the first time,
08:05he has made a committee
08:07on 5 people,
08:093 of whom are very political people.
08:11Asad Qaiser, Omar Ayub,
08:13Ali Ameen.
08:15Now, he is asking this committee
08:17to discuss on 2 points.
08:19He said that there should be a political dialogue.
08:21But PTI has given it.
08:23Now, the government
08:25has to tell us in the next 48 hours.
08:27And to be fair,
08:29if I am advising Mohsin Naqvi,
08:31not as his adversary,
08:33but as his friend,
08:35my advice will be that he should make a foreign commission.
08:37Tomorrow,
08:39he will be arrested.
08:41Now, he is saying,
08:43all the seasons are in your hands.
08:45You do not know what accountability is.
08:47Accountability happens later.
08:49FIRs happen later.
08:51You should make a commission
08:53and let these facts come out.
08:55You should make a commission
08:57under the Supreme Court.
08:59But you are giving a deadline of 14th December.
09:01So, the political parties
09:03think that we have a gun on our head.
09:05If we have to discuss
09:07that it is 14th December,
09:09we are giving a deadline.
09:11See,
09:13PTI, Fawad is a man of political mind.
09:15See,
09:17he has tried all the ways.
09:19He has given protests.
09:21He has given protests again and again.
09:23Now,
09:25try to have a political dialogue.
09:27And to say that we will only
09:29talk to the establishment,
09:31I think this is also an insult to politics.
09:33He has changed.
09:35Thank you very much.
09:37Now, in a political dialogue,
09:39I think they should
09:41announce that
09:43they want to meet the Jamaats.
09:45This is our agenda.
09:47In comparison to that,
09:49the PO party should also give their agenda.
09:51Maulana Fusro Rehman, HX Zahid,
09:53there are people who already
09:55have meetings with them.
09:57So, I think,
09:59this is a very good time.
10:01The agenda is getting late.
10:03The more it gets late,
10:05the more Pakistan will suffer.
10:07See, when the politicians
10:09sit together,
10:11when they fight,
10:13there is no space.
10:15The more they fight,
10:17the more they abuse each other,
10:19there will be no space.
10:21Because now,
10:23the leadership of Mr. Bhutto
10:25or the leadership of B.B.
10:27has also gone.
10:29Now, there is a new youth
10:31who has only read politics
10:33on Twitter or social media.
10:35They have never done a comparative
10:37study of politics.
10:39So, I think,
10:41the politicians should
10:43sit together.
10:45But this is a theory.
10:47Now, what is the problem?
10:49The problem is,
10:51who has to create the environment
10:53for discussion?
10:55First of all,
10:57what is your dispute resolution
10:59in any Muslim society?
11:01First of all,
11:03the people have the right
11:05to form a government.
11:07Then, the judges
11:09have to decide
11:11on the cases.
11:13Anti-terrorism judges
11:15who gave a little relief
11:17to their families.
11:19You see, what happened
11:21to the Chief Justice
11:23of the Lahore High Court.
11:25You see, what happened
11:27to the six judges
11:29of the Lahore High Court.
11:31And then you finished
11:33the Supreme Court.
11:35Now, your problem is,
11:37apart from the protest,
11:39when this protest was taking place,
11:41when you played the videos,
11:43they said, Mohsin Naqvi,
11:45there is no question of dialogue.
11:47So, if the government,
11:49I told you about Imran Khan,
11:51I think, at this time,
11:53at least 8000-10,000 people
11:55will still be arrested.
11:57And lakhs, they have published
11:59in two years, lakhs.
12:01Every Pakistani citizen is sad.
12:03Nadeem's house,
12:05he has released 18 people.
12:07Every person is sad
12:09because of these actions.
12:11What do you want to do?
12:13You want to run the government
12:15with a stick and a bullet.
12:17Whatever can be done,
12:19is being done.
12:21You didn't even run the government
12:23with politics.
12:25Mr. Rehman is upset with you.
12:27See, some things have happened
12:29that I think,
12:31some people are cruel,
12:33some people are dying.
12:35Some reactionary things have happened
12:37in the reaction of PTI.
12:39Some things have happened
12:41in which PTI has made major blunders.
12:43For example, what was the need
12:45of General Faiz's fight
12:47to spread it all over the country?
12:49There was no fight.
12:51The election has never been fair
12:53in this country.
12:55I am a victim myself.
12:57I will never say a word
12:59in favour of this election.
13:01But I think,
13:03we have to run the system.
13:05We have to run it.
13:07The opposition has to run it.
13:09Listen to me.
13:11The committee has made
13:13the right of the government.
13:15The government should run it.
13:17The government should make fun of it.
13:19They should make a commission.
13:21It is a big fair discussion.
13:23It is a disorder.
13:25It is a disorder.
13:27There will be no discussion.
13:29There is no place for discussion.
13:31This is the opinion of two people.
13:33There is no fitna.
13:35There is no dialogue with fitna.
13:37In the time of Bhutto,
13:39the people who said
13:41that they will hang Bhutto
13:43on the bridge of Kuala.
13:45Later, Begum Nusrat Bhutto
13:47made it with the MRD.
13:49Mian Nawaz Sharif used to call
13:51Bibi as a martyr.
13:53Then there was the Charter of Democracy.
13:55These words are used
13:57in politics.
13:59Maulana Khawaja is sitting
14:01with Rehman Sahib.
14:03You should go to Maulana Khawaja's house.
14:05Call Maulana Khawaja.
14:07Call Bilawal Sahib.
14:09I understand that
14:11Maulana Khawaja has the right
14:13to call Bilawal Sahib
14:15and PTI and sit
14:17in front of the government.
14:19You have upset Maulana Sahib.
14:21The government has upset him.
14:23Sadr Sahib is not signing on it.
14:25Maulana should also
14:27do something.
14:29He has done so much
14:31in the first 26 months.
14:33The government has backed out.
14:35Sadr Sahib is not signing on it.
14:37Are you upset?
14:39Maulana Sahib and PTI
14:41have a good relationship.
14:45When you take Kamran Murtaza,
14:47you should tell him
14:49to initiate the dialogue.
14:51We need a mediator.
14:53But the government
14:55should bring down the temperature.
14:57How?
14:59You are putting up posters
15:01in people's houses.
15:03Imran Khan is in a death cell.
15:05Yasmeen Ajin is 80 years old.
15:07How will you get her out of cancer?
15:09How will you get her out of cancer?
15:11If you had left her,
15:13a lot of people would have come out.
15:15If the PTI and PMI
15:17don't bring down the temperature,
15:19you should stop calling us politicians.
15:23I am challenging Fawad.
15:27Even the PTI voter
15:29thinks that the temperature
15:31should be brought down.
15:33There are different parties.
15:35The people who have been
15:37treated unfairly,
15:39we are still saying that
15:41the temperature should be brought down.
15:43But the people sitting outside,
15:45like social media,
15:47have a different point of view.
15:51We are not militants.
15:53If there is a 26th of November
15:55in Islamabad,
15:57how will they get the ammunition?
15:59They will get it from the air.
16:01The racial profiling
16:03is happening with my team members.
16:05I am a witness to this.
16:07Bilawal sir did a long march.
16:09Did he bring the chief minister
16:11with him?
16:13We beat him up.
16:15He should not claim
16:17that he is the chief minister.
16:19Doesn't he have a forum
16:21with Ali Ameen Gandapur?
16:23He should call the Council of Common Interest.
16:25He has written three times
16:27but has not called the Council of Common Interest.
16:29He should go to court.
16:31Ali Ameen Gandapur
16:33has not received a vote
16:35for the Council of Common Interest.
16:37He has received a vote
16:39to bring Imran Khan out.
16:41Ali Ameen Gandapur
16:43should bring Imran Khan out.
16:45He is doing the right thing.
16:47There is a lot of constituency pressure.
16:49You know that
16:51without political dialogue
16:53people come out of the establishment
16:55or through political dialogue
16:57things are normal.
16:59We don't want to have a dialogue.
17:01You are saying that
17:03if we don't want to talk to them
17:05they should go and hit the wall.
17:07You have made a committee.
17:09You have done everything.
17:11You want to talk to the establishment.
17:13There is no issue with the establishment.
17:15We were talking to the People's Party
17:17before the elections.
17:19You can make a committee.
17:21Ali Ameen Gandapur,
17:23Asad Kaisar,
17:25Sahibzada Ahmed Raza
17:27and Saman Akram Raja.
17:29They are all reasonable people.
17:31They are all reasonable people.
17:33Good gesture.
17:35Bilawal Bhutto Zardai
17:37is saying that
17:39DLP is joining.
17:41Is this a local level
17:43politics or
17:45is this a new trend?
17:47People have joined from Attock.
17:49You will see that
17:51more people will join in Lahore.
17:53There is talk of changing the driving seat.
17:55Some close people
17:57like Faisal Bawda
17:59have joined Manzar-e-Aam.
18:01Bilawal is showing qualities
18:03to become a leader.
18:05There is a legacy of
18:07the People's Party.
18:09You can run the People's Party
18:11with everyone.
18:13After the martyrdom of Bibi,
18:15there was a crisis.
18:17The People's Party took care of
18:19the country.
18:21May Allah not create
18:23such a crisis.
18:25There is still a crisis.
18:27There is no party
18:29better than the People's Party.
18:31Can the driving seat
18:33be changed?
18:35Why can't it be changed?
18:37It should be.
18:39Why can't it be?
18:43How will the number be fulfilled?
18:45If you can think of it,
18:47the number will be fulfilled in a minute.
18:49If you can think of it,
18:51if the People's Party
18:53can think of it,
18:55if you can sit with the JEY,
18:57you can make the People's Party.
18:59Fawad is a witness
19:01to this.
19:03I have personally met many people
19:05from the PTI.
19:07You should not let your workers die.
19:09You should not let this country
19:11go to war alone.
19:13You should sit and dialogue
19:15with the People's Party.
19:17Can the driving seat be changed
19:19by the end of March?
19:21Do you see a timeline?
19:23I can give you my personal opinion.
19:25I have been convinced
19:27that the People's Party
19:29and the PTI
19:31and Maulana Fazlur Rehman
19:33and Mangal
19:35and the ANP
19:37should form a government together.
19:39Have you taken any initiative for this?
19:41I cannot say that
19:43anyone has taken any initiative
19:45at the party level.
19:47He is giving an idea.
19:49The four of us have tried
19:51and we will still do it.
19:53But at the party level,
19:55there is no such thing.
19:57But what is Mr. Shahbaz doing
19:59Is he running the government properly?
20:01You should ask him.
20:03You should ask the people.
20:05You are fighting with your vote.
20:07You have taken all the decisions
20:09from the 26th amendment.
20:11You can take any decision with them.
20:13If the daughter is the Prime Minister
20:15and the brother is the Prime Minister
20:17and the person cannot even
20:19run in the public,
20:21then what is the government?
20:23The economy has improved.
20:25The macro indicators have improved.
20:27I will take you to the hospitals.
20:31I will take you to the DHQ hospitals.
20:33Have you reduced the inflation?
20:37I don't know where
20:39these indicators come from.
20:41Vegetables are not being sold
20:43due to the road closure.
20:45Wheat has become cheaper.
20:47When there is a crisis next year,
20:49you will have to import
20:512-3 crops.
20:53God forbid.
20:55You will have to do it.
20:57You will see the prices of food.
20:59Where will the DAP go?
21:01A tractor was for 6-7 lakhs.
21:03It has gone by 30 lakhs.
21:05When are you expecting a crisis?
21:07There is a crisis.
21:09It will come right on your head.
21:11You will panic.
21:13There is no gas in the stove.
21:15I am asking about wheat.
21:17I am asking about the wheat crisis.
21:19The cost has decreased by 40%.
21:21The wheat crisis
21:23The crisis will start after three months.
21:25Then we will have to import.
21:27Then we will have to import.
21:29Imam Nawaz, let me tell you.
21:31Nadeem and I have an advantage.
21:33We have been hearing these briefings for a long time.
21:35Of the state bank governor.
21:37This and that.
21:39He comes and tells that sir,
21:41the current account deficit has become zero.
21:43The country has changed.
21:45He does not tell that the current account deficit
21:47has become zero because the machinery has stopped.
21:49Factories have stopped.
21:51How was the current account going to happen?
21:53It is a simple thing.
21:55When our cameraman, our other friends,
21:57when you go out, the farmer,
21:59he will tell you whether he is happy with the economy or not.
22:01This stock.
22:03I have another big problem.
22:05In our business council,
22:07our boss is 80% fraud.
22:09All our chiefs, prime ministers,
22:11they go to him.
22:13They take briefings from him.
22:15They think he is rich.
22:17Although they don't know how rich he is.
22:19All the chiefs have put up a channel.
22:21Half of the chiefs have put up an anchor.
22:23They have put up pictures.
22:25They have put up pictures.
22:27They have put up a picture of the country's crisis on us.
22:29We are going to stand with you very soon.
22:31We have reached there.
22:33When you come out of this screen
22:35and stand among the people,
22:37then believe me,
22:39the situation will get better.
22:41What he is saying about the people's party,
22:43that the PM should be made,
22:45and the PTI, the people's party,
22:47or the hostages.
22:49Personally, if you ask me,
22:51I think the solution of Pakistan,
22:53the national government,
22:55is one of the good solutions for Pakistan.
22:57The reason for that is that the temperatures
22:59in Pakistan have become very high.
23:01In such high temperatures,
23:03there will be controversy over the elections.
23:05If the people's party,
23:07or someone wants to make a PM,
23:09I think Zardari, Nawaz Sharif,
23:11and Imran Khan should choose a new PM.
23:13Why?
23:15Why should they choose a PM?
23:17They have made so many sacrifices.
23:19They have sacrificed politics.
23:21If you think the government is running
23:23because of the PM,
23:25and you want to run it,
23:27then they should not do it.
23:29They have brought the country to the brink of collapse.
23:31They are not in any condition.
23:33You can understand from this,
23:35that when the President of Belarus comes,
23:37the Prime Minister himself goes to pick him up.
23:39He has the protocol of the next
23:41Karachi Mayor.
23:43The Prime Minister is wearing a suit.
23:45He is in a tracksuit.
23:47The Prime Minister hugs him.
23:49He is surprised that he is with him.
23:51He is worried.
23:53In the world, there is no European Union.
23:55Forget the United States.
23:57There is no one left for us.
23:59If you look at it seriously,
24:01the government is not running.
24:03I will take your political guess at the end.
24:05The deadline given by Mr. Khan on 14th,
24:07that the negotiations should be done,
24:09or else there will be civil indifference.
24:11Do you think the situation will improve?
24:13I think they should not go towards civil indifference.
24:15It is absurd.
24:17The government should also start
24:19political dialogue.
24:21If the government does not do it,
24:23then other parties should also start
24:25political dialogue.
24:27If the government does not do it,
24:29then the government will come on its own.
24:31The government has not come
24:33to this level yet.
24:35If the government does not do
24:37political dialogue,
24:39then other political parties
24:41will come on their own.
24:43It should be done.
24:45It should be done.
24:47On this note,
24:49thank you very much.
24:51We will come back after the break.
24:53We will meet Mr. Kamran again.
24:55He has become the center of interest again.
24:57We will meet him again after the break.
24:59We will meet him again after the break.
25:01We will meet him again after the break.
25:03Welcome back.
25:05In the last three days,
25:07Mr. Bilawal's residence
25:09has become the center of political activities again.
25:11Different political parties
25:13and political figures
25:15are meeting him.
25:17Mr. Bilawal comes
25:19and meets Mr. Maulana on 4th December.
25:21Mr. Faisal Wawda goes on 5th December
25:23and brings a special message for Mr. Maulana.
25:25We saw the visuals of that meeting.
25:27Mr. Faisal Wawda also comes out
25:29and talks to the media.
25:31Mr. Rana Sanaullah goes again
25:33and talks to Mr. Maulana Fazur Rehman.
25:35There has been a lot of development
25:37in the last three days.
25:39Today, the Prime Minister of Pakistan,
25:41Mr. Shabaz Sharif calls Mr. Maulana Fazur Rehman
25:43regarding the Madaris Registration Bill.
25:45Mr. Zardari has not signed on it.
25:47He has sent it back.
25:49Maulana's party is worried about it.
25:51On 28th November,
25:53Mr. Maulana expressed his displeasure
25:55regarding this issue.
25:57Listen to what he has to say.
25:59There was an agreement on this bill.
26:01The Pakistan People's Party
26:03was a part of this agreement.
26:05Now that it has been passed,
26:07Mr. Zardari,
26:09why have you not signed
26:11on the Madaris Bill?
26:13The Jamiat-e-Ulema-e-Islam
26:15and the religious Madaris
26:17will now rise up
26:19in every corner of the country
26:21and they will
26:23lead Islamabad.
26:25And when this world
26:27goes towards Islamabad,
26:29your father will also help us.
26:31On 14th December,
26:33Mr. Imran Khan has called
26:35for civil disobedience
26:37if the negotiations
26:39do not succeed.
26:41On 8th December,
26:43Maulana Gafoor Haidri
26:45said that the bill should be signed
26:47otherwise he will go to Islamabad.
26:49If the bill is not signed
26:51by 8th December,
26:53we may go to Islamabad.
26:55Senator Kamran Murtaza is with us
26:57on Rehman Jamaat-e-Ulema-e-Islam.
26:59First of all,
27:01we have a phone call
27:03from the PM of Pakistan.
27:05I would like to talk to him
27:07about the mood of the talks
27:09and the tone of the talks.
27:11Yesterday, I was listening
27:13to your conversation
27:15with Mr. Waseem Badami.
27:17Was there any difference
27:19in the temperature
27:21after today's phone call?
27:23I think that
27:25the temperature
27:27has changed.
27:29I don't know about the talks
27:31of the PM,
27:33but some friends
27:35in the government
27:37contacted me
27:39in the morning.
27:41They called me
27:43and gave me some suggestions.
27:45I told them that
27:47I do not concede
27:49on this suggestion.
27:51They should talk
27:53at the governmental level.
27:55I think that
27:57the temperature
27:59has improved a little
28:01today.
28:03They have a sense
28:05that whatever happened
28:07was wrong and
28:09it should not have happened.
28:11When there was a package deal
28:13and two limbs were left,
28:15one of the two limbs
28:17was this,
28:19it should have been removed
28:21instead of raising objections.
28:23The first objection was raised
28:25and it was removed.
28:27After that,
28:29the second objection
28:31was raised.
28:33I don't know
28:35about the contacts
28:37of Maulana Sahib
28:39but the contacts
28:41with me have been
28:43told that
28:45they are addressing
28:47these issues.
28:49How do they address
28:51these issues?
29:21Who does the legislation?
29:23Does it come to the level of a department?
29:25It happens.
29:27The ICT legislation
29:29comes to the level of Wafaq.
29:31Its application
29:33is in the capital territory of
29:35Islamabad.
29:37Then some departments
29:39follow the same line
29:41and get it approved
29:43or adopt it.
29:45That is how it is.
29:47Here, if it was only
29:49a matter of international
29:51commitments,
29:53the question is
29:55which assembly
29:57does the capital territory
29:59of Islamabad come under?
30:01Does it come under
30:03National Assembly
30:05or Senate?
30:07If it does,
30:09then it should not be
30:11raised.
30:13The first objection
30:15was removed.
30:17If the President
30:19returned the bill,
30:21what is the actual reason?
30:23Why is it not happening?
30:25I do not know
30:27the actual reason.
30:29But I can
30:31think of a bad thing
30:33that was
30:35stopped
30:37to do more.
30:39I do not say
30:41that what I say
30:43will be right.
30:45I think so.
30:47But it will not happen.
30:49Let's unpack this.
30:51When you say do more,
30:53what does it mean?
30:57It is something
30:59in the legislation
31:01in which Mr. Maulana's
31:03support is needed.
31:05I say do more
31:07but
31:09I have a
31:11negative view
31:13that this can happen.
31:15I may be wrong.
31:17This will be
31:19clarified in a couple of days.
31:21Do you need
31:23any kind of
31:25co-operation?
31:27When you co-operated,
31:29you did not deliver.
31:31How confident
31:33are you
31:35that if you
31:37agree to any
31:39of his demands,
31:41how did you
31:43prove your
31:45confidence?
31:47On the same day,
31:49this bill was passed
31:51from both the houses.
31:53On the same day,
31:55the 26th amendment was passed.
31:57This was my condition.
31:59This was the condition of the Jamaat
32:01that this bill will be passed
32:03on the same day.
32:05To sign
32:07the 26th amendment,
32:09Germany was also arranged.
32:11One day passed.
32:13Two days passed. Ten days passed.
32:15After that, I was worried.
32:17What has happened to him?
32:19After that,
32:21those who had interest
32:23got 10 bills.
32:25Where did he disappear?
32:27Sometimes he called A.
32:29Sometimes he called B.
32:31He is leaving today. He is leaving tomorrow.
32:33He is at this place. He is at that place.
32:35He is lying with him.
32:37He will send you
32:39a copy by evening.
32:43You said that
32:45the temperature has improved.
32:47Gafoor Haidri has spoken
32:49till 8th December.
32:51Do you think this issue will be resolved by 8th December?
32:53Has the government shown its intent?
32:57We are showing our intent.
32:59There should be a positive commitment
33:01by 8th December.
33:03This bill is not
33:05ready yet.
33:09They should think
33:11what to do.
33:13We should also think
33:15what we can do.
33:19What are the political options
33:21that JYF has
33:23if the government does not sign the bill?
33:27There are many political options.
33:29I cannot tell you
33:31the political options alone.
33:33The political options
33:35can be told by the parties.
33:37When the decision
33:39has to be taken,
33:41Maulana will ask
33:43Shura or Amla
33:45for consultation.
33:47Shura and Amla
33:49will be considered
33:51and deliberated.
33:53The decision will be
33:55taken by Maulana.
33:57Are you more upset with
33:59People's Party or PMLN?
34:01We are very much
34:03impressed with both parties.
34:05But People's Party
34:07made the commitment.
34:09No.
34:11Everyone did.
34:15Senator Kamran Murtaza
34:17was with us.
34:19If there is a positive indicator
34:21by 8th December,
34:23he will see his options.
34:25What are the political options?
34:27There are many
34:29political options.
34:31When we come back,
34:33the Pashtun population
34:35of Islamabad
34:37is facing harassment.
34:39We are not saying this.
34:41Amir Muqam is saying this.
34:43He is the leader of
34:45Pakistan Muslim League Nawaz.
34:47He is with us.
34:49We are seeing
34:51the protest of 26th November.
34:53We are seeing
34:55that different people
34:57are being stopped
34:59from a certain community.
35:01Their cards are being checked.
35:03Their phones are being checked.
35:05I know many such people.
35:07They belong to our team.
35:09They have been stopped.
35:11Islamabad police
35:13says that this is not true.
35:15This is a false statement.
35:17We are the protectors of our country.
35:19We are not doing this to them.
35:21We are not taking them in our custody.
35:23We never discriminate
35:25against them.
35:27This is a propaganda.
35:29Is Amir Muqam doing this propaganda?
35:31He admitted in a press conference
35:33that he is getting phone calls
35:35about what is happening
35:37with the Pashtun population.
35:39I am getting phone calls
35:41about the harassment of
35:43Pashtun people.
35:45I am not an individual.
35:47I have spoken in a cabinet.
35:49I have spoken everywhere.
35:51If you don't have any evidence
35:53and you put me in a cab,
35:55this is unacceptable.
35:57Amir Muqam,
35:59Islamabad police thinks
36:01that you are doing propaganda.
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