👉 Uruguay: en un hecho histórico, se firmó el acuerdo entre el MERCOSUR y la Unión Europea. El presidente criticó duramente al bloque regional, calificándolo como un obstáculo para el desarrollo económico de los países miembros.
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00:00The Mercosur is a historical milestone, there is an agreement between the Mercosur and the European Union
00:05with some dissidence of the president, which we will now review.
00:09This happened at this time, Milley received by the chancellor,
00:14with a very hard speech from Milley, but with a historical fact that we are now going to review.
00:18Exactly, let's see, Milley said that the Mercosur is a prison,
00:23a choice for the economic development of the country and of all the member countries that are part of the Mercosur,
00:29and he said it in this speech.
00:31The president is speaking live now, pay attention.
00:34Yes, he is assuming the presidency of the Mercosur by the Uruguayan president.
00:42There we are, Calle Pou, he gives him a hand, he welcomes him, and now Milley speaks,
00:47no longer as one more president, but as president of the Mercosur, the regional economic bloc.
00:56Let's see, Cata.
00:57There, well, the end of the broadcast, but we were reviewing a little of the things that Milley said,
01:02which were very well received precisely by Calle Pou,
01:05which we are seeing there in these images, which is the Uruguayan president,
01:08who is brave because he was also at this summit,
01:11the new one, the one who is going to assume in Uruguay, who is Yamandu Orsi,
01:16but Calle Pou had been complaining in solitude in the Mercosur of something that Milley proposed today.
01:22He wanted free trade for the member countries of the Mercosur,
01:26and the rest of his regional partners resisted.
01:29So when he heard it, and Milley saying, it's a choice, it's an obstacle,
01:34we have to flexibilize, it's not that we are leaving the Mercosur,
01:37but what we have to allow is, in Creole,
01:40that all member countries can have free trade treaties,
01:43he wants free trade with the United States, he wants to propose other things,
01:47Calle Pou obviously celebrated all this,
01:50what our Argentinean president was saying in Uruguay,
01:53and on the other hand, well, this historical agreement was signed,
01:56which had resistances from more protectionist countries,
01:59such as France and Italy, to make this free trade between Europe,
02:06the European Union and the Mercosur.
02:08Cata, let me listen to the president, I'll give you Winocur to provide more data.
02:12This happened just minutes ago, there in Montevideo.
02:17I am here today as president, I would like to speak mainly as an economist,
02:22and take advantage of the day of the date,
02:24having been fulfilled for more than 30 years since its foundation,
02:28to remember the mission of the origin of the Mercosur,
02:31and to evaluate together whether it has been or not up to its original prognosis.
02:37Because institutions should not be evaluated by their intentions,
02:41but by their results.
02:45Unfortunately, simultaneously, and as a result of the ideas prevailing at the time,
02:50in our wrong judgments, a system of common external arancel was proposed
02:54to try to protect the industry of our countries,
02:57believing that this would bring a benefit to our citizens.
03:00Unfortunately, the path to hell is paved with good intentions,
03:05and as Professor Huerta de Soto has once pointed out,
03:09whenever the State intervenes, it generates a worse result than it had before it intervened.
03:15Therefore, it is no surprise for a liberal like me,
03:19that the result of these measures has been the opposite of what was intended.
03:23Consolidating ourselves in a common block has not only made us grow,
03:28but has also harmed us.
03:30While neighbors like Chile and Peru opened up to the world
03:35and established trade agreements with the protagonists of global trade,
03:39we locked ourselves in our own cage,
03:42taking more than 20 years to close an agreement with which we celebrate today,
03:47a reality that is far from being a reality.
03:49Therefore, it cannot draw attention to the fact that the economies of our neighbors
03:53have grown so much more than ours.
03:55While they have a free trade agreement with more than 20 countries,
03:59we have similar treaties only with the rest of South America, Egypt and Israel.
04:04Although the responsibility of the Argentine failure falls mostly...
04:08Well, up to there, speaking the President in a hard speech,
04:11what has rebounded strongly is this idea that the President Emile has raised,
04:16that the regional bloc is a cliff.
04:18Two concepts to take into account.
04:21First, there was, as far as we could see, no kind of greeting with Lula da Silva.
04:26Emile arrived for the family photo, he was at the other end with respect to Lula.
04:32And then, when one reviews the speech, what Emile says, translated into Creole,
04:36is very nice all this of the Mercosur, how nice that we are together,
04:40but it did not work at all, we grew below the rest of the countries of the region.
04:45When the United States tried to make an agreement with us,
04:47we, for ideological reasons, discarded it, we are trading much less of the world,
04:52and we have to review this of having a common arancel.
04:54Basically, Emile's proposal is, in practice, that the Mercosur should cease to exist as we know it now.
05:02Yes, but he does not want to leave.
05:03Without leaving.
05:04Of course, it is very difficult to break, it is very complicated to break,
05:08but what he is proposing in practice is that it stops working the way it was working.
05:13Yes, a detail to take into account that I am already live with Gustavo Descalzi,
05:17this photo of Pou Street with Orsi next to it is a photo ...
05:20That we would like to have here in Argentina.
05:22Of course, you envied him a lot.
05:23Totally.
05:24Because the levels of institutionality they present are very high.
05:27They are here just to review it.
05:30And Gustavo Descalzi, Gus.
05:34How are you? How are you?
05:36Well, we just came from the Mercosur building, dear Facundo,
05:40where we highlight this, the adult faces, not only of the president, but of the delegation, of President Emile,
05:47and that cold and tense look that there was between Lula and President Emile,
05:53and even the separation, and even the way that the presidents talked to the delegates of Europe
06:01and the president of the Confederation of European Countries that was with us here,
06:06talking about this intention, but only of intention.
06:09Now where I am, dear Facundo, we are going to enter a minute.
06:12Come on, let's do it live, come on, come on, come with me.
06:14Come on, come on.
06:15I'm in the meeting, I'm in ADM, Association of Marketing Directors.
06:19This is the meeting where there are about 800 businessmen and leaders
06:24who are waiting for Emile's speech.
06:26We are going to enter a little bit in what we can,
06:28and I want to tell you that we are not only going to find businessmen from Uruguay, from Argentina,
06:32but also politicians from all the parties that are waiting for Emile's speech.
06:38I want to tell you that Emile's speech at the summit of Mercosur was direct, it was strong.
06:45He talked about failures, he talked about backpacks,
06:48and also the president of Calle Pou spoke and congratulated him,
06:52he said, how I adhere to these words, how I like what the Argentine president is saying.
06:58We had a protocol, an advance, an initiation,
07:03they did not want to let 25 years pass so that no one would have the face of the 25 years
07:09in which all the conversations between Mercosur and the European Union failed.
07:14It is a small step, I am going to tell you, dear Facundo, very small.
07:18And also the fact that the two blocks, which could be a market of more than 700 million people,
07:25could be installed in the world as a great center of attention and attraction of investments.
07:31Come on, let's get a little into what we can. Come on, let's go, Facundo.
07:35Well, I'm on the radio and I'm in Montevideo,
07:38I want to tell you that everyone is waiting for President Emile,
07:42and I want to tell you that in the meeting that took place in Mercosur,
07:45not only the current Uruguayan president brought to the table,
07:51but also the possibility of talking about other advances that he had in Mercosur,
07:56such as with the Arab Emirates, a principle of agreement with Japan,
08:02facts that in the meetings that were bilateral,
08:06they gave it or showed it as advances of the block in negotiations with other countries,
08:12looking for other markets.
08:14And if you allow me, I want to reflect with you a word
08:18that all of us who were working here had in mind,
08:21and that has to do with what President Emile said.
08:24He says, Chile exports 50 times more cherries than Argentina,
08:30and in the year exports more than 50 billion dollars in copper,
08:36and we are not even analyzing the possibility of doing it yet.
08:42With which he speaks of the search for markets for Argentina,
08:46of the search for scale investments that allow this type of development.
08:50Those are the postcards from which I have stayed,
08:53from the meeting in Mercosur,
08:55at this moment he is coming here to President Emile,
08:58he is, as you can see, all the people waiting for him,
09:01to be able to speak and listen to President Emile,
09:04what he has to say to the Uruguayans, to the Argentine and Uruguayan businessmen,
09:08and here it is, tell me.
09:10I leave you live, I put a little square to Pou Street,
09:14who also spoke, but we stay tuned,
09:16because in a few minutes Emile will speak,
09:18we want to record what he says.
09:20Pou Street a few moments ago raised this, listen to it.
09:26The need bar the vocation to open up the world.
09:31I am glad to hear President Emile,
09:34we are going to coincide shortly in the Presidency.
09:37You don't know how many times, President,
09:40when I listened to him, he bragged about freedom and prosperity.
09:47Without freedom there is no prosperity.
09:50And also, with a thesis that I hold in the recent past,
09:55and hopefully it can be held in the future,
09:58the existence of Mercosur is not contradicted
10:02with the flexibility of the block.
10:06Let us be, let us grow,
10:10because we are convinced
10:13that we do not attack the foundational spirit,
10:17we simply progress,
10:19because if an individual,
10:22a group of individuals does not evolve,
10:25surely there will be failure.
10:28So, President Emile, I am leaving.
10:33Mercosur has decided from the beginning
10:36that it moves by consensus.
10:39I said that it had taken a long time
10:42the Cantaro de los Fuentes, and it had not broken.
10:45Now when I go and pass the Presidency,
10:47maybe I will leave the Cantaro.
10:49It is a little crumpled, it has a crack,
10:52maybe we are lucky to achieve that.
10:56But apart from that, we have to achieve it in a good way.
11:01We have to achieve it with a good tone.
11:08And every day that goes by, I realize
11:12that if we are fathers of the union
11:15and fathers of the agreements,
11:17first we have to fulfill our last responsibility
11:20as rulers.
11:22I always say that the President of the Republic
11:24is like the father of a great family.
11:27And it can take longer,
11:29it can be the most tedious path,
11:31sometimes more tiring,
11:34and maybe it exhausts our patience,
11:36but it is the only one that is worth it.
11:39Because the other is that of division and destruction.
11:43And so, if we really start that man
11:46is a social being par excellence,
11:48the more he socializes,
11:49the more he is fulfilling his primary purposes.
11:53And...
11:55I belong to an inclusive nationalism.
12:01When I had to go to Europe when I was younger,
12:05and to this day,
12:07and I said the word nationalism,
12:11we were seen as...
12:12Well, up to there, the image of Pou Street
12:15with Orsi next to it...
12:16The beautiful image of...
12:17It is a very interesting image of the institutional, right?
12:20Totally, totally.
12:21Despite being in parties,
12:23one in the center-right, the other in the left,
12:26of making an orderly transition,
12:28of being two presidents who can sit
12:31in an event as important as the Mercosur,
12:34which probably, in addition,
12:35Pou Street and Yamandu Orsi
12:37do not think exactly the same
12:39about everything that is being discussed.
12:40In fact, Orsi remains...
12:41Silent.
12:42Absolutely silent.
12:43However, he is affected.
12:44The street clarifies that he has two months of management,
12:46but he will be sitting there
12:47and the photo will be there.
12:48Of course.
12:49It is a very expected transition
12:50always in Argentina that happens to us.
12:52He has always been in Uruguay, in Chile,
12:54with its nuances,
12:55you always have a democratic coexistence
12:57between parties of the center-left,
12:58of the center-right,
13:00something that, unfortunately,
13:01in our country,
13:02never ends up giving.
13:03Let me speak for a minute live.
13:05Gustavo, are you still waiting for Milley?
13:08Yes, we are still waiting for Milley
13:10and we adhere to everything you said.
13:12I want to tell you that
13:13that is the politically correct part
13:16of what was in the speeches.
13:18I want to tell you that
13:19the European representative
13:21spoke of the democratic strengthening
13:23in the region
13:24as a good framework
13:27to advance in the negotiation,
13:30which is not only commercial,
13:32but also political,
13:33but also cultural.
13:35They talked about ecology,
13:36they talked about the initiative
13:38of President Lula,
13:39about protecting the Amazon,
13:42that it is a product,
13:44that it is a place,
13:45a region of protection
13:46of the two blocks.
13:47That is to say,
13:48the meeting has other places
13:50where it can also go walking
13:52and it can go forward.
13:53In the commercial and economic,
13:55in what one expects,
13:57there is still a lot to walk
13:59and we will wait for the word
14:00of President Milley.
14:01So, as soon as we have something,
14:03we are interrupting,
14:04dear Facundo.
14:05Of course, I'll stay,
14:06I'll stay tuned.
14:07Let's see, I'll stay there
14:08live with Gustavo.
14:09Pablo.
14:10Yes, I return to this idea.
14:11Milley, beyond the speech,
14:13beyond the fact that,
14:14obviously, he has to sweeten it,
14:15as happened in the G20,
14:17Milley's concrete gestures
14:19are of rupture
14:21with the status quo.
14:22In this case,
14:23with the trade agreement,
14:24and it also happened in the G20,
14:26where he signs the joint declaration,
14:28but he puts so many reparations
14:30and so many dissent
14:32in the small letter
14:34that it ends up being
14:35almost like not adhering.
14:36Obviously, Milley always repeats it,
14:38we are libertarians,
14:39not libertarians.
14:41So, he looks for some kind of shortcut
14:44so as not to be the one breaking,
14:46but the truth is that this speech
14:48is very hard,
14:49it is in line with what
14:51the POU street was proposing,
14:53and up to there, I would tell you,
14:55but we remember,
14:56the POU street is leaving,
14:57it is taking its last steps.
14:59So, what is going to be left
15:01is a southern frame,
15:02divided between two ideological lines,
15:04on the one hand, Orsi and Lula da Silva,
15:06on the other hand, Milley and Compeña,
15:09a Paraguayan,
15:10who is obviously a smaller partner,
15:12even in the power
15:13that their speeches have.
15:14And you have to look at it
15:15as even beyond,
15:16because one thinks,
15:17well, Donald Trump is going to assume
15:19very soon,
15:21and Milley looks a lot
15:23at the United States
15:24and other proposals
15:26to trade much more flexibly,
15:29which the campaign promised.
15:31He has been trying to implement it,
15:33doing it,
15:34and he is going to remain
15:35as the only leader,
15:36or of the few right-wing leaders
15:38allied to Donald Trump in the region.
15:40For example,
15:41in the block of Mercosur,
15:43because all the rest of the countries
15:45in the region of Mercosur
15:47are going to remain with presidents,
15:49at least next year,
15:50more aligned to the left-wing
15:52than to, well,
15:54the economic ideas of Javier Milley
15:56or Donald Trump,
15:58who, in any case,
15:59obviously he also has
16:00many protectionist things,
16:02such as the Arancelario,
16:03but they do seek a relationship
16:05with Milley,
16:06not only economic,
16:07but much more flexible.
16:09Well, let's see.
16:10I pass to Gustavo.
16:11I let you close, Pablo.
16:12Let's see, Gu, nothing for now, right?
16:16For now, no.
16:17I was just looking at the phone
16:20where they told me
16:21if the committee had left there.
16:23I want to tell you that
16:25at this moment there is a meeting
16:27or a bilateral conversation
16:29between the two houses,
16:31Argentina and Brazil.
16:32It is a conversation
16:33that I was trying to confirm
16:36that has to do with
16:37the diplomatic houses,
16:38to lower the tone,
16:40to find the 4 or 5 points in common
16:43and also to try to soften
16:47that cold moment that was experienced,
16:50two or three cold moments
16:52that were experienced
16:53and try to bring them closer.
16:55Milley is pragmatic,
16:57you already know him,
16:58he has direct words
17:01and that is not going well
17:03in Itamaraty,
17:05it is not going well
17:07in Brazilian diplomacy,
17:08they were informing me,
17:09but at this moment
17:11our chancellors are talking
17:13with the other side
17:14to try to clear all the roads
17:16and surely next week
17:19there will be some kind of bilateral conversation
17:22to move forward
17:24now that Milley
17:25is going to be the interim president
17:26of Mercosur.
17:27Gustavo.
17:28We are waiting for him
17:29and as soon as the president arrives.
17:31Yes, I hear you, I hear you.
17:32I want to ask you a question.
17:33We could only see
17:34an image of the four
17:36together and it is an image
17:38that Milley sees at one end,
17:40Alula practically at the other,
17:42they don't greet each other,
17:43they don't look at each other,
17:44they don't smile, nothing.
17:45I wanted to see if you,
17:46being there,
17:47saw any other kind of approach
17:48or is it just the image
17:49that we saw?
17:50All the time.
17:51All the time, all the time
17:53and I could take
17:5420 images of what it was
17:56and at all times
17:57there was that distant
18:00behavior,
18:03Lula obviously
18:05caught the attention
18:07and the attention
18:08of all Europeans,
18:09he was funny,
18:10he was pleasant,
18:12he talked,
18:13he had some conversations
18:14in the ear,
18:16the president,
18:17Luis Lacalle Pou,
18:19always tried to integrate
18:21this situation
18:22but the behavior
18:23of Milley was clear,
18:24to keep the distance,
18:26to behave in a distant way,
18:28to have that adult face,
18:30as I told you,
18:31I don't know if you have
18:32an image there to see.
18:33Yes, we are seeing,
18:34but I want to ask you
18:35something else,
18:36this image
18:37that we are seeing,
18:39if you can put the video
18:40because the video is wonderful,
18:42this image that we are seeing,
18:44beyond the video,
18:45what you saw,
18:46does Milley generate it,
18:48does Lula generate it
18:49or do both generate it?
18:51These disagreements,
18:52these ugly faces.
18:54No, it comes from far,
18:56it comes from far,
18:57it comes from far,
18:58let's remember the meeting
18:59that there was in the G20,
19:01let's remember that there are
19:03distant situations,
19:05as there are issues ...
19:06Today, on time,
19:07today on time,
19:08because, for example,
19:09we see the image,
19:10now you are not seeing it,
19:12but we see the image,
19:14the other three are seen
19:15talking together
19:17and laughing a little
19:18and Milley,
19:19firm as a statue roll,
19:21to the side and to the margin.
19:23Yes, like this,
19:24distant,
19:25distant, distant,
19:26he with his little carpet,
19:28maybe it didn't make sense
19:29to have a little carpet,
19:30because that's what the assistants have
19:32and that's what the secretaries have,
19:34but as it was his place
19:36where to build his security,
19:38having that little carpet.
19:39You see that all the other presidents
19:40have nothing in their hands,
19:41they don't even have their cell phones in their hands.
19:43Well, but Milley,
19:44that's his behavior
19:46and that's the way
19:47he wanted to express himself here.
19:48Now I want to tell you
19:50that this situation
19:51is going to be polished
19:53and keep in mind
19:54what I just told you
19:55about the meeting
19:56that is going to be
19:57held next week
19:59to clear the way.
20:01There was the spirit
20:03to advance in the issue
20:05of this commercial agreement,
20:07in the commercial part,
20:08it has not been achieved
20:09and I think Milley
20:10kicked the board
20:11by saying that
20:13we have 25 years lost,
20:15that this has really been a failure.
20:17Yes, I'm listening.
20:18Cata greets you.
20:19How are you?
20:20Milley, every time he travels
20:22where he goes,
20:23he generates,
20:24especially in the international field,
20:26a lot of curiosity.
20:28What, let's say,
20:30feeling does that give you?
20:33The people who are there,
20:34in that place,
20:35because obviously
20:36it is handled
20:37in different areas,
20:38but it is still
20:39an international field
20:40where you are now.
20:42It generates a lot of expectation,
20:44curiosity and all that.
20:45I'm going to go out a little bit.
20:46Come on, come on, come on.
20:47Let's go.
20:48We're going to go out,
20:49I'm not going to go out a little bit
20:50because now it's going to start.
20:51Let's see,
20:52we're going to go out a little bit.
20:53Well, I was saying the following,
20:54all the media
20:55want to talk to
20:56President Milley.
20:57It's not going to be
20:58any kind of meeting
20:59or interviews,
21:00it's just going to be
21:01in the 12 states,
21:02in the Mercosur
21:03and in this one now,
21:04which is the ADM meeting.
21:05I want to tell you
21:06that not only that,
21:07but also
21:08all the important
21:09businessmen
21:10of Uruguay
21:11are there,
21:12as well as
21:13the political activity
21:14of my country,
21:15waiting for the speech
21:16that is going to be given here.
21:17The speech that is going to be given here,
21:18for them,
21:19has to be
21:20as a
21:21message
21:22of hope
21:24as,
21:25from another place,
21:26it didn't
21:27go well,
21:28it didn't go well
21:29the words,
21:30some of the words
21:31of Milley
21:32at the summit
21:33of Mercosur
21:34and they hope
21:35that here he has
21:36a different behavior
21:37and that he talks a little
21:38about what he is going to project
21:39and what is going to be
21:40the relationship
21:41with Uruguay.
21:42Let's remember
21:43that Uruguay
21:44in three months
21:45is going to have
21:46a new president.
21:47Well,
21:48stay there,
21:49of course,
21:50as soon as
21:51President Milley
21:52arrives,
21:53so that he can
21:54say there,
21:55the president.