" Bilawal Bhutto Ne Kaha Kya Karen Majboori Hai Tarmeem Ki Himayat Karna Hogi," Kamran Murtaza
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00:00Mr. Kamran, first of all tell us, why was it that Mr. Bilawal, the government,
00:06and Mr. Atta Tarar, who is an official spokesman for the government,
00:09they say that they didn't get the impression that Mr. Maulana has any security in any of the meetings.
00:14That's why they communicated that Mr. Maulana is on board.
00:18Okay, suppose you don't have anything, you don't see anything,
00:24all the meetings that took place at that time, no one was on his side.
00:28The impression that was being given at that time, there were definitely meetings.
00:32I was present in those meetings at Maulana's house,
00:36in which Mr. Ishaq Dar and Azam Nadeem Tarar were also present,
00:41there must have been some other friends, Mr. Mohsen Naqvi.
00:44At that time, it was only verbal talks,
00:49and at that time this impression was given,
00:51that according to Maulana's speech, a document has been made,
00:55and he said that you just have to clear your concept.
00:58So we were clearing our concept, but along with that,
01:02we said that until we see the document, we will not be able to talk to you.
01:08Sir, the minister is saying that the document has been given in your name,
01:11and a written statement has been given on it.
01:13I will tell you, I will tell you, I will tell you the whole thing,
01:15I will tell you the whole thing, and I will do it with full responsibility.
01:18That document, the day he had to get it voted on,
01:24the night before that, that is, there should have been a vote in the morning,
01:27if there was an agreement on it,
01:29so the night before that, at midnight, around 2 o'clock,
01:34he had it sent to Maulana's house,
01:37it was in a black envelope,
01:40and when he sent it,
01:44it was handed over to me to read it.
01:47Now it will be 2 o'clock,
01:49after that, we were just starting to read it,
01:52so Bilawal came.
01:54So because it was about Article 8,
01:57so so far the topic was on Article 8,
02:00this Article 8 draft, you may not have it.
02:04Now we were stuck on this,
02:06so I said to Mr. Bilawal,
02:08Chairman, have you seen this on Article 8?
02:13Mr. Bilawal said, yes, it is a compulsion,
02:16and there is no other way,
02:18and gave this kind of impression.
02:20So at that time...
02:22Sorry, I am interrupting.
02:24You said precisely, Article 8,
02:26which is about fundamental rights,
02:28you precisely said to Mr. Bilawal,
02:30what is this?
02:32He said, you are right, but it is a compulsion,
02:34what can we do?
02:36Yes, exactly the same thing,
02:38and there was a lot of detailed discussion on this.
02:40At that time, Murtaza Wahab was also present,
02:42and for the first time, this paper,
02:44and Mr. Bilawal,
02:46with reference to the paper,
02:48we were sitting on that night,
02:50the day the Journal was being told,
02:52that you have to vote on it.
02:54So the meeting was at 11 in the morning,
02:56then it was 4 in the afternoon,
02:58so when the meeting was supposed to be at 11 in the morning,
03:00that night at 2,
03:02so 9 hours ago,
03:04you got the paper for the first time.
03:06Yes, the paper was given for the first time,
03:08and after one more hour,
03:10Mr. Bilawal said, what is this matter?
03:12So Mr. Bilawal started telling
03:14about the compulsions.
03:16Then after that,
03:18when we went further,
03:20he said, this was my view,
03:22but this is also a compulsion,
03:24or Noor has finalized it.
03:26So, with reference to Article 51,
03:28I objected,
03:30with reference to Article 106,
03:32I objected, with reference to Article 109,
03:34in which the High Court was going to
03:36curtail the jurisdiction,
03:38so after that,
03:40he said,
03:42it was decided,
03:44we had not read it yet,
03:46at that time it had 56 clauses,
03:48later it was 53.
03:50In the 53 clauses,
03:52Mr. Bilawal had read it,
03:54with reference to the environment,
03:56it was not there at that time.
03:58So, we said,
04:00it will take time to read it,
04:02or you can sit with me,
04:04then we will discuss it,
04:06then we will discuss it,
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04:30then we will discuss it,
04:32then we will discuss it,
04:34So, you were looking at Mr. Bilawal's case, right?
04:36Yes, I called Mr. Murtaza,
04:38Mr. Murtaza said,
04:40that your name will be changed,
04:42then the 10 o'clock committee,
04:44then it was 10.30,
04:46then it was announced,
04:48that it has been postponed to 2 o'clock,
04:50then by 2 o'clock,
04:52I had a lot of grip on it,
04:54then I went and sat with Mr. Bilawal,
04:56then the same Article 8 thing happened,
04:58then all the talks happened,
05:00then at that time Mr. Bilawal told me,
05:02that it was not being done,
05:04but we are helpless,
05:06you agitate in the committee,
05:08we will support you as much as possible,
05:10we will support you as much as possible,
05:12but we will agitate,
05:14this was discussed in it,
05:16so now, class wise,
05:18me and Mr. Murtaza and Mr. Bilawal,
05:20all three of us were sitting in Mr. Bilawal's office,
05:22in the Parliament House,
05:24and the talk was going on,
05:26then it happened,
05:28meanwhile,
05:30I made a voice note,
05:32that there are such matters,
05:34look at this,
05:36this is a dangerous matter.
05:38Then?
05:40Then Mr. Bilawal called me,
05:42and told me to explain everything,
05:44then I went to him,
05:46then Mr. Bilawal called the rest of the party members,
05:48and
05:50then on this,
05:52Mr. Bilawal got the impression,
05:54that something else was given,
05:56anyway,
05:58then the delay,
06:00was due to the fact,
06:02that our party members,
06:04were trying to understand this matter.
06:06Then, the meeting you had with Mr. Maulana,
06:08you told him,
06:10then Mr. Maulana communicated further,
06:12that we will not be able to vote today,
06:14and the session will go ahead.
06:16After that, Mr. Maulana said,
06:18that this is your version,
06:20it is possible,
06:22that we will have to take a counter version,
06:24or we will debate among ourselves,
06:26this is not an ordinary matter,
06:28this can go to people as well.