M Zubair says "If Imran Khan undergoes a military trial, it will have very dangerous consequences"

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00:00You said that Imran Khan can also be trialled.

00:04I will give you a surprise that he was trialled in the military court.

00:06Now the problem is that he is a popular leader, the most popular leader in Pakistan.

00:13Would you agree? Imran Khan is the most popular leader in Pakistan.

00:16He said, she said that there will be no trial.

00:19There will be some concrete evidences.

00:22But still, do you think that there will be a backlash politically?

00:26No. Listen to me.

00:28When there will be laptops, phones, evidences, documents, study documents.

00:33The people who were the facilitators of Faiz Ameen will come and give the evidences.

00:38Because it is a team work.

00:40If a single person says that Faiz has done everything, it is not possible.

00:43Imran Khan has done everything, it is not possible.

00:45There was a core team in the midst of all this.

00:47Like Begum Sahiba, Hawari, Saab.

00:51When we used to have meetings, I will give you an example.

00:54I remember that in the last press release it was said that four more people were arrested.

00:57Listen to me. I will tell you a small incident.

00:59You will understand.

01:00When we had a meeting of four core committees,

01:02Imran Khan used to come 5, 10, 15 minutes late.

01:05If it was a 4 o'clock meeting, he used to come at 4.10.

01:074.10, it used to be 10 minutes.

01:09Among those four, there were one or two people who used to talk to the DGI, Faiz Ameen.

01:15They used to talk to Faiz Ameen.

01:17Whatever they used to talk, they used to take directions.

01:20Then we used to talk to Imran Khan.

01:22Even after Imran Khan got up, we used to sit together for 15, 20, 30 minutes.

01:26We used to talk about that.

01:27So, collectively, when you are putting puzzles together from different places.

01:31So, you are putting puzzles together.

01:32No, I am not putting puzzles together.

01:33At that time, I put the puzzles together and went to Imran Khan.

01:35It was time to get him killed.

01:36And before I went to Imran Khan, I told him that there will be a firing.

01:40Who was going to benefit from that firing?

01:43This is what you have to think about and find out.

01:45That is why I am very confident that the story of firing is going to be revealed.

01:48Imran Khan did not have any knowledge about the firing.

01:52The firing that took place, he did not have a bullet in his mouth.

01:55He could have been shot in the leg.

01:56I am saying that Khan did not know.

02:00But who were his beneficiaries?

02:02Why were they there?

02:03And what were they getting?

02:04Finally.

02:05So, this is an argument.

02:06But Mr. Zubair, how do you see it?

02:09Mr. Khan's military trial.

02:11Because if you compare Imran Khan with a past leader,

02:17then the fair comparison will be with Mr. Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto.

02:21Probably, Mr. Nawaz Sharif's unfair comparison.

02:23It is not unfair.

02:24I think it is not a comparison.

02:25The public support that Mr. Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto had,

02:28Khawaja Asif said that he did not have the support of the streets with Mr. Mian.

02:34He had a vote bank.

02:35But people say that when we used to go to jail from the hospital,

02:38we could not gather 100 people.

02:40So, do you think there will be a turmoil or will it be smooth,

02:46as you have been seeing for the past two years?

02:48Or since you have been arrested for a year and a half, Mr. Khan?

02:51Look, most of Faisal's statements are true.

02:55This is the first thing.

02:57But what Faisal says and my point of view,

03:02I am a complete democrat.

03:04And not from today, I have always been.

03:06I talk about fulfilling the demands of justice.

03:09Because our history is a very hot history.

03:13We have made every prime minister a traitor,

03:17Mr. Nawaz Sharif, Mr. Bhutto, Mr. Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto,

03:25Mr. Nawaz Sharif.

03:26We have made everyone a traitor.

03:27And when we used to meet and talk to people for the past 10-20 years,

03:34the people of the establishment or the retired people used to tell us

03:38that there are witnesses against Nawaz Sharif

03:42who prove that he is a traitor on 10 counts.

03:47And I am a witness to that which we were told.

03:50That Nawaz Sharif is a traitor and he cannot escape.

03:53Today, Nawaz Sharif is the most pious man.

03:56If he would have received the seats, he would have been the prime minister.

03:59So, I will keep my intelligence out of my mind.

04:07Because we were also told by General Parvez Musharraf,

04:10and you must have heard and Faisal Wadar must have heard

04:15that PMLN and PPP are history.

04:19Nawaz Sharif and Benazir has no future.

04:22Whether they had said it or not.

04:24And if we go further,

04:25the name of Nawaz Sharif and Maryam Nawaz has been tarnished.

04:29You were also told this when you were in the meeting.

04:31Yes, it was tarnished.

04:32It has been tarnished.

04:33Absolutely.

04:35Kashif, let's assume that we do not have our own thoughts.

04:41We cannot make any assessment.

04:43That six years ago, five years ago, they were tarnished.

04:48And now, the same winning formula is for Pakistan.

04:51Not for PMLN.

04:53Now, we are being told, no, no, no.

04:55Actually, in 2000, in 1999, Mr. Musharraf wrote it.

04:59And he repeated it again and again.

05:01And then in 2018, in 2019, he said it in 2020 as well.

05:05That was actually wrong.

05:07Actually, this is the winning formula.

05:09Mr. Zardari, Mr. Nawaz Sharif, and all these people's parties and PMLN.

05:14So, a lot of questions arise for me.

05:17And will it be smooth or not?

05:20So, the first thing is that General Faisal Ameed's decision should be a trial.

05:25And this is the first in the history of Pakistan.

05:28But just to remind you, and according to Mr. Nawaz Sharif,

05:34General Shuja Pasha was also involved.

05:36He was fully involved.

05:38He was accused, not once, but a hundred times, of making PTI.

05:43Regarding Zaheer-ul-Islam, Mr. Nawaz Sharif accused that he was involved in the 2014 protest.

05:51So, this is not the first time.

05:53Is this the last time?

05:54That is also the big question that we need to ask.

05:57Was Faisal Ameed using unlimited power?

05:59That is why I said, Mr. Zubair, a door is being opened.

06:01It is a good thing that this door is being opened.

06:03See, the constitution and the law, credit to the army's leadership,

06:08that they are saying that if anyone is involved in politics,

06:11the General Court-Marshal will be against him.

06:14This is the first sentence.

06:16This is what I was asking, Kashif.

06:18Yes.

06:19Kashif, I was asking the same question.

06:21The trial that is taking place, that person is Faisal Ameed.

06:26But for me, for you and for the whole of Pakistan,

06:29the importance of that is that there was a position,

06:32in which he did not have to be involved in politics,

06:34and he was involved, and he must pay the price.

06:37And I am all for it.

06:39But, have we closed those doors?

06:42Mr. Wada, before I come to politics.

06:44Is this not happening today?

06:46That is the key thing.

06:47Has the unlimited power that Faisal Ameed had,

06:50has it all returned?

06:51In which checks and balances have come,

06:53control mechanism has come,

06:55decision making has become broad based.

06:57On the basis of which, this will never happen again.

07:00Because that is the most important point.

07:02We are talking about Pakistan.

07:04Faisal Ameed is not that important.

07:06Pakistan is far more important.

07:08Faisal Ameed is a symptom.

07:09Pakistan's present and Pakistan's future is far more important.

07:11Let's take this answer.

07:13Let's take this answer.

07:15Let's sit in front of him and talk about politics.

07:17Mr. Zubair, let's take this answer.

07:19Let me just say one thing.

07:21If Imran Khan goes through a military trial,

07:25with a past record of Pakistan's judicial history,

07:28it will have very bad consequences.

07:31Because, in the eyes of the world,

07:33we have to tell everyone that this was a fair trial.

07:36Imran Khan is not a small man,

07:38that by going through a trial,

07:40Faisal Ameed is obviously a soldier,

07:42he should be.

M Zubair says "If Imran Khan undergoes a military trial, it will have very dangerous consequences"

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