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00:00As-Salaam-Alaikum, I am Muhammad Malik, and you are watching Khabar Lahariya.
00:20There is only one thing going on in the country, whether there will be a dialogue between PTI
00:24and the government.
00:26And if you look at the statements of the government, even Sherry Rehman has put his share in it.
00:31When he said that the days of his faiz have passed, first apologize, then we will talk.
00:37Senator Irfan Siddiqui said that on the one hand, he hung a sword on us for his civil disobedience.
00:43On the other hand, you say, talk about negotiations, come without agenda, then we will talk.
00:48Confusing messages are coming from the PTI.
00:52First, Umar Khan said that there is no dialogue with anyone.
00:55Then he said that we are ready to talk to angels.
00:59Today, I was listening to his other leader, Shaukat Yusufzai in Peshawar.
01:04He said that if a dialogue starts, then this civil disobedience campaign will be postponed.
01:14Zartaj Gul Sahiba was also saying the same things.
01:18Mixed signals are coming.
01:19But when Aleema Khan Sahiba came to meet Khan Sahib,
01:22it seemed from her attitude that Khan Sahib is very angry today.
01:28And she was very angry that the prayer she had to make,
01:32which she announced on the 13th, was not told to the people.
01:36They are not talking about civil disobedience.
01:38First listen to what she said, then I will share two very important news with you.
01:44The conversation has not started yet.
01:46Some agenda has been finalized.
01:48But I will share with you what response the government has already prepared.
01:54This is very interesting.
01:55This decision has not been made yet.
01:57But the package has been prepared as to what will be given to the PTI.
02:01But first, let's listen to Aleema Khan Sahiba.
02:03Two demands have been put forward.
02:05One demand is to investigate JIT, Nomain and Shafeez Nawabkar.
02:11All political prisoners should be released.
02:15If these two demands are not met,
02:17then we will go towards civil disobedience.
02:21Today, they have very strictly guided their leadership.
02:26And they have specifically asked that they have publicized it.
02:31They have told people which location it is.
02:33We have also told the rest of the lawyers that no, people do not know at this time.
02:37They have raised questions on why this has not been done.
02:41They have given strict instructions on their leadership.
02:45You should tell the time and people as soon as possible.
02:50Because three or four days are left.
02:52Civil disobedience is the last resort.
02:54It is the last option.
02:55So it is better to talk to the government before that.
02:57I think enough is enough.
02:58After December 13, the civil disobedience is not on the table.
03:02No, no, it is not on the table.
03:03It is our last resort.
03:05They say it is our last resort.
03:07Now, let me give the introduction of my guest.
03:10Then I will share the news with you.
03:11Mr. Javed is with us.
03:13Senator Faisal Wawda is with us.
03:15Mr. Shah, you have joined PTA today.
03:17You are wearing PTA colors.
03:21I don't think I am ready to go to jail.
03:24I was worried.
03:26I thought you will have a crisis on Friday night.
03:28You always take out time.
03:31We pray to Allah for this.
03:33It is interesting.
03:35Let me share this news with you.
03:37A counter narrative has been made.
03:42I don't know.
03:43But it is a very interesting thing.
03:45If there is a conversation,
03:46then what is the proposal of the government at this time?
03:49The thing is that you should end the civil disobedience.
03:57You will be given more relief in jail.
04:02You will be given more physical comforts.
04:09But there is no freedom either.
04:11Relief will start phase-wise.
04:14It will start with women and those who are older.
04:22Dr. Yasmin Rashid and Shah Mehmood have been charged.
04:32Imran Khan has also been charged.
04:37Anyway, coming back to the package.
04:41The interesting thing is that
04:43apart from these two,
04:45the military trial of Imran Khan will be postponed.
04:52If you remember the press release of the ISP,
04:54it was mentioned that
04:56General Faiz Ameed was involved in all the cases of May 9th
05:02at the behest of a political vested interest.
05:06An investigation is going on.
05:08If an investigation has been done for a year and seven months,
05:11then it will take another year and seven months.
05:15This is the package at this time.
05:17When the conversation starts,
05:19you will see that the conversation will start.
05:21Another option is also being worked on.
05:23This is the information received from Islamabad and Pindi.
05:27It is being worked on in the second tier.
05:30The decision-making authority at the top
05:33is not in agreement yet.
05:35But what is that?
05:36If the PMLN cannot handle things at all,
05:39and if a unity government is formed
05:42in which the People's Party is leading,
05:44and the PTI is also included,
05:47then what incentives will be there for the PTI to be included?
05:51There will be a guarantee that
05:53Imran Khan's military trial will not take place on May 9th.
05:58General elections will be held a year in advance.
06:01And the Chief Election Commissioner
06:04and the members of the Election Commission
06:06will have mutual agreement.
06:08This is plan B.
06:10Plan 1 will start now.
06:12We will see what happens and what does not happen.
06:14But there is an absolute confusion.
06:16Two steps forward, one step backwards.
06:18We shared the news with you that
06:20even in the last meeting,
06:22Mr. Khan took a lot of class from Mr. Gauhar.
06:24And he told him,
06:26first tell me, why did you say 12?
06:30Until you were not sure,
06:32why did you say the number?
06:34Why did you not hold a press conference?
06:36And when he was told that
06:38this is a civil disobedience issue,
06:40and many people are objecting,
06:42he told them to resign.
06:44First resign from the party and then talk.
06:46I would have said this.
06:48Now, when Mr. Aleema Khan spoke,
06:50it seems that Mr. Khan is on his strict attitude.
06:53And he has also sent a very clear message
06:55through his wife.
06:57And he also mentioned the scolding that took place.
06:59So now there can be no two debates.
07:01But on the other hand, there is absolute confusion.
07:03Where is the conversation going?
07:05Let's talk about this.
07:07Mr. Faisal, let's start with you.
07:09You keep the news of both sides.
07:11Then you started meeting everyone.
07:13So people said that this plan has started.
07:15These meetings have started.
07:17Many friends of PMLN asked me,
07:19ask Mr. Faisal and tell us what is happening.
07:21And I got to know that many people
07:23also came to you on the floor of the Senate.
07:25What is Faisal doing?
07:27It was like throwing a cat amongst the pigeons.
07:29How much is the possibility of this conversation?
07:33And if these things increase,
07:35then will there be a military trial on May 9?
07:37Because the lawyers who have been beaten
07:39themselves have said in our programs
07:41that they think that the Supreme Court
07:43will give a go-ahead for the military trial.
07:45So even if this happens,
07:47then the military trial will be off the table.
07:49How much is the possibility
07:51that there will not be a military trial?
07:53Thank you, Mr. Malik.
07:55But first of all,
07:57I have met many people.
07:59They have the right.
08:01Colleagues take care of their friends.
08:03But the problem is that
08:05I want to make people fall.
08:07But there should be someone standing.
08:09Without standing, who should I make fall?
08:11Right now, I am giving injections to the lying people.
08:13When someone is standing,
08:15then a person falls.
08:17Now when they are standing,
08:19then we will see.
08:21Right now, they are lying,
08:23so I am giving them injections.
08:25If you talk to me at this time,
08:27on this date, on this day.
08:29Why are they not standing?
08:31Do they have a choice?
08:33Whatever they are told,
08:35what choice do they have to refuse?
08:37Sir, standing means that
08:39you will have to take
08:41positive and negative on yourself.
08:43Whether it is by handling the protest,
08:45whether it is by handling the economy,
08:47whether it is by handling the issues
08:49in the ministry,
08:51or in the narrative,
08:53they will have to bear the weight.
08:55And if they do not bear the weight,
08:57and I always say that
08:59they have no problem with the establishment,
09:01with the public, with the judiciary,
09:03with the political party,
09:05with you, with me.
09:07They have a problem with their own weight.
09:09After that, you can't do anything else.
09:11In fact, I am giving them injections,
09:13asking them to get up and lie down.
09:15When they are standing,
09:17then we will see.
09:19It is also fun to make people fall
09:21The level of civil disobedience
09:23has increased further,
09:25as I told you.
09:27And the call for civil disobedience
09:29was linked to Faiz Abid's trial.
09:31Because if Faiz Abid's trial
09:33was influenced, bypassed,
09:35then Imran Khan would not be
09:37charged.
09:39And with Imran Khan,
09:41Begum Sahab and other
09:43supporters of that time
09:45would not be charged.
09:47And when I say that
09:49Imran Khan's case
09:51has not been highlighted anywhere.
09:53And there was firing
09:55on Imran Khan,
09:57in which Imran Khan
09:59was conspired to kill.
10:01And Imran Khan was told
10:03that he knew it was a lie
10:05because there was no eye in front of the bullet.
10:07When Imran Khan would have known,
10:09when I have been saying for two years
10:11that Imran Khan's people were
10:13Imran Khan's followers,
10:15Imran Khan trusted them the most,
10:17then Imran Khan will make
10:19such a decision,
10:21which he has been making
10:23in his personal life for many years.
10:25So there should be clarity here as well.
10:27And as far as your question is concerned,
10:29If there is a military trial,
10:31will it be negotiable?
10:33If there is a military trial,
10:35then it will neither be shocking
10:37nor surprising for me.
10:39Number two is that
10:41when Faiz Abid's trial will take place,
10:43who was a strong man at that time,
10:45has given evidence and devices
10:47in which Imran Khan
10:49gets trapped
10:51and the rest of the people also get trapped.
10:53And this is not happening today,
10:55this has happened before.
10:57And what you are saying again and again
10:59that this is a charge sheet,
11:01this is not a charge sheet
11:03like our conventional courts
11:05that when the military decides
11:07in their court,
11:09they compile it and
11:11the punishment for these crimes
11:13will be compiled.
11:15And it will be compiled in the same way
11:17as this has been compiled.
11:19I don't see any way in this.
11:21If your trial will be here in Bajor,
11:23then the other one cannot be in Germany.
11:25There is no logic.
11:27Okay, if you subside this as well,
11:29then the way of the government
11:31in today's date as well,
11:33there is talk, there is talk, there is talk,
11:35and the government should move forward
11:37by holding hands.
11:39What is the concern of the government
11:41when the temperature has gone down
11:43and the temperatures have gone down
11:45so if the attitude of the establishment
11:47has changed and started,
11:49then it is a problem for the government.
11:51Is the government resisting this
11:53so that the discussion does not start at all?
11:55Sir, there is a need to look at
11:57a telescope in this.
11:59The charge sheet of this government
12:01is in the mouth of the leader
12:03whose vote is Mr. Nawaz Sharif.
12:05He is not listening to any words.
12:07He is not listening in the fiasco,
12:09he is not listening in the fiasco.
12:11He is not listening in the fiasco.
12:13He is not listening in the fiasco.
12:15He is not listening in the fiasco.
12:17He is not listening in the fiasco.
12:19He is not listening in the fiasco.
12:21He is not listening in the fiasco.
12:23He is not listening in the fiasco.
12:25He is not listening in the fiasco.
12:27He is not listening in the fiasco.
12:29He is not listening in the fiasco.
12:31He is not listening in the fiasco.
12:33He is not listening in the fiasco.
12:35He is not listening in the fiasco.
12:37He is not listening in the fiasco.
12:39He is not listening in the fiasco.
12:41He is not listening in the fiasco.
12:43He is not listening in the fiasco.
12:45He is not listening in the fiasco.
12:47He is not listening in the fiasco.
12:49He is not listening in the fiasco.
12:51He is not listening in the fiasco.
12:53He is not listening in the fiasco.
12:55He is not listening in the fiasco.
12:57He is not listening in the fiasco.
12:59He is not listening in the fiasco.
13:01He is not listening in the fiasco.
13:03He is not listening in the fiasco.
13:05Sir, we have brought him back,
13:07and this is happening under a formula.
13:09Imran Khan's party, people,
13:11Imran Khan's wife,
13:13are calling him crazy.
13:15They are creating problems for him.
13:17Imran Khan is not getting relief.
13:19After doing such campaigns,
13:21they are putting him in worse difficulties.
13:23Imran Khan is the only person
13:25who is suffering.
13:27Imran Khan is the only person
13:29who is suffering.
13:31I have been with him for 15 years.
13:33We had this discussion in 2014.
13:35We had this discussion in 2015.
13:37You may have some idea about it.
13:39We had this discussion in 2015.
13:41Imran Khan's posturing
13:43of a leader,
13:45of a celebrity,
13:47of a world cup winner,
13:49is like this.
13:51When I bowl, I break the bat.
13:53Sometimes, I hit sixes.
13:55The movement of civil disobedience
13:57is like a back burner.
13:59It has already gone to failure
14:01and Faiz Ameer has cleared it.
14:03Mr. Nusrat, tell me,
14:05there is a general perception
14:07that Imran Khan is trying
14:09to talk.
14:11You remember,
14:13Bushra Bibi's recorded message
14:15that we want to address the leaders
14:17and say that there is no vengeance.
14:19If we come to power,
14:21maybe they will get the message
14:23or not.
14:25And the establishment
14:27is standing with a strict line.
14:29The government is not sabotaging
14:31so that there is no discussion.
14:33Because if there is a discussion
14:35and there is a little softness
14:37on both sides,
14:39then the first loss will be
14:41on the government.
14:43Their survival is linked
14:45that the establishment
14:47and Imran Khan fight each other.
14:49The word of General Dyer
14:51that has come through Halima Bibi
14:53is my dear brother.
14:55No minister of this present government
14:57has not done this.
14:59What do you think?
15:01Who is sabotaging this?
15:03The biggest thing is that
15:05you are with me.
15:07Today is the third program
15:09that Imran Khan
15:11is ready for negotiations.
15:13I am not saying that.
15:15I am saying that
15:17he is on the hardline.
15:19His party is saying that.
15:21Faisal Bada has worked with him.
15:23He has been close to him.
15:25One post is
15:27in the cricket field.
15:31I have been informed
15:33about this.
15:35Is this news
15:37from the official site?
15:41Imran Khan
15:43is very angry today.
15:45He has also said
15:47that the news
15:49of the newspaper
15:51is giving an impression
15:53that he is not trusting the leadership
15:55but it is surprising that
15:57everyone is happy outside.
15:59I have been informed that
16:01everything is going well outside.
16:03This has been said in the court.
16:05I am telling you again
16:07that the thing
16:09that you are not understanding
16:11is that he has
16:13expressed his hatred
16:15towards Halima Bibi.
16:17You should have listened to him
16:19carefully.
16:21He changed the name of D-Chowk
16:23to Yawm-e-Shohada.
16:25After that,
16:27he is saying that
16:2926th November
16:31is the blackest day
16:33in the history of Pakistan.
16:35He is saying that
16:37he will retire.
16:39I don't understand
16:41what he is saying.
16:43He is saying that
16:45the top leadership
16:47is saying that
16:49you should have
16:51given permission to Adiala.
16:53In my opinion,
16:55you should like Tehreek-e-Insaf or not.
16:57In my opinion,
16:59Tehreek-e-Insaf
17:01has only one meaning.
17:03That is Imran Khan
17:05and Aashqan-e-Imran.
17:07That's it.
17:09Shibli Faraz,
17:11Umar Ayub,
17:13they are all good people.
17:15They are all protecting themselves.
17:17One more thing.
17:19I want to ask you
17:21one thing.
17:23He is the most active
17:25and a senator as well.
17:27I call him the most coward.
17:29I don't call him Faisal Marda.
17:31Alright.
17:33MQM and People's Party
17:35are sitting in the Senate
17:37with both their votes.
17:39And none of them
17:41voted.
17:43Let me tell you one thing.
17:45The action against
17:47Faiz Hameed,
17:49whether anyone likes it or not,
17:51I have seen them
17:53in 3-4 marriages.
17:55They were in Pindi.
17:57And they were people
17:59related to Pindi.
18:01They were liked
18:03in some circles of young officers.
18:05Like Janna-e-Damandana.
18:07Alright.
18:09When you give them
18:11such a severe punishment,
18:13do you think
18:15that when I am giving
18:17such a severe punishment
18:19to Mr. Nail,
18:21should I leave
18:23the person with him?
18:25How is this possible?
18:27I don't have any information.
18:29I totally agree.
18:31The punishment that is being given
18:33will be in the case of
18:35Top City primarily.
18:37It has nothing to do with
18:39their institution.
18:41Mr. Khan, I will come back to this.
18:43But my question is
18:45that
18:47who will talk
18:49if the leadership is
18:51saving itself?
18:53Mr. Imran Khan is sitting
18:55with a hardline.
18:57You say that he is flexible.
18:59He will talk.
19:01But Khan is inside.
19:03They have to talk outside.
19:05Who is going to talk?
19:07How will they negotiate?
19:09I think the line has dropped.
19:11I am coming to you.
19:13I got the impression that the line is cut.
19:15The case of Top City
19:17has ruined the careers of many officers.
19:19After Top City, there is
19:21murderous intent, political involvement.
19:23They have to use the people of their institute.
19:25They have to use the power of their institute.
19:27Nationally, internationally,
19:29campaigning. Remember,
19:31when the first protest took place in Peshawar
19:33at the core commander's house,
19:35the core commander of Peshawar
19:37was Mr. Faiz Ameed.
19:39The head of the house was also Mr. Faiz Ameed.
19:41But Mr. Faiz Ameed's father,
19:43whom we wanted to make the army chief,
19:45was our pawn because we wanted to
19:47become the president
19:49and run the kingdom.
19:51And all this kingdom and planning,
19:53when I tell you again and again,
19:55that this is so scary,
19:57I am not even close to
19:59their experience.
20:01Mr. Javed is one of our teachers.
20:03But when he laid the foundation
20:05that justice will be equal
20:07for a powerful and common man
20:09in 75 years,
20:11when he will give it to his own man,
20:13will he leave it to someone else?
20:15There is a difference in the foundation.
20:17I will include Mazhar as well.
20:19All the charges against General Faiz Ameed
20:21are of post-retirement.
20:23This is also wrong.
20:25No, I am talking about the press release.
20:27We don't know what will happen tomorrow.
20:29I am talking about the official version
20:31that he did this post-retirement
20:33There are two versions of the press release.
20:35The first one is a pre-release.
20:37Otherwise, how did he come to the top city?
20:39He was put in the top city
20:41in the Supreme Court.
20:43The Supreme Court gave the order.
20:45After that, we investigated.
20:47And then we came.
20:49The rest is on post-retirement.
20:51I am just saying that if there is
20:53to be any negotiation,
20:55military trial is a very important thing.
20:57In the past, we have seen
20:59when different prime ministers were
21:01dragged through the courts.
21:03The Supreme Court released Mr. Nawaz Sharif.
21:05The Supreme Court released Mr. Gilani.
21:09The Supreme Court hanged Mr. Bhutto.
21:13There was always a civilian façade.
21:15This will be the first time
21:17that if this trial goes on
21:19and the military court is punished,
21:21the institution will take the entire
21:23burden on itself.
21:25Because the burden of prosecution,
21:27evidence and punishment increases.
21:29Tomorrow, a fig leaf will end
21:31of a political façade.
21:33Before this,
21:35the plan A and plan B
21:37that I was sharing,
21:39will there not be a full effort
21:41for a settlement of Imran Khan's
21:43ashram and we do not have to
21:45take this extreme step?
21:47Otherwise, they will directly pitch
21:49each other against the institution
21:51and Imran Khan and his party.
21:53Look,
21:55I feel that
21:57if you look at the
21:59press release of ISPR,
22:01the reference to 9th May,
22:03and when I saw it
22:05for the first time,
22:07I said that 9th May
22:09was kept as an option.
22:11The option is that
22:13they kept it open,
22:159th May.
22:17They did not directly
22:19charge him in 9th May.
22:21This means that
22:23when Faiz Hamid is being told
22:25that there will be a process
22:27under the Official Secret Act
22:29and Army Act,
22:31then both pre-retirement
22:33and post-retirement
22:35are included in the
22:37Official Secret Act and Army Act.
22:39But in the same press release,
22:41when you are talking about 9th May,
22:43even after 1.5 years,
22:45it was said that
22:47an investigation is being carried out.
22:49That is such a fine line
22:51that from my point of view,
22:53an option has been kept open
22:55that Imran Khan may apologize.
22:57PTI may apologize.
22:59This is what I was saying,
23:01that if this investigation
23:03can go on for a year and seven months,
23:05then it can go on for another year and seven months.
23:07Secondly,
23:09I don't think so.
23:11Look, Imran Khan
23:13is a former Prime Minister.
23:15He is a civilian.
23:17He is the leader
23:19of Pakistan's largest political party.
23:21His trial in the military
23:23court
23:25can get a lot of
23:27reaction internationally.
23:29There can be a reaction
23:31from the Human Rights Watch etc.
23:33I feel that
23:35his trial in the military
23:37court may not happen.
23:39And if Faiz Hamid and Imran Khan
23:41are mixed together,
23:43then it will lead to mutiny.
23:45And those charges
23:47have not been filed yet.
23:49The charges of treason have not been filed yet.
23:51The charge of mutiny has not been filed yet
23:53on General Faiz Hamid.
23:55But if this is established
23:57and further things are not settled,
23:59then if there is a trial,
24:01then there will be
24:03two trials.
24:05That is, there will be two trials
24:07on the same charge.
24:09There will be two trials on the same charge sheet.
24:11There will be a civilian trial and a military trial.
24:13I think there is
24:15a lot of confusion there.
24:17How will this happen?
24:19If it is proven
24:21in the investigation
24:23that there was a connivance
24:25and a plan of mutiny,
24:27then the context
24:29will be completely different.
24:31That is very dangerous.
24:33I don't think there is any confusion.
24:35I see a lot of clarity.
24:37When you read the statement,
24:39as you said,
24:41it looks like an option.
24:45Mr. Faisal, is this
24:47a negotiating option?
24:49Not at all.
24:51There is a mediocre tier in this army
24:53which is not of any political party.
24:55And it is not even liked
24:57if it becomes a part of a political party.
24:59There will be a mutiny,
25:01there will be a rebellion,
25:03there will be treachery and treachery.
25:05This will conclude with terms and conditions.
25:07You can write this in today's date.
25:09Their lieutenant general is DGIS.
25:11He is a monster DGIS.
25:13He is such a disaster.
25:15He became a monster
25:17because he supported the Prime Minister.
25:19You are saying that you see a military trial
25:21at any cost.
25:23No, I said to Mr. Imran Khan
25:25that I will not be surprised or shocked.
25:27But the charges that will be imposed
25:29and the punishment under which
25:31will be a blessing.
25:33The investigation will be completed.
25:35Sir, you plan everything
25:37except treachery.
25:39The punishment for this is death or life imprisonment.
25:41Let's hope that life imprisonment
25:43is not the punishment for death.
25:45Let me take a break.
25:47After the break, I will ask all three of you
25:49whether there is a way forward or not.
25:51On one hand, there is absolute confusion.
25:53Mr. Khan is upset
25:55as to whether his party is running things
25:57or not.
25:59The government is shouting.
26:01They are not ready to talk.
26:03The establishment is going on a hard line.
26:05The first part is over.
26:07The second part is open.
26:09This is the first time that May 9th
26:11has been discussed openly
26:13in a press release.
26:15General Faiz and others have linked up.
26:17So, what will happen in the coming days?
26:19Let's do the analysis after the break.
26:27Welcome back to the show.
26:29Yesterday,
26:31Mr. Rana Sinhawala was in my program.
26:33I asked him
26:35how things will go.
26:37He said that he will change his attitude.
26:39He can always change his attitude.
26:41Mr. Khan, what should we change?
26:43What should we change?
26:45What should we do?
26:47He is asking for negotiations.
26:49He took a video from Ahliya.
26:51What should we do?
26:53I am always against
26:55when you go to the army
26:57and do only two things.
26:59You shake hands and beg.
27:01Even when you go out,
27:03you do the same thing.
27:05You shake hands and beg.
27:07My message to your establishment
27:09is to end this precedent
27:11of coming in and apologizing.
27:13Then you go and beg 25 crore people
27:15and build your politics on that.
27:17Secondly,
27:19if Mr. Rana Sinhawala says
27:21to do this, then do that.
27:23We have to put that in everything.
27:25And now we have to find
27:27who puts everything in that.
27:29Mr. Rana Sinhawala
27:31can ignore Mr. Rana Sinhawala
27:33in his work.
27:35You can respect him.
27:37He is straight with the President.
27:39He said that he has a fight
27:41with the President of Pakistan.
27:43Mr. Rana Sinhawala is a very flexible person.
27:45He is a great politician.
27:47You can't ignore him.
27:49You stole his mandate in KP.
27:51That is another thing.
27:53But having said that,
27:55Mr. Rana Sinhawala's issue
27:57is that there is hope.
27:59It will be solved.
28:01We will get it done.
28:03But I want to add one more thing.
28:05The 26 amendments were passed
28:07by us, the legislators.
28:09Now you are saying that
28:11they are not agreeing.
28:13You can blame yourself.
28:15I also blame myself.
28:17You can make a difference
28:19between the two.
28:21If there is an issue,
28:23you can rectify it.
28:25Mr. Rana Sinhawala
28:27is a well-educated man.
28:29He is a lawyer.
28:31He can rectify the issue.
28:33I am sure that it will be done.
28:35We will get it done.
28:37But it is not possible
28:39that we pass the amendments
28:41and put the blame on someone else.
28:43It is not possible.
28:45Mr. Nusrat,
28:47there is no doubt
28:49that the vote on 8th
28:51did not show the result on 9th.
28:53There is no doubt
28:55that Mr. Imran Khan will be
28:57the most popular.
28:59There is no doubt
29:01that Imran is a pro-vote.
29:03There are many votes
29:05for the entire establishment,
29:07but he is the most popular.
29:09There is no doubt
29:11that there is a personality clash
29:13between two powerful people.
29:15There is a divergent
29:17interest and everything.
29:19But having said that,
29:21when Imran came into politics,
29:23both parties were God.
29:25The People's Party
29:27and the PMLN
29:29were both God.
29:31There was a balance
29:33and everyone came down.
29:35What does the establishment
29:37afford?
29:39If you put Imran aside
29:41and the party aside
29:43and these parties
29:45do everything
29:47in their own way,
29:49won't the country's politics be ruined?
29:51No, no.
29:53There is no political force.
29:55Why should Imran be?
29:57Look,
29:59there is one thing,
30:01Nusrat Javed,
30:03a well-educated,
30:05commentator,
30:07a witness of national politics,
30:09Dereena,
30:11I have a personal desire,
30:13and that is my personal desire,
30:15looking at the situation in Pakistan,
30:17that
30:19there should be
30:21some kind of
30:23working relationship
30:25between the establishment
30:27and Imran Khan.
30:29But
30:31the situation is
30:33that the facts
30:35are not helping
30:37my desire.
30:39I am a reporter
30:41and so are you.
30:43You should know
30:45that the officer
30:47who was arrested
30:49from Qalar Sayyeda,
30:51did he have any connection
30:53with Arshad Sharif
30:55by sending him out?
30:57A new case is being
30:59brought forward, isn't it?
31:01I am talking about
31:03Mazar.
31:05Mazar, there is an official tweet
31:07from the official
31:09handle of Imran Khan.
31:11This is very interesting.
31:13According
31:15to their
31:17official handle,
31:43they said that apart from
31:45civil disobedience, they have
31:47no other option.
31:49If there is no judicial commission
31:51on the senior three judges,
31:53and if the prisoners are not
31:55released under trial,
31:57then this civil disobedience
31:59will continue.
32:01Then they talked about
32:03General Faiz.
32:05He said that when he was
32:07the Prime Minister,
32:09he used to get permission
32:11from the government
32:13to arrest him on 9th May.
32:15So General Faiz,
32:17after retirement,
32:19how could he help us?
32:21Now,
32:23according to this
32:25official handle,
32:27my news has become clear
32:29that after 2-3 days,
32:31the campaign on social media
32:33is starting.
32:35Videos of Syria will be made
32:37and prisoners of Pakistan
32:39will be asked from their
32:41people not to do
32:43what your children
32:45were arrested for on 9th May.
32:47This time, there will be barbarism.
32:49Prisoners will not be released.
32:51Number one.
32:53Number two,
32:55my second point has been
32:57confirmed.
32:59After saving Faiz Hamid,
33:01the whole issue is being
33:03put on Mr. Bajwa.
33:05I told you in the first
33:07part,
33:09I will take this point.
33:11The talks that were
33:13going on,
33:15after this tweet,
33:17after the X post,
33:19will all this end?
33:21Because the government
33:23used to say not to hang a sword
33:25on our heads.
33:27Now they have said that
33:29these are the two conditions.
33:31In my opinion,
33:33this is what is happening.
33:35Today,
33:37a policy statement
33:39of Bani PTI came out.
33:41If you look at
33:43the entire statement,
33:45you can see
33:47that first of all,
33:49they are not trusting
33:51their current leadership.
33:53They did not say that,
33:55but they said that
33:57good news is coming.
33:59This means that if you
34:01meet the speaker today,
34:03and he has said that
34:05he is ready to talk,
34:07then there is no point.
34:09Now if he is giving this call,
34:11and he is giving such a
34:13strict call,
34:15what is the meaning
34:17of civil disobedience
34:19and how to run
34:21civil disobedience,
34:23that is a separate discussion.
34:25But the important thing
34:27is that the meaning
34:29of today's statement
34:31is that
34:33it will not take months,
34:35it will take weeks,
34:37so the pressure in those weeks
34:39will be exerted.
34:43But what will be
34:45its scope?
34:47Obviously, we will see it in KP
34:49or outside of Pakistan.
34:51I don't think that
34:53in Sindh or even in Punjab,
34:55a lot of things will be seen.
34:57Now the focus,
34:59the focus has become very clear
35:01because of this,
35:03that they are seeing that
35:05Faiz Ameed's trial will be fast.
35:07Obviously, normally in the field
35:09of the General Court-martial,
35:11it is an unusual thing that
35:13the charge sheet has been told
35:15to the public, otherwise
35:17the decision is told.
35:19So his trial will be fast.
35:21Now it is seen that the 9th of May
35:23option, which we are talking about,
35:25that option is also coming to an end.
35:27The PTI of Bani PTI
35:29I think that
35:31it will dominate.
35:33And this Barrister Gauhar
35:35and Company,
35:37they will slowly become a sideline.
35:39So what will happen to the conversation?
35:41After this tweet,
35:43after this message,
35:45which came from the Twitter
35:47handler of Bani PTI,
35:49what is left after that?
35:51Now it is that
35:53I think the conversation will also
35:55end, because this message has come.
35:57Now they have said that you should
35:59prepare for 15th.
36:01And after 15th,
36:03the civil disobedience scene has started.
36:05Right now,
36:07they were talking about
36:09stopping the money,
36:11now they are talking about
36:13civil disobedience, what is the
36:15further agenda?
36:17If this is the thing,
36:19we were listening to option A,
36:21we were listening to option B,
36:23if this clash
36:25is so full,
36:27punishments have been done,
36:29a whole party,
36:31it is popular,
36:33it would have been a clash with the institution.
36:35So option A, B,
36:37both have gone.
36:39So is there a danger of option M?
36:43Now my problem with you
36:45is that when I
36:47complain to you
36:49at the beginning of the program,
36:51then finally the expression in Punjabi
36:53reaches you and you vote for it.
36:55Until you saw this tweet,
36:57you did not believe
36:59what I said.
37:01The first thing I said to you was
37:03that you have raised a suspicion
37:05that you have not written it.
37:07May Allah protect you from such friends.
37:09Anyway,
37:11I just want to say this.
37:13I have to take a break.
37:15It is time.
37:17I will come back and ask this.
37:19If we are going towards an absolute clash,
37:21then what will happen after the break?
37:29Welcome back.
37:31Before the break, we were talking about
37:33the possibilities,
37:35what can be done,
37:37but the leadership was
37:39talking about talk talk.
37:41It seems that Imran Khan has
37:43started a new war.
37:45But now,
37:47after this post,
37:49I feel that Imran Khan has
37:51completely finished the matter.
37:53What do you see happening?
37:55I don't know.
37:57Look,
37:59he has just received this post.
38:01Tomorrow something else will happen.
38:03Someone else will meet him.
38:05He will come out and talk about something else.
38:07In PTI,
38:09there is a consistent confusion.
38:11And that confusion
38:13has brought them to this point.
38:15Whatever has happened,
38:17the civil disobedience
38:19that has happened,
38:21No, the confusion is in PTI or Imran Khan.
38:23Whatever Imran Khan has to say,
38:25that will be the policy.
38:27No, but the problem is that
38:29whatever Imran Khan says,
38:31when he comes out,
38:33Barrister Gauhar's style is completely different.
38:35Alima Khan's style is completely different.
38:37Bushra Bibi's style is completely different.
38:39This is the thing that is putting
38:41PTI to a standstill.
38:43Look, I, Mr. Nusrat,
38:45and the three of us are reporters.
38:47Right now, only Faisal Wada
38:49is making good copies.
38:51Whatever Faisal Wada does,
38:53a new copy comes everywhere.
38:55A new thing comes.
38:57I feel that
38:59things are not getting better.
39:01Okay, things are not getting better.
39:03Shahji, we are heading to
39:05open clash
39:07straight away.
39:09And I have this fear
39:11that after reading
39:13all this,
39:15the verbal statements I said
39:17before the B-Tweet,
39:19we are confusing a little.
39:21Military court is a different thing.
39:23Going to the military court
39:25is a different thing.
39:27So, I have this fear
39:29that
39:31after this B-Tweet,
39:33I will not rule out
39:35going to the military court
39:37for further investigation.
39:39Faisal, you know Mr. Khan
39:41very well.
39:43Mr. Khan used to say
39:45that politics and power
39:47is a game of nerves.
39:49So, of course, he would like to
39:51increase the pressure.
39:53But the people he is putting pressure on
39:55are also very comfortable.
39:57There is power, Supreme Court
39:59is also in control, IIM is also there,
40:01term is also extra, everything is there.
40:03War of nerves in full clash.
40:05Is everything
40:07now on stake or
40:09do you still have something?
40:11Sir, it is the opposite of me.
40:13I am seeing a lot of clash.
40:15Mr. Imran Khan wants to create
40:17a game of nerves, so he wants to
40:19diffuse it very quickly.
40:21And you will see, there is no such clash.
40:23Secondly, we should definitely discuss
40:25one side that the current army chief,
40:27what was his role as DGIS?
40:29He showed honesty and goodness
40:31to the Prime Minister and
40:33he was also sacked as a reward.
40:35And this was the fear that
40:37when the chief will come,
40:39Begum Sahiba's things will be revealed.
40:41So let's see the balance on both sides.
40:43I am not seeing a clash.
40:45I will never rule out his
40:47importance, nor will I rule out
40:49the military courts.
40:51But I am not seeing a clash.
40:53This fiasco is being created
40:55that someone comes to the table
40:57and talks directly to Imran Khan.
40:59But neither can I afford this clash.
41:01And the leadership of PTI,
41:03he will go towards the clash.
41:05He is trying to save his life.
41:07He is begging the government
41:09to negotiate.
41:11And I am telling the government
41:13to get up and bring him to the table.
41:15He is the chairman of the People's Party.
41:17Give him respect.
41:19Give him mandate.
41:21Even today, there is no government
41:23present in the Senate.
41:25Do you think we will accept
41:27this disrespectful attitude?
41:29Thank you very much.
41:31Thank you very much.
42:01May Allah bless you.
42:03May Allah bless you.