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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Mahmood Malik.
00:14The year 2024 is about to end, just a matter of a few days are left.
00:18The biggest two subjects were going on.
00:20What will be the dialogue?
00:22The PTR is starting in the middle of the government.
00:25On 2nd January, there will be a return on their demands.
00:28There will be a dialogue on that.
00:30On one side, there is civil disobedience.
00:33I don't know why they call it civil disobedience.
00:35Because they have requested to stop or reduce the remittances.
00:39But anyway, that is also going on in parallel.
00:42But, and third, will Imran Khan be there in 2025 or not?
00:47And if he is there, on what basis?
00:50What terms will be there? Will there be a deal?
00:53But when all these things were going on, there was a very serious angle.
00:58When DGISP and General Sharif made some very harsh remarks.
01:05One was their references to PTI on 9th May.
01:09From that, a very clear message is coming that
01:12although it is not possible that the government
01:15can initiate such a dialogue without the consent of the establishment.
01:20But at the same time, the harsh language that has come,
01:23it seems that perhaps this is a maximum Khana Puri.
01:27What is it? Because the language is very harsh.
01:30We will also share that with you.
01:32But along with that, a very serious allegation has come.
01:35Right now, Pakistan has a very big problem.
01:37There is a very serious spike in terrorism incidents.
01:40And there are a lot of deaths of our soldiers, law enforcement people, civilians.
01:46These terrorists also have a very heavy year on them.
01:51Even the highest ever number has been killed.
01:53But when DGISP said that this whole result was due to those people,
01:59there was a lot of spike.
02:00When in 2021, these terrorists were re-settled.
02:05This issue is important because I have been following this subject very closely.
02:11Because I had a very hard line on terrorists.
02:14And you will remember that I had an interview with Imran Khan.
02:17There was also some criticism on this matter.
02:20He was keeping a soft approach.
02:22And he still needs this argument today.
02:24That dialogues are the cure for negotiated settlement.
02:27And even today, while talking in jail, he has repeated the same thing.
02:30But having said that,
02:32to say that this whole decision was settled by Imran Khan's government,
02:37there are big questions arising in this.
02:39And there is a reason for it.
02:41I used to repeatedly ask this question to the top military leaders when this issue arose.
02:47There used to be a question that a process was initiated.
02:50A conversation had started.
02:52But it was still in the preliminary stages.
02:55It was just the beginning.
02:56The agreement was yet to be made.
02:58The settlement was still on our end.
03:00And it is important to bring some facts of the case in front of you.
03:04When this suggestion came,
03:06and Imran Khan's government was looking at what should be done,
03:09this matter was first presented in front of the cabinet.
03:12That if the resettlement is done,
03:14and everything is filtered,
03:16then what do you think about it?
03:18By that time, we found out that
03:20only Murad Saeed opposed it in the cabinet.
03:23The rest of the people said that the matter should be discussed.
03:26When the matter was brought to the cabinet,
03:28they said that this matter should be brought to the Cabinet Committee on Defence.
03:35So that there is a broader discussion.
03:37Then there was a national security meeting.
03:39And you will remember that all the people gave speeches.
03:43Bilal Bhutto gave a speech.
03:45Shahid Khan Abbasi spoke.
03:48Khawaja Asif said.
03:50Shahbaz Sharif said.
03:51Everybody spoke their mind.
03:53And there was also a person who opposed it.
03:55His name was Mohsin Dawar.
03:56He was against all kinds of settlements.
03:59When there was a lot of debate there,
04:01this matter went back to the cabinet.
04:04And there was a lot of debate in the cabinet.
04:07And by the time the last information came,
04:09it was decided that it should be negotiated.
04:13And now it will be decided on what conditions people will come.
04:16At that time, it was the habit of the top three military.
04:19When I asked them repeatedly,
04:21we are hearing that 4000 or 5000 people have been resettled.
04:25They categorically said again and again that there is no such thing.
04:28There is a discussion.
04:30A plan is being made for a negotiated settlement.
04:33But no one came back.
04:35And one thing they said,
04:37when some people were resettled after Radd-ul-Fisar,
04:40they were resettled in a large number.
04:42They were displaced families.
04:45And they had a whole filtering process.
04:47In which military intelligence,
04:49civil intelligence, etc.
04:51did its filtering.
04:53And the mind does not even believe that
04:56the issue of national security,
04:58the issue of defense,
05:00on that, Imran Khan or any other civilian plan,
05:04can make such a big decision alone,
05:07that on one side there is a war going on,
05:09there are riots going on,
05:11and he picks up the civilian government,
05:13brings 5000 or 10,000 people and resettles them.
05:15Whatever happens,
05:17the people of defense,
05:19the leadership of the army,
05:21and the leadership of the top civil,
05:23they definitely need to be united.
05:25Otherwise, it cannot happen.
05:27It has not happened in 75 years, nor will it happen.
05:29At that time, someone shared with me,
05:31that when all these things happened,
05:33and the agreement was made on the process,
05:35then Hina Ribani Khan Sahiba also advised the army chief at that time,
05:41that you must have a civilian oversight over everything.
05:45There should be a civilian bureaucracy on it,
05:47there should be politicians,
05:49and all these things were decided.
05:51But, now we are being told,
05:53that thousands of people have come,
05:55and they are being resettled.
05:57Where are those people?
05:59We would like the government to tell us,
06:01so that we can also discuss this.
06:03This is a very serious subject.
06:05First of all, I would like to take this,
06:07in the first part of the program,
06:09we have been joined by Federal Minister,
06:11Dr. Musadeq Malik.
06:13Thank you very much, Mr. Musadeq.
06:15Former Federal Minister, Mr. Fawad Chaudhary has also joined us.
06:17And at that time,
06:19he was also the Information Minister in Imran Khan's government.
06:21So, let us first hear,
06:23what General Sharif has said,
06:27on this very issue,
06:29which is the issue of Taliban's resettlement.
06:53The so-called policy of resettlement,
06:55you and all of us,
06:57are suffering the consequences of it.
06:59And what is being repeated now,
07:01at least this point,
07:03makes it completely clear,
07:05that who was stubborn in 2021,
07:07to talk to them,
07:09and resettle them.
07:11This is a very serious issue.
07:13This is a very serious issue.
07:15This is a very serious issue.
07:17This is a very serious issue.
07:19This is a very serious issue.
07:21This is a very serious issue.
07:25Let us talk to the media,
07:27and hear their statement.
07:29She was also a former minister.
07:31Please tell them also.
07:35General Bajwa gave a suggestion,
07:37of our cabinet,
07:39and in that,
07:41cabinet members and
07:43elected representatives,
07:45of tribal areas,
07:47were also called.
07:49General Faiz was also there.
07:51So this discussion took place,
07:53and the decision was clear,
07:55that there will be no dialogue
07:57and resettlement,
07:59until there is a consensus,
08:01of the elected people,
08:03and the military.
08:05So a committee was formed.
08:07The members of that committee,
08:09were the MNAs of that area,
08:11and especially those,
08:13who tolerated terrorism,
08:15who suffered from terrorism.
08:17This committee was formed,
08:19and they had to make a consensus,
08:21that there may be dialogue,
08:23or resettlement,
08:25or not.
08:27After that,
08:29our government was removed,
08:31and this was a military policy suggestion,
08:33at that time also,
08:35on which we did not have any agreement,
08:37of the civilian government.
08:39Let me make it clear.
08:41After the committee was formed,
08:43there was a vote of no confidence.
08:45I have seen the statements of the PDM,
08:47of Mehmed Anas Nawla,
08:49and this proposal went there,
08:51and they started the dialogue.
08:53So I am giving this clarification again,
08:55about what was discussed,
08:57in our government,
08:59and how it moved forward.
09:03Yes Dr. Musade,
09:05let me start with you.
09:07Where there are issues of national security,
09:09Kashmir is our hostile frontier,
09:11Afghanistan unfortunately is our hostile frontier.
09:13No one can imagine,
09:15that without the intelligence,
09:17or the intelligence of the army,
09:19there are no ambassadors in these countries,
09:21without their clearance.
09:23So thousands of people will be brought back from there,
09:25by some civilian government.
09:27There is no evidence,
09:29no one talks,
09:31we hear thousands of things,
09:33where it is settled,
09:35where it is not settled,
09:37because this is a very serious allegation,
09:39which we are now washing with blood,
09:41they say that no one was brought back,
09:43the top of the former army leadership,
09:45at that time says,
09:47that no one was brought back,
09:49simply a preliminary agreement,
09:51things were settled on their side,
09:53now they had to negotiate,
09:55now things had to be settled,
09:57with Afghanistan and Taliban,
09:59and in their protection,
10:01all these Khawarji were sitting.
10:03So where are those people,
10:05if thousands of people have come,
10:07where are they?
10:09There are places where terrorism is happening,
10:11that is, you did Radd-ul-Fasad,
10:13you ran another campaign,
10:15billions of dollars were spent,
10:17not billions of rupees,
10:19billions of dollars were spent,
10:21on these two campaigns,
10:23Radd-ul-Fasad and Zarb-e-Azb,
10:25and after that,
10:27there was peace,
10:29that is, not only were they pushed out,
10:31and the terrorists were killed,
10:33but their sleeper cells,
10:35their supporters,
10:37and for many years,
10:39there was no incident of terrorism in the country.
10:41So this again,
10:43terrorism started to come,
10:45this was the result of someone
10:47coming back or
10:49becoming a sleeper cell again.
10:51This is the first point.
10:53The second point is,
10:55that if you have time,
10:57then do this,
10:59that my close friend of Chaudhary,
11:01Mustafa Khokhar,
11:03who was a senator with me,
11:05when we were sitting in the opposition,
11:07the senators of Balochistan
11:09and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
11:11used to come and cry every day,
11:13and they used to cry in front of us
11:15that they are bringing people back
11:17into the droves,
11:19the government's policy has changed.
11:21So then you do this,
11:23that the senators of that time,
11:25those who were related to Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
11:27and those who were related to Balochistan,
11:29call them, and ask them,
11:31instead of sitting and thinking,
11:33Mr. Mustafa,
11:35look,
11:37Dr. Mustafa,
11:39I don't want to talk in general terms,
11:41either you tell me,
11:43I am talking specifically.
11:45No, no, you tell us,
11:47which senators they are,
11:49so that we will ask them,
11:51we will call them.
11:53You do this,
11:55take Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar online right now,
11:57if you can,
11:59if he is available.
12:01We will try if we can get him.
12:03Yes, do it.
12:05Because I was there,
12:07in front of us,
12:09those people used to come and join hands
12:11and ask what are you doing,
12:13what is happening.
12:15But the real question is,
12:17any civilian government,
12:19the question is related.
12:21I am just relating that,
12:23if this has happened,
12:25is it possible
12:27that any government of Islamabad,
12:29can implement this on its own?
12:31This is a serious
12:33military, tactical
12:35and security national issue.
12:37If this had happened,
12:39then the civilian government could not have done it alone.
12:41It would have had its own military leadership.
12:43First,
12:45one thing is settled to some extent,
12:47that this may have happened.
12:49Because in the beginning I felt
12:51that this has not happened,
12:53especially after the clip
12:55of Dr. Sahiba.
12:57The second thing is,
12:59if this has happened,
13:01and you are saying that it cannot happen
13:03without the army,
13:05then why is there a fight
13:07with the army?
13:09This whole matter of General Faiz,
13:11when he was DGI,
13:13and you know that
13:15he was getting an idea
13:17from the army
13:19that a new DGI should be brought
13:21in his place,
13:23then why was there a fight?
13:25I don't have the details of this.
13:27But it is possible that
13:29the policy that you are talking about today,
13:31because of this kind of policy
13:33and its backfire,
13:35there may have been a discussion
13:37and thought that ISI,
13:39which commands all these things,
13:41which also looks at Pakistan's
13:43external matters,
13:45keeps a close eye,
13:47when this policy
13:49is going on in a special way,
13:51then it is possible that
13:53the administration wants this to stop.
13:55And it is possible that
13:57this has been requested for this reason.
13:59And it is possible that
14:01this has become the basis
14:03or one of the many bases
14:05because of which
14:07Khan Sahib started a fight
14:09with the Chief of the Army Staff.
14:11But the third important thing
14:13that I want to put in front of you
14:15is that even if you agree to all this,
14:17this General Bajwa
14:19that you have talked about in the beginning,
14:21then the question arises
14:23that when all these war Jews,
14:25whom we sometimes call terrorists,
14:27sometimes call jihadists,
14:29sometimes say something,
14:31sometimes say something,
14:33when in the 1990s
14:35Imran Khan Sahib was writing articles
14:37in his support,
14:39in the 1990s,
14:41he had written the first set of articles,
14:43even then General Bajwa was getting them written.
14:45Even then General Bajwa was present.
14:47When Imran Khan Sahib said
14:49that Khyber Pakhtunkhwa should be opened,
14:51even then General Bajwa was present.
14:53When he announced this,
14:55so Khan Sahib's romance
14:57and what Khan Sahib has always said,
14:59we who know the terrorists of APS,
15:01we know that
15:03they killed our children,
15:05they martyred them,
15:07we know that
15:09they put phosphorus on
15:11the teachers of our school
15:13who are like your cousin,
15:15like my cousin,
15:17they put phosphorus on them
15:19and set them on fire,
15:21we considered them terrorists.
15:23And later statements came from the government
15:25that this is a part of our social fabric,
15:27this is a part of our culture,
15:29this is a part of our culture,
15:31which is our culture
15:33in which we martyr our own children?
15:35Which is our culture
15:37in which we put phosphorus on our brothers
15:39and set them on fire?
15:41Let me get Fawad Chaudhry
15:43into the conversation.
15:45You were a federal minister
15:47and you were a confidant
15:49of Imran Khan Sahib,
15:51you were a part of all the big decisions.
15:53How true was this
15:55that you people
15:57not thousands but hundreds of people
15:59resettled
16:01and on your own,
16:03and this was purely Islamabad's own initiative
16:05that's why all the responsibility
16:07comes to you people.
16:09And from the death cell,
16:11I apologize,
16:13I apologize,
16:15I apologize,
16:17I apologize,
16:19I apologize,
16:21I apologize,
16:23I apologize,
16:25I apologize,
16:27I apologize,
16:29I apologize,
16:31I apologize,
16:33I apologize,
16:35I apologize,
16:37I apologize,
16:39I apologize,
16:41I apologize,
16:43I apologize,
16:45I apologize,
16:47I apologize,
16:49I apologize.
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