"Agar Govt Mein Itni Himmat Hai Tu...", Hafiz Hamdullah's Big Statement
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00:00Okay, let's do it. If the government has the guts, let's do it.
00:05Let's do it.
00:07But the decision has to be made in the ground, in the parliament, in the court.
00:10But the decision has to be made in the ground, in the parliament, in the court.
00:12But he is saying, he has said it again, that this problem will be solved.
00:16Maybe it should be presented in a joint session.
00:18If the president is not signing it, then maybe he will find a way.
00:21Look sister, listen to me. It will be done.
00:25I don't talk about it being done.
00:27I said, whatever happened, why did it happen?
00:30Why did you do it?
00:32And then you also said, that you should go and sit with the Ulema,
00:36the same ministers who voted for this bill,
00:39the same ministers who voted for the Madaris Bill with the 24th Ayn-e-Tarwim,
00:43in which Taral, in which Chaudhry Salik, in which MQM's Khalid Maqbool,
00:48all three of them were speaking the same language that the Ulema were speaking.
00:53The Ulema have their own position, we will not object to that.
00:56But in 2019, everyone's consensus was passed.
00:59Even Mr. Usmani has a signature on it.
01:01It was passed only after everyone's consensus in 2019.
01:04So the government, how can the government do this?
01:11That they sit with me and make decisions,
01:13they make decisions from the parliament,
01:15and they also get votes from the parliament.
01:17And then there, an opposing voice is also being promoted.
01:21And they say, why? We are not making any wrong statements.
01:24Then what is this? This is not hypocrisy, then what is this?
01:27And you talked about 2019.
01:29But in 2019, whatever happened,
01:32the agreement was made, but there was no law.
01:34There was no act.
01:35There was only a memorandum on a white paper,
01:38and an agreement was made.
01:39But the question you ask is,
01:41that from 2019 to 2030,
01:44what was being presented in the bill,
01:46till the 26th Ayn-e-Tarwim,
01:49these Ulema were screaming, they were crying,
01:51they were not being given registration.
01:53Under the same condition,
01:55bank accounts were to be opened.
01:57Not even a bank account of a Madrasa was opened.
02:00In fact, the old ones were also closed.
02:02The students who came from Beirut to study,
02:05not even a single student was given visa.
02:07Those students who belong to the association of schools,
02:11Murana Taqi Usmani Sahib, Mufti Munibur Rahman Sahib,
02:14about whom Murana Fazlur Rahman Sahib is talking.
02:16Then you tell me,
02:18and what was the biggest loss that the government made at that time?
02:22The five alliances of this association of schools,
02:26in comparison to this,
02:27they have made more alliances.
02:28But Hafiz Sahib, what we are seeing,
02:30you are on one side,
02:32the rest of the Ulema are on the other side.
02:34Politically, at this point,
02:36you seem to be alone.
02:38No, no, listen to me.
02:39The government has shown him all its numbers.
02:41No, no, listen to me.
02:42They talk about 10-15,
02:44that 10-15,
02:45okay, let's set up a field.
02:47If the government has the courage,
02:49let's set up a field.
02:51Let's set up a field,
02:52let's set up a horse,
02:53let's talk about it.
02:54No, the decision has to be made in the field,
02:55in the parliament, in the court.
02:56I am not saying that the parliament has made the decision.
02:58I am not talking about the field.
03:00I am talking about the discussion,
03:01I am talking about the negotiations,
03:03I am talking about the decision of the parliament.
03:05When something was happening in 2023,
03:07why was everyone silent?
03:09This 26th amendment was going on for a month,
03:12then everything was passed,
03:13why were they silent?
03:14How did it come up all of a sudden?
03:16Who voted?
03:17And the government sat here with us,
03:19made all the decisions,
03:20voted in the parliament,
03:22and then sat there.
03:24What is this?
03:25This is not democracy, what else is it?
03:26Which means that the government itself wants
03:28the scholars to fight among themselves.
03:30But we don't fight with each other.
03:32Now you tell me,
03:33the society act of 1860,
03:36they say,
03:37in this,
03:38fine art is registered.
03:41So what is Madrasat-e-Islam-Sindh?
03:43This is also the institution of fine art.
03:45What is Beacon School?
03:47What is City Schools?
03:49And what is Khidmat Foundation Trust?
03:52Ghazali Education System?
03:54Allama Iqbal Open University?
03:56Are these all institutions of fine art?
03:59Or are these educational institutions?
04:01All these educational institutions,
04:02under the 1860 Act,
04:03have all been registered.
04:05So if religious schools are going to be under it,
04:08then what is your objection?
04:10Yes, if I am coming under the Ministry of Education,
04:14then you are not objecting,
04:15nor is the FATF objecting.
04:17But when I have been going on for 77 years,
04:22the FATF is also objecting,
04:24as you say,
04:25and you are also objecting.
04:26But come on,
04:27object me.
04:28The real institutions,
04:29Allama Iqbal Open University,
04:31Beacon Schools,
04:32City Schools,
04:33Ghazali Schools,
04:34why are you objecting them?
04:35But Nagraj sahab,
04:36in the group of scholars,
04:37you are in the minority,
04:38obviously it is visible.
04:39Because everyone else,
04:40has consensus on the 2019 agreement,
04:42signature on it.
04:43Listen to me, Maria.
04:44Listen to me.
04:45Don't get me involved in this,
04:48that I am in the minority,
04:50and they are in the majority.
04:51No, they are against you.
04:52They all think that they are doing the right thing.
04:55I will not go into that.
04:56I am talking about the government.
04:57Okay.
04:58Undoubtedly,
04:59those schools,
05:00under the Ministry of Education,
05:01if they want to stay,
05:02then congratulations to them.
05:03But what I am saying is,
05:05if the Parliament is supreme,
05:07Aiwan-e-Zeeni and Aiwan-e-Bala,
05:09Okay.
05:10the solution is illegal.
05:11If there is trust and perseverance
05:14between the politicians,
05:16belief,
05:17trust,
05:18speech,
05:19agreement,
05:20a strict and lawful decision,
05:22then why is it not being acted upon.
05:24Why are they opposed to it?
05:25The Toyota R said that this is a legal
05:28and an actionable matter.
05:29We have not passed this legislation
05:30with our sticks,
05:31we've carried out this
05:32through laws and through parliament.
05:33Do you want to join the
05:34Parliaments of the Ministry of Education?
05:36because you will pass laws
05:37first through Department of tough countries',
05:38so you need to join them
05:39You are talking about devaluation.
05:42That all these things were dual.
05:44They were transferred after the 18th amendment.
05:47So this question that is being asked today,
05:49why is it not being asked on that day?
05:51This is one thing.
05:52The second thing is, tell me,
05:55whose problem is Amnauman?
05:57Is it a provincial matter or a federal matter?
05:59Both.
06:00No, no, no, no.
06:01I am talking about the 18th amendment.
06:03Provincial.
06:04Provincial.
06:05Where are the laws being made?
06:06The ones that were made in the 1997 Incident of Terrorism Act,
06:11where were they made?
06:12They were made here.
06:13Why were they made?
06:15Even though they are limited to Vifaq,
06:17but you are operating in Baluchistan.
06:19You are operating in Khyber Pashton Khwa.
06:20You are operating in Waziristan.
06:22You are waking people up for 3 months, 6 months.
06:24Under this law.
06:26So if you say it like this,
06:29Rohiti Hilal Committee.
06:30It is a good thing, but Kamran Murtaza was with you,
06:33who is a very skilled lawyer.
06:35The technical legal issues that are coming up,
06:37did you not smoothen them?
06:39Did you not sort out them?
06:40Did you not pre-empt them?
06:42Did you not think that these issues will come up technically?
06:44Do you have any legal weakness?
06:47No, no, no.
06:48I am saying this.
06:49I am saying this.
06:50It is not about my lawyer.
06:53Sir, it is about him too.
06:54It is about both sides.
06:55You will say, how will this happen?
06:56How will this happen?
06:57How will this happen?
06:58But my lawyer did not raise the issue.
07:00The government has raised the issue.
07:02The government parties have raised the issue.
07:04I am asking them,
07:05why did you not raise the issue at that time?
07:08When the law was made.
07:09When the law was made.
07:10In fact, some experts say that the law has been made.
07:14So when it has been made,
07:15after that when will you talk about it?
07:17So in this, the government should cooperate with me.
07:20When you passed from Srinagar to Ayodhya,
07:23then you will have to cooperate with me in Punjab too.
07:25You will have to cooperate with me in Sindh too.
07:28You will have to cooperate with me in Balochistan too.
07:30And in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa too.
07:31Thank you very much, Mr. Abdullah.
07:33Thank you very much, Mr. Abdullah.