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00:00Tomorrow, the decision will be taken by the biggest court in Pakistan, and the Chief Justice of Pakistan is also a part of that bench.
00:05But today, once again, Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf has considered it appropriate to repeat that claim,
00:10that the Chief Justice of Pakistan, Qazi Faiz-e-Ishaa, should be separated from all of us.
00:16The Secretary of Information, Mr. Rauf Hassan, who is also our guest today,
00:21has today, in these words, repeated his claim.
00:26They should not be a part of any of the benches.
00:28Begum Issa had written a letter to Mr. Khan, in which she had said that Mr. Khan should stop capitalizing on the state of Madinah.
00:36So, due to these reasons, Mr. Khan was forced to address Qazi Faiz-e-Ishaa in writing.
00:41The courts of Pakistan are being used.
00:43Qazi Faiz-e-Ishaa and Amir Farooq are two of his major instruments.
00:47So, Mr. Rauf Khan is with us, Mr. Rauf Hassan, the Secretary General of Pakistan, Mr. Tariq-e-Insaf.
00:52Huzoor, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
00:53Wa-Alaikum-o-Alaikum, Mr. Wasim, how are you?
00:56Alhamdulillah, thank you very much for your time. I hope your health is good.
01:00Always a pleasure, sir. Thank you very much.
01:02Thank you, sir. Pleasure is all mine, sir. Thank you so much.
01:04Sir, tell me, the decision to come tomorrow,
01:07you have taken this position for some time, which you have repeated,
01:10but the decision to come tomorrow, and today you are repeating it,
01:13so my immediate question is, what do you have to say about the health of the decision to come tomorrow?
01:18I mean, if the decision to come tomorrow comes into effect,
01:22will you accept it or not?
01:23Or will you say, we have already said that Mr. Qazi Faiz-e-Ishaa should step down?
01:27Before any other question, tell me, what do you have to say about the health of the decision to come tomorrow?
01:32Thank you, Mr. Wasim.
01:34Look, the decision to come tomorrow, the hearing is now over.
01:38And whatever decision comes in that,
01:40we will have to accept it as the decision of the court.
01:44Obviously, if we have any other legal recourse after that,
01:49legal options will be available,
01:51then we will exercise all of them.
01:53But this thing, if you allow me, I will talk about it,
01:57that for a long time, there has been a very growing feeling in the party.
02:02Okay, sir, talk about this.
02:03First, I will ask a simple question about the decision to come tomorrow.
02:05Do you expect justice, or do you have your doubts about tomorrow's decision?
02:11Our court, as such, you know, we have no doubts about its composition.
02:18We only talk about the personality of Chief Justice.
02:21And we have repeatedly requested him.
02:24And now, in writing, we have come to him,
02:26that he should free himself from the cases of Mr. Khan.
02:31And in this regard, I have also told in a very detailed press conference today,
02:35that I have also told Justice Gulzar's case number about four years ago.
02:39He had a five-member bench of the Supreme Court,
02:42in which he had decided that Qazi Faiz Issa Sahib,
02:46who was the judge of the Supreme Court at that time,
02:49would not be a member of the bench in any cases related to Mr. Khan.
02:55Okay, this decision is still present.
02:58No reference has been filed about it,
03:01or no appeal has been made on it.
03:04Consequently, the Supreme Court's decision is still present today.
03:07And I think it is incumbent upon all the judges
03:10to respect it and comply with it.
03:14And the Chief Justice, in the process,
03:18should free himself from Imran Khan's cases.
03:22Okay, so, sir, I want you to tell us about Mr. Faiz Issa Sahib.
03:26And while adding to this,
03:28you were mentioned in the biggest court in Pakistan.
03:32I don't know if I should call it a mention, but you were mentioned.
03:35Let me go to the cinema first, and then I will talk to you about it.
03:38Please show us what words you have mentioned.
03:40In his first answer, Mr. Mahbubullah said,
03:42other people are doing it, but you are not doing anything against them.
03:45What are you doing?
03:46I think it was Mr. Rauf Hassan who did it.
03:48Who is Rauf Hassan?
03:49I believe he belongs to PTI.
03:52Who were you talking about?
03:53One was about you, and the other was about the Chief Justice of Islamabad High Court.
03:56Is he the brother of Fouad Hassan?
03:58I believe yes.
03:59Okay, he said these words when we gave a lot of relief to Mr. Fouad Hassan.
04:04Did he feel bad that his brother was given relief?
04:07It is possible that he felt bad that his brother was given relief.
04:11We were taught the same thing in our childhood.
04:13We used to complain.
04:14There was no need for such abuse in our time.
04:16I used such bad words.
04:18I used to tell my parents,
04:19he said, go and tell him.
04:21Whatever he says, happens.
04:23Sir, we talked about your respected brother.
04:26Since this is a personal matter,
04:27only if you want to comment, you can comment.
04:29I don't ask questions.
04:31My question is,
04:32it is said from the front that when you criticize in these words,
04:36one is that the judge is being threatened,
04:40there is no justification for that.
04:42There is no comparison to that.
04:43That is a different matter.
04:44But when it comes to criticism,
04:46the people of the government also criticize some judges,
04:48you also criticize.
04:49So the question is,
04:51how is your criticism justified,
04:54when you also come on television and say about the biggest judge,
04:57that this man is a tout.
04:58Isn't this also an insult, criticism and humiliation?
05:03Listen to my press conference today.
05:06We have requested Qazi Faiz Isa to leave the case.
05:11Listen to the entire conference.
05:13That is past history.
05:16I don't think there is any point in breaking it up.
05:19The Chief Justice who said something about me,
05:24he said that my brother has been given relief.
05:27I did talk about it.
05:29We thought that whatever the Supreme Court decides,
05:32it is according to the requirements of the law.
05:35So the answer to relief does not come in it.
05:37Relief happens when a person does not deserve it,
05:41but something is given to him.
05:43So I did raise a question on it, Mr. Badami.
05:46But look at today's press conference.
05:48Look at my press conference three or four days ago.
05:51We have been talking about judiciary.
05:53Can we sum up the word tout in such a way that you are not proud of those words?
05:57It happened in the heat of the moment, but you are not proud of it.
05:59That is all gone in the past.
06:01I don't want to make it up again.
06:03I think it is better to forget it.
06:05We respect judiciary.
06:07Read my articles.
06:08We are very happy that fresh air is coming from the judiciary.
06:13My conviction is that the most important pillar of the state,
06:18even ahead of the legislature,
06:20is the judiciary.
06:22If the judiciary does justice, the state will move forward.
06:25Every state is based on the requirements of justice.
06:29If justice is delivered, the state will progress.
06:31If justice is not delivered, the state will not progress.
06:34Legislature also comes after the judiciary in my own appraisal.
06:40And sir, let me ask a related question.
06:42Although it is related to the past, then we will talk about the future.
06:45Do you also think that it was not a very good decision
06:50on the part of the previous government, when Mr. Khan was the Prime Minister?
06:52And this is not an accusation.
06:54He himself has accepted it on record.
06:56That at the behest of the most important people of the establishment at that time,
06:59a reference was filed against a judge of the Supreme Court.
07:01Although he is being avenged,
07:03it is not a good thing.
07:04I am not justifying that.
07:05But that too was not a good decision by the government.
07:09And such a way should also end.
07:11Look, Mr. Badami, if you have seen my press conference today,
07:15there are 7 or 8 reasons on the basis of which we have requested the Chief Justice to recuse himself.
07:21One of the reasons we have cited is that
07:24because a reference was filed against him during our government,
07:29which was targeted with special criticism,
07:32so we feel that maybe he is a victim of bias because of that.
07:36And this is a very natural thing.
07:38This is a human thing.
07:41I am not specifically criticizing him on this.
07:46But I am just saying that since this is a fact,
07:49that a reference was filed against him during our government,
07:52it would be better if he does not listen to Imran Khan's cases.
07:56To the second part of your question,
07:58Mr. Badami, a lot of things have happened that should not have happened.
08:01I speak very straight.
08:03And I think this was also one of those things that should not have happened.
08:07Absolutely right.
08:09And sir, is it possible that you have requested the Chief Justice to recuse himself from your cases?
08:17Is it also possible that if there is no hearing on this,
08:21then PTI may stop appearing before him?
08:24Is that also a possibility?
08:26Look, this possibility is there,
08:29but our legal team and Mr. Khan will decide on this.
08:32Mr. Khan will tell us what to do.
08:34If we do not get justice,
08:36and if this conviction is further strengthened,
08:39then what we have to do,
08:41what will be its reaction, what will be the response,
08:43that will be decided by our legal team and Mr. Khan,
08:46and it will move forward accordingly.
08:48And sir, has the legal team decided anything in the light of Mr. Khan's instructions
08:53regarding the reference filed by Amir Farooq of Islamabad High Court?
08:58Yes, work is being done on it.
09:01I think the decision will be made in a couple of days,
09:04and the process will be moved forward.
09:07So, it would be right to assume that the paperwork and other requirements are being fulfilled,
09:13but these cases are moving towards a reference?
09:16It can go. I will say this correctly, it can go.
09:20Okay, so the final decision has not yet been made in this regard?
09:23Yes, the decision has been made, but I will still say that it can go.
09:30Okay, fine.
09:32Now, let us make our assumption in the light of your words,
09:35that what is meant by this.