"Por suerte las estadísticas de accidentes son muy bajas", señaló el expresidente de la Sociedad Argentina de Aviación.
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00:00Quickly we are going to Carlos, wait for me Diego, because we are going to add to Carlos Lupiáñez who is a former president of the Argentine Aviation Society.
00:09Hello Carlos, brutal all this, right?
00:12Yes, the truth is a shame, a terrible accident.
00:16What do you have to say about a plane of this size?
00:20Nothing, as you were telling, we have to wait now for the work of the Accident Investigation Board
00:27and they will tell us with all the information and all the interviews that are done,
00:33what were the reasons for this to happen.
00:36Can the brakes fail a plane of this magnitude?
00:41The brakes could fail, that is, the causes that can happen are a lot,
00:47that is why at this moment we try to keep quiet and wait for the board to do its job
00:55so that in this way we know what happened.
00:58They are in charge of analyzing the famous black box, the copy record,
01:06see the videos that are circulating and based on all that,
01:10build a real and concrete hypothesis of what happened.
01:13Carlos, good afternoon.
01:15In aviation accident statistics, what percentage corresponds to technical issues,
01:22what percentage corresponds to errors of the pilots, to weather issues?
01:30First and foremost, thank God, the statistics are very low.
01:36Thank God, a lot of work is done both in technical training
01:40and what we call non-technical training of the crews,
01:44which is all the work of human factors, CRM, SMS,
01:50the different acronyms we use, which is the work of the team,
01:53because you always have to remember that in the cabin there are two pilots and the work is in conjunction.
01:59So we not only receive technical training, which is simulator, training,
02:05flights with other pilots, different types of situations,
02:09but we also receive non-technical training.
02:12Thank God, the conditions are minimal
02:16and this is a regrettable accident that is being investigated
02:20and will be investigated to know the causes
02:23and in the future reduce the chances that something similar will happen again.
02:28Carlos, what happens when a pilot has a short runway?
02:31Can the plane go back up?
02:34You have to be in that moment, but one of the alternatives is to do what we consider or call the escape.
02:41If I see that the conditions are not good, I give power and I go out.
02:46If I see that the runway is getting short, I give power and I go out.
02:50And what do you see in the video? Can I show you the video? Did you see the video?
02:55Yes, I saw the video.
02:57What do you see in the video? With honesty, what do you see?
03:00No, no, the only thing you see is that the plane enters a little faster than usual.
03:06Now we will have to analyze and evaluate and see why this is generated.
03:14Carlos, is there a possibility that the commander aimed at the street so as not to hit the houses?
03:22I don't know how to tell you, but everything would indicate that by the footprints, how they are turning.
03:29One of the possibilities is that.
03:32And I ask you now, Carlos, about the plane, because you know that unfortunately in these tragedies we end up learning,
03:43knowing a little more, knowing that it is the safest way to transport the plane, there is no doubt.
03:50But in these tragedies we end up learning.
03:53What characteristics does this plane have? How many seats does this plane have?
03:57This is a corporate, executive plane.
04:00They are planes that if they were to be used in an airline, would carry 20 or 30 people.
04:06Ah, a big plane.
04:08Yes, it is a big plane, but generally it has configurations of no more than 8 or 10 seats.
04:15What autonomy does it have?
04:18It had a lot of autonomy, I don't remember exactly, but it is a plane that can surely go to the United States with a single scale.
04:27It makes a scale and continues to the United States.
04:30Ah, so it's a plane ...
04:31Yes, it is a plane of more than 2,000 kilometers.
04:33Of course, it is a plane of more than 2,000 kilometers.
04:35Carlos, did you know the pilots?
04:38Yes, yes, yes.
04:40We understand, tell us, that they were pilots with experience, who had worked in airlines.
04:47With a lot of experience, complying with the training that sets the standard.
04:52Martin, the commander, had been flying for the company for many years, so yes.
04:58Apart from that, they were people of trust.
05:00Yes, people of trust in the Brito family, and I understand that it was a routine route for them.
05:06Yes, yes, yes, the flight to Punta del Este, and even closer to the holiday season,
05:12is one of the most common flights of corporate aviation or general aviation.
05:17Carlos, today there was no, I ask out of ignorance, but from what one sees, no climatological complication.
05:24Apparently not.
05:25No.
05:26No.
05:27Good, good.
05:29And the aviation board can determine if there was any anomaly in the brakes?
05:37I don't know if this plane has flaps.
05:40Yes, yes, yes, the board will determine it perfectly.
05:44That's why we try not to say, not to speak, we try not to issue an opinion, not to say anything,
05:57until the board dictates, because the board is very professional, and they have all the means.
06:03They will listen to what is called the copy voice recorder, which is the recording of what happens in the cabin,
06:09the pilots' voices, and they will recover the famous black box, which is the, let's say, the flight data recorder,
06:18which will give you all the information, let's say, of the data of the plane, to have all the exact technical situation.
06:28Carlos, how long does this work of the experts take?
06:32Normally the board will issue a preliminary report from here to 30, 45 days at most.
06:3830, 45 days.
06:40And then it will be a final report, which is the one that we actually expect, the pilots and the users, with the results of all the research.
06:50Who is part of the board? Is it a already established, fixed board?
06:56Yes, the board used to be the Aviation Accident Investigation Board,
07:00currently it is called the Transportation Security Board, and it is integrated by technical people and operational people.
07:07The technical people are usually mechanics or aviation mechanics, and the operational people are usually pilots or ex-pilots.
07:17The last one, this will be for later, but clearly the San Fernando airport has been operating for many years,
07:26and it is the first time that one sees an accident of this magnitude.
07:30Is it advisable to have airports with civilian areas, with houses, so close?
07:38Yes, as you say, the airport, if one investigates, is much earlier than the cities.
07:45Unfortunately, the cities are getting much closer to the airports, but this does not degrade the airport's security.
07:53Is it counterfactual to think that if it was an accident, this would happen?
07:57No, no, that's what I'm getting at. We are governed by the lengths and conditions of the runways,
08:04and an airplane cannot operate if the safety margins on the runway are not given correctly.
08:11Well, Carlos, thank you for this contact with A24, it has been very clear.
08:16Carlos Lupiañez, ex-president of the Argentine Aviation Society.
08:22While we are watching, this type of airplane is impressive, isn't it?
08:26One starts to think, it is luxurious, beautiful, comfortable, of the latest generation.
08:32It is a plane from 2008, which means that it is extremely new for the Argentine fleets.
08:41What do you think?
08:43Let's see, there you have it, Arroyo Salgado, observing the fuselage of the plane.
08:48Let's see, this situation must be investigated.
08:51Yes, of course.
08:52It must be investigated.
08:54Jorge Brito's father also died in a plane crash with a helicopter, in Salta, do you remember?
09:00I mean, this must be investigated, what happened here.
09:04Yes, of course.
09:05That's why the Federal Judiciary must investigate all kinds of situations here.
09:08Yes, of course.
09:09That's why the investigation, that's why the importance of the Accident Board.