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00:00In your personal opinion, Rauf Hassan has said 50-50.
00:05In your opinion, what is the percentage of success of these negotiations,
00:09looking at the ground reality?
00:13There is no 50-50 or 100% right or 100% left.
00:21The reason for this is that I am very clear, Mr. Mohammad Malik,
00:24that there is a pressure from the international powers.
00:28I am very clear that the international powers,
00:32in accordance with their needs and for their purposes,
00:36support the international establishment in the world,
00:40to contact people or to stand up for people,
00:46to stand up for a state, or to stand up for a personality,
00:50to stand up for a community,
00:52is not possible without their own benefit.
00:55Now, the question is, what can the person in Adiala Jail give them?
01:01And what is their demand?
01:03The thing is, there is no demand between us and you.
01:07We have a demand.
01:09It is according to the law, that if the legal institutions are working,
01:13and there is something called law in Pakistan,
01:17then if a decision of 190 million pounds was to be made today,
01:21then if it has been taken forward for some reason,
01:25which Rauf Hassan or the rest of the people are saying,
01:28then it is very strange and I am very disappointed.
01:30So, what are you saying?
01:32You are saying that your Prime Minister has cracked under the pressure
01:39and is forced to do these negotiations,
01:42even though he thinks that these negotiations should not take place,
01:44and Imran Khan is not right for the country,
01:46everything is there,
01:48and he has cracked for himself to save his government?
01:52And he has sat down for negotiations?
01:54No, Mr. Mohammad Malik.
01:56No, no, Mr. Mohammad Malik.
01:58I am very sorry, you are being unfair.
02:00Sir, I have a question.
02:01You also have knowledge.
02:03If you have a question,
02:05then I have already answered this question 2-4 times in your program.
02:11If you remove the election of 2018 and 2024,
02:18then you come to the election of 2013,
02:20or the election of 1993,
02:22or the election of 1997,
02:24or the election of 1990,
02:26which in my mind,
02:28a political party won the election,
02:30and the people who voted,
02:32they are less criticized,
02:34not much criticized.
02:36That is why I am saying this.
02:39Those communities or their leadership
02:41have the courage to clash with the world powers
02:43for the benefit of their state.
02:45Now come,
02:47this government,
02:49you yourself are saying that
02:51your lifeline is such a thing
02:53or such a base,
02:55then tell me
02:57that this threat,
02:59according to Rauf Hassan,
03:01that he is saying that
03:03this is a threat,
03:05that this is a threat,
03:07that he is saying
03:09that our Mazaakarats
03:11are from the establishment,
03:13this is a bad name,
03:15the government is standing,
03:17then if there is pressure
03:19of the world powers,
03:21then the real power
03:23will be according to Rauf Hassan,
03:25or the dummy,
03:27according to you,
03:29or according to Rauf Hassan,
03:31that he is standing,
03:33will come to him.
03:35I am stating the reality
03:37and the 90% portion is...
03:39I want to take a break,
03:41but before the break,
03:43I have a question.
03:45As you said,
03:47the question has been raised
03:49whether this Mazaakarati committee
03:51is completely in power,
03:53the real power is with Imran Khan.
03:55My question to you is,
03:57the government that you have
03:59sitting as a negotiating committee,
04:01is the government and this committee
04:03able to take a decision
04:05sitting with the PTI?
04:07Look,
04:09Mohammad Malik Sahib,
04:11neither the government
04:13of the time,
04:15the committee made
04:17is in power
04:19with respect to 9th, 10th May
04:21or 190 million pounds,
04:23nor the PTI
04:25committee
04:27is in power,
04:29because Imran Khan
04:31will not agree
04:33with his decision.
04:35So you are saying
04:37that the critical issues,
04:39if the government is in power
04:41and is not able to
04:43take a decision,
04:45then these are non-starter negotiations.
04:47Then it seems
04:49that these are
04:51non-starters.
04:53No, look,
04:55Mohammad Malik Sahib,
04:57you are a senior
04:59and you have
05:01been through a lot.
05:03Tell me,
05:05can the government committee
05:07take a decision of 190 million pounds?
05:09Can the government committee
05:11leave the mastermind
05:13of 9th, 10th May,
05:15the planning committee
05:17of the time?
05:19And then,
05:21if both the things cannot be done,
05:23then the PTI committee
05:25or Imran Khan,
05:27how will Imran Khan
05:29accept his decision
05:31without his consent?
05:33He had two governments.
05:35I am being asked about the break.
05:37I have two very sensitive questions.
05:39Please stay with us after the break.