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00:00Is it true that the house arrest of Mr. Khan is on the cards?
00:05Is it true that the rest of the party convinced Mr. Khan to veto this proposal?
00:13This proposal came on 22nd November.
00:17In fact, let me tell you, Governor Rao's hearing had started in Natia Gali.
00:22And in those negotiations, the negotiations between 22nd November and 25th November,
00:27it was decided that Mr. Khan will be released by the middle of December.
00:32So, if anyone wants to convince us that Mr. Khan is the house arrestor,
00:37even Mr. Khan will not agree because of his 500 days of worship,
00:43which he spent in jail and imprisonment.
00:46And now if he comes back to the house, or if he is imprisoned somewhere,
00:51and gives the impression to the public that as a result of this deal,
00:54someone has been shifted to a better jail, then this is not a gain for us.
00:58So, what will be the basis of this?
01:01All the cases against Mr. Khan, the results of all those have been revealed.
01:06There is one Al-Qaeda Trust case.
01:09Everyone knows what are the limits of that case in the eyes of the law.
01:14If there is justice, then there is no other hurdle in the release of Mr. Khan.
01:19So, if we keep Mr. Khan in jail, what else is there to achieve?
01:24If we keep him in jail, then the mandate was stolen, the elections were stolen,
01:29the constitution was amended, the 26th constitution was amended,
01:33and whatever the system wanted to do with BDI, it did.
01:37Now, they have achieved this, they have taken over the government,
01:42but they have also incurred losses.
01:45So, where has the politics of Mr. Mian Nawaz Sharif and Mr. Zardari gone?
01:51Have you seen in a single year that anyone has been able to hold a single Jalsa?
01:55Even today, we say that they should hold a Jalsa somewhere.
01:59The people of Pakistan…
02:01They did it yesterday in Naudero, right?
02:04Yes.
02:05The People's Party does it every year on 27th.
02:07No, that was a grand Jalsa.
02:08Respected Benazir Bhutto's…
02:10They have a voter base, if they want to mobilise it, they can do it in their areas.
02:14They have done it in Sindh, but you are right,
02:17they have lost a lot politically in the system.
02:21There is no doubt about it.
02:22PMLN has lost a lot.
02:24So, the negotiations that are taking place right now,
02:26the time frame of 31st January,
02:28do you think that there will be a major development during this time,
02:31or will it be a slow process?
02:35Rana Sanamullah has said a very good thing,
02:38that the intentions of the people,
02:41that is, the intentions of the negotiating teams are very strong.
02:44If our intention is to get the people out of this dilemma,
02:48this uncertain situation,
02:52then there will be no hindrance.
02:55So, what is the intention right now?
02:57At the moment, my personal opinion is that
03:02I think that these negotiations will be successful.
03:06Will they be successful?
03:07Why? Is there anything special that you feel this time?
03:09Because the negotiations before 26th January were not successful.
03:12Then the unfortunate incident of 26th November took place.
03:14Even then the negotiations were taking place, but they were not successful.
03:16How will they be successful this time? What is the difference?
03:19Look, at that time, both sides protested.
03:22Okay.
03:23Right?
03:24We should have stopped before 26th November.
03:30If we do not stop now,
03:31then we should not make Tadhi Chowk a place of death.
03:34So, what has happened is that
03:37the people are paying the price, Pakistan is paying the price.
03:40Look, at the incident of 26th November,
03:42the international community,
03:44which has spread all over Pakistan,
03:48who is firing at the people?
03:50For no reason.
03:51You are also a Chowki.
03:52Are you a Chowkidari of the Khilafat-e-Kaaba?
03:54What is the difference now?
03:55Why do you feel that the negotiations will be successful now?
03:57Is there any special facilitation?
03:59As I was listening to you, you talked about it.
04:01Are there any special guarantors?
04:03Are there any special mediators?
04:05Are there any people who will sit and talk?
04:07Both of us need these guarantors.
04:09They need them,
04:11the system needs them,
04:13the establishment needs them,
04:15and the PMLN and all its allies need them too.
04:19They want, as Mr. Rana said,
04:22to let us govern.
04:24And this is not being governed.
04:26If you look at the media,
04:29or if you look at your sector,
04:32your industry,
04:33or if you look at politics,
04:35economy, real estate,
04:37sometimes there is an end to it.
04:40There is uncertainty everywhere.
04:42People don't know this.
04:44Did we ever think that
04:46someone would shoot the Pakistanis at UD Chowk?
04:48We never thought that.
04:50Did we ever think that
04:51the mandate would be stolen on 9th February?
04:53Anyway, what has happened,
04:55both sides are paying the price.
04:57Our leadership is locked up in jail.
05:00We can't go back.
05:02We can't go inside Pakistan.
05:04And wherever we go,
05:06the police, the Al-Qa'ar,
05:08and the daily press.
05:10So how is the intention right?
05:12When on the one hand,
05:13the military courts are given the right punishments,
05:15making a judicial commission is the PM's left-hand game.
05:18The temperature will come down
05:19if they make a judicial commission.
05:21Have you seen any practical steps
05:23to make a judicial commission?
05:25This is what I see.
05:27There will be stages.
05:29On the first stage,
05:31the political prisoners will be released.
05:33If they are released,
05:35then on the second stage,
05:37if there are negotiations,
05:39then the participants for the negotiations
05:41that Khawaja Saad Rafiq has mentioned,
05:43will be required on the second stage.
05:45Because this will be Pakistan's
05:47number one leadership
05:49who will sit with the establishment
05:51and decide whether
05:53the country should be run like this
05:55or we have to
05:57implement the law,
05:59the fundamental human rights,
06:01the dream of democracy,
06:03a bright future,
06:05a Pakistani who is running away
06:07from the country.
06:09This has to be addressed.
06:11So on the second stage,
06:13Mr. Khan and all of them
06:15can sit at the table and make
06:17a road for Pakistan.
06:19The political prisoners
06:21will give you a political space
06:23so that you can come
06:25and give them a more
06:27difficult time politically.
06:29If there is an understanding
06:31developed, then we have to
06:33think for Pakistan too.
06:35If we get the understanding
06:37that all of us are thinking
06:39for Pakistan,
06:41if we had the power,
06:43we would have formed
06:45an alliance with the People's Party
06:47What will be left of the PTI's statements?
06:49If you step back a little,
06:51if you allow the government to govern,
06:53then all your statements are
06:55that your mandate has been stolen.
06:57I agree with this.
06:59But if you take a step back,
07:01won't you have a political loss?
07:03For example, what is the loss?
07:05Politically, at the present time,
07:07PTI and Khan have reached
07:09the heights of acceptance
07:11and solidarity.
07:13The aim of all statements
07:15is to win the hearts of the people.
07:17Today, the people of Pakistan
07:19are with PTI and Khan.
07:21And if you step back,
07:23do you still feel the same acceptance?
07:25At the present time,
07:27what happened to us is enough
07:29to give us political security
07:31in the next five years.
07:33So, you think that
07:35your politics has been set for five years?
07:37Look, who will give
07:39the PMLN court
07:41with this past
07:43election?
07:45What do you think?
07:47We will know in the next election
07:49who will vote for them.