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What is the Real Reason for the Postponement of the £190 Million Case Decision?
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What is the Real Reason for the Postponement of the £190 Million Case Decision?
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00:00Asalam-o-Alaikum dear viewers, welcome to the show.
00:13Today is Monday, the first day of the week and our first show.
00:18Dear viewers, our show has a lot of interesting stories.
00:21First of all, let me introduce the panelists.
00:23From Karachi, we have Haider Naqvi, from Lahore, we have Chaudhary Gulamshan,
00:26and as usual, we have Hassan Ayub with us in the Islamabad studio.
00:31Dear viewers, over the weekend, you saw that Khilafat-e-Mamool once again opened the doors of Adiala Jail.
00:39We had a meeting, and after the meeting, the Mazaqarati team talked a little.
00:44In the program, we will talk in detail about the incidents that took place
00:49in Adiala Jail.
00:53Along with this, today we have met with the Chief Justice.
00:57What did he say? Are they going to come with new reforms in the Supreme Court?
01:02The case of the military courts is going on.
01:05We are also hearing the very important remarks of the judges.
01:09We will also talk about that in the program.
01:12But first of all, dear viewers, our first story, our top story,
01:17is the case of Al-Qadr Trust, which is worth £190 million.
01:22The decision was to be made today, on Monday.
01:25Today, in all the newspapers, of course, the news had been published,
01:30that today, at 11am, this decision will be made.
01:34First, let me show you the headlines of the newspapers.
01:38Today, at 11am, first of all, Janga Khabar, dear viewers,
01:42before the decision, the PTI government,
01:45allegations are being raised, but today the decision will be made,
01:48worth £190 million, and in the meantime, you can see below,
01:51that today, at 11am, this decision will be made.
01:55Look at Duniya Khabar, dear viewers,
01:58in that too, at 11am, you can see in front of you,
02:01the judge of the Supreme Court, will make this decision at 11am today.
02:07Express Khabar, you can see,
02:09the decision worth £190 million will be made today.
02:14Dawn long-awaited verdict in £190 million corruption case expected today.
02:20Dear viewers, this is a very big case,
02:23in reference to the former Prime Minister,
02:26a big decision has been made, which has been taken to the court,
02:31that this is against the law, against the constitution,
02:34which was decided in the past, during the PTI government,
02:38so the Chief Executive of the government at that time,
02:41Bani PTI, he and his cabinet are responsible.
02:45Therefore, they should be held accountable,
02:48and they should be sentenced.
02:50What was to be decided on this, you saw,
02:53a lot of debate was taking place on social media,
02:56various allegations were being made,
02:58press conferences were taking place.
03:00Therefore, the people who are interested in Pakistan's politics,
03:05inside or outside the country,
03:07they were also waiting for the decision to be made at 11am.
03:13It was 11am, but the audience,
03:16the one who was waiting, disappeared.
03:19What happened, first of all, our reporters,
03:22Farrukh Hijaz, we go to him,
03:24how much this was against the law for him,
03:27and why did this happen,
03:30that today, before his departure,
03:32this whole matter was decided,
03:34and the Chief Executive said,
03:36I have come at 8am,
03:38and we are calling, Bani PTI is not coming,
03:40his wife is also not coming,
03:42therefore, I will announce this decision on 17th January,
03:45I have written the decision,
03:47I have also signed on it.
03:49Farrukh Hijaz, the most important thing,
03:51to ask you,
03:53this time of 11am,
03:55in all the newspapers,
03:57this time of 11am has been given.
03:59Did Tehreek-e-Nisaab give any money
04:01to publish the news of 11am?
04:03In the routine, when you go,
04:05on a daily basis,
04:07you have been covering this case for a year,
04:09so when do you enter the court,
04:11in the court,
04:13and what time does the court take,
04:15and when do you go in,
04:17after the security clearance,
04:19and the court proceedings start?
04:21Yes, absolutely, Mr. Shahbaz,
04:23if we talk about the judicial complex,
04:25because some hearings have taken place here as well,
04:27the hearings in the judicial complex,
04:29start at around 9am,
04:31the hearings in the judicial complex.
04:33However, the hearings in Adiala Jail,
04:35after the arrival of the judge,
04:37the entrance of the prosecutor,
04:39and then the media,
04:41and then when the hearing starts,
04:43then between 10.30am to 11.00am,
04:45the hearing starts,
04:47in Adiala Jail,
04:49and as you said,
04:51regarding today's hearing,
04:53what time was given for 11.00am,
04:55so this is usually,
04:57the understanding of the prosecutor and the court,
04:59they decide among themselves,
05:01at what time,
05:03the prosecutor should present himself in the court,
05:05so regarding the decision that was to be made today,
05:07the prosecutor of PTI,
05:09was told that,
05:11he has been formally informed,
05:13that at 11.00am,
05:15the decision will be made,
05:17because it had been postponed twice,
05:19and because of the postponement of PTI,
05:21it has been confirmed,
05:23that the court has confirmed,
05:25that the decision will be made at 11.00am,
05:27in Adiala Jail.
05:29My second question to you is that,
05:31all the big media houses of Pakistan,
05:33their representatives are present there,
05:35to cover this case,
05:37so was there any such representative,
05:39such a correspondent,
05:41of any newspaper, of any television,
05:43who reached at 8am,
05:45that today, against the rules,
05:47he should reach at 8am,
05:49obviously, he had to call the accused,
05:51obviously, the media has given him acceptance,
05:53that you should come there,
05:55so was there anyone,
05:57who reached before you,
05:59any reporter, who entered before you,
06:01and you were not informed?
06:03No, all the media reporters,
06:05were present,
06:07today,
06:09all the reporters of the media,
06:11were present there,
06:13they were given entry at 10am,
06:15all the media representatives,
06:17entered together,
06:19and when they entered,
06:21when they reached outside the court,
06:23the prosecution team,
06:25in which, Prosecutor General Naib,
06:27Sardar Muzaffar Abbasi,
06:29and his bigger team,
06:31were also present outside the court,
06:33in the lawn,
06:35when they were questioned,
06:37if the hearing had not started yet,
06:39they said that the judge had come,
06:41but Bani PTI has refused to come to the court,
06:43it has been said,
06:45that until his family,
06:47and the accused,
06:49do not come to the court,
06:51they will not come to the court,
06:53so the hearing has been stopped,
06:55at 10.25am,
06:57the hearing started again,
06:59the judge came to the court again,
07:01and the prosecution team,
07:03was also present in the court,
07:05apart from that,
07:07the accused of Bani PTI,
07:09and the accused of Bushra Bibi,
07:11however, today,
07:13one more thing has happened,
07:15the media has been given access,
07:17to the rostrum,
07:19so that the media can clearly listen to the judge,
07:21because no one else was present,
07:23in the court, only the prosecution team was present,
07:25and along with that, the media was present,
07:27so the judge,
07:29in the presence of the media,
07:31while talking to the prosecution,
07:33said that they have been here since 8.30am,
07:35but till now,
07:37neither Bani PTI has come here,
07:39so today, they had to give the verdict,
07:41and they have already written the verdict,
07:43the judge has also explained that,
07:45the verdict of 6th January,
07:47was postponed due to the court training,
07:49so today, this verdict had to be given,
07:51but I am not saying that.
07:53Hassan, I want to ask you a question,
07:55the first thing is that,
07:57in my opinion,
07:59the court cases start at 8.30am,
08:01the first case,
08:03if it comes in the cause disc,
08:05the first case is at 8.30am,
08:07because it is 9.00am,
08:09sometimes it is 9.15 or 9.30am,
08:11but the court case starts at 8.30am,
08:13is this correct?
08:15Yes, Hassan,
08:17if we look at the district courts,
08:19the case starts at 8.30am,
08:21and if we look at the judicial complex,
08:23where there are NAD courts,
08:25and FIA courts,
08:27the case starts at 9.00am.
08:29Ok, let's say it is at 9.00am.
08:31The second thing is that,
08:33has a journalist confirmed
08:35that the case started at 11.00am?
08:37Has a journalist confirmed
08:39that the case started at 11.00am?
08:41Has a journalist confirmed
08:43that the case started at 11.00am?
08:45Because I have spoken to the judicial complex,
08:47and according to them,
08:49it is a lie that the case started at 11.00am.
08:51It is a lie that the case started at 11.00am.
08:53They have categorically declined
08:55the allegation of this case.
08:57Ok, Farrukh,
08:59I will talk to Hassan.
09:01I will talk to Hassan.
09:03Ok, Hassan, tell us,
09:05has a journalist confirmed
09:07that the case started at 11.00am?
09:09Has a journalist confirmed
09:11that the case started at 11.00am?
09:13Yes, your question is valid,
09:15but let me tell you that
09:17the judicial complex
09:19is not good at providing information
09:21in such sensitive cases.
09:23And the one who has informed Vukla,
09:25that is why he goes there,
09:27so that he can reach there on time.
09:29Because you have seen in the past,
09:31that the case started at 11.00am.
09:33Ok, Farrukh Jais,
09:35your answer is valid.
09:37Now we know why the case was delayed.
09:39Now we know why the case was delayed.
09:41But let me show you the newspapers again.
09:43Janga Akhbar,
09:45the biggest newspaper of Pakistan,
09:47is writing at 11.00am.
09:49I think their editorial boards
09:51have to be very careful.
09:53I think Hassan should write
09:55in a letter
09:57that what kind of editorial scrutiny
09:59do you do,
10:01that you don't get your reporters
10:03to work?
10:05Because Hassan has been doing this
10:07in the Supreme Court,
10:09so I think he should be categorical.
10:11Duniya Akhbar is also going to be strict,
10:13because they also wrote at 11.00am.
10:15All across social media and all that,
10:17this happens there.
10:19Chaudhary Ghamsi Khan,
10:21let's move ahead.
10:23First of all, you will remember
10:25a few incidents of Tosha Khanna.
10:27Tosha Khanna was arrested.
10:29The first case was
10:31referenced by the Election Commission.
10:33Regarding his assets,
10:35his lawyers were not present.
10:37The decision was announced
10:39in his absence,
10:41and you will remember
10:43when he was arrested in Lahore.
10:45Similarly, Judge Muhammad Basheer
10:47also announced the case of Tosha Khanna
10:49in his absence.
10:51And if I am not wrong,
10:53Hassan will correct me.
10:55The judgements against
10:57the current Chief Minister
10:59were also announced in his absence.
11:01I am telling you,
11:03he is a difficult man.
11:05Chaudhary Ghamsi Khan,
11:07what does he do?
11:09He is in jail,
11:11but he refuses.
11:13His wife,
11:15obviously,
11:17she goes to work at 11.00am,
11:19and even today,
11:21she reaches there at 10.50pm.
11:23Why don't you listen
11:25to the judgements
11:27of this case?
11:29The judge has already
11:31made a difficult decision.
11:35Do I have any
11:37violence certificate
11:39so that I can know
11:41why he is not coming?
11:43Imran Khan is in jail
11:45as a criminal.
11:47The court has given the order
11:49that he has to come.
11:51I don't know what to do.
11:53I don't understand
11:55that the judge has already
11:57made a decision.
11:59The accused party
12:01has been saying
12:03that he can make any decision.
12:05We don't care.
12:07He is already in jail.
12:09I don't have a good impression
12:11about the behavior
12:13of the court.
12:15I have come at 8.30am.
12:17He has not come.
12:19I am going.
12:21Only Allah knows
12:23what he wants to achieve.
12:25He has come.
12:27You have written it.
12:29You can announce it.
12:31Or you can ask the reader
12:33to announce it.
12:35What is this?
12:37I don't have a good impression
12:39about the court.
12:41This is the third time
12:43that the judge has been deferred.
12:45One accused is in jail.
12:47I don't know where he is.
12:49Hassan's access
12:51can tell us
12:53where he is.
12:55He is in a cell
12:57with 4-5 rooms.
12:59Hassan will tell us
13:01the distance
13:03between him and the court.
13:05What do you have to say
13:07when the media
13:09is shouting
13:11and the most important thing
13:13is that our friends
13:15are being punished.
13:17In Karachi,
13:19Senator Faisal Wadas
13:21told us yesterday
13:23that the decision is being made
13:25in the morning and the punishment
13:27is being made.
13:29Please let us know
13:31what you have to say.
13:33If you don't have anything to say,
13:35let us know.
13:37I don't have anything to say.
13:39If you don't mind,
13:41can I say something?
13:43I am from Karachi,
13:45so I can say something.
13:47The case has been going on
13:49for a year.
13:51One accused
13:53has been in jail
13:55for a year and a half.
13:57If the decision is delayed
13:59for 4-8 days,
14:01what will happen?
14:03The accused
14:05is asking for a verdict.
14:07You are afraid of giving a verdict.
14:09Those who are afraid,
14:11they don't keep a date.
14:13They have never kept a date.
14:15Thirdly,
14:17you say it was at 11 o'clock.
14:19Let's say it was at 11 o'clock.
14:21Your lawyers,
14:23your nominees
14:25who can be punished
14:27or acquitted,
14:29at 10 o'clock
14:31at 11 o'clock
14:33the verdict will be given.
14:35No, no.
14:37Our news is on air.
14:39At 10.30 or 10.25 or 10.28.
14:41You can say 10.30 or 10.30.
14:43It doesn't matter.
14:45Half an hour ago,
14:47no lawyer of Mr. Imran Khan
14:49or Bushra Bibi
14:51reached there.
14:53Neither did Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf
14:55reach there.
14:57A big decision was being made
14:59that Mr. Imran Khan and
15:01Bushra Bibi will be punished.
15:03Neither did any leader
15:05of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf
15:07reach there.
15:09Neither did any leader
15:11of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf
15:13reach there.
15:15Everything was already
15:17understood.
15:19You are absolutely right.
15:21But the question is
15:23that if the verdict was given
15:25in the absence,
15:27the verdict would have
15:29also been given.
15:31You are absolutely right.
15:33This is a very big
15:35decision.
15:37You are absolutely right.
15:39Hassan is also right.
15:41If the court was supposed to
15:43open at 8.30 or 9.30,
15:45they were supposed to be
15:47in the court at that time.
15:49But the media mislead them.
15:51Why did the media mislead them?
15:53Now all the newspapers have
15:55put a headline story
15:57that the verdict will be given
15:59at 11.00.
16:01The proceedings of this case
16:03are being followed by Zahir
16:05as a reporter from B.C.
16:07So the news started
16:09coming after 11.00.
16:11I am asking you a question.
16:13Not a single person of Tehrik-e-Insaf
16:15reached there.
16:17Neither did any lawyer
16:19nor any other person reach there.
16:21Viewers, let us tell you
16:23about this case.
16:25I am coming to you.
16:27You took the time
16:29to ask all the questions.
16:31Let me tell you.
16:33I am coming.
16:35Viewers, what is the reference
16:37of £190 million?
16:39When did it start?
16:41Let us tell you some facts.
16:43In Al-Qadar University Trust case
16:45or £190 million reference,
16:47on the order of NAB,
16:49for the first time,
16:51Bani PTI was arrested
16:53by the Aslamabad High Court
16:55on 23rd,
16:57on 9th May,
16:59on the same day.
17:01On 11th May,
17:03on 23rd, the Supreme Court
17:05ordered the release
17:07of Bani PTI.
17:09On 13th November,
17:11on 23rd,
17:13NAB arrested Bani PTI
17:15and interrogated him
17:17for 17 days.
17:19On 1st December,
17:21on 23rd,
17:23NAB filed this reference.
17:25There are 8 accused
17:27but only Bani PTI
17:29and his wife,
17:31Bushra Bibi,
17:33faced the trial.
17:35This is a very important point.
17:37In some cases,
17:39the number of accused is more
17:41and the case goes on.
17:49On 27th February,
17:51on 24th, Bani PTI was charged.
17:53The trial was completed
17:55within a year.
17:57During the trial,
17:59NAB recorded 35 witnesses.
18:01Azam Khan, Parvez Khattak
18:03and Zubaida Jalal
18:05are among them.
18:074 judges were changed
18:09during the hearing
18:11of £190 million.
18:13Judge Muhammad Bashir
18:15was the first to hear the case.
18:17Then Judge Nasir Javed Rana
18:19and then Judge Muhammad Ali Wadaj
18:21heard the case.
18:23Judge Nasir Javed Rana
18:25heard the case
18:27and completed it.
18:29Judge Nasir Javed Rana
18:31secured the case
18:33on 18th December,
18:35which was to be heard
18:37on 23rd December.
18:39The hearing was postponed
18:41on 23rd December
18:43and the date was
18:456th January, 2025.
18:47Due to Judge Nasir Javed Rana's
18:49departure,
18:51the case was postponed
18:53and the date was
18:55scheduled to be
18:5711th January, 2025.
18:59However,
19:01due to Judge Nasir Javed Rana's
19:03absence,
19:05the hearing
19:07was rescheduled
19:09on 17th January, 2025.
19:15This case is being
19:17debated on.
19:19The government today, the information minister, the government spokesperson, Mr. Talal Choudhary,
19:26Mr. Hassan Yousuf's friend and brother, came on television with him.
19:32What did he say? Why are the PTI people scared? And what is the reason that they are running away?
19:37A man from Britain came to Pakistan to hear the decision, whose name was Nawaz Sharif and Maryam Nawaz.
19:45And a man a few steps away in jail, his conscience and he is not worthy that he can go a few steps in court and hear the decision of his actions.
19:57Well, Mr. Khan, you were not there, so what was the problem for Bushra Bibi while going there?
20:01Why didn't she go to hear the decision? She should have gone, right?
20:04And there she talks about her innocence if she believes in this thing.
20:08So I think the delay was used.
20:11Yes, the government says that the delay has been used.
20:16After that, Mr. Gohar, the time was 11.48.
20:21We were waiting for the decision to be announced at 11. But what did he say? Listen more.
20:27We were all waiting for the court to act.
20:37But before the entry of our Adiala jail, it was said at the gate that the judge has put a date of 17 in it.
20:47Don't make a decision today. I tell you, it is not from our side.
20:53We were absolutely ready and came with the intention that the decision would be announced today.
20:58But this decision has been put forward by the judge on his own accord.
21:04This is not the result of any deal.
21:07This is what he is saying. And all the ministers of the government are giving statements on this expected decision.
21:15Listen to this continuously.
21:17The case of £190 million is two-fold.
21:23When this £190 million was being approved, I told Mr. Khan that this will be a new case for you and you will be jailed.
21:31This is an open and shut case.
21:33This is the biggest mega corruption case in the history of Pakistan.
21:47They know that their hands are stained in this corruption.
21:50They are guilty.
21:51The decision is two-fold.
21:53This is an open and shut case.
21:55Anyone who hears this will not be able to escape punishment.
21:59Mr. Hassan Ayub, this is an open and shut case.
22:02You will not be able to escape punishment.
22:05The statements of various people have been made.
22:08Mr. Khattak, his principal secretary.
22:10This case has been deferred three or four times.
22:16What do you think is the reason for this decision to be deferred?
22:21If you have any information, please share it with the viewers.
22:23We will listen to your comments.
22:25The first news is that the honourable judge is a straightforward and difficult man.
22:34He is not a traditional judge.
22:35I have said this many times before.
22:37Many people do not understand this.
22:39Many people are trying to say that he is under-influenced.
22:43I have said this before.
22:44The judge is not under the influence of the government.
22:46Nor will he be under the influence of the PTI or the social media team.
22:51As far as the honourable judge is concerned,
22:53it is a matter of timing.
22:55He has just started his hearing at 3 o'clock.
23:00Remember that the court is the court of the judge.
23:06The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Pakistan is also bound by that court.
23:09If he comes there, then the court will be of Mr. Rana.
23:13Similarly, when the High Court judge has filed his case,
23:17then the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Pakistan will also respect that court.
23:21Respect is of the court, not of the person.
23:24So that court was filed in Adela.
23:26This is the first thing.
23:27The second thing is that the court has a time of 8.30.
23:30Let's say 9 o'clock.
23:31When he has announced the judgment,
23:34then what other case did he have to hear?
23:37There is only one case.
23:38The one that he uses there.
23:40And that was this one.
23:42And in the case of £190 million,
23:44the accused,
23:46you were doubting the Chief Justice.
23:48In his eyes, he is the accused of the court.
23:50He called that accused once.
23:51He did not come.
23:52He waited for him.
23:53Then again he said to the court,
23:55Sir, please come.
23:56He said, if my family comes, then I will come.
23:58Then he was the judge of the court.
24:00It was his approval.
24:01This is how a court is made.
24:02So she left.
24:03Now she showed decency.
24:05Why did she leave?
24:06She said that I have secured the decision.
24:08But she made it clear that
24:09I have even signed the decision.
24:11And neither did her family come there.
24:14So we should respect the courts.
24:17Especially when you are a court accused
24:19in a corruption and corrupt practice case.
24:22And there you are saying,
24:23what does he want?
24:24Former Prime Minister Imran Khan,
24:26that he should give the order to the accused
24:27and bring him by manhandling.
24:28So this is not appropriate.
24:30He is a respectable man.
24:31Respectfully respect the court,
24:33which is appropriate.
24:34Mr. Hassan Ayyub is absolutely right.
24:37Can I ask a question to Mr. Hassan?
24:40It's time for the break.
24:42We will tell you after the break.
24:43Because it's time over.
24:45It's a compulsion.
24:46Mr. Naqvi.
24:47Mr. Hassan Ayyub is absolutely right.
24:49The judge of any court
24:51has the right to decide
24:53when to give the decision.
24:54He has to decide the timing.
24:56And this is the appropriate procedure.
25:00And it should be followed
25:01that the decision should be given
25:03in the presence of the accused.
25:05But you saw that recently
25:07two incidents were told to you.
25:10These were the accused.
25:11These decisions were given in their absence.
25:13So following Hassan's words,
25:15I think the judge should have issued
25:17a contempt of court notice today.
25:19And he should have told them
25:21that you did not happen
25:22and you should have punished him.
25:23And the way this decision
25:25has been accepted in my case,
25:26even if he had given it,
25:27the punishment is obvious,
25:28the accused is there.
25:29He would have been punished.
25:31Again, there are different opinions on this.
25:34There is talk of some negotiations in the background.
25:37And for negotiations,
25:39why did the Adala Jail open
25:41on a Sunday?
25:43Why did the Adala Jail open?
25:45And after that,
25:46what was going on there?
25:48What is the government saying?
25:50What is the opposition saying?
25:51We will talk about all these issues
25:53after the break.
25:56Welcome, dear viewers.
25:57In my opinion,
25:58the reason for all this
26:00is that the court order
26:02that is to be issued today,
26:04should clearly state
26:06that on 17th January,
26:08I will announce my decision
26:10at this time.
26:11So that people like us,
26:13who have their livelihood
26:15with reporting,
26:17if the reporters had been announced
26:19before them,
26:20they would have been
26:21dragged to every office
26:23and told to sleep.
26:25So, let's move on.
26:26Why did the Adala Jail open
26:28on a Sunday?
26:30The developments on this
26:32are being told by the government
26:34that at around 2 am,
26:36midnight,
26:38one day before,
26:40on a Sunday night,
26:42they received a message
26:44that the doors are opening
26:46and get ready,
26:47we will meet in the morning.
26:49And the meeting took place.
26:51What was the decision?
26:52What did Hamid Raza,
26:53the chairman of PTI,
26:54say?
26:55Today, we met with Mr. Khan.
26:57It was a detailed meeting,
26:59even though it was
27:01in a controlled environment.
27:03Mr. Khan said again today
27:05that on 9th May
27:07and 26th November,
27:09a non-partisan commission
27:11should be formed
27:13which can decide
27:15the responsibility.
27:17And in that non-partisan commission,
27:19we do not want to judge our will.
27:21We are talking about
27:23the senior most judges of the Supreme Court.
27:25We will inform the other team
27:27that we are ready
27:29for the third round of negotiations.
27:31And in that,
27:33they will be intimated
27:35that now you should
27:37do your work
27:39on behalf of the Judicial Commission.
27:41Mr. Nagbir,
27:43you can also ask a question to Hassan.
27:45On this Sunday,
27:47what do you think
27:49is the motive
27:51behind the meeting?
27:53Or was it decided
27:55to have a meeting?
27:57It is said that on 15th January,
27:59both the committees
28:01will meet.
28:03Mr. Nagbir?
28:05First of all,
28:07the one who arranged the meeting
28:09did wrong.
28:11And the one who went to do it
28:13also did wrong.
28:15He said that today is Sunday
28:17and we cannot meet on Sunday.
28:19You tell us, it is your right.
28:21Why did you go to meet on Sunday?
28:23You said that we will meet in the morning.
28:25Why did he go?
28:27This is a very wrong question.
28:29If the PTI has an objection
28:31that why the doors are open on Sunday,
28:33then you do not go on Sunday.
28:35This is the most important thing.
28:37You do not go on Sunday.
28:39What was the second question?
28:41You had to ask a question.
28:43You did that.
28:45What was the question?
28:47I had asked you.
28:49I said that the meeting
28:51has been decided.
28:53What is the news?
28:55The most important thing is that
28:57when Gaur Khan
28:59met Mr. Imran Khan
29:016 days ago,
29:03he said that we should write
29:05and give our demands.
29:07Why haven't you written yet?
29:09This will not solve the problem
29:11only with press conferences.
29:13You give your demands in writing
29:15and then you will know
29:17what the government answers
29:19and what it does not answer.
29:21You write and give.
29:23Your news was that
29:25the extremist group
29:27Bani PTI
29:29within the party
29:31social media,
29:33you take it seriously,
29:35I do not take it seriously,
29:37I decided to go with them.
29:39Now there is no meeting.
29:41Their behavior is not right.
29:43I said that if the government wants,
29:45it can do 50 things in a day.
29:47You said that there is no authority
29:49of the government.
29:51I said that the government
29:53can do 50 things
29:55if you want.
29:57But you said that
29:59since Bani PTI has decided
30:01that they have rejected
30:03their committee,
30:05they have decided to go with
30:07Jibran Ilyas.
30:09They have decided
30:11to go with him.
30:13Now there will be no meeting.
30:15What happened on Sunday?
30:17Bani PTI's
30:19negotiating committee
30:21contacted the speaker
30:23of the office.
30:25They said that they are ready
30:27for the meeting.
30:29Even if they do not meet
30:31Imran Khan, they are ready
30:33to give their demands.
30:35When they lost their temper,
30:37they said that they are ready
30:39to give their demands.
30:41If you want to make an impression
30:43of that case,
30:45then do it.
30:47I want them to make an impression.
30:49Secondly,
30:51I want them to make an impression
30:53of the deal
30:55so that there is disappointment.
30:57What has to happen,
30:59has to happen.
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