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- Faisal Chaudhry (PTI Lawyer)
- Senator Tallal Chaudhary PMLN
Why was in Al-Qadir Trust case's verdict postponed? - Kashif Abbasi Reveal Insiders
Did £190 million case's verdict postponed for third time due to deal?
Faisal Chaudhry raises important question regarding Al-Qadir Trust case hearing
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Host:
- Kashif Abbasi
Guests:
- Faisal Chaudhry (PTI Lawyer)
- Senator Tallal Chaudhary PMLN
Why was in Al-Qadir Trust case's verdict postponed? - Kashif Abbasi Reveal Insiders
Did £190 million case's verdict postponed for third time due to deal?
Faisal Chaudhry raises important question regarding Al-Qadir Trust case hearing
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, viewers, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:15Today, the decision of the £190 million case was to be made.
00:19Imran Khan was present in the jail.
00:23But Imran Khan, who was in the jail, failed to reach the court.
00:28Because of this, the safe decision of today's prisoner will remain safe for the next few days.
00:36It is being said that this decision will now be announced on 17th.
00:40Looking at these cases and these circumstances, it becomes clear why the democracy in our country is so difficult.
00:48Maria Nawaz Sharif Sahiba had said a few days ago that everyone has the right to disagree.
00:54We live in a democracy.
00:56I kept looking for democracy. I was tired, but I could not find democracy.
01:00What should democracy be according to the constitution? What is its shape?
01:04The first page of the constitution tells us that
01:10Whereas it is the will of the people of Pakistan to establish an order.
01:15According to the constitution, since it is the will of the people of Pakistan to establish an order
01:24In which the state uses its power and authority through the elected representatives of the people.
01:31In which democracy, freedom, equality, tolerance and justice principles, as Islam has explained, will be fully implemented.
01:44This is the definition of democracy according to our constitution.
01:48You will remember the ancient senate.
01:50They used to say that what is democracy?
01:52It is a government of the people, for the people, by the people.
01:56That is, the government of the people, for the people, by the people.
02:01By the way, after a transparent election process, the representative parliament is the real democracy or its real picture.
02:09But in our country, after a controversial election process, the view of the parliament is a little different.
02:15Since 2018, there is a hybrid system in our country.
02:19You see how the elections are.
02:22Who will make the government?
02:24Its decision is made before the election.
02:27A big miracle happened in 2018.
02:31Imran Khan made the government.
02:33But Shahbaz Sharif was also part of the negotiation process with the establishment of the cabinet.
02:40Maybe that conversation was not serious.
02:43Because the decision had already been made that Imran Khan would be the prime minister.
02:46But this is our democracy.
02:48That both the big parties were shot that you will make the government.
02:53And both were happily part of this process.
02:56In the 2018 assembly, there were slogans of Selector and Selected.
03:01Now, in this assembly, after these elections, there are slogans of Form 47.
03:06There is no change.
03:08This was the victory of democracy before.
03:10Democracy is still winning.
03:12I wish the people could win in this country.
03:15Their decision should also be fair.
03:17If accepted, then maybe democracy will be seen.
03:20Now there is a mirage.
03:23You see something, something happens.
03:26From Selected, the debate has gone to Form 47.
03:30If asked, they say that this is a new face of democracy.
03:34Do not vote.
03:35If you do not get a vote, put someone else.
03:38Then the mandate is controversial.
03:40If you get a majority, there is nothing to worry about.
03:43Form 47 will fix everything.
03:45Ask if elections have ever been transparent in this country.
03:48The people have the right to elect representatives of their choice and send them to the people.
03:53The government that governs this country says that there is no need for transparent elections.
03:59Illiterate people are ignorant.
04:01How do they know who to elect?
04:03How can such a big decision be given in their hands?
04:06Therefore, whoever decides, does not decide who will run this country.
04:13This is how they come into power.
04:17The people say that the government decides about us for five years.
04:22We only decide about the government once.
04:25Let them do that.
04:27Let them accept that.
04:28So this Shafia says that this is the democracy in Pakistan.
04:33Perhaps this is the democracy in which Maryam Nawaz Sharif Sahiba spoke about living.
04:39This is not that democracy.
04:41Or this is not a democracy.
04:44This is a very tailored democracy.
04:46The concept of freedom of justice also exists in democracy.
04:49It is a little less in our democracy.
04:52We are unfortunate.
04:54Our system, the system of justice, is at number 129 in the world.
05:00It is such a democracy in which it is said that the grandson of the grandfather fights the case.
05:05No decisions are made.
05:06And look at the beauty of our democracy.
05:09Even after centuries, the democracy, God forbid, does not even try to get justice for the poor.
05:17Ashrafia is a country. Ashrafia has to rule.
05:20This is the democracy in this country.
05:22It does not listen to the issues of the poor.
05:24By the way, there used to be a Supreme Court in our country.
05:27In the name of reforms in justice, it has also been arranged.
05:30The parliament was used.
05:32The 26th constitutional amendment came.
05:34The representatives of the republic were ready to vote even at 12 o'clock at night without studying.
05:40The constitutional amendment was approved.
05:42A constitutional court of will was formed.
05:44Judges of will were appointed.
05:46And thus the victory was won in its name.
05:49In this country, where it is a matter of institutions and systems, it is a matter of an order.
05:54So who is going to hold the election?
05:56The election commission of Pakistan.
05:58The election commission has always been a team.
06:01Which decision did the election commission make in the last few months to correct the system of this country?
06:09If there are any questions or doubts about this election,
06:12then there was one way to correct it that free, independent or unbiased tribunals should be made.
06:19But the government made laws and such judges were appointed.
06:24Now the news that there is an audit of a ring or a ring is being opened has become unlawful.
06:31In the democratic system, the people also have a way.
06:35It is always open for them.
06:37It is called protest.
06:39This is the fundamental right of the people.
06:41If they are not happy with the government's decision or their position,
06:44then they protest and fight for their rights.
06:47Now in our country, protest has also become a crime.
06:50By the way, people can now protest from the corners of their homes.
06:55A free way has been told to us.
06:57Because in Islamabad, the meaning of protest without the will of the government is three years in prison.
07:04But that protest or any other protest is the spirit of democracy.
07:11You must have seen a million marches in the world.
07:14They are against governments, against their policies,
07:16against their decisions, sometimes against the decisions of other countries.
07:20And these free democracies or free countries,
07:23countries that understand thinking, work in the same way.
07:28When there is a protest in our Pakistan, then what happens?
07:34Roads are closed.
07:36Containers are put up and the city is jammed.
07:38People are deported from their homes.
07:40Tears, gas, police everywhere.
07:42This is the protest of our country.
07:45The government should not protest.
07:48People should not leave their homes.
07:50They will enter people's homes and break them.
07:52This is our country.
07:54In which we do not give the right of protest, which is democracy, to people.
07:59Mariam Bibi knows that democracy is not found in this country.
08:05First, there was military rule in our country for a long time.
08:09It was easy to take over.
08:11Democracy kept coming and going in this country.
08:14Now, in the last few years,
08:16democracy has started to get shot here.
08:19There is a deal.
08:20One trader is successful, the other is unsuccessful.
08:23One wins and the other loses.
08:25The winner is on the chair of the Prime Minister.
08:27The loser is in jail.
08:29In martial law, it was okay to put everyone in jail,
08:31to change the country.
08:33After Musharraf, when the democratic system came,
08:35then most of the differences were seen between the government and the establishment.
08:40Now that too seems to be ending.
08:43Now, all the stakes are on one page.
08:46And the leader who is not on one page,
08:50you know where he is.
08:53In today's system, the losers are worried,
08:56the winners are not very happy.
08:58It is a compromised politics.
09:01In which democracy is getting weaker day by day.
09:04The power is being transferred from the hands of politicians to somewhere else.
09:08To say that it is a democratic government,
09:10but the decisions are neither in the hands of the people,
09:13nor in the hands of this democratic government.
09:15In such a situation, politicians will have to sit together and think,
09:19that personal differences will have to be forgotten.
09:22We will have to agree on the politics of principle.
09:25We will have to create a system in which all institutions
09:28work according to the limits given in the constitution.
09:30Unnecessary interference in each other's work should be stopped.
09:34This country should run according to the principles.
09:36It should run according to the constitution.
09:37Rule of law should be in this country.
09:39The law should be supreme.
09:42Politicians should also correct their attitude.
09:44They should not be ready to support each other all the time.
09:48Here, there are lines.
09:50As someone used to say, there are lines after gate number 4.
09:54Justice should also be free.
09:56Instead of making decisions according to the weather,
09:58make decisions according to the law and the constitution.
10:00All institutions should remain within their limits.
10:03And work within the limits.
10:05And when this happens, Maryam Bibi will come.
10:07Then there will be democracy in this country.
10:09And at that time,
10:12a flourishing democracy will be visible to everyone.
10:15What you are seeing now is a curse.
10:19It is not a democracy.
10:20Anyway, the decision of the £190 million case
10:23was overturned for the third time today.
10:26They were giving an example of democracy.
10:29These are our courts.
10:30The journalists kept telling for the first two times
10:32that the decision will not come today or tomorrow.
10:34They would have announced it earlier.
10:36The decision will not come.
10:37And it used to be like that.
10:38The decision did not come on that day.
10:40So, the journalists and all the politicians were saying
10:42that the decision will come today.
10:45Then why didn't it come today?
10:46Let's ask our guests.
10:47Mr. Talal Chaudhary is present with us.
10:49Mr. Faisal Chaudhary is present with us.
10:50Mr. Talal Chaudhary, what happened to the £190 million case?
10:53The third decision was told to us for the first two times
10:56through the journalists.
10:57That it is being overturned.
10:58So, we understood.
10:59This time, we didn't understand
11:00because everyone was ready.
11:01How long did you do the press conference last night?
11:04Do you think this is a deal?
11:06I am asking you.
11:07I am asking you.
11:08Your question is a deal.
11:12If Imran Khan is not punished for this decision
11:16in the open and shut case,
11:19then this is a real deal.
11:22Okay.
11:23That's it.
11:24You will see this.
11:26Who will do this deal?
11:27Really.
11:28You should ask him.
11:30This is what we say.
11:31This is one side.
11:32He can't do this to himself.
11:33He must have done this to someone else.
11:34No, no.
11:35This is what we say.
11:36We have never asked anyone.
11:38We will snatch it from someone.
11:39We will keep it.
11:40Keep it here.
11:41Even your father will give it.
11:42Yes, yes.
11:43Look at my request.
11:44Next thing.
11:45Next thing.
11:46Look, this perception is made by Mr. Kashyap.
11:49The Nathia Galiya restaurant has been cleared.
11:52It is being transferred to Banigalak.
11:54The decision is being delayed
11:56because there is a deal being made here.
11:58Mr. Kashyap, there is no deal being made.
12:01This is an open and shut case.
12:04Based on technicalities,
12:06there are very good lawyers.
12:08They can tell us why they did this.
12:11I think the judge must be going.
12:13A man is a few steps away.
12:16He has come to listen.
12:18Imran Khan is in jail.
12:20He is in jail.
12:21He can't go to jail to listen to the court's decision.
12:24Many people have come from the UK.
12:27He didn't come to listen to the court's decision.
12:29He will come later.
12:30But you said two more things.
12:32Technically, factually incorrect.
12:35You said that the Sharif family has never changed a lawyer.
12:39I will tell you everything.
12:41The Sharif family has changed many lawyers.
12:44Wait a minute.
12:46Mr. Kashyap, let's start from the beginning.
12:48Salman Butt, Akram Sheikh.
12:50I am in all the cases.
12:51Shahid Ahmed, Salman Akram Raja.
12:54Makhdoom Ali Khan.
12:57Sir, when you have dozens of cases,
13:00you have so many lawyers.
13:02This is a matter of the Supreme Court.
13:04If a lawyer has changed in a court,
13:07if an adjournment has been delayed,
13:10I didn't miss a single case.
13:13Mr. Kashyap, your reporter must have done it.
13:16We didn't know that Saqib Nassar would behead me.
13:21The cases of Nawaz Sharif in front of Saqib Nassar,
13:25we didn't show any mistrust.
13:28I was in Panama.
13:31I was asked about maintainability.
13:34Not only there.
13:36From Pakpatan's case to other cases.
13:41I am telling you to become a lawyer in the court and take adjournments.
13:45Leave it.
13:46This is a fact.
13:48We didn't show any mistrust to the judges.
13:52Number two.
13:54In the case where Mr. Mian was punished,
13:58show me that you took adjournments from Mr. Lait-O-Lal.
14:01No.
14:03I am talking about a fact.
14:05You gave a fact.
14:06The lawyer didn't change.
14:07The lawyer has changed a lot.
14:08No.
14:09Lawyers change in different cases.
14:10Lawyers change in different cases.
14:11Government lawyers.
14:12No.
14:13Lawyers change in different cases.
14:14They don't change in dance parties.
14:15Tell me.
14:16If there is a deal, who will be punished?
14:18They won't be punished.
14:20If there is a deal, then surely in Pakistan...
14:23You don't have to say that there is a deal.
14:25Absolutely.
14:26If there is a deal...
14:28Give me your political analysis.
14:31What do you think about today's case?
14:34What do you say?
14:35Sir, technicality.
14:36The judge is trying to do what I think.
14:39Because he went to the highest courts 2-3 times
14:44to make this trial illegal.
14:47To raise objections.
14:49He tried to do that.
14:50This time he did it at a slow pace.
14:53And he did it at his own will.
14:55So that there are no objections.
14:56He could have given a punishment.
14:58You are right.
14:59But this time he...
15:00Once the lawyers were told.
15:01He was told from somewhere else.
15:02That he will be acquitted.
15:03There will be no decision.
15:04The second time he was told.
15:05That he will be acquitted.
15:06There will be no decision.
15:07Today the lawyers are coming.
15:08And you were all ready.
15:09I was asking.
15:10He is right.
15:11He was waiting.
15:12No one came.
15:13I think the judge has tried.
15:15That there are no objections at the last point.
15:18I will give him one more time.
15:20A wife has to come from Peshawar.
15:22Okay?
15:23And you are saying.
15:24If he doesn't come next time.
15:25He will be punished.
15:26No, no.
15:27I am not saying this.
15:28I am telling you.
15:29That maybe that is why he stopped.
15:30But I am telling you very clearly.
15:32This is 2 plus 2.
15:34If there is no punishment in this case.
15:36Then it is a deal.
15:37What?
15:39If he finds out.
15:41That there is nothing in the case.
15:43Tell me Mr. Kashif.
15:45You are saying that he will be punished.
15:473 times.
15:48The case.
15:49When the decision is adjourned.
15:51Didn't you make this a political case?
15:54You are talking about deal and deal.
15:56Who asked for it?
15:57Did Imran Khan ask for it?
15:58Did his party ask for it?
16:00Did his family ask for it?
16:01Who asked for it?
16:03Sir, we listen to you every day.
16:04What do you have to say about this?
16:06The thing is.
16:07That he said.
16:08Sitting in jail.
16:10The victorious victim.
16:12He said.
16:13My release.
16:14My cases.
16:15Will not be the agenda of these negotiations.
16:17This is how it is.
16:19Take his twitter account.
16:21He said.
16:22I have to make a deal.
16:23He said.
16:24I have to go to the exile.
16:26In the court.
16:27This also happened.
16:28Happened with you.
16:29Sitting here.
16:30Mr. Sabzada told me.
16:32Mr. Khan said.
16:33First the release of the rest of the prisoners.
16:35Then I will consider.
16:37Now the thing is.
16:38That the release of the rest of the prisoners.
16:40When the prisoner and the convict.
16:42They talk first.
16:44So we are saying.
16:45That you are not begging us.
16:47What happened today?
16:48By the way, when did you reach?
16:50Sir, 11 o'clock.
16:51This case starts from 11.30 to 11.30.
16:53We reach at 10.30.
16:55While clearing.
16:56At 11.45.
16:57At 11 o'clock.
16:58Attack.
16:59To someone.
17:00To two.
17:01To someone.
17:02To three.
17:03If they let it go.
17:04So where was Ms. Bushra?
17:05Ms. Bushra had also come.
17:0615 minutes ago.
17:08We were told by the court.
17:09At 11 o'clock.
17:10The time was announced.
17:11That at 11 o'clock.
17:12Your decision will be announced.
17:13I was there.
17:14At 10.20.
17:15Salman Raja.
17:16Had reached before me.
17:17Okay.
17:18And there.
17:19When I.
17:20So you were on time.
17:21We were on time.
17:22We are on our normal time.
17:23Okay.
17:24The second thing is.
17:25The judge said.
17:26I am sitting at 8.30.
17:27I am waiting.
17:28You have not come.
17:29So the judge at 8.30.
17:30Was there anything important?
17:31What was it?
17:32He was making a decision.
17:33At 11.30.
17:34Look.
17:35The judge.
17:36Did he have anything.
17:37The first time of the accused.
17:38When the decision of the Adid case.
17:39Of Saifur.
17:40Who was present there?
17:41Was there?
17:42You have heard it in the official.
17:43Anyway.
17:44You should not be representing the judge.
17:47No.
17:48I.
17:49I will talk about 2 plus 2 also.
17:522 plus 2 Chaudry Talal judge.
17:57Obviously.
17:58One of our brothers.
18:01It is his respect.
18:03But sir.
18:04There has been a loss of 20 crore rupees in this account, which is kept in the State Bank of Pakistan.
18:13Tell us where money laundering has been proven? Has it happened in the UK court?
18:17Has it happened in the Pakistani courts?
18:19Let's not go into the merits. I think Mr. Chaudhary is not prepared for the merits.
18:22I will give you an example.
18:24Okay.
18:25I want to hear an example.
18:27Let me give you an example.
18:29Let's say I deposit a electricity bill.
18:34And I tell him to take the electricity bill.
18:37With this money, he can deposit my tax as well.
18:39Oh my brother, you are amazing.
18:42You are amazing.
18:43Let me give you an example.
18:45Listen to me, Mr. Chaudhary.
18:47Listen to me.
18:48Mr. Chaudhary, I deposit the electricity bill and tax.
18:51Listen to me.
18:52The problem here is…
18:53Do you know how this case started?
18:55Yes.
18:56In 2020…
18:57The government of Pakistan had written a letter to the NCA.
19:01Yes.
19:02For the investigation of Hassan Nawaz's One Hyde Park.
19:06Suspicious transaction.
19:07The case started from there.
19:09Hassan Nawaz had sold it to Mr. Malik Riaz.
19:11Yes.
19:12From there, this account was seized.
19:14He wrote to the government of Pakistan that this is the account.
19:17And a freezing order came.
19:19The first step is always the freezing order.
19:22Sir, I have a request.
19:24The same NCA gave a clean chit to Shabaz Sharif and Mian Nawaz.
19:31They didn't do anything.
19:33No, no.
19:34The law of unexplained wealth was made there 6-7 years ago.
19:40The NCA investigated that law.
19:43The country whose unexplained wealth belongs to a citizen,
19:48they look at it.
19:49Otherwise, they would have returned the country.
19:52This is their law.
19:53But a decision has to be made for that.
19:54A decision.
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34:47Welcome back, Nazib Ji.
35:01I have one last concluding remark.
35:03You say that these phone calls don't happen every day.
35:07What will happen if they do happen?
35:08Mr. Kashyap, I have a request.
35:09Has the demand for Form 47 and a fake government been fulfilled or not?
35:14What do you mean by that?
35:16Backburner.
35:18What is a backburner?
35:20We don't have two demands.
35:21We don't have two demands.
35:22We don't have two demands.
35:23We don't have two demands.
35:24We will tell you that as well.
35:25That's fine for now.
35:26That's fine for now.
35:27That's fine for now.
35:28We have accepted the government and the assembly.
35:31And the support that they are sitting on, or the hopes that they are sitting on,
35:34let me tell you again that your show is the top show in Pakistan.
35:38People listen to this.
35:40On 9th May, 26th November,
35:42in cases like 190 million,
35:44no one will be forgiven.
35:46Okay?
35:47Sir, the thing is that whether the phone rings or not,
35:50we are sitting on them.
35:53This is above our pay grade.
35:55Everybody is paying.