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- Kashif Abbasi
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- Sahibzada Hamid Raza SIC
- Muhammad Malick (Senior Analyst)
Kashif Abbasi raises concerns over Pakistan's judicial system
Military courts sentence 25 civilians for May 9 riots - Kashif Abbasi Raises Important Questions
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, viewers. You are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:15Today, the government and opposition committees will finally have a discussion.
00:19We will come to that in a while.
00:21Today, the decision of the £190 million case was to be heard.
00:25This was announced by the Honourable Judge himself in the court.
00:29Our judicial system is something like this.
00:31Who will make the case? When will it be made? How will it go? Where will it go?
00:36Who will be the judge? Which date will the decision be announced?
00:40What will be the decision announced?
00:42The one who announces the decision has nothing to do with all these decisions.
00:47It has nothing to do with it.
00:49It has more to do with the decision makers.
00:53These decisions are political.
00:55First of all, it is a political decision.
00:57Usually, they reach the conclusion of who will go to jail and who will be in power.
01:05Then it becomes easy to make a case.
01:09Because it is not necessary to have material in the case.
01:12Only the intention of the punishment is enough.
01:14Today, the God of fortune is kind to Imran Khan.
01:17Now, when the bail was granted in the last case, as you saw a few days ago,
01:21then it was assumed that no case was left.
01:24Maybe Imran Khan will be released.
01:26It will have to be done.
01:27But this was against the political game.
01:30Because the current political demand was that Imran Khan will remain in jail for the time being.
01:34Otherwise, the government will be in trouble.
01:36That is why he was arrested in the Alpindi police station in the case of one of the hundreds of FIRs.
01:42By the way, it is not necessary to have a case or FIR.
01:45If you want to keep it, you can keep it in jail for a year or two.
01:49If you don't get anything, then 3 MPO is enough.
01:52If you have bail, then arrest again.
01:54It can be arrested 8-9 times.
01:56But sometimes a few crazy people in our country make a fuss about the process.
02:01Sometimes in the name of the process, it has to take legal support.
02:06That process is called the rule of law.
02:08Sir, there is a law in this country.
02:10And in our country, the legal way to keep in jail is called a court sentence.
02:16I am talking about politics.
02:18The common punishments in politics in this country are given for this reason.
02:23That is the legal way by which someone can be kept in jail.
02:27And when you have to go out and make a deal, how quickly things turn upside down.
02:34We have seen this all our lives.
02:36People go out of the country.
02:38Let's see what happens now.
02:41And when will the decision of 190 million pounds be needed?
02:46Therefore, the decision of the case may come soon.
02:49But in our country, who can stop the king of the jungle from laying an egg or a child?
02:55The 25 citizens involved in the 9th of May incident were sentenced by the military court after 1.5 years.
03:03On 13th December, the military court was allowed to announce the decision of the civilian cases on behalf of the Supreme Court.
03:12On behalf of ISPR, the decision of the 9th of May incident was declared as another milestone in the path of justice for the nation.
03:22It was also said by the military court that in true sense,
03:26complete justice will take place when the masterminds of 9th of May and the plotters will be punished according to the law.
03:35You can translate and explain this.
03:39Where is the indication?
03:41One thing is certain.
03:43The permission for what happened on 9th of May cannot be given in any country.
03:46No one can have this permission in the name of protest.
03:50Go anywhere, break things, set fire, burn houses.
03:54Some people think that if you consider them to be deviant, then you should forgive them.
03:59But if you look at America, other democracies do not allow such incidents without punishment.
04:05The reason for this is to set examples and to prevent anyone from doing such things in the future.
04:13But there is no such thing in the world that if you make a deal,
04:17your cases are settled, you meet them,
04:21if you ask for forgiveness, you get forgiveness,
04:24you are allowed to go, cases against you are stopped,
04:27the rest of the people remain in prison for years,
04:29and you make a deal and go home on bail.
04:32And if you are more fortunate,
04:35which is usually the case,
04:37you will join a king's party,
04:40and you will be able to fight elections.
04:43And not only that, you are also allowed to openly campaign.
04:47This is the Pakistan era.
04:49This has also happened in our country.
04:51One more thing that should not have happened,
04:57but it did happen in our country,
04:59as we see in movies,
05:01that a person is present at the same time in Karachi, Lahore, Rawalpindi, Sargodha and Mianwali.
05:08And such FIRs are against many people.
05:11Cases should be made, punishments should be given,
05:14but the impression should not be that people are being punished because of their political affiliations.
05:20There are many cases on politicians,
05:25that Shah Mehmood Qureshi was present in Karachi,
05:29but there are cases in different parts of Punjab,
05:31that he was found breaking things or entering a place.
05:36There are many such cases on many people in different cities.
05:40This should not happen.
05:42On 21 December, the European Union issued a warning on the punishment given by the military court.
05:51According to the warnings issued by the European External Action Service,
05:57these decisions are considered contrary to the responsibilities
06:03that Pakistan has accepted under the international laws of civil and political rights.
06:11According to Article 14 of the ICCPR,
06:15every person has the right to a fair and public case,
06:20which is free, non-partisan and eligible,
06:23and he has the right to an appropriate and effective legal representation.
06:27In the statement issued by the European Union,
06:29it is alarming to mention and say that GSP plus,
06:32to continue GSP plus, to act on these laws and make them credible,
06:37Pakistan has signed.
06:41GSP plus is extremely important for our exports.
06:47It is one of the most important and critical elements that are linked to our exports.
06:53I hope that we realize this and keep in mind that
07:00the way GSP plus was issued, we will keep an eye on it.
07:08As I said in the beginning,
07:10the time has come for negotiations between the government and the judicial committees.
07:16It is a good thing.
07:17I have always advocated that the negotiations should be between political parties.
07:24If someone can bring this country on the law,
07:27then these political parties can only bring it together.
07:30Otherwise, this country will not go there.
07:32But the insistence of the judicial committee was that
07:34if you want to talk, you have to do it only with the establishment.
07:37After repeated refusals from there,
07:39now it seems that the negotiations have started in the political parties.
07:42I was surprised to see that there are few options,
07:48but the judicial committee is desperate for negotiations.
07:52Because no one has anything to give in negotiations.
07:56What can the judicial committee give to the government?
07:58And for the government, only one thing is important at the moment,
08:02time.
08:03The system should work.
08:04And it has been decided that it will continue as it is.
08:08Has the PTI thought come that now we will have to make a deal?
08:12We have to get Imran Khan out.
08:14We have to wait for some time.
08:16It seems difficult because Imran Khan's statements contradict it.
08:21Because such a deal could have been made a year ago.
08:24What will come out of these negotiations?
08:26What can anyone give?
08:28Today is also the date of 2nd January.
08:31No one should be in a hurry to get a result.
08:34What is the future of these negotiations?
08:37We have Mr. Hamid Azhar with us.
08:39Assalam-o-Alaikum.
08:40There were issues on 2-3 weekends.
08:42It was necessary.
08:43And today there was an issue of 190 million,
08:45in which Safi was coming and saying that
08:47the decision was not made on 23rd December.
08:49I said, let me tell you what happened in it.
08:52You have summed it up.
08:56It is unfortunate.
08:57This is the reality of our country.
08:59There is no doubt.
09:00Tell me, sir,
09:01the negotiations that you have started,
09:04what is your expectation?
09:06I am asking a personal question.
09:08First talk about yourself,
09:09then I will go to the committee.
09:11I will not play negotiations.
09:14There are two things,
09:16which are a part of our Charter of Demand.
09:19Our demands and conditions have been set.
09:23And neither of them is time-taking.
09:26For example,
09:27the government thinks that
09:28we are responsible in the 9th May.
09:30We think that we are not responsible.
09:32Someone else is responsible.
09:33So what is the best way?
09:35The best way is to make a Judicial Commission,
09:37consisting of the senior judges of the Supreme Court.
09:40To find out who is speaking the truth,
09:42who is lying.
09:43And after that,
09:44if the punishment is carried out,
09:45then no one will object to it.
09:46Do you think they will make it?
09:48No, sir.
09:49Let me ask you a question.
09:51You are a straight man.
09:52You give a straight answer.
09:53Will the Commission of 26th November and 9th May be made?
09:59It depends on the situation in the next 10-15 days.
10:03On what basis?
10:04What situation are you talking about?
10:05There are two conditions.
10:06Seasonal?
10:07No.
10:08Political?
10:09American?
10:10I am not talking about America.
10:11I am talking about the overall international pressure.
10:13If that pressure,
10:14like the punishment was given to 25 accused,
10:18and after that,
10:19by the European Union,
10:20you think that
10:21in the last 10 days of Christmas Eve,
10:24no one is available.
10:26And on Sunday,
10:27your office is closed,
10:28but one or two people are available.
10:30And then,
10:31this kind of detail.
10:32Has that person written this message?
10:34Sir,
10:35they have taken it this way.
10:36Seriously,
10:37they have taken it this way?
10:38Yes,
10:39that's what I am saying, sir.
10:40Actually,
10:41on 26th May,
10:42the massacre that took place,
10:43After 26th November?
10:44Sorry,
10:45after 26th November.
10:46After that,
10:47things have changed dramatically.
10:48Because,
10:49before that,
10:50there was a denial,
10:51that the bullets were not fired.
10:52Then,
10:53it was said that,
10:54the gunmen of Ali Ameen Gandapur fired.
10:55Then,
10:56it was said that,
10:57the air was fired.
10:58Then,
10:59it was said that,
11:00if there are corpses,
11:01give their names.
11:02Today,
11:03we have given their names.
11:04I have told them.
11:05Do they accept the off the record?
11:066,
11:077,
11:088,
11:09do they accept?
11:10Yes,
11:11they do.
11:12Now,
11:13there are 13.
11:14Now,
11:15there are about 200 missing.
11:16How much does the government accept off the record?
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