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Government's changing stance on Negotiation - Maria Memon's report
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- Barrister Aqeel Malik PMLN
Government's changing stance on Negotiation - Maria Memon's report
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Is Maulana, PTI going to unite??Asad Qaiser told everything
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Maria Memon with the program Sawale Ke Saath.
00:14We can see the end of today's top stories.
00:17It was a new wall, but now it has been formally finished.
00:21Who is more responsible for this?
00:23We will talk about this in the first part of the program.
00:25After that, why was the Government Commission so late?
00:27Was this also a reason that since the government was not showing any intention,
00:30Tariq Insaaf called off the negotiations?
00:33We will talk about this in the program.
00:35In the end, we will tell you the story of those four bills,
00:39which were passed so quickly in 10 minutes,
00:41that no one got a chance to read it, nor did the President get a chance to show his written objections.
00:46Let's start.
00:47Tariq Insaaf announced to end the negotiations.
00:50A tweet was also made from Mr. Khan's Twitter account.
00:53But Mr. Gauhar, who is the chairman of PTI, made an official announcement.
00:58He also expressed his regret.
01:00Let's listen to this.
01:02Mr. Khan has made a big announcement today.
01:04We had given him seven days.
01:06It is a pity that there was no announcement from the government till now.
01:10Therefore, Mr. Khan called off the negotiations today.
01:13Irfan Siddiqui's heart was sad on the other side.
01:17He looked disappointed.
01:19He said, what was the hurry?
01:21It was a matter of a few days.
01:22Let the negotiations take place.
01:24Why did he call off the negotiations?
01:26Let's listen to this.
01:44Can this be reconsidered?
01:46Mr. Salman Akram Raja said this today.
01:48He said that there is no need to wait till 31st.
01:52If the government still shows sincerity, then these negotiations can be resumed.
01:58Mr. Khan can focus on this.
02:00If they want to show sincerity, then there is no need to wait till 31st.
02:05Show sincerity today.
02:06Mr. Imran Khan will focus on this.
02:08What will be the scale of sincerity?
02:10Because Tariq Insaaf wants a judicial commission.
02:13The government has a different opinion on this.
02:16Some bigwigs, like Rana Sannaullah and Irfan Siddiqui,
02:20do not outrightly reject the commission.
02:23But then comes Khawaja Asif and the Information Minister.
02:27We consider the Information Minister to be the government's translator.
02:30If he says that there will be no commission,
02:32will he not consider it the policy of the Shahbaz government?
02:35Anyway, let's listen to the voice of the PMLN regarding the commission.
02:41What difficulties did the commission face?
02:44No difficulties.
02:45When did we say that there will be no commission?
02:47We have no difficulties.
02:48We are focusing on this.
02:49If there were any difficulties, we would have said that there will be no commission.
02:51Their chatter and demand proves that apart from propagandizing on social media,
02:58they don't do anything else.
03:00Now you tell me, what should we say about this?
03:02On 9th May and 26th November, there is no question of commission.
03:07When trials are going on in both these cases,
03:09then what commission should be made?
03:10Is there any doubt?
03:12Politics is a very interesting thing.
03:14Opinions keep changing on it.
03:15They are also toned down.
03:17Then sometimes the rhetoric increases.
03:19Regarding negotiations,
03:20this interest has been seen in the changing opinions of the government.
03:25We should be united in the best interests of Pakistan,
03:28above our personal likes and dislikes.
03:31We have to talk about everything,
03:33but the conversation should be unconditional.
03:37What has happened in the last 15-20 days,
03:39that we are suddenly engaged in a negotiation?
03:41And the committee makes a committee on its own.
03:44What is the secret behind this?
03:45I don't understand.
03:47They don't want any meaningful negotiations to start.
03:52They repeatedly say that we want to talk to the GHQ,
03:56we don't want to talk to any political force.
03:58If they are negotiating with us,
04:01then they should talk to us according to our situation.
04:04On 9th May and 26th November,
04:06there is no question of commission.
04:08When trials are going on in both cases,
04:10then what kind of commission will be made?
04:13The position of justice has also been changing on the negotiations.
04:16Look at it.
04:19We are not ready to talk to these three political parties,
04:21which are part of the government.
04:23We will talk to the power here.
04:25They are dummies.
04:26A committee has been formed under the leadership of Omar Ayyub,
04:29which will negotiate and for some negotiations.
04:32There are five members of the committee.
04:34Negotiations may be successful from the front door,
04:36or from the back door,
04:37but the negotiations should be successful in every way.
04:39And they should be serious about it.
04:41They should sit down and find a solution.
04:43We understand the source of power,
04:45and it is a fact that it is the establishment,
04:47not the political parties.
04:48How confident are you about the negotiations with the government committees?
04:51Not very much.
04:52And how confident are you about Mr. Gandapur's speech?
04:54Look, it is possible that something will happen.
04:56These are the negotiations that are taking place,
04:58or there is some secret talk going on.
05:00We have not made such an effort.
05:01Neither are we considering it,
05:03nor are there any connections in our backdoor channel.
05:05If this third meeting of the Negotiating Committee takes place
05:08without meeting Mr. Imran Khan,
05:10and after that third meeting,
05:12the Judicial Commission is not formed on 9th May and 26th November,
05:16then maybe the fourth meeting will not take place after that.
05:20In the first part of the program,
05:21Mr. Asad Kaisar,
05:22the former Speaker of the National Assembly,
05:23Renewal of Pakistan,
05:24Justice,
05:25Senior Renewal,
05:26and many others who are in such an alliance,
05:27and are also leading these matters,
05:29are present with us.
05:30Thank you very much, Mr. Asad,
05:31for joining us.
05:32The first question,
05:33which is obvious and logical,
05:35is that on 28th,
05:36the Government is calling for the next meeting of this committee.
05:40We spoke to Mr. Ijaz-ul-Haq,
05:42he has notified him,
05:43the Government must know.
05:45You have been officially notified,
05:47and if you have been notified,
05:48will you go?
05:51Thank you very much, Maria.
05:54We have received the notification,
05:56and have just received it.
05:59First of all,
06:00you have laid out a very good history.
06:05We want political reform to take place,
06:09but it is the responsibility of the Government
06:11to create such an environment.
06:14It moves forward a few steps,
06:16but the Government,
06:17as you are saying,
06:18we could have put a lot of demands.
06:21We have put very limited demands.
06:24So we have put these demands,
06:25that you should make a commission.
06:27By commission,
06:28I do not mean that
06:29we want people of our age to sit.
06:32We want both to be mutually acceptable,
06:36and they should be senior political leaders,
06:38who work hard and do justice.
06:41We demand justice.
06:43Right.
06:44So that we know who is in the wrong,
06:46and whoever is in the wrong,
06:48they should be brought to justice.
06:50Secondly,
06:51as you said,
06:52we are talking about the release of our prisoners.
06:54All the cases that have been filed,
06:56have been bogus cases.
06:57And we did not say that
06:59you should terminate us with an injunctive order.
07:01In fact,
07:02we said that
07:03the pressure on the courts should be removed.
07:05Rana Sinhaullah,
07:06Asad Qaisar,
07:07are saying on record
07:08that it was your wish
07:10that they should be released through an executive order.
07:12They are saying this on record,
07:13that doing this was out of the scope of the Government,
07:15so it could not be done.
07:17This is absolutely wrong.
07:19If anyone says that
07:20we have done this for three days,
07:22we say that
07:23we will follow the judicial procedures.
07:26But you have put pressure on the judiciary.
07:35You should remove the pressure.
07:36According to that,
07:37we have an executive order.
07:38Sir,
07:39did you also have a wish
07:41that the Government should take control of the prosecution
07:44and facilitate you from there?
07:46Did you also express this wish?
07:49No,
07:50we did this much.
07:52Madam,
07:53you yourself understand
07:54how much pressure there is on the courts,
07:56how much is being managed.
07:58The arrangements that you make,
08:00there is pressure from the institutions,
08:02there is pressure from the Government.
08:04You should remove that pressure.
08:06Let the judge decide according to the merit,
08:08so that we can move forward.
08:10Right.
08:11So, on 28th,
08:12you have also decided.
08:13Will you go to this meeting?
08:15No,
08:16we have not decided yet.
08:17We have told them.
08:19We have told them to this extent
08:21that if you tell us the intent
08:23that you want to make a commission,
08:25then also we can do it.
08:26But they are not telling us the intent.
08:28They are not talking.
08:29It is a meeting.
08:30It will not be called a meeting.
08:32Now,
08:33we are just trying.
08:35Today,
08:36they have passed a bill.
08:39Especially,
08:40they have passed the PICA Act,
08:42which will be passed by the media.
08:46And,
08:47they are going two steps ahead of Marshalla.
08:50Right.
08:51So,
08:52at this time,
08:53it is the right of the whole nation
08:54that they should come forward for their rights.
08:55Especially,
08:56they have to come forward
08:57for their rights
08:58from Kana Baradari,
08:59Legal Fraternity,
09:00Civil Society,
09:01Human Rights Organization,
09:02your companions,
09:03everyone should come forward.
09:05This is taking away our rights.
09:07Right.
09:08Everyone should come forward for their rights.
09:09Right.
09:10On 28th,
09:11you said that
09:12you are playing meetings.
09:13But,
09:14it is five days now.
09:15Will you meet Mr. Khan
09:16and seek his guidance?
09:18Can this decision be changed?
09:20Or,
09:21is this final?
09:22That the negotiations are over?
09:23Or,
09:24can this decision be changed
09:25after meeting Mr. Khan?
09:26No,
09:27we have not met Mr. Khan yet.
09:29You know that
09:30on Monday,
09:31we had committed
09:32that we will meet him on Monday.
09:34He has such a big responsibility
09:36that he could not even meet us.
09:38He is a dummy.
09:39And,
09:40you know that
09:41he is the progenitor of the Palestinian people.
09:43He has no respect for the people.
09:45He is passing bills
09:47against the public interest.
09:49He is passing bills
09:51against the interests of the people.
09:53So,
09:54he is a dummy.
09:55And,
09:56his politics is over.
09:57I think
09:58that
09:59we need to get out of our ego.
10:01We need to get out of Pakistan.
10:03We need to fight for the constitution
10:05in Pakistan.
10:06Right.
10:07But,
10:08the negotiations will continue.
10:09You see,
10:10if we talk about this today,
10:11a lot of people say that
10:13you should have waited for 5 days.
10:15You did not wait for 5 days.
10:17If you say that
10:19Bagh is not ready,
10:21you should have let them get exposed.
10:23You should have gone to the 31st.
10:24You should have negotiated.
10:25They would not have been able to deliver.
10:26They would have got exposed badly.
10:27You ended the negotiation
10:29and gave them the excuse
10:30that you do not want to sit.
10:32You blamed them for the shift.
10:36No,
10:37the immediate issue is that
10:38the chairman of the government,
10:39he is a member of the press conference.
10:41He is a member of the committee.
10:43And,
10:44the attack on him,
10:46the report that was sent to arrest him.
10:48So,
10:49what kind of drama is this?
10:50On one hand,
10:51you are not forgiving the committee members.
10:54You are not forgiving our chairman.
10:56Somehow,
10:57you are not accepting our legal and legal rights.
10:59So,
11:00what do we have?
11:01What kind of negotiations do we have with you?
11:02Here,
11:03you were not even calling us to the press conference.
11:05Here,
11:06you are telling us to negotiate.
11:07For that,
11:08we need the responsibility of the government.
11:09If the government understands
11:11that they are making a commission,
11:15then after that,
11:16we will talk to our leader, Imran Khan,
11:19and he will decide.
11:20But,
11:21if we put Mr. Tardar's statement aside,
11:24some people do not take him seriously even in his government.
11:26But,
11:27Rana Sanaullah
11:28and Irfan Siddiqui
11:30did not outrightly reject
11:32not making the commission.
11:33They did not say that the commission cannot be made.
11:36No,
11:37when they say the information minister,
11:39the information minister is the spokesperson of the government.
11:41Yes,
11:42that is right.
11:43The policy comes from the information minister.
11:45If they say that the commission cannot be made,
11:47then on whom will we trust?
11:49We will consider the information minister
11:51as the policy of the government.
11:55So,
11:56the rest of the people
11:57who are a part of the committee,
11:58Irfan Siddiqui,
11:59you do not see any weight in their words
12:01when they say that
12:02we will not reject the commission.
12:04They do not reject the commission.
12:06It can be made.
12:08No,
12:09look,
12:10Madam has told you that
12:12the information minister
12:14is the spokesperson of the government.
12:16Yes,
12:17yes.
12:18So,
12:19when they say it outrightly,
12:21then what is left to doubt?
12:23Yes,
12:24that is right.
12:25Now,
12:26what is the next step?
12:27You are not negotiating now.
12:28Did you get a call
12:30from the speaker's office
12:31or were you contacted
12:32to come to the 28th meeting
12:34and have a conversation?
12:36How much will it cost?
12:38No,
12:39at the moment,
12:40we do not have anyone
12:41to participate in this.
12:43Okay.
12:44Because,
12:45as I told you,
12:46first the commission,
12:47after that,
12:48the rest will be fine.
12:49Now,
12:50what is the next step?
12:51You gave a chance to the negotiations,
12:52but that also did not succeed.
12:54There is only one way left,
12:56that we should organize ourselves.
12:58Okay.
12:59We should gather all the opposition parties.
13:01Now,
13:02the civil society,
13:03and the media,
13:04all of them,
13:05because there is a need
13:06for them to come to the country.
13:08Otherwise,
13:09there will be no action.
13:11Otherwise,
13:12there will be no care
13:13for anyone in the country.
13:14So,
13:15if we say that
13:16this is the strategy
13:17to heat up the streets,
13:18will we mobilize on the streets?
13:20First of all,
13:21our plan is that
13:23all the intelligentsia,
13:26the political parties,
13:27the commission,
13:28and the media,
13:30and all the different parties,
13:32we will call them,
13:33and we will have a debate with them,
13:37and we will have a referendum,
13:39so that we can see
13:40what we can do in this situation.
13:42So,
13:43we want to mobilize the people
13:44in our decisions.
13:45Right.
13:46You have also spoken
13:47to Maulana Sahib.
13:48What is the probability
13:50that he will join
13:51your opposition party?
13:53Is it possible?
13:55Did Maulana Sahib
13:56show any consent
13:57or any interest in this?
13:59I spoke to him yesterday
14:01in ODA Khan.
14:04We will meet him
14:05on Monday or Tuesday,
14:06God willing.
14:07And,
14:08we will see.
14:09Because,
14:10we are one party.
14:12We don't want
14:13to form a political party.
14:15We are one party.
14:16We will come together
14:17to solve this problem.
14:19But,
14:20isn't it a little late,
14:21Mr. Asad Qaisar,
14:22if you had spoken
14:23to the government,
14:24to the big communities,
14:25to Mr. Achak Zahid,
14:26to Mr. Maulana,
14:27if they were with you,
14:28then the chance
14:29would have increased.
14:30If you look at your
14:31Guzakirati committee,
14:32they have kept
14:33other communities there,
14:34People's Party,
14:35even Mr. Jaz-ul-Haq.
14:36They have given
14:37a representative there.
14:38If your committee
14:39had more members,
14:40wouldn't it have
14:41been a heavy burden?
14:42No, actually,
14:43Mr. Achak Zahid
14:44spoke to me
14:45very clearly
14:46that he does not
14:47consider my government
14:48to be a legitimate government.
14:49He considers it
14:50to be a legal government
14:51and I am not
14:52ready to sit with him.
14:53Yes,
14:54the House is also ready
14:55to tell us
14:56when we
14:57can meet
14:58and if
14:59we can talk
15:00within the limits
15:01of the law.
15:02Otherwise,
15:03we will not
15:04sit with him.
15:05Similarly,
15:06Mr. Mahindra
15:07and Mr. Maulana
15:08have their own
15:09opportunities.
15:10Anyway,
15:11now we are
15:12trying to
15:13make a grand
15:14agenda
15:15and move
15:16Pakistan
15:17forward
15:18according to
15:19that agenda.
15:20The government
15:21says that
15:22because of
15:23the light-hearted
15:24interaction
15:25with your
15:26party,
15:27you have
15:28lost
15:29hope.
15:30Did the
15:31conversation
15:32end there?
15:33No,
15:34there was
15:35no conversation
15:36there.
15:37There was
15:38a security meeting
15:39and we
15:40were discussing
15:41it.
15:42Sir,
15:43your party
15:44people say
15:45that we
15:46were talking
15:47directly and
15:48indirectly.
15:49They have
15:50confirmed it
15:51on many
15:52issues.
15:53I am
15:54asking
15:55you
15:56to
15:57expand
15:58your
15:59alliance.
16:00We
16:01saw
16:02Mr.
16:03Achak
16:04Zahid
16:05and other
16:06people
16:07were
16:08inactive
16:09for
16:103-4
16:11months.
16:12How
16:13will
16:14this
16:15alliance
16:16change
16:17now?
16:18The
16:19current
16:20situation
16:21is that
16:22Mr.
16:23Achak
16:24Zahid
16:25is in
16:26Balochistan
16:27at the
16:28moment.
16:29He
16:30will
16:31meet
16:32Mr.
16:33Akhtar
16:34Bangal
16:35and we
16:36will
16:37engage
16:38Mr.
16:39Marwan
16:40Baloch
16:41as well.
16:42We
16:43have to
16:44engage
16:45everyone
16:46and we
16:47have to
16:48move
16:49forward.
16:50We
16:51are all
16:52Pakistanis
16:53and we
16:54want to
16:55change
16:56our
16:57system.
16:58We
16:59have all
17:00the
17:01talents
17:02and we
17:03are
17:04going to
17:05go
17:06far.
17:07We
17:08are
17:09going to
17:10do
17:11this
17:12better.
17:13We
17:14are
17:15going to
17:16do
17:17this
17:18better.
17:19We
17:20are
17:21going to
17:22Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf, the government and the Negotiating Committee.
17:27How hopeful are they?
17:29Or should we really consider the chapter of negotiations to be closed?
17:32We will talk to Mr. Jaz-ul-Haq in the program.
17:34He is also a member of the Government Negotiating Committee.
17:36Barrister Aqeel Malik.
17:37He is the President of Pakistan Muslimic Nawaz.
17:39Today we saw in the National Assembly that Chairman PSC has also been elected.
17:42We will talk about that as well.
17:44I think if we start with that, Mr. Aqeel, why did you ask for a panel for Chairman PSC?
17:48You have kept a new tradition.
17:50Usually, the name that is recommended, that name is accepted.
17:56Why did you ask for a panel?
17:58Thank you very much.
18:00There is no tradition like this.
18:02And there is no such thing in the rules.
18:04The rules of the House, the rules of business and procedure,
18:08it is not that you have to take it from the opposition.
18:11It can happen from anywhere.
18:13And it can happen with coincidence.
18:16This is for sure.
18:17But there is a tradition.
18:19When the Charter of Democracy was established,
18:21after that, it is taken from the opposition.
18:24We asked for a panel because there is no such thing.
18:28Why?
18:29It doesn't happen in the last 10-15 years.
18:31I think it didn't happen after 2008.
18:33It didn't happen after 2008.
18:35But this is a good tradition to understand.
18:39And there were 4-5 candidates.
18:41I saw one candidate.
18:43He is also the Leader of the Opposition.
18:45But I think it is a good thing.
18:47It is a pool.
18:48And with a lot of opinion,
18:50with a lot of coincidence,
18:52I congratulate Junaid Akbar.
18:54I think he is a very reasonable man.
18:56He has a very balanced approach.
18:58He speaks on facts.
19:01He takes a stated position.
19:04So there is no politics in it.
19:06So you won't be able to claim the Charter of Democracy
19:08when you have to appoint the chairman of PSE.
19:10Because then the next government will ask you to give a panel.
19:13Because this happened last time.
19:15Now this is a new method.
19:17It is a good thing.
19:18But this is again not a precedent to go by as such.
19:21I think there is a lot of polarization in that party.
19:24On this whole matter.
19:26Everybody was vying for this seat.
19:28Everybody was fighting.
19:30You talk about Waqas Akram.
19:32You talk about Omar Ayub.
19:34You talk about Sher Afzal.
19:35They pulled each other's legs.
19:37So you wanted to take advantage of that politics.
19:39No, it was a coincidence.
19:41So you wanted to take advantage of that politics.
19:43It is politics.
19:45We didn't even think that there is such an unreasonable matter
19:48in which there is only politics.
19:50Because this is an apex on the whole matter.
19:58As a watchdog on government expenditure.
20:03On that whole matter.
20:05The money of the people,
20:07which is being used for welfare work.
20:09Which is being used for government projects.
20:11So I think it was rather than politicizing it.
20:14It was better to have a good, reasonable approach.
20:19I think it is a stellar choice.
20:21Okay, we are happy with this.
20:22Mr. Ijaz, can you hear me?
20:24Yes, I can hear you.
20:25Yes, yes.
20:26If we talk about negotiations.
20:29Today, Tariq-e-Insaaf said that if the government still,
20:33Mr. Salman Akram Rajan was talking about this.
20:35To be very precise.
20:36To show some sincerity.
20:37Then maybe the path of negotiations can be opened again.
20:40Do you think there is any life in the negotiations?
20:43Or is this a closed chapter?
20:45Which is especially this phase.
20:47In which there were two negotiating committees.
20:48Of the government and Tariq-e-Insaaf.
20:51Look, Maria.
20:54I will bring its background a little bit.
20:57After that, we will talk about the next.
21:00I am very sad.
21:01The way this negotiation was ended.
21:04Because the people of Pakistan,
21:07Indians, foreigners,
21:09Pakistanis had high hopes that maybe a way will come out.
21:13First, the good news was that,
21:16PTI took the initiative.
21:20And first they made a committee.
21:22After making the committee, they went to the speaker.
21:25They said to the speaker,
21:27We have made a committee,
21:29Now you also tell the government to make a committee.
21:31The speaker then put pressure on the government.
21:34He also talked to them.
21:37And made them agree that,
21:39Yes, you made a committee.
21:41And the government also increased a little bit.
21:44They put almost all their followers in the committee.
21:49And it meant that,
21:52They agreed.
21:53And when the government agrees,
21:55It means that,
21:56Everybody who is associated with it,
22:01They were all on board that,
22:04Yes, the committee is being made.
22:06And with a very happy style,
22:09With a good style,
22:12I think there was a conversation in that committee.
22:15And I was very happy.
22:16I went out on TV.
22:18And I also told people that,
22:20The people who I thought were hawks and hardliners,
22:23These are the most flexible people.
22:25They want me to give a speech.
22:27And I praised Ali Ameen Ghandapur,
22:30Asad Kaisar,
22:32Allama Ali.
22:33So where did the matter go wrong?
22:35Everything was going very well.
22:37So where did the matter go wrong?
22:39If I ask you,
22:41Who is more responsible,
22:43For the failure of these speeches?
22:45Look,
22:47I don't say that I am neutral.
22:51I don't want to take the side of the government.
22:54I don't want to take the side of the opposition.
22:56Some people think that,
22:58I have a soft corner on both sides.
23:00And maybe that too.
23:02There were three more days left.
23:05That is, you wait for three days.
23:07You had a ball in the court of a good government.
23:11You picked it up and put it in your court.
23:13That is, you have turned all the guns towards you.
23:18That you agreed yourself,
23:20Five times,
23:22Five times,
23:24The joint press note was read.
23:26Five times,
23:28The PTI and the opposition requested,
23:30Read it again.
23:32Read it again.
23:34And it was read without hesitation.
23:36They agreed unanimously,
23:38On seven working days.
23:40And I think it was seven working days.
23:42Salman Akhund Raje met Imran Khan after that.
23:46And told him,
23:48That we have agreed that there will be seven working days.
23:51The seven working days were ending on the 28th.
23:53According to that,
23:55I am saying about the seriousness of the government,
23:57That they were serious,
23:59That we had two meetings.
24:01But Mr. Jadhul Haq, how serious were they?
24:03Again and again on record,
24:05Whether it is Mr. Rana Sanaullah,
24:07The rest of the government ministers,
24:09They say that the Judicial Commission will not be formed.
24:11Show us a statement where they said,
24:13Yes, there is a possibility.
24:15The condition of the Judicial Commission was outrightly rejected.
24:17So where is the seriousness in this?
24:19Look, it was outrightly rejected,
24:21Because,
24:23I had also asked this question,
24:25When the BTI people were sitting,
24:27In the third negotiating committee,
24:29I had asked them to tell,
24:31Can you dictate to the Supreme Court of Pakistan,
24:37That we only need three senior judges,
24:39Chief Justice will agree to this,
24:41They can go and ask the Supreme Court,
24:43Whether they will agree or not.
24:45That was the first thing.
24:47The second thing that was very serious in this,
24:49Was that,
24:51The cases which are subjudice,
24:55Can another commission be formed on them?
24:57Meaning,
24:59The subjudice cases,
25:01Which are going on in the lower courts,
25:03If you assign a Supreme Court,
25:05To the senior judges of the Supreme Court,
25:07Then those junior judges,
25:09In the sense that,
25:11They are of the magistrate level,
25:13Or additional session judge,
25:15Will they be able to dispense the law?
25:19Will they be able to dispense justice?
25:21And in this tradition,
25:23I want to come to that,
25:25Because I want to move the conversation forward,
25:27The reason for not making a judicial commission,
25:29Will be your political objectives,
25:31Outrightly,
25:33When you people will reject.
25:35No, no, it has not been rejected yet.
25:37No, no, sir,
25:39Because this narrative of many things,
25:41Is also being made on television,
25:43When Dr. Rana Sinhawala gave a press conference,
25:45He said that a commission cannot be formed,
25:47So, this narrative of negotiations,
25:49Is only a condition of a commission,
25:51If it cannot be formed,
25:53Then do you think,
25:55That even after three days,
25:57You people will still say that,
25:59A commission is not being formed?
26:01Maria Sahiba, I will definitely say this,
26:03That the media,
26:05Has certainly played a part in this,
26:07Which has given such an impression,
26:09That a commission cannot be formed.
26:11In fact, cases aside,
26:13One thing that Mr. Ijaz-ul-Haq said,
26:15That the commission's proceedings,
26:17Which are going on in the ATC,
26:19Having said that,
26:21I will definitely say this,
26:23That there is no objection,
26:25That a commission cannot be formed,
26:27It can be formed,
26:29But there is a disparity in their own demand,
26:31On one side, they are asking for a judicial commission,
26:33But they say that a commission should be formed,
26:35Under the Commission of Inquiries Act 2017,
26:37In which the government can only make
26:39An Inquiry Commission.
26:41Then they asked for a Chief Justice,
26:43And they said that if not,
26:45Then three judges,
26:47So if these three judges,
26:49Or the Chief Justice,
26:51Refuse, then how can we move forward?
26:53They are giving you three options,
26:55Instead of giving you a strict option,
26:57They said,
26:59Either there will be a Chief Justice,
27:01Or there will be three senior judges,
27:03Of the Supreme Court,
27:05And these two options,
27:07But they gave a reference of the law,
27:09In which only an Inquiry Commission can be formed,
27:11Which can be formed by the federal government,
27:13They themselves gave the TORs,
27:15Fair enough,
27:17Whatever was in them,
27:19They could not have given the TORs,
27:21TORs had to be formed together,
27:23And this is the job of the federal government,
27:25This is the prerogative of the federal government,
27:27That you have to make TORs,
27:29You have to make commissions,
27:31So there was no final view on this,
27:33That whether we will make it or not,
27:35After that,
27:37These TORs will be formed,
27:39After that the middle ground will be found,
27:41You are right,
27:43But,
27:45If Mr. Imran Khan is frustrated,
27:47After the decision of £190 million,
27:49And if he feels,
27:51He has decided on his own,
27:53That this government will not be formed,
27:55Because on record,
27:57No one has come and said,
27:59Who is the spokesperson?
28:01It is Irfan Siddiqui,
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