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00:00The drugs, the cocaine, it doesn't end well.
00:05It doesn't end well.
00:07It never ends well.
00:09No one can handle it.
00:11At some point, it gets complicated.
00:14It's a hallucination.
00:16And it gets complicated badly.
00:18It gets complicated with serious consequences.
00:21And we were talking a little while ago.
00:24Unfortunately, we got to the memory of Emily.
00:27On the other side, we have Emily's father.
00:30How are you? How are you doing?
00:32Thank you for attending us.
00:34Remembering, Aristides,
00:37unfortunately, the tragic end of your daughter.
00:40What analysis, after a while,
00:42with a distance, a certain distance,
00:45the wound never heals,
00:47what analysis do you make of this?
00:52Hello, good afternoon.
00:54How are you?
00:55Good afternoon. What analysis do you make of this, Aristides?
00:59The situation today of Emily's case is that
01:03all the tests show that she was healthy,
01:08that she was hit behind the head in the window,
01:13that's why the window was...
01:15Broken.
01:16Too broken.
01:17And that they murdered her,
01:19that they took her out of the window.
01:21That's what they have today in the file.
01:27There is no evidence of a supposed psychotic outbreak,
01:37none of that,
01:38even we presented in the file a report of a psychiatrist.
01:43In this case, that's why we didn't want to compare it,
01:47but in this case, what you said,
01:49what you said in the information,
01:51now, Pablito, you explain it to me,
01:53wouldn't there have been a psychotic outbreak?
01:56What do you say?
01:57Hold on a minute, Aristides.
01:59As Aristides says, this is not confirmed,
02:02but it is confirmed that there was cocaine and tuzi consumption
02:07and that there was a situation that was recorded by phone
02:11where Emily shouts and asks for help.
02:14Now, for justice, this case is under investigation,
02:18and I'm going to show you some graphics
02:20because there were experts who worked a lot
02:22and determined how Emily fell.
02:25And here is what, in some way,
02:27ends up giving Aristides the reason.
02:29I don't know if they will be able to determine
02:31that Emily was lifted and thrown by the balcony.
02:35But there what the father says is that there was...
02:37By the balcony, by the window.
02:39Remember that Emily goes out to a balcony asking for help
02:43and this is recorded by the witnesses.
02:45She asks for help, she says, they are killing me.
02:47Hold on there.
02:48Aristides, tell me exactly, repeat to me
02:50what you were telling me when you started telling me.
02:53What do you have as information?
02:55What is precisely in the cause that you want to highlight?
02:59Can you repeat, please?
03:01You said that she was hit previously,
03:04that they threw her off the balcony.
03:06They hit her previously, perfect.
03:08What I say is not speculation, what I think.
03:13What I say is scientific.
03:15The experts say that.
03:18The expert, Henrique Pregue,
03:20analyzed the injuries of the body.
03:24Because the doctors analyze what type of injury it is.
03:29But they don't analyze the biomechanics of the injuries.
03:33They don't analyze the parabola of the fall.
03:36What does that are the experts.
03:38That's why I hired the expert
03:40to analyze the biomechanics of the injuries
03:44that he found in the photos of the first autopsy.
03:47That behind Emily's head, there were injuries.
03:51And inside those injuries,
03:54there were pieces of white ink from the window.
03:58And that's not from the fall.
04:00Yes.
04:01Behind the head, it's not from the impact with the ground.
04:05Hold on, Aristides, because we have...
04:07Emily fell from a low place on the ground.
04:11Not from behind the head.
04:13Hold on a minute, Aristides. Thank you.
04:15Thank you for being here.
04:17...of what you're saying in a document.
04:19You know that this case also used 3D technology
04:23to present the signs of what could be a crime,
04:28where there are two people involved,
04:30beyond the fact that, for now, they are still free.
04:35Now, when we finish the show,
04:38I'll be able to point it out to you, because it's interesting.
04:41You're going to be able to contrast the version of Sáenz Valiente
04:45and the woman who took Emily to that house
04:48with these images.
04:50That's why Foco, Aristides' father,
04:53who we have on the other side,
04:55focuses on what we're seeing in what will be the first plate.
04:59Injuries that are outside the impact area.
05:02Of course. What does that mean?
05:04It's like a kind of scuffling, forcing.
05:08A blow.
05:10You have...
05:12First, you hear her screaming,
05:15saying,
05:16-"I've been punctured." Number one.
05:18Yes.
05:19You find a syringe containing a substance called ketamine.
05:25Right?
05:26Let's see, guys, if we can put the...
05:29Let's go with the previous one.
05:31The first one, please.
05:32The first one.
05:33The head...
05:34The representation...
05:36The first one had traces of paint from the window
05:41on the head,
05:43so that wasn't a product of the fall.
05:46What the father says...
05:48What the father is saying is that the blow he had
05:52on the neck...
05:54It's prior to the fall.
05:56It's prior to the blow because it has traces of paint
05:59from the window.
06:00That's what the father said.
06:02The expertise determines that there are several blows.
06:05One of them is prior to the fall,
06:08which is a scratch behind the ear
06:10and two marks on the neck.
06:12Yes.
06:13But there are also traces of paint on Emily's head.
06:18How do you make a paint stain?
06:21How do you transfer the paint from a window
06:24to the girl's head if the girl throws herself?
06:27Well, because someone hits her,
06:29or she would hit herself...
06:31Or she would hit herself prior to the fall.
06:33But when you see the picture of the window,
06:36you realize that there was a situation
06:38of extreme violence in that place.
06:41Yes.
06:42Now, you say,
06:43but could a person have thrown another person
06:45through the window?
06:46Yes.
06:47And well, if Emily could have jumped through the window
06:50as a result of a blow,
06:52why didn't that blow have...
06:54The other person.
06:55Exactly.
06:56To have had the blow, the other person.
06:58The other person and...
06:59What does it help to be brave?
07:01No one calls 911.
07:03And you rarely call 911.
07:05Not you, right?
07:06I'm telling you figuratively.
07:07Yes, yes.
07:08No one calls 911 saying,
07:09I'm going to kill someone,
07:10unless you're setting up a blockade.
07:13To kill later.
07:14Automatically.
07:16Automatically.
07:18Automatic...
07:19No, before the blockade.
07:20No, no, I mean,
07:21that's why the blockade arises automatically
07:23before the blockade.
07:25Let's see, you have a woman.
07:27I'll put you on the scene.
07:28Yes.
07:29You have a whole series of neighbors
07:30and a woman goes out to ask for help
07:32and for help because something was happening in that building.
07:34Okay, but she goes out to ask for help because supposedly...
07:37Because they were attacking her.
07:38Because supposedly she was pricked with ketamine.
07:40Yes.
07:41Yes?
07:42No, no, we don't know when, if before or after.
07:44Because...
07:45But the audio is heard.
07:46That's why.
07:47They pricked me.
07:48Of course.
07:49She says, they pricked me.
07:50But what happens?
07:51She goes out to the balcony to ask for help
07:53and she is seen by other people.
07:55As if they were witnesses
07:57of something that was happening there
07:59and she didn't know what it was.
08:01The situation of being pricked could have happened
08:04after that, wanting to calm her down.
08:07But you can't calm a person down with ketamine.
08:09Well, here you have a doctor on the scene.
08:12You have a doctor, a syringe,
08:13and the syringe appeared with the rest of the ketamine.
08:15I don't know what a person calms down with.
08:17Maybe, yes, maybe not.
08:19They may have wanted to put her to sleep.
08:20I don't know what they may have wanted to do.
08:21But sorry, no one can calm down another
08:23if they are not a doctor with ketamine.
08:25I'm not a doctor, but I mean...
08:28Was she a doctor?
08:29Yes, she was a doctor.
08:31Magallanes, the woman who takes Emily.
08:33She was a doctor who was there.
08:36But I say, why the blockade?
08:38Why could it have been called 911 in the blockade?
08:40Because there were many witnesses who were seeing
08:42that something was happening there
08:44and a woman who asked to leave,
08:46supposedly they didn't let her.
08:47They saw Sae, brave Sae,
08:49bring her from the balcony inwards
08:51and from there on,
08:53things that the witnesses report and tell are still being heard.
08:57If later, at the moment when it is recorded,
09:00brave Sae calls 911
09:02and then Emily is heard saying,
09:04they are killing me.
09:06At the same time, once it is cut,
09:08brave Sae calls again.
09:10In fact, the phone is left open
09:12once the girl has already thrown herself
09:14and the scream is heard.
09:15The whole sequence is very striking
09:17because it may have been a planned crime or not.
09:23So, having both possibilities, as Fito says,
09:25the blockade is open.
09:27Now, there are some indications, some experiments
09:29that show that there was a situation of a lot of violence
09:32that would have been exercised against Emily
09:34because it was in numerical inferiority.
09:37There was a man, brave Sae, muscular, strong,
09:40a woman and a woman who falls through a window.
09:43Something with the wives, Pablo.
09:45What?
09:46It is said that he could have had wives.
09:49Also.
09:50Look at this document.
09:53Let's talk to the father and we will show what we have.
09:56Recreation, precisely, to support us
09:58and that you have the visualization of this story
10:01because we have it, the father of Emily,
10:03very well planted on the other side
10:07after the sad story
10:09and we know what was the end of his daughter.
10:11Come on, let's start.
10:12How does this recreation start, Pablito?
10:14Well, there are some images that we are going to show you.
10:18When we have it, we put it.
10:20While...
10:22Yes, I was going to tell you what caught my attention.
10:26While I'm asking Greco,
10:30because there it is in the graph,
10:32Tutsi and cocaine, lethal cocktail.
10:38Why does this happen?
10:41Wanting to fully experience a sexual issue,
10:45lack of real recreation,
10:50what is the need for drug use in these cases?
10:55Let's see, Gonza.
10:56No link that is crossed by the drug ends well.
11:00Never.
11:01And within the sex-affective links
11:04there are two types of links from the addiction clinic.
11:09The co-dependencies and the co-addictions.
11:12The co-dependencies are the asymmetric links
11:16that are related to the need of someone,
11:19the emotional dependence of someone
11:21and that someone who has the control
11:23of subjecting, controlling and manipulating.
11:26Those are the emotional co-dependencies.
11:30And the co-addictions are those links
11:33where the drug is the meeting point of that couple.
11:37In my 40 years of expertise,
11:40of working in addictions, in territory,
11:43I could say that the people who are crossed
11:46by co-addictive links,
11:48where there are two,
11:50where love is placed in the consumption of substances,
11:54are the most complex rehabilitations to do.
11:57Because the person reaches a moment, woman or man,
12:01where it is no longer so much the dependence on addiction,
12:05but emotionally it is not the substance,
12:09but it is the other person.
12:11The question that I want to ask you
12:14and that was what caught my attention
12:16when I was just telling you,
12:18is that there were so many people in that room
12:21and they can't control a person.
12:23And there was a doctor who had injected ketamine.
12:26I say, this is the striking thing.
12:28Can a person be put so badly
12:30that they can't control it among a lot of people?
12:33Let's see, clinically, and I'm not a doctor,
12:35but I do have experience in overflowing people
12:38with consumption of substances.
12:40You never work with ketamine.
12:42You never work with ketamine.
12:44What you say is important.
12:46That is, there is morphine derivative,
12:48but ketamine is an anesthetic of the veterinary order
12:51that sleeps elephants.
12:53That is, it is irregular,
12:55it is irregular in every sense,
12:57from the clinical, from the biological,
12:59even from the therapeutic,
13:01to reassure someone with ketamine as a medical act.
13:05It does not exist. Never.
13:07I'm not a doctor either, I never heard
13:09that someone reassures with ketamine.
13:11That's why I thought you weren't a doctor.
13:13Well, but a syringe appeared with substance, with substance.
13:16Well, Pablito, we have the moment of recreation, yes?
13:19It is, please, put, let's recreate the moment.
13:22And so we analyze it.
13:24This is the moment when it calls, let's listen.
13:32There appears the puncture of the voice.
13:34Can you hear me?
13:36Tell me the address of the emergency.
13:48Tell me the address.
13:52Well, tell me the address.
13:59Can you hear me?
14:01Tell me the address, please.
14:05The air is important, pay attention to the air.
14:11There is the wooden blow.
14:13Yes, and the glass.
14:15That is the blow on the head.
14:17Yes.
14:18Please.
14:19Well, stay calm.
14:20What is happening?
14:21Sixth floor, please, tell me the address.
14:23Well, sixth floor ...
14:24Ah!
14:25I'm going to kill you!
14:26I'm going to kill you!
14:27I'm going to kill you!
14:28I'm going to kill you!
14:29I'm going to kill you!
14:30I'm going to kill you!
14:31I'm going to kill you!
14:32Call for help!
14:33Why?
14:35Can you hear me?
14:36Let me see your fingers.
14:37Let me see them.
14:38Let me see them.
14:39Oh, my God, please.
14:40I'm going to kill you.
14:43I'll kill you.
14:51Be careful.
14:55Is it dangerous?
14:56Yes.
14:58Well, I'm going to die.
14:59I'll go with you.
15:00Did you hit me?
15:01Let's see, let's see, I want to detail a few things.
15:04When Saez Valiente shouts,
15:07ay,
15:09and all this thing that represents an approach from Emily,
15:12as if she were going to attack him,
15:14there were audiotests that indicate that at that moment
15:17the girl was in another room.
15:19As we saw there.
15:20As we saw there.
15:21And this,
15:23this call clearly raises suspicions.
15:26He says, ay, he shouts, everything,
15:29of course you always have to think about this man's innocence,
15:32but here are tests that were analyzed
15:34and this audio indicates that at the moment
15:36when it seems that Emily hits,
15:39or so he says, ay, run away,
15:42well, he says a lot of things,
15:44her audio is further away on the plane than his.
15:47And that test was carried out
15:50and determined that at that moment
15:52the girl was being held by the other woman
15:55in another place.
15:57So you can say that he calls 911
16:00to plant this fiction.
16:03No, I say that it is what the relatives suspect.
16:10And he throws, more or less,
16:12one day also these tests.
16:14Sure.
16:15Yes?
16:16Yes, in fact, these suspicions are based on the test
16:20that was carried out in the audio test,
16:22especially when it appears in Emily's head
16:25not only the puncture of the needle that appears,
16:28not only the syringe that also appears in the scene,
16:35also that there was no drug in the scene.
16:39There was not.
16:40Clearly, they consumed a drug, they cleaned,
16:43there was a cleaning of the place.
16:45Yes.
16:46It is a difficult case, obviously, to unravel.
16:50The businessman is bravely free at this moment,
16:53waiting for the whole process,
16:55but there are indications that he is being held responsible
16:58beyond the issue of the supply of drugs.
17:01In the recreation there is, I estimate,
17:05a blow from the other woman who was with Emily
17:08trying to calm her down.
17:10I hear like a slap.
17:11From behind, right?
17:12And Emily would be on the floor at this moment,
17:15at that moment,
17:16according to what we see there in the recreation, right?
17:19Yes, we can review it while we comment, if you want.
17:22Can we put it back?
17:24That somewhere ...
17:25Yes, there we are reviewing it a little.
17:27There we can go over the marks.
17:30That somewhere this is recreated, right?
17:36That is, there is some indication,
17:38something has been re-armed so that they come to this conclusion.
17:43Yes, it is the audio expertise with which they are working at the moment
17:48that puts in place the places where people could be
17:50regarding this and also with the statement
17:54even of the protagonists who have spoken.
17:58There is.
17:59There is.
18:00Supposedly there is someone who covers his mouth
18:01because I imagine that by the audio
18:02it should be heard with his mouth covered.
18:04I mean, the screams, right?
18:06That is another woman.
18:07Do you see?
18:08There.
18:09With calm, with a blow.
18:12That is, they estimate that she would be being calmed.
18:14That is why at one point Emily does not continue to speak,
18:16does not continue to scream.
18:18That is what is seen there in the recreation.
18:20This is a recreation, as we said, based on the audio.
18:24Because this is an incredible fact that everything is recorded.
18:29Because by calling Sáenz Valiente to 911,
18:32all the sequence of the moment in which he ends up dying
18:36ends up being recorded.
18:38What happens previously, what the witnesses said?
18:40We saw a woman asking for help on a balcony
18:43and a man identified as Sáenz Valiente
18:46who took her inside.
18:48The woman was half naked.
18:51She did not finish being naked.
18:53At that time there was no question of the wives.
18:55The question of the wives appears as a position.
18:58I don't know, Fito, if you had any information
18:59about those wives who appear.
19:00No, I had heard about it.
19:02That they could have been holding her.
19:04No, that she had a ...
19:06A mark.
19:07A mark with grooves.
19:09When they see each other, they are there.
19:12In one of the photos they showed they see each other
19:14and she has smooth wrists and she has grooves.
19:18The producer just had it.
19:20So, well ...
19:21What I tell you is that it is not strange to them
19:24that there are two women and a man
19:27and there is an exalted woman
19:31and that a man brings her inside
19:35and then instead of forcing the man,
19:38who is corpulent with Emily,
19:42he keeps forcing two women
19:44while he calls on the phone.
19:46When first he had a fundamental role in entering her
19:50and then instead of holding her ...
19:53Don't you think ...
19:54Look around, guys.
19:56Look around.
19:57And how would it be?
19:58There you have what I tell you about what could be ...
20:05The wives.
20:06Guys, look around.
20:10I don't know what you think the sequence was.
20:14How would it be?
20:15No, no, no, I don't have a hypothesis, but ...
20:18Here what appears is that the girl is in a locked room.
20:21They take her to a locked room.
20:23He is not giving us a clue.
20:24That's why I was asking about this woman,
20:28as seen in the recreation,
20:30who forces and falls.
20:32It ends.
20:33This is from the audio, Pablito.
20:35Yes, all this analysis is from the audio.
20:36It ends in a moment where you stop in desperation those screams
20:39for supposedly a blow from the other woman.
20:42I don't know how they get through the audio
20:44to see that the blow was from behind.
20:46Because the shots.
20:47Face down.
20:48The shots of the audio.
20:49I guess that's why.
20:50There is no slap.
20:51At the moment there is also a photo
20:53that indicates that he is covering his mouth.
20:55Yes?
20:56Yes, the other woman.
20:57Now Fito says, why the other woman?
20:59Why does the businessman leave the two women fighting
21:03and he is in charge of calling 911?
21:06When supposedly the one who had the attack of fury
21:08was one of them.
21:09And at the entrance.
21:10That's why, that's why.
21:12At the entrance.
21:13But I don't understand, Fito, what do you mean?
21:15Explain it to us.
21:16It's just that Fito doesn't want to say it.
21:18I'm trying to...
21:19I don't understand.
21:20I don't either.
21:21He doesn't want to say it?
21:22How would the sequence be?
21:23It's not that I don't want to say it.
21:24That they killed him, do you mean?
21:25No, no.
21:26I'm telling you that if you find it strange
21:28that there is someone who wants to jump off a balcony in my house,
21:32I bring her, and then instead of holding her,
21:36I'm going to grab the phone and let her...
21:38let them start forcing the two women.
21:41It's strange the rush.
21:43But she...
21:44Could it be that they took her...
21:45Sorry, Gonzalo.
21:46Could it be that he took her to a room where they injected her
21:49and said, well, here I can grab and I can call...
21:51arm the blockade.
21:52No, tell the woman, call.
21:54While I have her, Pablo, you tell me one thing.
21:56It's probable.
21:57What do you do?
21:58The owner of the house is the same, but it would be logical.
22:01The man is him, the most forcible is him,
22:03the owner of the house is him,
22:05and he runs to call her on the phone
22:07and lets her scream and fight.
22:09Two women.
22:10It's strange.
22:11It's strange.
22:12What's the rule?
22:13Because it's all in the pocket.
22:14But what's the rule?
22:15That the man is the one who gets stuck.
22:17As it was that he brought her, as he is the most forcible,
22:20there is a whole situation.
22:22I have seen by the witnesses that the man
22:25says that he needs to call 911 to cover himself.
22:28But he doesn't take her out because she supposedly wants to jump off the balcony.
22:32No, no.
22:33He takes her out because she is asking for help.
22:35Asking for help.
22:36Asking for help.
22:37It's not that she wanted to jump off the balcony.
22:39No, no, no.
22:40She jumped off the balcony to ask for help.
22:42She goes out to ask for help.
22:44And what is it that you say, you are brave,
22:46and Magallan is the girl, the doctor,
22:48that by the product of something, I don't know,
22:50that she started delirious, she jumped out the window.
22:53Clearly she didn't jump out the head window
22:55as they want to make us believe.
22:57You have the marks in the rest of the department.
23:00Well, then we all agree that the hypothesis...
23:02No, no, I didn't understand, but now I understand, Fito.
23:04Yes, yes, I didn't understand the...
23:06Because he runs away...
23:08Because he runs away from holding her,
23:11because if he had held her,
23:13or if she wanted to jump off,
23:15that is, in the face of this hypothesis that she wanted to jump off,
23:19by an accident, he would have held her
23:22and she wouldn't have ended up jumping off.
23:25When he was far away,
23:27the hypothesis was that she wanted to jump off,
23:32or that they threw her, or that they let her jump off.
23:35But anyway, his presence there,
23:38and running away from the scene,
23:40in my vision,
23:42puts him at a central point of the fact.
23:45Now, I ask, why?
23:48Here is a question that we are not asking ourselves.
23:52Why?
23:55Was it, for him, for his image,
23:59as a businessman,
24:01worse or better
24:03for a girl to die falling from his balcony?
24:07They would have known that she fell from the balcony of San Valiente,
24:09she couldn't have come from any other balcony,
24:11if there was a cut, a premeditation.
24:14Or was it better for the girl to end up in her apartment,
24:20being taken care of by the S.A.M.E.,
24:23a night of madness?
24:25It's all very strange.
24:27It could also be that he saw something.
24:29The logical thing...
24:31If he lost his hands, right?
24:33No, but if everything is recorded, the audio is there.
24:35No, no, before the audio.
24:37Something that she didn't want.
24:39She didn't want it, something happened,
24:41or something she saw, or something they did to her,
24:43that they don't want it to be like that.
24:45We have some details that,
24:47for decoration, because the father is there,
24:49we are not going to tell,
24:51because we have previous information
24:53about the relationships and the handling and everything.
24:55But, of course,
24:57if I tell you that I saw a girl
24:59who gave drugs to my house
25:01and threw herself off the balcony,
25:03it's more reasonable than to think that a great businessman
25:05is going to risk his freedom
25:07by killing a girl who could even have paid him
25:09for having sex.
25:11So, here,
25:13the truth is that one cannot say
25:15what he or she doesn't know,
25:17because we don't know it,
25:19but the indices tell you.
25:21But that's why I ask,
25:23the cost-benefit of those two decisions...
25:25Well, you are also thinking about a cost-benefit
25:27of someone who is thinking well,
25:29and when it comes to drugs,
25:31you think more.
25:33All drug addicts are all under the consumption of drugs.
25:35Good point, good point.
25:37Greco, doctor.
25:39Sorry, sir.
25:41Here we have it.
25:43Drugs, when you are intermediating
25:45any kind of bond,
25:47generate and enhance,
25:49many times,
25:51the worst and the darkest
25:53of each profile and each personality.
25:55But, in terms of decision-making,
25:57of what Pablo was saying,
25:59can drugs change for the worse?
26:01Totally.
26:03In some people, perhaps they react,
26:05it depends on the degree of consumption,
26:07for better or totally,
26:09you run out of focus in an important decision.
26:11Drugs, the first thing they hack
26:13and the first thing they frontalize
26:15is the frontal lobe.
26:17The will is a characteristic
26:19and a clinical structure
26:21of the brain.
26:23Drugs, what they do,
26:25is to start destroying
26:27two neurocognitive characteristics.
26:29The ability to reason,
26:31the ability to think,
26:33and, on the other hand, inhibitory brakes.
26:35What are inhibitory brakes?
26:37It is the characteristic of any person
26:39in a situation.
26:41The consumption of substances,
26:43of cocaine specifically,
26:45what generates, what exacerbates,
26:47first, is the limitation of the frontal lobe.
26:49You don't think.
26:51Therefore, you go to a second neurocognitive level,
26:53which is the limbic system.
26:55What is the limbic system?
26:57It is the ability to live
26:59according to emotions and memories,
27:01but not to the cognitive present
27:03of the here and now.
27:05Therefore, the answer,
27:07every time the brain
27:09intervenes with substances,
27:11the first element,
27:13the first cognitive function
27:15is the limitation
27:17and the blockade
27:19of the ability to reason
27:21and to think.
27:23So, it's a bad idea.
27:25It could have happened.
27:27It could have been.
27:29It could have been.
27:31I mean, this decision.
27:33I'm a businessman.
27:35I mean, I risk
27:37that a girl
27:39dies.
27:41Do you understand?
27:43Or that a girl
27:45in my neighborhood
27:47dies.
27:49We are not saying that it was.
27:51We are trying to analyze
27:53a fact that
27:55people are confused,
27:57with witnesses who see something
27:59that later tells you
28:01that it was different.
28:03Mediating, as Claudio says,
28:05with substances,
28:07you make bad decisions.
28:09And you smoke something
28:11and you get the worst out of each person.
28:13We are even talking
28:15about alcohol.
28:17Alcohol is a drug.
28:19Not necessarily.
28:21We are talking about cocaine,
28:23drugs.
28:25You can't do things
28:27that you wouldn't do
28:29and you wouldn't think
28:31to kill a person.
28:33But with those effects, it can happen.
28:35Because it all depends
28:37on two things.
28:39On how much you smoke.
28:41Claudio explains it very nicely,
28:43but it all ends
28:45in the synthesis.
28:47How much you smoke
28:49because of drug use.
28:51And what hallucination,
28:53as they say, did it paint you?
28:55What did it paint
28:57all those who were there?
28:59What did you think was happening?
29:01And there is a distortion of reality
29:03because drug addicts,
29:05everyone knows that there are
29:07drug addicts who end up looking
29:09at the police station to see who is coming.
29:11Under the effect of paranoia.
29:13Paranoia is a characteristic
29:15of the release of norepinephrine
29:17and noradrenaline.
29:19As you advance with consumption,
29:21especially cocaine,
29:23an activation of the brain
29:25is generated with the factors of fear.
29:27A paranoid contract
29:29with drugs is established.
29:31Obviously, persecution appears.
29:33Yes, we have heard it.
29:35We have read many songs
29:37of Argentine rock.
29:39Paranoid mice were called
29:41paranoid mice.
29:43Basically.
29:45Here we have to
29:47divide the scene
29:49and show what happened
29:51inside, which is not known.
29:53But there are clues.
29:55There was a meeting
29:57where there were many women
29:59and a single man.
30:01Supposedly.
30:03Was there another man
30:05in the building?
30:07The camera had taken
30:09the entrance of another man?
30:11No.
30:13As far as I remember,
30:15the car had been left
30:17on the parking lot.
30:19And she is coming out.
30:21She is brave.
30:23There is a moment
30:25that ends up being the trigger,
30:27which is once again
30:29the scene of the balcony.
30:31Why? Because what was heard
30:33at 10 a.m.,
30:35but it was already early
30:37and people were working
30:39while they were consuming substances,
30:41that noise and everything
30:43had already been detected
30:45by the neighbors.
30:47But the scene of the balcony
30:49is put by Emily
30:51asking for help
30:53from witnesses who may
30:55have seen him.
30:57Then he appears
30:59in another scene.
31:01He may be pointed out
31:03for some reason,
31:05for abuse, for violence,
31:07for whatever,
31:09by that neighbor who saw him.
31:11I'm going to this question
31:13because you play the case well.
31:15Let's go to this point.
31:17If he takes out,
31:19but maybe the drug takes you
31:21not to think about some issues,
31:23like if they saw you once,
31:25why can't they see you twice
31:27while you throw that person out of the balcony?
31:29Because that window...
31:31Notice the fact
31:33where the window falls.
31:35It's an internal window
31:37where you are blind.
31:39It's another window.
31:41It's another balcony.
31:43It's not less than ketamine.
31:45It's not less.
31:47Then you tell me,
31:49well, where there are drugs,
31:51generally, can there be marijuana? Yes.
31:53Can there be cocaine? Yes.
31:55Now, can there be Tuzi?
31:57Yes, now.
31:59Ketamine?
32:01It's not normal, Pablo, that there is...
32:03Anisman found ketamine.
32:05It's not normal that there is ketamine...
32:07I'll explain why yes.
32:09Look, Fito, I didn't know.
32:11Yes.
32:13But I had an interview
32:15with the Federal Police
32:17asking about the appearance
32:19of this pink drug.
32:21I was going to tell you about Anisman.
32:23No, no, it had ketamine,
32:25but it was for personal use.
32:27We don't know anything about Anisman.
32:29Tell me this.
32:31When we started analyzing
32:33the question of this pink drug,
32:35Tuzi, they told us
32:37that the drug contained ketamine.
32:39Wait, I'll tell you something.
32:41The real Tuzi,
32:43it contains ketamine.
32:45We don't know what it contains.
32:47Wait, wait, wait.
32:49No, no, because...
32:51There were procedures.
32:53People don't know when they take it.
32:55No, no, wait.
32:57And each one...
32:59Wait, wait.
33:01I also interviewed a chemist.
33:03Here, each one puts...
33:05And since it's pink,
33:07they put Tuzi.
33:09But ketamine in its pure form
33:11is like a Pablo Encontrar.
33:13Only ketamine.
33:15Like here.
33:17There was, at the time,
33:19in the electronic music circuit,
33:21at least a few years ago,
33:23there were people who stole
33:25or got packets from the veterinarians
33:27and cooked them in a microwave.
33:29And they made a powder
33:31and offered it in different...
33:33There was ketamine powder.
33:35But this one, how did it have it?
33:37Here it looks like a syringe with remains.
33:39It could have been used...
33:41You're in a more acute phase of drug addiction.
33:43That's what I want to say.
33:45It could have entered
33:47the body of Emilia in two ways.
33:49Because of what the phyto says.
33:51And also because of the syringe.
33:53An overdose of ketamine.
33:55That's what's strange.
33:57In the context...
33:59Claudio, how does that work?
34:01I think it's a substance
34:03that's like anesthesia for horses
34:05or for animals.
34:07Ketamine is a dissociative drug.
34:09What does it mean when we talk
34:11about dissociative drugs?
34:13It separates the mind from the body.
34:15The one that makes you fly, let's say.
34:17It has the hallucinogenic capacity.
34:19Not all drugs have the hallucinogenic capacity.
34:21I take what you say,
34:23the one that makes you fly,
34:25the one that generates hallucinations.
34:27What is hallucination?
34:29What is illusion?
34:31Illusion is the deformation of a real object.
34:33What is hallucination?
34:35It's the creation of an object that doesn't exist.
34:37This is the clinical, psychological
34:39and psychiatric difference
34:41between hallucination and illusion.
34:43Ketamine, being a dissociative drug,
34:45what it generates
34:47is a virtual separation
34:49of the body and the mind.
34:51That's why the cognitive dissociation
34:53and the consumption of ketamine
34:55is totally linked
34:57to suicides
34:59induced by the consumption
35:01of ketamine.
35:03Why is it said
35:05that it is a drug
35:07for sleeping horses and elephants?
35:09Because it is a drug
35:11that was synthesized in 1962
35:13specifically to work
35:15in veterinary medicine
35:17because of its power.
35:19So you sleep a horse
35:21with that?
35:23Yes.
35:25A milligram and a half of ketamine
35:27kills you.
35:29Are we clear?
35:31It's two grains of coarse salt.
35:33In a syringe?
35:35Yes.
35:37Why?
35:39Because of the central nervous system.
35:41Very well, Pablo.
35:43What it generates is an immunodepression
35:45just like alcohol, but 100% enhanced.
35:47Just like fentanyl.
35:49Let's go step by step
35:51because I like to analyze it.
35:53You told me there was a syringe
35:55that supposedly entered ketamine
35:57through the syringe.
35:59We don't know
36:01what entered it.
36:03Sorry.
36:05Is it very easy
36:07to manipulate
36:09the amount of ketamine
36:11in a dilution
36:13so that it doesn't kill you?
36:15No, it's not easy.
36:17You have to be a specialist,
36:19a biochemist,
36:21a doctor,
36:23have a professional capacity
36:25to dilute
36:27the ketamine
36:29as long as it's a pure product.
36:31Because there's also
36:33a reduction of ketamine.
36:35So you don't know
36:37how much you need
36:39in a lab.
36:41That's why it's dangerous
36:43just like fentanyl.
36:45We're talking about
36:47dissociative drugs.
36:49In the case of fentanyl,
36:51it's an immunodepressant
36:53that lowers
36:55the respiratory capacity
36:57of the autonomic system,
36:59which we don't control.
37:01We don't control our lungs,
37:03our liver, our intestines.
37:05They work on their own.
37:07Our cough, for example.
37:09When you traveled to the United States,
37:11you were impressed
37:13by what you saw.
37:15Unfortunately,
37:17fentanyl is already
37:19cutting cocaine
37:21with fentanyl.
37:23So there are people
37:25who buy a legal substance
37:27like cocaine,
37:29end up consuming fentanyl,
37:31don't know about it,
37:33and many end up dead.
37:35Yesterday, you told me
37:37four cases in the last month.
37:39Did you see this?
37:41Yes, the one in San Francisco
37:43and the one in San Diego
37:45is tremendous.
37:47The zombie movies
37:49we saw were zombies.
37:51The problem with fentanyl
37:53is that putting ketamine
37:55in a party,
37:57in a meeting,
37:59is taking one more step.
38:01That's the problem.
38:03When you take one more step,
38:05it's because your liver
38:07is already burned
38:09in one more step.
38:11Then you can throw it away,
38:13you can not throw it away,
38:15you can drug it
38:17to satisfy your sexual desires
38:19because you don't know
38:21what could be done
38:23with the ketamine
38:25or what could be happening
38:27in there.
38:29That's what I'm saying,
38:31that these are the points
38:33that come out of normal meetings.
38:35Drugging in the city of Buenos Aires,
38:37in the country, in the world,
38:39is common.
38:41You already told me,
38:43and I don't give a shit.
38:45These supposedly educated people
38:47don't know
38:49too many limits
38:51to be encouraged
38:53to do that,
38:55knowing that...
38:57What I'm asking,
38:59I imagine that addicts
39:01should know it.
39:03It's dangerous.
39:05What kind of graduation
39:07are you going to give me?
39:09It's cut off.
39:11Gonza,
39:13there's a lot of myth
39:15that drugs are for office
39:17and not for territory.
39:19Those of us who have been working
39:21for more than 40 years
39:23and in the 80s
39:25people died in their arms
39:27from HIV,
39:29those of us who have been working
39:31and we work with death
39:33and life every day,
39:35we know perfectly well
39:37that there is no non-problematic
39:39consumption, it's a lie.
39:41Our brain doesn't care
39:43about controlling drugs or not.
39:45There is no reduction of damage
39:47as a public policy, it can't exist.
39:49The consumption of substances
39:51hacks the brain.
39:53And when you say,
39:55Gonza,
39:57what is the limit?
39:59There is no limit,
40:01because when the frontal lobe is annulled,
40:03drugs annul the frontal lobe,
40:05it goes for pure pleasure,
40:07it goes through the limbic system,
40:09more pleasure, more pleasure,
40:11until it flies through a window,
40:13until it reaches
40:15an overdose,
40:17until it reaches death
40:19precisely by cardiopulmonary arrest.
40:21There is no non-problematic consumption.
40:23Don't be fooled
40:25by the angels of death,
40:27by the discourses of death,
40:29because just as we
40:31do prevention,
40:33the narco also has his discourse.
40:35They have installed us in this country
40:37that there is non-problematic consumption.
40:39It is a lie,
40:41but not because I say it,
40:43we say it on this table.
40:45It is scientific evidence,
40:47and when there is scientific evidence,
40:49the story ends.