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00:0013 years in the NFL. Yes. How did that happen? Long time. Three years. Resilience. Yeah.
00:06Just didn't quit. Yeah. You know, you got to overcome a lot of adversity. People telling
00:09you you're no good. You'll never make it in the league. You got to get in my case. I got
00:14cut from a team. Yeah. Had to make a team. Yeah. From scratch. Compete a bunch of against
00:18a bunch of great players who were on the team the year before. But it turned out pretty
00:22good. No. Right. I think one of the one of the great qualities that professional athletes
00:26who last in professional sports for a long time have is resilience. Yeah. Because it's
00:31so easy to quit. Yeah. It's so easy to listen to the noise. You got to believe in yourself.
00:35You got to keep getting up, keep working hard and keep moving forward. I'm a Northeast guy.
00:39I'm from New Jersey. You're from Pennsylvania. How did you end up at Stanford? We used to
00:43play Phillipsburg High School. Is that where you got the state liners? Remember, Ned Bulls
00:46are back in the day. Went to Notre Dame, a U.S. player of the year. Did you cook them
00:49out there? No, they kill. I think they beat us 48 to 7. He was a really good player. Phillipsburg
00:54had like 14, 16 division one players back then at the Allentown Central Catholic. Yes.
01:00And we went to a nine and oh and eleven my senior year. But you know what? I still remember
01:05the bus rides. A.C.D.C. Yeah. Ronnie James Dio Van Halen. Yep. We had a lot of fun. We
01:11were just not that good. Yeah. But the league was very good. We had the defense player there.
01:15A lot of D1 players take on Barkley. Matter of fact, went to Whitehall High School, which
01:18was in the East Penn League. But I was one of, I think, two players that played in the
01:25Hershey game. Big 33, was it called back then? Big 33 game. And I think we played, did we
01:29play Ohio State? I forget. We either rotated Ohio State, Maryland or split it up east west
01:35in Pennsylvania. And I think it was one of two players that left the East Coast. Because
01:39back then, you remember, you know, I visited Michigan, visited Notre Dame, visited Penn
01:43State. They're all winning national championships. Yeah. Took another visit to Purdue and then
01:49visited Stanford. And when I visited Stanford, we had just finished a basketball practice.
01:53And I walked out to my car. Remember how cold it used to get? My hair was icicles by the
01:58time I got down to the car. I might have had a little bit of a mullet. I'm not going to
02:02lie to you. And then I went out to visit Stanford and it was already ranked number one in the
02:05country in USA, in U.S. News and World Report academically. But it was 78 degrees driving
02:11down Palm Drive. You see the church in the background. I'm like, I just came from negative
02:1540 wind chill. So in addition to being a great school academically, it's a beautiful place
02:20to live. And then Jack Elway, John Elway's dad. Yes. Was my coach. Wow. He recruited
02:25me along with Tom Beckett, who went on to be the A.D. at Yale for a long, long time.
02:30And he believed in me. And it felt good to have a coach that believed in me as you would
02:34have it. Yeah. I play with the son, John. Yeah. Years later, we went a couple of Super
02:39Bowls. But I didn't know that at the time. I just really respected him as a coach, really
02:44wanted to play for him. And it meant a lot to me that he believed in me.