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00:00High Noon on a Celtics Wednesday. It is Jones and Keefe on WEEI. We talk Celtics to start
00:06the show. Mixed in some Bruins and Super Bowl 59 thoughts. Drake May, where does he stack
00:11up with all these quarterbacks? It's time to get back to the seas with Justin Turpin
00:15of WEEI. He joins us every Wednesday at High Noon. What's up, Turp?
00:19What's up, guys?
00:20Hello. Big trade just moments ago. So we get your instant reaction to the Jaden Springer
00:25deal. Yeah, it was always the most likely trade. I mean, they were chopping this in
00:29the offseason. It's a 22-year-old guy, and you would hope that his recent play would
00:33have given a little bit more than just a salary dump. But you save $15 million in taxes by
00:38getting rid of him. He was making $4 million on an expiring deal. So this was by far the
00:43most likely outcome, and it's not really surprising that it happened.
00:46So is it a move just to save money, or is it a move to get below, what is it, the second
00:52apron so that they can make another move?
00:54Yeah, they can't get out of the second apron, regardless.
00:57They didn't get under any threshold with this move. It's just a bookkeeping thing.
01:00This was a bookkeeping thing, yes. So they just saved $15 million with the repeater tax.
01:04Does it free him up to make a move for a veteran on the buyout market, a little higher salary
01:09for that?
01:10No, because they'd still have to be under the mid-level acceptance.
01:11So they get nothing. All it is is just saving Irv some money before he gets out.
01:15It was a book move. That was $15 million, it's a lot.
01:17What do I care about Irv's $15 million? I don't care.
01:19What do you care about Jaden Springer?
01:20But I don't know.
01:21That's a lot to pay for a guy who wasn't really playing night in and night out.
01:23Would you pay $15 million for Jaden Springer?
01:24He just played against the team they traded him to.
01:26If he wasn't a minute, a playoff.
01:27Okay, but would I rather have a player who has been in the rotation or save Irv some
01:32money?
01:33I'd rather have the guy on the team.
01:34No, I mean, I guess, but like if they were, I don't think he does much, but he averaged
01:39five minutes a game.
01:40This move doesn't do anything.
01:41It doesn't do anything.
01:42It saves him $15 million.
01:43Yeah, it saves him some bucks.
01:44To use it for what?
01:45To disrupt the sale process.
01:46They're going to give it back to the fans.
01:47Why?
01:48This is a lot.
01:49This goes right into Irv's pocket.
01:50What do I care about that?
01:51They're going to do a big money drop in the garden and all the fans get to grab it.
01:55Here's Jaden Springer's money.
01:56They're completely locked into the second apron, so they still can't aggregate contracts.
01:59So I thought this would give them some kind of benefit beyond just saving some money.
02:02It gives them no benefit.
02:03No, it's just a salary dump.
02:04That's all.
02:05And unfortunately, you would hold the player.
02:06Yeah, but they're not salaried.
02:07I don't care about it like you do.
02:08It's not like they salary dumped you.
02:09I don't care about Jaden's new holiday.
02:10You're like poor Zingus.
02:11But I don't care about Jaden Springer.
02:12It kind of sounds like you do.
02:13No, but it's just at the end of the day, you're trading a guy who you deemed a roster spot
02:18worthy of to now just save a few bucks.
02:20That's just, I don't know.
02:21It just didn't work out.
02:22What was your favorite Jaden Springer moment?
02:24It was the fourth quarter game against the Bulls.
02:26I like those seven minutes against the Rockets.
02:28He lit it up.
02:29I mean, it just didn't work out with the shooting.
02:31I think that's what kept them off the floor.
02:32I was thinking, not to spend a lot of time on this, but Udoka, I think is going to like
02:36them.
02:37I think it's going to be a great fit.
02:38I mean, look at how defensive heavy that scheme is in Houston.
02:40That's going to be a great fit.
02:41They're going to be such a pain in the ass to play.
02:43I think they're going to lose in the playoffs.
02:45You guys like him or do you not?
02:46If he's a great fit on the Rockets, what are they trading him for?
02:47They don't use him here.
02:48They don't even play him here.
02:49He's got nowhere to go.
02:50He doesn't shoot.
02:51They need him to shoot more.
02:53$15 million in taxes is a lot to pay for a guy that's not going to crack your rotation
02:57in the postseason.
02:58If he did, it'd be the end of quarters.
02:59He's not even a top 10 guy on the team, I don't think.
03:01He fell out of the rotation.
03:02He just played against the team they traded him to, who's in a playoff push.
03:05Right, but we're talking about the basketball in February.
03:07We're talking come postseason, he's not going to be in the rotation.
03:10You don't want to pay $15 million for that guy.
03:12It totally makes sense.
03:13Yeah, I don't know.
03:14You don't know who's going to be in the rotation if there's injuries and things like that.
03:15So if it's just saving money, I don't like it.
03:19Do you think it's interesting the Celtics made a deal with Imei?
03:21Just period.
03:22The Twitch chat pointed this out.
03:23It's a good observation.
03:24Do you think it's interesting that they were just willing to make a deal with the Rockets
03:27and Imei?
03:28Period.
03:29I don't because those two guys never overlapped.
03:31Like Springer only played for Joe.
03:33Those two never overlapped.
03:34And again, you look at just like the type of player he is.
03:37I think he's one of the best on-ball defenders in the league.
03:39And you put him in a very defensive, heavy scheme in Houston and they have assets to
03:45It makes sense, especially if you can get a pounce on a guy like that.
03:48So I don't know.
03:49You're talking to me out of it.
03:50He's that good defensively.
03:51He is.
03:52I want to also look at what they have and he's on an expiring deal.
03:55Who would have known if he would have came back?
03:57I thought he was a restricted free agent this offseason.
03:59Who would have known?
04:00So it's just the 15 million is a lot to pay for a guy that's just not going to really
04:04play.
04:05He only played over 10 minutes, three games this year.
04:08That Bulls game that we talked to actually twice against the Bulls.
04:10So he clearly has some sort of matchup.
04:12Yeah.
04:13Perfect.
04:14And then also against the Clippers a couple of weeks ago, where he hit two big threes.
04:20So I thought this would at least give him an option to get more than a $12 million,
04:24$13 million player on the buyout market.
04:26Is this one of something else?
04:28Not necessarily to bring somebody in, but is there anybody else likely to go that would
04:32then free them up or there's really nothing they can do?
04:34I mean, the only other one I could see them moving on from is Xavier Tillman.
04:36Oh, I thought you were going to say Jalen.
04:37No, no.
04:38I thought you were going to say Jalen.
04:39No, no.
04:40I didn't subscribe to that.
04:41No, they're not going to.
04:43Oh, Tillman maybe?
04:44Yeah.
04:45I think Tillman's the only other one.
04:46I mean, Jordan Walsh would be a long shot, I guess, but I just don't see any way that
04:48happens.
04:49So they're going to maybe keep looking.
04:51Of course, they're having conversations like they do every year, but I'd expect them to
04:54be more active on the buyout market.
04:56Maybe even keep one of those open roster spots because they have two going into the postseason.
05:00Celtics Wednesday here on Jones & Keefe.
05:02You want to talk Celtics?
05:03Your phone number to do so, 617-779-7937.
05:07Good time to ask Terp any questions about the team.
05:10He covers them.
05:11He's there every day.
05:12So you can ask those on the phones as well.
05:14You probably were less concerned than certainly I was and even Keith about the Celtics.
05:19Is last night the evidence for those out there who feel, ah, the team got a little bored.
05:25They were having a rough patch, but there were no reasons for concern.
05:27They can flip the switch whenever they want to.
05:29Is last night evidence for that crowd that they can turn it on when they need to?
05:33For sure.
05:34I even think the Philadelphia game was too.
05:35I mean, when they go down and they come back with that big run, they just flip the switch
05:38and it hasn't always worked.
05:40They've played a lot this year.
05:41Like they can just turn up like that.
05:42They did against Philadelphia.
05:44Obviously, that wasn't going to work against a team like Cleveland.
05:46But yeah, when they defend, wonderful things happen when they play defense and make their
05:50shots.
05:51So we're starting to see them start to ramp up.
05:53And Kristaps Porzingis talked about it last night where they're starting to start bringing
05:56that intensity night in and night out.
05:58And I've been, we've been saying it for the last couple of weeks.
06:01Like it's just, it's not realistic to expect them to bring that every single night.
06:05It's just not winning the reigning champions last year.
06:07Everything mattered because they were trying to prove something.
06:10Now they've proved it.
06:11So it's a lot different.
06:12First four game winning streak since like Thanksgiving, right?
06:15Like end of November.
06:16They ripped off seven in a row.
06:17Yeah.
06:18So it's been a little while.
06:19What's your Keith Spearcy on Jalen Brown, not playing at the end of the game?
06:22Well, I think first of all, with the five fouls was the thing, I think Chris Forsberg,
06:26you mentioned earlier, was talking about maybe there was an injury thing and we went back
06:29and pulled up the tape and in the first quarter he stepped on Max Strews or Max Strews stepped
06:34on his ankle and he was a little shaken up by that and he's been dealing with ankle things.
06:37But I think it really just comes down to it was working.
06:40They outscored them with Jalen off the floor in the fourth quarter and Joe Missoula to
06:44his credit or, you know, people like to read into it a lot though.
06:48He's not afraid to, you know, get away from those people.
06:50Like he's kept Eric White on the bench on the closing lineups.
06:53He's kept Drew Holiday.
06:54He's done it plenty of times and I'm sure Jalen wasn't happy about it.
06:57I know that was going to come up and he's a hundred percent not happy about it, but
07:01they're trying to win.
07:02Like they are trying to win, especially in that scenario against Cleveland.
07:05They had a 15 point fourth quarter lead.
07:07If they had they had to win that game, if they blew that lead, then their conversations,
07:11all that goodwill they built over the last couple of games would have just went right
07:14back to zero.
07:15It was a crazy game for Jalen too, because he scored first 13 points for the team and
07:19then he's the only guy who could score to start the game, but then he scored 16, I think
07:23for the game.
07:24Yeah.
07:25And yeah, technical foul mixed in there in the second half.
07:26Like he clearly was getting frustrated.
07:28So maybe it was ankle.
07:29Unfortunately, Missoula wasn't even asked about it after the game.
07:31So we'll have to wait until I guess they come have availability today.
07:36I won't talk again until tomorrow before the game.
07:39Okay.
07:40So yeah, they're home tomorrow against that new look Mavs team.
07:43Doesn't sound like he's going to play, though.
07:44Sounds like they traded two hurt guys for each other.
07:46Everyone's like so excited about this deal and like all hyped up about it.
07:49It's like, what are they going to play?
07:50I don't know.
07:51They get the Lakers in March.
07:52So yeah, so we should see.
07:53So we should get Luca for that one.
07:56Who knows what the playing weight will be, but you should get him for that one.
07:59Just sticking with Jalen for a moment, though, you said he's gone away from holiday and he's
08:03gone away from white and even Porzingis and Horford.
08:07Aren't those guys different than Jalen Brown?
08:08Like for sure.
08:09Jalen Brown with five fouls.
08:10I get it.
08:11You said him for a stretch when he picks up his fifth, which is what they did.
08:13Don't you get him in there for the final two minutes for his defense and shot making?
08:18And I think clutch free throws can be an issue for him here and there, but you want him on
08:21the floor to hit free throws.
08:23I still think that was odd.
08:24It's different to sit down even as good a players as they are white and holiday and
08:28guys like that versus Jalen.
08:29Oh, no.
08:30100%.
08:31This is the first time we've seen it with Jalen.
08:32I, I guarantee did not take that kindly.
08:35He was not happy about it, but I mean, Joe just wants to win and if, if he believes those
08:39guys are the ones that give them the best chance to do it, that's what they're going
08:42to do.
08:43Again, they outscored Cleveland and right after Jalen checked out is when Derek White
08:46got hot and maybe inserting Jalen back in would have maybe taken the ball away from
08:50out of Derek White's hands a little bit and he was red hot in the fourth quarter.
08:53So there's a lot that goes into it and it's not like, again, we're talking about a game
08:56in February and then Jalen Brown come.
08:58The postseason is going to be in your closing lineup.
09:00So come a couple of months from now, we're, we're not going to even remember this.
09:03We're, we're never going to talk about this.
09:05I saw, I've thought Cleveland's the next best team, the toughest challenger all year.
09:08Joe thinks it's the Knicks, Brad Stevens, the Cavs.
09:11Where are you at now?
09:12Even if you had somebody different at the beginning of the year, where are you at now
09:14in the East?
09:15I mean, they're 40 and 10 and still they've, they, I mean, the thing with them is they've
09:19cooled off a little bit as recently, like their defense fell out of the top 20 in the
09:23last month.
09:24So they have to clean up there, but they have three all-stars and that's, that's a legit
09:28team that I'm really looking at.
09:30The hierarchy of the East.
09:31I'm just looking at New York, Boston, Cleveland.
09:33Those are the three teams.
09:34There's really nobody else.
09:35Right.
09:36There's really nobody else.
09:37I don't think Milwaukee got it.
09:38I do not.
09:39No, I do not think.
09:40What'd you think of that?
09:41Much better.
09:42I think it was bizarre.
09:43And it, you know, it's kind of disrespectful to Chris Middleton.
09:45Don't you think like this guy won a championship, gave everything like, I know the injuries
09:49play into it.
09:50And of course it's, it's a cruel business.
09:51Like we just saw, but he has a massive player option for next year.
09:55We don't want, I mean, we see $34 million talking to $15 million contract with spring
10:00the Middleton one's a little different.
10:02So I can't wait for doc to throw Kuzma under the bus and like after a massive playoff loss,
10:06like throw him under the bus.
10:07Cause he doesn't get defensive rotations, something like, I can't wait for doc to do
10:10that.
10:11Cause that's going to happen.
10:12If Middleton stays there though, either bought out or maybe he's going to be on the move
10:15again.
10:16I mean, he's not going to wear a wizard's Jersey.
10:18I'd be shocked.
10:19The point stands that I don't fear Milwaukee.
10:21I don't fear most of these teams in the East.
10:24Fearing them is the wrong word, but the reason that I think New York is a tougher matchup
10:29for the Celtics, I don't trust every night.
10:33Cleveland's going to have another guy going, uh, besides Donovan Mitchell.
10:37Mitchell's a killer and he's terrifying at the end of some of these games.
10:40He missed some threes last night in the final stretch that could have made the game go differently.
10:44We'll knock him for missing the shots.
10:45That's fine.
10:46But he's terrifying in some of these games.
10:48Nobody else scares me on Cleveland.
10:49The Knicks have other guys who I feel like the playoff scare you.
10:54No, but more than you could wither away more than what's on Cleveland.
10:57Yeah.
10:58I don't know.
10:59I mean, he's better than Mobley, but like, I don't know, like I, I'm not a huge towns
11:01guy.
11:02Brunson's bad-ass.
11:03Brunson Mitchell is a big fan of him.
11:07I like hard as well.
11:08I just, I feel like the Knicks, you have guys who, you know, we're going to show up.
11:11They feel deep.
11:12I don't like, I don't like going.
11:13I don't really love Mobley.
11:14I see the talent with Mobley, the athleticism, the way he moves.
11:17I see all that, but I don't, I don't trust on him to show up in a seven game series every
11:22night.
11:23I don't.
11:24And they have matchup issues with the Celtics Cleveland.
11:25I mean, they went at Garland all night last night and that killer whale offense was just
11:29in full effect.
11:30They were picking the matchups they wanted and they got it every time.
11:33And I know the shooting percentages weren't great.
11:35They shot 40% from the field, which obviously is very mediocre, but I thought the process
11:40was great and they were getting the shots that they want.
11:42And if you give them those shots in a seven game series, I mean, Cleveland really is going
11:46to struggle.
11:47I know the team has been on the road, but I'm, I'm curious what those guys thought of
11:51the Luka ad trade because they all follow it.
11:54There's that great shot of the guys on the sun's finding out about it on the bench to
11:58rant and be able to be like, well, what in the world is this?
12:01We haven't, we've talked to you off the air about it, but on the air, what was your initial
12:04thought of the Luka ad trade?
12:06Yeah.
12:07It's been like a half a week and I'm still as confused as I was when I first saw it.
12:10Like I just, it, I can't fathom it.
12:12I, the fact that you didn't shop them around, if you don't want to commit to them because
12:15you have issues with the conditioning or whatever, I don't understand that.
12:19I don't agree with it.
12:20Luka has been top eight and MVP voting the last five years, first team, all NBA, each
12:24of those years.
12:25So I don't agree with it.
12:26But if you're going to do it, shop him, like see what you can get.
12:30You've got one first round pick and Anthony Davis, who's six years older than Luka and
12:34Anthony Davis is still a great player and you know, in the short term he's going to
12:37contribute, but it's Luka don't just like, it just makes no sense to me.
12:43Do you have any concerns whatsoever?
12:44Cause some people push back on this.
12:45I heard perk the other day, just laughing at the idea that LeBron and Luka couldn't
12:50play together.
12:51Do you have any concerns about how they fit?
12:53I mean, I can see it just because they're both so ball dominant and want to score, but
12:56I do think LeBron's going to embrace this role and have a chance to kind of mold Luka.
13:01And that's a, that's an underrated aspect.
13:03I think like of this trade is you're giving Luka one of the best athletes.
13:07Some consider, I know not Keefe, but some consider to be the greatest athlete in the
13:12sport and you know, he's 40 years old, still contributing to the level he's doing.
13:16Terp, not to derail this, MJ or LeBron?
13:20I mean, I never saw MJ, so I side with LeBron.
13:23You know that he exists though, right?
13:24Of course I do.
13:25Of course I do.
13:26But I side with LeBron.
13:27I never saw the Godfather, so it can't be a good movie.
13:28I also don't agree with the, uh, the bubble being a Mickey Mouse.
13:29I mean, by the name of it, yes.
13:30Get him Terp.
13:31That was a tough championship to win.
13:32No, it wasn't.
13:33Yes it was.
13:34LeBron got to take three months off.
13:35Anthony Davis needed it more than anybody else to take the time off.
13:50No traveling.
13:51Get him.
13:52The break did.
13:53The break did.
13:54But that's part of it.
13:55Yes.
13:56A hundred percent.
13:57That's a huge part of it.
13:58There's no road games.
13:59The Milwaukee Bucks were like undefeated at home that year.
14:00Yeah.
14:01You get no home court advantage.
14:02No home court advantage.
14:04Which the Bucks had.
14:05Virtual Paul Pierce on the wall.
14:06That was so fake.
14:07It's not even funny.
14:08I disagree.
14:09That was such a sham title.
14:10I think it was pure hoops.
14:11It's weird, Anthony.
14:12That's what it was.
14:13Maybe some say it was the purest championship.
14:14It was the purest championship.
14:15Yeah, I agree.
14:16Anthony Davis has had so many good 82 game seasons and has won so many titles when they
14:19played a four year.
14:20And they were limping into the postseason.
14:21No, I agree.
14:22They would not have won.
14:23That's the only knock on it I give it.
14:24That's the only knock on it I give it.
14:25You know what?
14:26There's zero chance that team wins the title if you had a real year.
14:27Terp has convinced me.
14:28LeBron greater than MJ.
14:29More I flush it out.
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