🔴 CRECE EL ESCÁNDALO DE MORENA RIAL: LA PALABRA DEL ABOGADO ALEJANDRO CIPOLLA
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00:00It matters a lot more what he is going to tell us, we already know that he has the reputation of a gallant doctor, but well in this case we want to get into the subject of Morena to see what situation he is in, you know that ...
00:11I was very shocked by the prosecution, that's why I didn't give many statements.
00:18But why?
00:19Because there was a very strong discussion with the prosecutor.
00:22What is the prosecutor's name?
00:24Ferrari.
00:25Ferrari.
00:26I understood that ... maybe there I redirected myself badly and I said the judicial party and no, I am not going to put the judicial party of San Isidro on trial, but the actionary of the PISCAL, right?
00:39I understood that he lacked respect in several opportunities.
00:42Why?
00:43Because he started with a mistreatment when Morena, you have to understand that she was two days without sleeping, and the question is asked if she had criminal proceedings and she said yes, I think so, but where?
01:00And he looks at me and says, no, you can't look at the lawyer.
01:04In a bad way.
01:05In a bad way.
01:06I say, but listen to me, he doesn't remember, it's not something you can corroborate beyond that.
01:13So we started very tense the field, right?
01:20Then Morena ...
01:23Alejandro, sorry, did you notice him badly predisposed to the prosecutor?
01:28Yes, yes, but stop with that, now I'll tell you the story.
01:33I tell him, well, he's fine, phenomenal.
01:36She says she refuses to testify and asks for a house arrest.
01:44Which is a petition that she does on a slip of the tongue because the warrant judge was closed and I couldn't do it verbally, right?
01:53To which he was almost screaming, he says, no, he has already declared.
01:57I tell him, but stop, I tell him, but he's telling you, I tell him, and beyond that question, I tell him, he needs medical attention because he has the ...
02:04He slept on the floor, I tell him, he has been sleeping on the floor, and not only that, but he has very inflamed wrists.
02:10For the wives, because they had her married from behind.
02:14Sorry, sorry, about the wrists, particularly Morena referred to her voice saying that those marks are not for having slept badly in the cell, but for the mistreatment of the police?
02:26Yes, the wives had them very tight and it is usually styled that when they arrive at the prosecutor's office, they put the wives in front.
02:34And the arms?
02:37Well, that's why I ask for medical attention.
02:40As far as the prosecutor refers to me, he cannot ask for it either.
02:45There we are seeing, Cipolla, that the bruises, the bruises arise especially in the part of the armpits, which is the upper part of the chest.
02:55Well, there he had the wrists super inflamed and it was hurting him a lot.
03:00And when he tells me this situation that Morena could not ask for it and that I had to ask for it in writing, I tell him, but they will not give him medical attention until I ask for it in writing.
03:10If I ask for it in writing, I tell him, by system, and they load it on me, I tell him, it's crazy, I tell him not to be given medical attention.
03:16Is Alejandro contemplating legally that the prosecutor may refuse to give him medical attention?
03:24No, no, how is he going to refuse?
03:27He tells me, no, no, she cannot ask for it in the act, I refuse to declare, but the act is not closed.
03:32I tell him, she keeps talking, I tell him that we are not listening to her, I tell him.
03:36And there all this began in Massa Colorado, right?
03:39Let's see if we contextualize there, because a little of everything is distributed.
03:45For Luis it is a close affection, for you it is not only a client but a friend, for the people it is a public figure because she is the daughter of Jorge Real, but for justice it is a prison.
03:58And are they treating her as a prisoner or do I make a bad reading?
04:02No, no, no, she is not treated as a prisoner, medical attention is provided for everyone, all detainees cannot be in infrahuman conditions, otherwise we will let them die.
04:12But she sleeps like a common prisoner, because you quote things.
04:16No, she has everything as a common person and worse.
04:19No privilege.
04:20Worse because I never saw a prosecutor tell me that she cannot ask for medical attention, and that I have to ask for it, but if you ask for it because you need it now, not because you need it when you need it.
04:31So until you ask for it, Morena will not be able to have medical attention to pass it clean.
04:35No, no, after a heated discussion, yes, they put it in my file and they took it to me.
04:41Now, you just said ...
04:42Because there had to be a discussion for attention to be given, I tell you, she is a woman.
04:46Of course, I understand. You just said that Morena asked for domiciliary detention. Does she already have a physical place to declare a home? Because as far as we knew, Morena went to different hotels or temporary tenants.
05:04That situation is what makes the domiciliary arrest complicated, but it is something that can be subdued because, as I explained, today they are rented through platforms and there is no contract.
05:18But you have to set up a home.
05:20Yes, Paula.
05:21No, we gave a home because it is a rented home until the 15th of next month.
05:26Here in the capital?
05:27Here in the capital and the idea is renewed.
05:30The place where she was detained?
05:32It is the same place where she was arrested.
05:34Yes, Paula, did you establish contact between your client and the father?
05:41No, no, because she doesn't have a phone to talk to.
05:44She has no way to communicate, they didn't go to see her.
05:47She doesn't have videos that the father sends her?
05:49I have the video of the baby.
05:51His name is Deo.
05:52And Paula, sorry, you said today that the situation was delicate.
05:57I take your word to ask you, I know that there are two detainees of the five fugitives that were there, they arrested two.
06:04How could the situation be so delicate for Morena?
06:07That they arrest the three missing people?
06:10No, the situation is delicate from the moment.
06:14It is a rare cause.
06:16The reality is that it is a rare cause because it is through an investigation in which nothing culminates,
06:22to try to indilicate another crime that is serious.
06:30Qualified robbery.
06:32But she could have taken the indictment without a detention.
06:36Okay, but doctor, I read the cover yesterday.
06:39Qualified robbery.
06:41No, no, I know.
06:42But the sentence starts from three years.
06:44I am not saying that it is not a serious crime.
06:47What I am saying is that it is a punishable crime.
06:50The only thing I say, for those who do not know a prison or a detention center,
06:59or a police station, one that has been because it covered notes and others.
07:06She is living a life of a prisoner.
07:08She has to ask permission to go to the bathroom.
07:11She is going to eat if you or a relative brings her food.
07:14She is not going to have any other garment that is not the one she is wearing.
07:18In other words, we are giving her transcendence for being a famous and public person.
07:25But you well know that what she is living until now,
07:29and she will live until something else is decided,
07:32is a life of a prisoner.
07:35When is the future defined, Chipola?
07:38It depends.
07:40The reality is that the judge can fix an hearing of 30 days,
07:46and the imprisonment is 5 days.
07:49What I asked the prosecutor,
07:51taking into account the personal circumstances of being in the detention center,
07:57is that certain requirements that the law requires,
08:02that is, that they go to verify the home, the penitentiary service,
08:05until it is agreed,
08:06that they are omitted and can be carried out later,
08:08because there are countless cases.
08:10Is it true that she refused to receive a beating there, Dr. Chipola,
08:13that you offered her the possibility?
08:15No, she can't receive it.
08:16No, she can't.
08:17Did she get in touch with Rial again?
08:18No, I mean, there are many women detained,
08:20who have children under 4 years old in their...
08:23No, no, no.
08:24Well.
08:25Guys, she is without a cell phone, without a visit,
08:27that is, she is in prison, she is detained.
08:29It is not a right of the minor, it is not a right of her.
08:32A baby that takes the tit has rights.
08:34I don't know the hygiene measures in that place,
08:36so that she can go to the toilet.
08:38Alejandro, Morena, sorry,
08:41Morena is still breastfeeding?
08:43Yes, she is 3 months old.
08:45So she would have the right to see the baby.
08:50It is not Morena's right.
08:51No, it is the right of the baby.
08:53Of the baby.
08:54Correct.
08:55Yes, but it is not the hygiene circumstances.
08:58But what hygiene circumstances does she not have,
09:00that she can't receive the baby?
09:01She is in a cell.
09:02There is no bathroom, there is no...
09:04I think that...
09:05First of all, there can be millions of diseases.
09:07You are talking about a 3-month-old vulnerable baby.
09:10I can't take her to a place like that.
09:12Regarding the baby,
09:14I got in touch with Regal again,
09:16you, after yesterday afternoon,
09:17because Regal was on the radio today,
09:19every night he took him to the Pinoquieto,
09:21he did all kinds of tests on his grandson,
09:23and he is perfectly healthy.
09:25I got in touch with Regal again,
09:26last night, today.
09:27And I asked her for the photos and she showed them to Morena.
09:30She is in a shared cell.
09:33She is alone.
09:34She is in a dungeon.
09:35Alone.
09:36She is in a dungeon alone.
09:37Chipola, what is Morena's situation?
09:39It is serious.
09:40How much more...
09:41Well, let's not add,
09:42because otherwise we have a delay with the mobile.
09:44Let's talk about it one at a time.
09:46I ask the following.
09:48Let's see.
09:49Is Morena the only one involved in this story?
09:51Or...
09:52No.
09:53There are people,
09:54the missing people,
09:55to finish drawing, let's say, the scene.