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00:00So, we have a former member of parliament here with us today.
00:04He's a bit of a loser, isn't he?
00:08Once he becomes a member of parliament, I think he's going to eat a lot.
00:11It's like he has one hit song.
00:13That's right.
00:14Nice to meet you.
00:15Nice to meet you.
00:16Nice to meet you.
00:17Nice to meet you.
00:18Nice to meet you.
00:19It's rare to have a guest on this show, but it seems like you've been criticized a lot from the start.
00:25It's not that bad.
00:27No, but it's really true.
00:29You look like a politician.
00:31That's right.
00:32You look like you're always prepared.
00:35Our guest tonight is former member of parliament, Mr. Taizo Sugimura.
00:40How did you come up with the idea of making a hole like this?
00:43So, that's...
00:44He's a great commentator now, but he's actually full of anger.
00:50It's clear that his life has turned upside down since he became a member of parliament.
00:55You're going to make a comeback in the future, so come to my office.
00:57When I went to his office, I found out that he was working in New York as a top-notch commissioner.
01:01Wow!
01:02I happened to come across his website.
01:05I wonder why you're so lucky.
01:08Tonight, we're going to hear more about his life from Hitoshina's cooking.
01:13So, let's get started.
01:15Sato Koji's Life is the Best Restaurant is a place where he and his wife have similar interests in movies.
01:20That's right.
01:21That's why we got married.
01:23We had similar interests in movies.
01:25We also had similar interests in acting.
01:27When I asked my wife who her favorite actor was,
01:30she said it was Hosei Yamazaki.
01:32That's a perfect score.
01:33Yes.
01:35Tell me what you eat.
01:38I'll tell you who you are.
01:47Blue Mountain.
01:49Third store.
01:55This program is brought to you by Suntory, which lives on water.
02:03Again, tonight's guest is Taizo Sugimura, a former member of parliament and a commentator.
02:08Thank you for having me.
02:10Isn't it better to have a former member of parliament?
02:14No, no. A former member of parliament is forever.
02:16That's true, but...
02:18How about a commentator, Taizo Sugimura?
02:21No, I can't.
02:22Last year, I went to the National Assembly for the first time in over 10 years.
02:26Why?
02:27I was interviewed by Tamaki, a new member of parliament.
02:30It's been a long time since I've been to the National Assembly.
02:33Really?
02:34Then I was surprised.
02:36What?
02:37A former member of parliament still gave me a salute.
02:39Really?
02:40I didn't know that a former member of parliament would give a salute.
02:43What are you talking about?
02:45No, no, no.
02:46You don't know, do you?
02:47What are you talking about?
02:50I asked the staff of this program.
02:53The staff will introduce you to the restaurant.
02:56He said he would like to introduce you to the best way to eat it.
03:00Thank you very much.
03:02Mr. Kato, are you from Hokkaido?
03:04Scallops!
03:05It's really delicious.
03:06I come to Hokkaido every New Year.
03:08How do you eat scallop sashimi?
03:11Wasabi soy sauce.
03:12Thank you very much.
03:14I'll tell you how to eat it better than wasabi soy sauce.
03:19Mix olive oil with yuzu pepper.
03:23It's really delicious.
03:24It's the best if you eat it with white wine.
03:27But I think it's delicious.
03:29You don't have to say it so loudly.
03:32It's delicious, isn't it?
03:34Olive oil, yuzu pepper, and scallops.
03:36I know, I know.
03:38What?
03:39You're going to put that on?
03:40It's not like that.
03:42I thought you were going to say something weird like strawberry jam.
03:45It's like a surprising combination.
03:47What is it?
03:48What are you?
03:50I'm being attacked more than the National Assembly.
03:53I didn't expect such a difficult question.
03:56That's not good.
03:59It means that you are already influential.
04:01If there is someone who is influenced by me, I want you to bring him.
04:05The world sometimes says that.
04:08Kaizo is influential.
04:10Then bring him here.
04:12Bring the Japanese who was influenced by my speech here.
04:15You are stupid.
04:17That's terrible.
04:18I really think so.
04:20I know.
04:21I know.
04:22I can say this much because I'm not influential.
04:26If I thought I was influential, I wouldn't be so reluctant to speak.
04:31I see.
04:32You're saying whatever you want because you're not influential.
04:35That's why I can say it with confidence.
04:37I don't think anyone will be influenced.
04:39Where do we start?
04:41I'll start with a good question.
04:44It's a story about what Kaizo Sugimura wanted the most in his life.
04:49First of all, it's a tea set introduced by the former Prime Minister Koizumi.
04:54It's a tea set of Akasaka Tsuyama of Shinisei Kappo.
04:58That's amazing.
05:00It's a top-notch shop.
05:02It's not that I'm going there.
05:04How did you go there?
05:06Did you go there without permission?
05:07No, I didn't.
05:08I didn't go there without permission.
05:10Prime Minister Koizumi has been a regular customer of this shop for many years.
05:15I see.
05:16It's called the kitchen of the Koizumi family.
05:18That's right.
05:19Mr. Tsuyama is a good person.
05:21After the meeting with Sanjapo on TBS, I got a call from Mr. Takebe.
05:29It was more than 10 years after I became a politician.
05:32He asked me what I was doing.
05:34I said I was on my way home.
05:35He asked me where I was.
05:36I said I was on my way home from TBS.
05:38He said, I'm at the Koizumi family.
05:39I said, are you there?
05:40He said, no, I can't go there.
05:42I'm only wearing a shirt and a jacket.
05:46I said, I'm the only one wearing a shirt and a jacket.
05:48That's why I was invited.
05:50Isn't this photo amazing?
05:52Isn't this photo amazing?
05:54It's amazing.
05:55It's like a fixer.
05:58They are heavyweights.
06:01At one time, they were the members who decided everything in Japan.
06:06They have a good face.
06:08Why were they invited?
06:09It was a meeting of the Koizumi family.
06:11I was doing it on a regular basis.
06:13I did it for several weeks.
06:16I was wondering if Mr. Sugimura, the chairman of the Koizumi family, would come to eat.
06:21I was wondering if Mr. Sugimura, the chairman of the Koizumi family, would come to eat.
06:26I was wondering what Mr. Sugimura was doing.
06:29I got a phone call from him.
06:31Did he take good care of you?
06:33He looked at me with a gentle expression.
06:41He said, I'll do my best.
06:43It's been more than 10 years since I was born.
06:46I was invited to this event.
06:48This is a treasure of my life.
06:51Isn't this when you were a member of the National Assembly?
06:54I wasn't invited when I was a member of the National Assembly.
06:56What did you think of the election at this time?
07:00I was surprised for a moment.
07:06I was nervous.
07:08I was wondering what to do.
07:10I was nervous because there was a regular event.
07:13It's embarrassing.
07:15I was worried about the election.
07:18It's been 15 minutes.
07:20Excuse me.
07:22Did you eat at this time?
07:25I didn't get anything at this time.
07:28I was invited to this event.
07:30I asked the hostess if I could go to this event on the anniversary of my wife's death.
07:34She said yes.
07:36I was invited to this event.
07:38It's a big event, isn't it?
07:40That's right.
07:41There are a lot of people.
07:43Did you like the food there?
07:46All the food was delicious.
07:49All the food was delicious.
07:53How much is one serving?
07:56You can choose the amount of food.
07:58You can choose the amount of food you want to eat.
08:01I think it's about 20,000 to 30,000 yen per person.
08:03I think it's about 20,000 to 30,000 yen per person.
08:05It's a seasonal dish.
08:08Your wife must have been happy.
08:10My wife was nervous.
08:13I see.
08:15This is it.
08:17What is this?
08:20This is a pickled sea bream.
08:24It's like a pickled sea bream.
08:26The pickled sea bream goes well with the soup.
08:29It's a gentle taste.
08:32It's the umami of the sea bream.
08:35It's the umami of the sea bream.
08:38I feel nostalgic.
08:41Koizumi Children was amazing at that time.
08:46That's right.
08:49Mr. Nabetsune, who passed away last year, was angry at me.
08:53Why?
08:55He said I was a political idiot.
08:57Isn't that amazing?
08:59I was 26 years old and I was angry at Mr. Nabetsune.
09:02You said you wanted to ride a BMW.
09:06You said a lot of things at that time.
09:09I have it in my pocket.
09:12I have it in my pocket.
09:14First of all, I want to go to the court as soon as possible.
09:18You are a politician.
09:20That's a ridiculous statement.
09:22And the members of the National Assembly say they can ride a JR.
09:25And all of them are green cars.
09:27Green cars are free to ride.
09:29Did you know this because of my statement?
09:31That's right.
09:32I'm sorry to say this.
09:35But that's all.
09:37You didn't improve it.
09:40I was happy to hear that I could get this much.
09:43That's right.
09:45You were excited.
09:47I was 26 years old and I won the election.
09:49I said I wanted to ride a BMW.
09:51I said I wanted to ride a BMW.
09:53The world was suddenly bashed.
09:55How did you feel at that time?
09:56I didn't feel pain or itch.
09:58At that time, there was no SNS.
10:01That's right.
10:03I was at my limit.
10:06If I were in the Internet era, I wouldn't be here now.
10:12I searched for a scene where I wanted to ride a car.
10:16But I couldn't find a video.
10:19Because it was a TV report.
10:21But you said you wanted a BMW.
10:23I think I said that in front of the National Assembly.
10:26In front of the National Assembly?
10:28When did you go to the National Assembly for the first time?
10:31When I joined the National Assembly for the first time, I was already beaten.
10:34That's right.
10:36At that time, I was asked if I really wanted to buy a BMW.
10:39I see.
10:41At that time, the director told me not to say a word.
10:45Really?
10:47I apologized in just two weeks after I was elected.
10:52I apologized in a childish way.
10:56I was the last one to apologize.
10:58That's right.
11:00I'm really sorry.
11:03I was chosen as a candidate.
11:05I had a bad image of being a candidate.
11:08I see.
11:10Shinjiro came after me.
11:13That's great, isn't it?
11:15I'm still sorry that I had a bad image of being a candidate.
11:21Do you think so?
11:22I don't think so.
11:25Where do you want to go next?
11:27Next is a high and delicious item.
11:31Next is a hamburger impressed by the Shokenman era.
11:37This is a hamburger from Oak Door in Grand Hyatt Tokyo.
11:43What is this?
11:45I don't know this.
11:47When I joined the Shoken company, I went to a restaurant called Oak Door on Friday.
11:58There was a bar counter there.
12:00The bar counter was a place where Shokenmen and Kinuman gathered.
12:08I was taken there.
12:12It was a place where I remembered that there was such a wonderful space for me at the age of 23 or 24.
12:20Is the hamburger you ate there delicious?
12:23It was delicious.
12:26It's delicious.
12:28I've never eaten it before.
12:29It's delicious.
12:31It's so big that it's hard to eat.
12:35It's expensive, isn't it?
12:36It's expensive and everyone eats it well.
12:43It's nice to be surrounded by the elite.
12:46Is the patty delicious?
12:48It's delicious.
12:49It's a charcoal-grilled patty.
12:51It's two slices of cheddar cheese.
12:54It's delicious.
12:57The meat looks delicious.
12:58That's right.
12:59It's big.
13:03This is...
13:06Is this fried onion?
13:09It's hard to eat this.
13:11This is delicious.
13:15It looks very delicious.
13:16It looks delicious.
13:20You're going to be a soccer player.
13:23Did you start playing soccer after graduating from college?
13:26No, I dropped out of college.
13:28Who are you?
13:30What were you doing?
13:32Where did you come from?
13:34What's your background?
13:35I was a tennis player at Moya High School in Sapporo.
13:38I've been a tennis player since I was a kid.
13:40I went to Tsukuba University.
13:41Did you enter Tsukuba University for an exam?
13:43I entered Tsukuba University for a sports competition.
13:46Was tennis that great?
13:48I won the national championship.
13:49Did you win the national championship?
13:50That's a lie.
13:52That's a lie.
13:54You don't look like an athlete at all.
13:57Is it official?
13:58Yes, it's official.
13:59That's amazing.
14:01Did you want to be a professional player?
14:04I didn't want to be a professional player at all.
14:06I thought I couldn't make money by playing tennis.
14:08You're going to Tsukuba University now.
14:10I'm going to enter Tsukuba University now.
14:12Did you enter Tsukuba University for a sports competition?
14:15Yes, I entered Tsukuba University for a sports competition.
14:17I was interested in politics and law.
14:20I was interested in politics and law.
14:23I was interested in politics and law.
14:26You didn't do it later?
14:27I didn't do it later.
14:28Really?
14:29My graduation letter says I'm going to be a politician in the future.
14:32When did you write that?
14:34It's in my graduation album.
14:36Really?
14:37I really wrote it.
14:38And then?
14:39Tsukuba University is a good university.
14:41There are many departments in one campus.
14:44I took classes in various departments.
14:46I dropped out of physical education and took classes in economics.
14:50I dropped out of physical education and took classes in economics.
14:52That's what helped me in the future.
14:55You didn't get into your own department.
14:58I already knew that.
15:02I didn't feel the need.
15:04I wanted to know more.
15:06So I took classes in other departments.
15:08I took classes in other departments.
15:10But you couldn't graduate, right?
15:12I didn't get my graduation letter.
15:15What did you do when you dropped out of school?
15:17I dropped out of school.
15:18Your parents must have scolded you.
15:20I studied there for six years.
15:23I was wondering what to do.
15:25There was a Hallowark in Iidabashi.
15:27I went there and talked to people.
15:30I thought I could be a dispatcher.
15:33I was dispatched to the building where the company is located.
15:36What was your job?
15:38I was a cleaner.
15:39A cleaner?
15:41When I was cleaning the floor,
15:44the people at the company wanted to work with me.
15:47Why?
15:48They said I cleaned the floor very well.
15:50Where did you clean?
15:52Toilets and corridors.
15:54I cleaned the whole floor.
15:56And?
15:57I was headhunted by Goldman Sachs.
16:00An American from Canada was my boss.
16:03He said,
16:04If you want to be successful in the future, come to my company.
16:06I'll use you at my company.
16:09You were a cleaner.
16:11Yes, I was.
16:13I organized lockers and documents.
16:18I did those things at first.
16:21And?
16:22I didn't know that.
16:24I was assigned to an investigation department.
16:27There were many analysts.
16:30There were players with billions of yen.
16:33I brought files to them.
16:36I had a lot of things to do.
16:38At that time,
16:39Mr. Sugimura said,
16:41Mr. Kato,
16:42I saw your report the other day.
16:45It was amazing.
16:47I didn't know you were going to be in the company.
16:51Mr. Kato,
16:52If you don't mind, please use me for anything.
16:55Please use me for anything,
16:57especially for cleaning the floor.
16:59I said,
17:00Oh, I see.
17:01Then,
17:02more and more analysts told me to do this.
17:05I said,
17:06I'm glad to help you.
17:08I used to be a cleaner when I was a college student.
17:11I don't have to do such a big job to close this file.
17:17I'm so happy.
17:19That's amazing.
17:20I said,
17:21I like this company.
17:23My closing time is until 5 o'clock.
17:25I don't need overtime from now on.
17:27I'll be in the company in private.
17:30I want to help you anyway.
17:33That's what I said.
17:35Then,
17:36I said,
17:37I'm going to go drinking with you.
17:39Then,
17:40I got to the back door.
17:42That's amazing.
17:43Did you become an analyst there?
17:45If I had gone there,
17:47I would have been a top-notch witness.
17:50I would have worked in New York.
17:52Then,
17:53you would have gone there if you were me.
17:56I thought I'd go there.
17:58I worked there for almost two years.
18:00I thought I'd do my best.
18:02Then, the director called me.
18:04He said,
18:05you're doing a good job.
18:06I'll give you a big mission here.
18:08At that time,
18:09Coizumi's election was canceled.
18:11August 2005.
18:12I said,
18:13if the election is successful,
18:16the stock price will go up.
18:18He said,
18:19you should look up where the election is.
18:21I said,
18:22I don't know where the election is.
18:24I looked it up.
18:25I happened to find it on the JIP's website.
18:28At this time,
18:29the JIP is applying for a company.
18:31It's a part-time exam.
18:32It's a paper exam.
18:33The topic is,
18:34your thoughts on the privatization and structural reform.
18:37Please write it down in 1,600 characters.
18:40When I saw this,
18:41I wrote down what the investigation director said,
18:44what the sales director said,
18:46what the investor said,
18:48and what some ministers said.
18:50I wrote it down in 1,600 characters.
18:53You wrote about politics and privatization,
18:55including the economy.
18:57At the end,
18:58I wrote,
19:00Mr. Koizumi, please do your best.
19:03Two days later,
19:04I got a call from the head office.
19:06I said,
19:07I read your paper.
19:08It was a great paper.
19:10I thought it would be good.
19:11That's not your opinion.
19:13You just wrote what you heard.
19:15Mr. Koizumi,
19:16I wrote it with the feeling of a fan letter.
19:18I see.
19:19But when you were in elementary school,
19:20you wrote that you wanted to be a politician.
19:22I felt like I was applying for a company.
19:26But I didn't think
19:27I would be read like that.
19:30That's a great fortune.
19:32What is your fortune?
19:34That's a great life.
19:36I wonder what would have happened
19:38if I had stayed in the insurance company.
19:42You probably quit the insurance company.
19:44I think so.
19:45I might have gone to a hedge fund.
19:48I collected a lot of money myself
19:50and applied for a lot of companies.
19:52In the end,
19:53I wanted to be a remodeling fund.
19:54Now?
19:55In the future?
19:56Do you like money?
19:57Yes, I like money.
19:59I like to move.
20:00When I was in the insurance company,
20:02I was told that money saved people's lives.
20:04I think money is important.
20:07You're starting to sound like a con man.
20:09That's right.
20:10Why do I sound like a con man?
20:13You're starting to sound like a con man.
20:15That's why it's okay.
20:16What?
20:17That's why no one is affected.
20:19Next,
20:20let's move on to the third item.
20:21This is the best item in my life.
20:25I'd like to introduce it to you.
20:27The best item in Sugimura Kaizo's life.
20:32It's his favorite local soul food.
20:35Salt ramen.
20:37Salt ramen in Baikouken,
20:40which is located in local Asahikawa.
20:42It's Asahikawa ramen.
20:44I've eaten a lot of ramen,
20:47but I can't eat Baikouken ramen.
20:50You've been eating it since you were a kid.
20:52I've been eating it since I was a kid.
20:54It's delicious.
20:56It's cold in Asahikawa,
21:00so it's good to eat ramen at minus 15 to 20 degrees.
21:03Here.
21:05Is this the main store?
21:06Yes, it is.
21:08It's like the old days.
21:10It really hasn't changed.
21:12It's famous.
21:13There are a lot of autographs.
21:14It's been 69 years.
21:15It's been 55 years.
21:16There are autographs of various people,
21:19but I've never been asked to give me an autograph.
21:22Isn't that miso?
21:24There's a lot of salt in Asahikawa.
21:25Is that so?
21:26What about the ingredients?
21:28My favorite ingredients are
21:30vegetables and char siu.
21:33These are all on the ramen.
21:35This is really delicious.
21:38I want to eat it.
21:39This is delicious.
21:41Let's eat this.
21:42It looks delicious.
21:43It warms you up in this season.
21:45It's the best.
21:46Salt.
21:48People say miso.
21:50People say miso.
21:51I understand.
21:52Salt is delicious in Hokkaido.
21:54Char siu looks delicious, too.
21:58After this,
21:59Azen for the best reason in life.
22:03You came here to say that today.
22:05That's right.
22:08Most of the time,
22:09the first half is fine.
22:13The president here is
22:15President Inoue.
22:17Do you know him?
22:18I know him.
22:19He is my benefactor.
22:22He is the chairman of the Asahikawa Peace Street Shopping District.
22:29He gave me a lot of advice.
22:31Is he the chairman?
22:32Yes, he is.
22:33What I'm working on the most right now
22:36is the activation of the shopping district.
22:38Why?
22:39Are you a volunteer?
22:40No, it's my business.
22:41It's your business.
22:42This is really my business.
22:45You're doing a lot of things.
22:47Shopping districts are now
22:49shuttered and coin parking places.
22:52There are various definitions of local revitalization.
22:55It is very important to revitalize the shopping district in front of the station.
23:00That's right.
23:01President Inoue of the Asahikawa Peace Street Shopping District gave me a lot of advice.
23:06I see.
23:07That's why you know him.
23:09I want to spread this all over the country.
23:12That's what I'm working on.
23:15You came here to say that today.
23:17That's right.
23:20You came here to say that today.
23:22I'm fine with the first half.
23:26I don't care about the second half.
23:29No, no, no.
23:35Cheers.
23:37Thank you for today.
23:42It's delicious.
23:43It's delicious, isn't it?
23:44It's delicious.
23:46Can I ask you one last question?
23:47Yes.
23:48I heard that you proposed to your wife many times.
23:52I finally proposed to her for the fifth time.
23:56That's great.
23:58That's right.
23:59We've been married for 17 years.
24:01I have three children.
24:03That's great.
24:04It's really important that you don't give up.
24:07You've never given up, have you?
24:08That's right.
24:10Thanks to you, I'm healthy.
24:12I'm grateful for that.
24:13Even if you get bashed, you don't complain.
24:16You just pretend to be happy.
24:17That's right.
24:18You look happy, but you're like,
24:19I hope it ends soon.
24:23This program was brought to you by Suntory.
24:32Even if you say what you think on TV now,
24:35you won't be trusted, so you don't have to say anything.
24:37You don't have the influence you have now.
24:44Next time on Kunimura Jun.
24:46What are you holding?
24:47It's an old Porsche.
24:48NARO.
24:49You're holding NARO?
24:50I'm so proud of you.
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