Chief Justice Yahya Afridi Engages in Open Conversation with Journalists... Mohammad Malik
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00:00Today we will talk about the judges, because today we are talking about the judges.
00:04Earlier Mohsin Akhlaq Kiani was the High Court judge, who was the senior judge, but when Sir Faiyaz Dogar was brought from Lahore as the 15th judge,
00:12the senior peony judge, now he is at number 2, but he is at number 3, because Aamir Farooq is still there.
00:17He gave a slap.
00:19While listening to the proceedings of a case, he said that the state system is no more.
00:24The state is in the air.
00:26The courts, the parliament, the executives, everything has collapsed.
00:30Living in Pakistan is a constant struggle.
00:32There are 24-25 crore people.
00:34Those who fight more, those who survive less.
00:37This is what he said.
00:39Then we saw the reaction.
00:41The Speaker of the National Assembly said, who are the judges, to talk about the courts and parliament?
00:46And he told the Law Minister to send him a message, that he can't do this.
00:51And then there were more serious talks.
00:54On the other side, the Chief Justice of Pakistan, Yahya Faridi, when he spoke to the delegations of the IMF,
01:01the journalists who cover the Supreme Court, he called them and briefed them.
01:08What happened, what didn't.
01:10But when he was talking about everything, he said 2-4 very interesting things.
01:14First, he said that if the judges had not boycotted the Judicial Commission meeting,
01:20because you remember, Mansoor Ali Shah and Munir Akhtar, they had left,
01:24then the results would have been different.
01:27The judge who had come from Peshawar, instead of him, more senior judges would have come.
01:30Anyway, such things.
01:32Then he said that we are bringing Justice Aurangzeb, Acting Justice of the Supreme Court,
01:39because the judges here, my brother judges, who used to work on taxation,
01:44because they are not listening to the cases, so they have to bring him.
01:47The critics say that Justice Gullis and Aurangzeb are being brought for other reasons,
01:52because they were seen, their decisions.
01:55So many people thought in the government,
01:57that perhaps their decisions were favoring a particular party more.
02:01But anyway, what are all these opinions, we can't say anything about this.
02:05But these are all things.
02:06Then he said, let the system work, I told the judges, the people who write letters,
02:10let the system work.
02:12Is this system worth letting it work?
02:15Or are you really talking about things like this?
02:18But he said one more very interesting thing.
02:20He said, yesterday I objected to a specific name in the seniority list,
02:25and the Attorney General agreed with me.
02:27Trust the system.
02:28Yesterday the system said, the exchange has been mixed wrongly with seniority.
02:33There is a clear reference to Justice Dogar,
02:36who is being fought over in the Islamabad High Court.
02:39That he was brought from Punjab on the 15th,
02:41or that when Amir Farooq will go to the Supreme Court,
02:46he will be the senior judge.
02:48The next Chief Justice will most likely be from the Islamabad High Court.
02:51If he wants to elevate, the government can go to the Supreme Court.
02:55But along with that, the Justice said,
02:57but because I have given my mind,
02:59if this is a seniority issue,
03:01then I will not be a part of that bench.
03:05There is a mixed bag going on.
03:08Because the critics are saying that
03:10if the Chief Justice had simply refused
03:13on the issue of the transfer of judges,
03:15then perhaps this whole Islamabad issue would not have happened.
03:18If he had said,
03:20that we will take the judges of the Supreme Court
03:22only when the 26th Amendment is passed,
03:25then also this would not have happened.
03:27So is the Chief Justice walking the talk or not?
03:30This is the question you are asking.
03:32There are many other interesting things about PTI.
03:35The Chairman of PTI, Mr. Imran Khan, said
03:38that he will write the third letter.
03:40There was no answer to the first two letters.
03:42So why is he writing the third letter?
03:44This will also be discussed.
03:46And along with that, there was a lot of protest today.
03:49There was a lot of noise in the National Assembly.
03:52But very hefty pay raises.
03:55The MNAs have increased the salaries.
03:57The Senators have already done it.
03:59And they made a big show of PTI.
04:01The question arises, is it just a show?
04:04Or will the PTI people refuse to take these new salaries?
04:07We will talk about this too.
04:09There are two parts of the program.
04:11In the first part, we will talk to Mr. Salman Iqram Raja.
04:13He is the Secretary General of PTI.
04:15He is a serial lawyer.
04:17In the second part, we will talk to Mr. Rana Salawallah.
04:19Again, doesn't need any introduction.