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PTI, PMLN leaders' reacts to Fawad Chaudhry, Shoaib Shaheen fight
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00:00Peace be upon you, I am Ashfaq Ishaq Sati and you are watching Khair Magadam, today is
00:18the day of Peer and over the weekend we think that the situation should be calm and the
00:23narrator should write peace but we have seen that there have been a lot of incidents of
00:29violence and then we have seen the statements of the opposition and then if we talk about
00:32Tehreek-e-Insaaf, then within the party we felt that there are some opposing voices
00:40being heard, so what is the reason for this, we will try to find out.
00:44Along with this, we will also talk about the United Nations, the Noon League and People's
00:48Party, they say that it is a friendly fire or we get the impression that the statements
00:53are being made but at the end of the day they stay together, so what are the reasons for
00:58this, let's start with Sher Afzal Marwad, he was expelled a few days ago and his statement
01:04regarding the party issues, let's show you first.
01:08I don't think that the party issues are right, we have moved away from our practical work,
01:14people go for two things, either someone has to become a minister, someone has to become
01:19the chairman of the committee, someone has to become an advisor, the second thing is that
01:23there is a delay in putting things in the hands of the people, people's fate is decided
01:27by fate, I think that Sardar Ali Ameen Khan Gandapur has his own people to make him fall.
01:33Imagine to what extent this situation is going, which was pointed out, then the situation
01:39between Shoaib Shaheen and Fawad Chaudhary was presented and it is saddening and on
01:44top of this, the condemnation from the party came out, from Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf,
01:48this is the matter in front of you, and on top of that, a tweet was made on behalf of
01:53Fawad Chaudhary and on behalf of Faisal, a reply was also tweeted.
01:59So you see, he is brother of Fawad Chaudhary, but he gave his point of view on the party
02:04issues.
02:05Okay, the PTI, the meeting of the political committee, about which I told you about the
02:10notification, they condemned this attitude, the criminal attitude they declared, and then
02:16what happened in the further party, we will talk about this as well.
02:19Okay, from this, we get the opportunity to talk about the other parties as well.
02:23Maryam Nawaz Sahiba, who is the Chief Minister of Punjab at the moment, in a speech, what
02:28attitude did she adopt, we will show you first.
02:46Okay, now as far as I have given this reference, then I will come to the unity between the
02:52parties.
02:53It's a very tricky situation.
02:55You can imagine that the People's Party says that we are with the government, we are
03:00not a part of the government.
03:02And then when you come and look at the situation, then the position of the President, then
03:07the position of the Chairman of the Senate, then the rest of the positions of the Governors,
03:11then it seems that they are a part of the government as well, but they do not agree
03:15with this.
03:16They try to keep themselves distant.
03:18But the process of statement is going on.
03:20Mr. Sharjeel Inam Memon, who is the Senior Minister of Sindh, what statement did he give?
03:24Let's listen to it.
03:25Then we will start the program.
03:42So, what to say about this?
03:45Is Ravi Chain not writing?
03:47Or is this a friendly fire?
03:49What is happening?
03:50Is it a friendly opposition?
03:52Or is there something serious?
03:54Because concerns and grievances of the People's Party are present.
03:57On the program, we will talk about the guests who are present with us.
04:00Let's introduce them.
04:01Mr. Rana Ahsan Afzal, Pakistan Muslim League.
04:03We will talk about him as well.
04:05Thank you very much for your time.
04:08Also, Senator Humayun Mohammad is present with us on behalf of Tehreek-e-Insaf.
04:12So, Mr. Rana, let's start from you.
04:14In the beginning, on the weekend, I was saying that things should be done peacefully.
04:20Mr. Shoaib Shaheen is a senior person.
04:22Mr. Fawad Chaudhary.
04:23There are arguments among each other.
04:25But they should be increased to such an extent that they become the adornment of the media.
04:30So, what is this indication?
04:32What does the other party, for example, the Jamaat of your Jamaat, look at these things?
04:36What do they assess?
04:37In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
04:39Look, I think the biggest flaw of PTI is that Mr. Khan still tries to take the direction
04:44of a convicted criminal on corruption cases.
04:46And Mr. Khan has not transferred the leadership ahead.
04:48So, first of all, I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
04:51I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
04:53I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
04:55I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
04:57I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
04:59I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
05:01I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
05:03I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
05:05I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
05:07I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
05:09I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
05:11I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
05:13I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
05:15I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
05:17I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
05:19I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
05:21I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
05:23I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
05:25I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
05:27I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
05:29I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
05:31I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
05:33I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
05:35I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
05:37I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
05:39I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
05:41I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
05:43I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
05:45I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
05:47I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
05:49I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
05:51I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
05:53I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
05:55I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
05:57I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
05:59I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
06:01I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
06:03I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
06:05I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
06:07I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
06:09I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
06:11I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
06:13I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
06:15I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
06:17I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
06:19I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
06:21I would like to thank Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
06:23You are writing something, you are preparing something,
06:25You are writing something, you are preparing something,
06:27What is it?
06:29Who is talking?
06:37...
06:39...
06:41...
06:43..
06:45...
06:47...
06:49...
06:51Their Prime Minister, Mian Nawaz, Mian Shahbaz Sharif,
06:59he himself doesn't take decisions.
07:01He says, I don't know where he comes from, but he says that he takes direction from Mian Nawaz Sharif.
07:07They have big brothers.
07:09Now the question is, are they big brothers or party leaders?
07:13So if they are party leaders, then okay, you are taking direction from your leadership.
07:19If they are big brothers, then you are the Prime Minister.
07:21If you can't do it, then make the big brother the Prime Minister.
07:25Okay, there is no issue in taking direction.
07:27Listen, listen, leave him, leave him.
07:31Direction can be anything.
07:33He is also MNE.
07:35These poor people don't come.
07:37They don't come to Parliament because of this sorrow.
07:41They would have made them sit.
07:43They were brought here by the small brother.
07:45We will make such a big ad for you.
07:47Mian Nawaz Sharif, fourth time Prime Minister.
07:49Okay.
07:51The small brother pulled the whole seat from below.
07:55It was done by their will.
07:57Whatever it was not done by their will.
07:59How hard they will fall, only their heart can tell.
08:01Nawaz Sharif had pronounced Shahbaz Sharif as the Prime Minister.
08:05None of them had the authority to decide.
08:09Let's move on.
08:11Why are you blaming them for Shahbaz Sharif?
08:13I am talking.
08:15When they will talk, I will also talk.
08:17I know that Maulana Fazlur Rahman has said that
08:19these people have no moral justification.
08:23And neither are they actually capable of it.
08:25Let's come back to that.
08:27No, don't go ahead.
08:29I have heard three things.
08:31How much is true and how much is false,
08:33can be verified later.
08:35One, we have always heard that
08:37Qadi Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah never lost a case.
08:39It is possible that he lost one or two cases,
08:41but we don't know.
08:43Then we have heard that Imran Khan never lost a case.
08:45It is possible that he lost one or two cases,
08:47but it is general to hear.
08:49And one thing we have heard that
08:51Mian Nawaz Sharif never told his source of income.
08:53These three things are one.
08:55It is a standard thing that people say.
08:57Generally.
08:59Anyway, let's move on.
09:01The problem is,
09:03like you have also talked about Mariam Sahiba.
09:05I will go to that as well.
09:07I will not forget.
09:09My question was that
09:11in Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf,
09:13what happened between
09:15Fawad Chaudhry and Shoaib Shaheen
09:17and the statements made by Fawad Shaheen,
09:19I am sure you must be aware.
09:21For the party,
09:23when the central leader
09:25is in jail,
09:27is this kind of attitude
09:29or statement
09:31or highlighting of such things
09:33at this level?
09:35Is it appropriate?
09:37Let me tell you one thing.
09:39You should never reach
09:41such a situation.
09:43You should be well composed.
09:45Even if you get angry,
09:47you should control it.
09:49Let's move on.
09:53I personally like Fawad Chaudhry
09:55a lot.
09:57He is a very sharp mind.
09:59Very sharp mind,
10:01in every way.
10:03But according to Imran Khan's statement,
10:05as of today, he is not a part of
10:07Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
10:09To the best of my knowledge.
10:11He is not a part of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
10:13To the best of my knowledge.
10:15People like him, who have a sharp mind,
10:17who are good, who are youngsters,
10:19they should be part of PTI.
10:21But was he expelled from the party
10:23like Sher Afzal?
10:25I don't think so.
10:27I think he left it himself.
10:29When he came back, he said
10:31he is a part of the party.
10:43This is what he is saying.
10:59What direction did he get from his side?
11:01If he had said he is not a part of the party,
11:03he would have said he is not a part of the party.
11:05Both of them met after that.
11:07Both of them met after that.
11:09Do you really think
11:11the problem of Pakistan is discussing
11:13the problem of PTI?
11:15I will give you an example.
11:17I will tell you why this is important.
11:19Just allow me.
11:21The house is burning.
11:23You tell me, doctor,
11:25I have a severe headache.
11:27The house is burning.
11:31I am talking as a brother.
11:33The whole of Pakistan is burning.
11:35Your GDP is not going above 0.9.
11:37Sir, listen to me.
11:39We will come to that also.
11:41I will talk to Mr. Rana.
11:43But do you remember
11:45all the alphabets
11:47that were used?
11:49Sir, tell me one thing.
11:51What was Mr. Javed Lateef saying?
11:53He lost the election.
11:55He is not a part of the government.
11:57He is not a part of the party.
11:59He is a PMLN.
12:01He is a spokesperson for
12:03Mian Nawaz Sharif.
12:05Listen to me.
12:07Mr. Rana, tell me
12:09how this is happening.
12:11As Mr. Sher Afzal Marwar has said.
12:13He has been saying
12:15that the corruption
12:17is being done
12:19and decisions are being made.
12:21He is also mentioning Ali Amin Gandapur
12:23and other people.
12:25Mr. Mohammad is saying
12:27that these are not such big issues.
12:29But when such small issues
12:31used to come up in your party,
12:33there used to be discussions
12:35and people used to try to get an idea
12:37whether the party is on the same page.
12:39Let me tell you.
12:41According to him,
12:43this is the most popular party in Pakistan.
12:45According to him,
12:47the ex-Prime Minister Khan
12:49will get another chance.
12:51Look at the state of the party.
12:53Look at the state of the party
12:55which writes letters to the IMF
12:57and does not give loans.
12:59Look at the state of the party
13:01which is lobbying in the US.
13:03Look at the state of the party
13:05which is fighting against the interests
13:07of Pakistan and the economy.
13:09Look at the state of the party.
13:11This is important.
13:13He is saying that this is not necessary.
13:15This is absolutely necessary.
13:17According to him,
13:19the party which does not have
13:21a line of leadership
13:23is being condemned.
13:25Did Mr. Khan condemn this?
13:27Did Mr. Khan say
13:29that this should not have happened?
13:31They say that they have become friends.
13:33One person says that they have not become friends.
13:35The other person says that they have become friends.
13:37You should not condemn such politics.
13:39This is not something new.
13:41Even in Madinah,
13:43when they raised slogans
13:45that should never have been raised
13:47in Madinah,
13:49even then Mr. Khan did not condemn.
13:51The people of the PTI
13:53who were punished for 8-10 years
13:55were pardoned by Mr. Shabaz Sharif
13:57after being released from jail.
13:59This is the history of this party.
14:01I think that
14:03they have reached a point
14:05where they have to face
14:07disorganization,
14:09fights.
14:11The people need to learn
14:13from this.
14:15The question is
14:17that for example,
14:19Mr. Junaid Akbar
14:21has a soft spot for Mr. Marwad.
14:23He said that he will meet him and
14:25talk to him about this.
14:27Mr. Ali Ameen Gandapur
14:29will also have a discussion.
14:31He says that
14:33the PTI has moved away
14:35from its practical work.
14:37Removing a minister
14:39and making respectable people fall
14:41are two different things.
14:43You are going to make a
14:45grand alliance
14:47against the government.
14:49For that,
14:51if you do not have unity
14:53then what message
14:55would it give
14:57to your partners?
14:59Let me explain one thing to you.
15:01Sometimes
15:03it happens that
15:05in your mind
15:07you are not sure
15:09whether to do this or not.
15:11But your decision-making
15:13as a body,
15:15your mind tells you to do this
15:17and your heart supports it.
15:19My question was
15:21that these optics matter a lot.
15:23Does your party
15:25and government
15:27matter?
15:29That is your suggestion.
15:31Is the party
15:33on the same page
15:35that it has made
15:37an alliance against the government
15:39so that the people
15:41and the alliance
15:43are with you?
15:45First of all,
15:47the alliance
15:49is not based on
15:51whether Dr. Humayun
15:53and Junaid Akbar
15:55have a fight
15:57or not.
15:59The alliance is based on
16:01your party policy.
16:03As a political party,
16:05what is your stance
16:07on this issue?
16:11First of all,
16:13they should make a
16:15grand alliance
16:17within PTI.
16:19Then they can talk about
16:21an alliance.
16:23It is a divided party.
16:25Let me give you an example.
16:27Mr. Khan was
16:29punished for 14 years.
16:31Ms. Bushra was punished
16:33for 7 years for corruption.
16:35There was not a single
16:37gathering of 10 people
16:39within KPK.
16:41They left Punjab,
16:43Sindh, Balochistan.
16:45They are the most popular party
16:47in all four provinces.
16:49They did not even protest
16:51on social media.
16:53Now they wanted to celebrate
16:55Yom Siyah.
16:57Either they have become so good
16:59that the government
17:01has asked them to leave.
17:03Their political system
17:05has been destroyed.
17:07They are no longer in unity.
17:09They are fighting
17:11with each other.
17:13I have just told you
17:15that every action
17:17that is against the country
17:19becomes a part of it.
17:21They have become sick.
17:23We told them to come
17:25to the House committee
17:27and we will talk there.
17:29What do the Republicans say?
17:31Now,
17:33the level of
17:35misbehaviour,
17:37aggression,
17:39and anti-government
17:41has to be brought down.
17:43Mr. Khan has made
17:45a standard and they have
17:47rejected it.
17:49The role of the government
17:51is to play its role
17:53and initiate talks.
17:55We have offered the House committee
17:57and what else can we do?
17:59This is the difference.
18:01When we are in opposition,
18:03we talk about the
18:05Charter of Economy.
18:07When we are in government,
18:09we show the way to parliament.
18:11When they are in government,
18:13they blackmail the chairman
18:15of the NAB
18:17and give him an ordinance.
18:19When they are in opposition,
18:21they talk to the opposition.
18:23That's a cycle that needs
18:25to be stopped somewhere.
18:27What goes around,
18:29comes around.
18:31I will listen to
18:33what Mr. Akbar has to say
18:35and then I will answer.
18:51Mr. Mohammad,
18:53is this the only way?
18:55When you and I
18:57are having discussions,
18:59you ask me to give
19:01an in-writing.
19:03I don't understand why
19:05I should give an in-writing.
19:07Most probably,
19:09you don't want to show
19:11to anyone what you have
19:13ordered.
19:15We have given
19:17an in-writing.
19:19The problem we have
19:21is that if two people,
19:23PMLN as a party,
19:25go against it,
19:27and they do a press conference
19:29with Mr. Murana
19:31and Mr. Tarar
19:33and say,
19:35we have to do this.
19:37But when the head
19:39of that committee
19:41is endorsing them,
19:43you tell me,
19:45why should I talk to them?
19:47Irfan sir.
19:49Because they thought
19:51something was leaked.
19:53If something was leaked,
19:55they should have said,
19:57this leakage is wrong.
19:59If PTI had already
20:01given this to the press,
20:03it was not a good thing.
20:05But we will answer
20:07whether it is possible or not.
20:09This is impossible
20:11to go further with these demands.
20:13So that means,
20:15it is impossible.
20:17I will take your word for it.
20:19I think you are speaking the truth.
20:21If you are lying,
20:23I will say you are lying.
20:25You are making an impression
20:27that this is something else.
20:29Or you say we are two-faced.
20:31We say something is different.
20:33So I will take your word for it.
20:35If you are really
20:37honest,
20:39then why did you do
20:41a wrong press conference?
20:43Why did you lie?
20:45And if you did not lie,
20:47then what?
20:49After that,
20:51we have a prerogative
20:53to talk to people.
20:55We will go to break.
20:57It is a divided party.
20:59Junaid Akhbar
21:01vs. Gandapur.
21:03Let them decide
21:05Marwat vs.
21:07Salman Raja,
21:09the general secretary of PTI.
21:11Shoaib Shaheen vs. Fawad Chaudhary.
21:13Apart from this,
21:15As of now,
21:17he is not a part of the party.
21:19But no one has expelled him.
21:21It is a divided house.
21:23If we are asking
21:25why they will talk to us,
21:27then they should not.
21:29I have already told you
21:31that we have to offer our work.
21:33But when it comes to negotiations,
21:35they are saying that
21:37if there was no press conference,
21:39then the negotiations would have continued.
21:41They did not do it.
21:43They had their own opinion
21:45that apart from the negotiations,
21:47we will not listen to
21:49their statements.
21:51This was decided.
21:53This is not the reason.
21:55We have waited for them.
21:57We waited till 31st January.
21:59They had their own deadline.
22:01They walked out.
22:03Even then,
22:05they thought that
22:07Mr. Khan's punishment
22:09will be compensated
22:11and they lost their trust.
22:13We will take a break.
22:15We will continue the discussion
22:17after the break.
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31:05If our reforms kick in, then we should definitely reduce the rates of taxes.
31:12We understand that this burden should not have been placed on the salaried class as well.
31:17So that the economic turmoil that we have gone through, we have to take these hard steps in the IMF program.
31:25But we are heading towards the right direction.
31:27Let me tell you something. I don't talk about myself. I will tell you about the World Bank.
31:32What they are saying today that we have gone through an economic turmoil,
31:37that was from June 2022 till today.
31:42This was the economic turmoil.
31:44In which the nose dived.
31:46It was your entire tenure.
31:47I am telling you the facts.
31:49The World Bank says that the tax to GDP ratio was 9.22% during the time of Pakistan's Tariq-e-Insaf.
32:01Then came the Pakistan Destruction Movement Part 1.
32:06In that, it fell to 7%.
32:10As of today, the World Bank says that they have not taken it out yet.
32:15They were talking about exports.
32:1731.8 billion was in the time of Pakistan's Tariq-e-Insaf.
32:21Then it fell to 27.
32:24Today, it is at 24.
32:28So that means even today, it is not where Pakistan's Tariq-e-Insaf is.
32:31Let the year end. We will reach by the 30th.
32:33Be patient.
32:34The highest ever exports will happen.
32:36At least you can do something.
32:39We have the numbers.
32:40But you can do something.
32:42For example, you keep telling them not to send remittances.
32:47That is for the country.
32:48And you see, they have maintained $3 billion in Jain Feb.
32:51Did you know that the IMF fined Pakistan in 1999 for a figure of $50 billion or $50 million?
33:02And on top of that, it was reported that Ishaq Dar had fudged the figures.
33:06Okay.
33:07I will tell you.
33:08He is talking about the past.
33:10I will tell you.
33:13I will only say one thing.
33:15Our time is almost up.
33:17One thing is that the IMF program that was completed from 2013 to 2016 was also in their time.
33:22Fair enough.
33:23Out of 25, how much did they take?
33:26If we look at their percentage,
33:30You took 0%.
33:32You failed in one program.
33:34I took a program of 6 billion.
33:38PTI took 6 billion.
33:40PTI has used only 3 billion in 3.5-4 years.
33:43Do you understand that thing?
33:45We did not use it.
33:47We will take a break here.
33:48Thank you so much for your time.
33:49Thank you so much, Mr. Mohamad.
33:50Thank you so much, Mr. Rana Afzal for your time.
33:51We will take a break here.
33:52After the break, we will conclude the program.
33:56After the break, we welcome you back.
33:58And at the end of the program, I would just like to say that
34:01Tehreek-e-Insaf wants that against the government,
34:03they think that people are with them.
34:05But they want a movement against the government
34:09in which Maulana Fazlur Rehman or other people are with them,
34:12along with the people of Pakistan.
34:14But the current message is that
34:17even within the party, the people of the party are not with each other.
34:20This rivalry, this clash,
34:23this way of treating each other,
34:26this way of making statements,
34:28these attempts to remove it,
34:29this does not give a positive image of the party.
34:32If the party wants to do something against the government,
34:34then of course, they will have to create unity in their own ranks.
34:37That's all for now from the program.
34:39Give permission to Ashfaq Satti.
34:40Allah Hafiz