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00:00Now, back to Stiney and Guru on 95.7 The Game.
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00:15Let's get to Willard and David.
00:16This is the crossover.
00:17Gentlemen.
00:18So much.
00:19Stiney.
00:20Good to see you guys.
00:21Look at you.
00:22Man.
00:23Yeah.
00:24You look 57 years old.
00:25You look like you shaved.
00:26You shaved something off.
00:27Man, you look good.
00:29It's that half Italian in me.
00:31Look at you.
00:32I got that Italian side.
00:33Tell them what your buddy said at the golf hole, though.
00:36Oh, I hadn't seen a guy since like a year ago.
00:39This guy, Jerry.
00:40I had to do this for you.
00:41So I didn't know him real well.
00:42And my buddy, Matt, comes up to me and he goes, in front of Jerry, because that's the
00:45way you do it.
00:46He said, hey, Jerry, why don't you tell Stiney what you asked me?
00:49Oh, no.
00:50Jerry's like, what?
00:51He's like, yeah, Stiney, you asked if you put on a few pounds since last year.
00:55Oh, wow.
00:56Jerry.
00:58Things that get brought up on dude's trips get brought up on girl's trips.
01:05I would have just been hot.
01:06Right?
01:07You brought the...
01:08See, your ladies come around.
01:09Oh, you look like...
01:10Did you put a few on?
01:11Oh, my God.
01:12I mean, nothing will kill your...
01:13Only on a boy's trip.
01:14Nothing kills your self-esteem like a golf trip with the guys.
01:17Oh, let's do it.
01:18That'll do it.
01:19Oh, man.
01:20Yeah, but you played well and you guys got the win, so that's great.
01:22We did.
01:23We blew them out.
01:24We actually did.
01:25It was...
01:26Huh?
01:27We broke 100 on four rounds, which is pretty good there for me.
01:30Tough courses.
01:31Yeah.
01:32Yeah.
01:33We're happy for you.
01:35I played the 11 and a half, so appreciate it.
01:3711 and a half.
01:38Was that...
01:39I don't know.
01:40What is a blowout?
01:41Did you win a thousand strokes?
01:42Oh, God.
01:43Yeah, we won like 23 to 14 or something like that.
01:44Oh, okay.
01:45We had a point system.
01:46We used the Ryder Cup score system.
01:47Love it.
01:48Yeah.
01:49So before I ask you about your trip with your students and we get back to Stiney, because
01:51you went to the game Saturday, I'm a P1, two and a half hours of traffic Friday, listen
01:56to the whole Willard and Dibbs.
01:58I loved it.
01:59It's a four hour show, but anyway.
02:00It's daily.
02:01So, no, I got to have a real game with the house, but I'm trying to school this young
02:05man because I've been concerned about Kaminga, but tell me if I heard right, you guys were
02:09like, if he's not in there Saturday, Monday, we'll be concerned about why he wasn't there
02:15Saturday and now he wasn't there Saturday, I thought you guys...
02:19And now not tonight.
02:20I think you did maybe miss actually the end of the show because he got announced out before
02:24we were even off the air.
02:26And what I...
02:27For Saturday.
02:28Yes.
02:29For Saturday.
02:30Oh, no.
02:31Get it out of there.
02:32Not to you.
02:33Right?
02:34Yeah.
02:35Three.
02:36And I do think that...
02:37Talk to me.
02:38Well, this happens a little bit.
02:39Lucas likes to put stuff on Twitter and then it looks and reads a certain way.
02:41And so when I said, at one point I looked at Dibbs, I go, something's going on.
02:45Yeah.
02:46That's what I heard.
02:47So he puts that on Twitter and now everyone's like, ooh, Willard thinks there's a conspiracy
02:51and the Warriors are keeping him out on purpose.
02:54And I'm like, no, I didn't say that.
02:55Yeah.
02:56Not bad.
02:57I'm just like, something isn't right.
02:58He's 22.
02:59This is not like what I go to, and Anthony Slater will join us again on the show today,
03:03415, but I remember what he said before the road trip where when the Warriors go, we're
03:10not putting a timetable on it.
03:12But then Anthony Slater or Marcus Thompson, Imani Poole, they're like, somewhere probably
03:17halfway through the road trip, they didn't make that up on their own.
03:20The Warriors told them that.
03:22So behind the scenes, they're telling them that's our expectation.
03:26Then they go the whole road trip and he doesn't play.
03:28Then they come home and he doesn't play.
03:31And now they're home again tonight, he's not going to play.
03:33So when I say something's going on, I don't mean it from a conspiracy standpoint, I could
03:38even mean that physically.
03:39Yeah.
03:40No, that's where I'm at.
03:41That's how I took it.
03:42Something's not right.
03:43Something's not right.
03:44And then, yes, then we'll get to what Steve Kerr said after the game Saturday night, because
03:48even if he is healthy, I don't know how much he's going to play.
03:52But anyway, go ahead, Deb.
03:53So just like Mark and I were talking in the green room about right now, when you think
03:57about Kaminga, forget the person in the contract, in the upside, in the draft position, all
04:02the rest of it.
04:03What are they missing right now that he brings that they don't have?
04:08Because what he brings is get to the line, athleticism, Jimmy Butler.
04:14He gives you like make your own shot off the dribble individuality.
04:20OK, that might be the one thing.
04:22But you've got Guy and Moses get on the floor, get dirty, make the small plays.
04:28And you've got rebounding from pods and Kavon when necessary.
04:33I'm thinking about like what you're missing right now as a team.
04:36And the one thing that you're missing is maybe his ability to go up and elevate and smash
04:42on somebody, which is about twice a game.
04:45But he's a physical mismatch.
04:47And Guy and Moody don't give you that.
04:49And now with Butler in town, I just picture him cutting to the basket and Butler just
04:54giving it to him and him jumping off two feet like that.
04:57This is going to be the easiest.
04:58I'm thinking the easiest basketball he can play.
05:00Go picture this.
05:03They win every night.
05:05I'm not missing anything.
05:07And here's what I'm here to say.
05:08You can't change anything.
05:13Absolutely nothing.
05:14There is no room to mess with this.
05:17It's like 18 games left.
05:19You're firing up the board.
05:20That's what has me concerned.
05:21You are winning every night.
05:23You can't mess with this.
05:26When sports works, don't touch it.
05:30Don't touch it.
05:31And I think that's what Steve was saying the other night.
05:33And it doesn't mean that they're like he's going to be a healthy scratch.
05:36But dude, you can't, you cannot take these players out.
05:40You cannot take Guy Santos off the floor right now.
05:43You can't just bench Guy Santos.
05:46Like I'm sorry.
05:47You win every night.
05:48You don't mess with that.
05:51Well they are.
05:52Because that's how good Kaminga is.
05:54And I just feel like they can't cause no.
05:57See you're overreacting to their record 11-2.
06:00And if the ball bounces left or right the wrong way for the Warriors, they lose to Detroit.
06:04They beat the Nets by two.
06:06So if we want to do that game, we can do it in regard to.
06:08I don't look at it that way at all.
06:09They haven't been perfect.
06:11They need a physical specimen in Jonathan Kaminga to deal with teams night and night
06:16out in the playoffs.
06:17It's their best stretch of basketball in two and a half years.
06:19Which is fact.
06:20Right.
06:21But the bar wasn't set high because they were they were struggling.
06:23It's like you're you guys and I'm not saying you're wrong, but it seems like you're overreacting
06:27to what they've done and they've been stellar.
06:30But you got to foreshadow when you play better talent or the Santos and Moody's.
06:36Like are you rich enough to say, hey, J.K., we've been rolling.
06:39We don't need you.
06:40No.
06:41No.
06:42The good J.K.
06:43No one's saying that.
06:44I think that maybe the finals, if he is the good version of himself, I mean, again, that's
06:49what I guess winning every night.
06:51And that's a plus opponent coming off of a road trip.
06:54They were tired and trailing most of the night.
06:57That is a humongous victory on Saturday night.
07:00And so, you know, he said, yes, played a massive role in it.
07:04All right.
07:05Then before I get to study both, you know, they're going to let him play to reacclimate
07:09him in the game.
07:10Of course.
07:11Not as much.
07:12Not as much.
07:13I mean, I think this is totally speculation, but he's missed 30 games.
07:18My God.
07:19Counting.
07:20Counting.
07:21Tonight's 31.
07:22Maybe the ankle's fine, but it's just conditioning.
07:25Maybe.
07:26I mean, he's not playing in a long time.
07:27We talked about confidence, too.
07:28Like, I don't know if you remember your first ankle sprain and you weren't a high flyer
07:32in D3, but that first time you sprained your ankle, there's that feeling of, oh, my God,
07:37I'll never feel right again.
07:39And I know he's had knee injuries and other small issues.
07:43But this one's the major one.
07:44And so if you're a big jumper and a big leaper, I do think that part of it is confidence.
07:49It's fitness.
07:50Yes.
07:51And it's also like confidence.
07:52And I do think that they're going to slowly reintegrate him back into the lineup, which
07:57you have to do.
07:58But I look at what they've done without Kaminga.
08:01And before they got Jimmy Butler, they were 7 and 10.
08:04And since they got Jimmy, they're 11 and 2.
08:06All without Kaminga.
08:07So has Jimmy Butler changed everything to where you don't need Kaminga?
08:11Of course not.
08:12But you don't need him as much as you did a month ago.
08:16That's for sure.
08:17Especially in the role he had when he left.
08:21Like the way I look at it is, yeah.
08:24And he's coming on to a totally different team now, really, with different expectations.
08:29Like that's the other thing.
08:31You know what?
08:32People are going to take it the way they take it.
08:34But there's going to be less patience right now than there would have been if they're
08:38still laboring around 500.
08:41I mean, they're talking title now.
08:44They're talking deep run.
08:46So the bar's been elevated.
08:50Everybody's got to raise their game.
08:52Everybody has.
08:53And now Kaminga's going to have to do the same thing.
08:55But go ahead.
08:56No, I was going to ask you this, Gu.
08:59If we're overreacting to the last 13 games, could I argue that you're overreacting to
09:05the skill set that Jonathan Kaminga brings to the table?
09:09I get that the stars in our eyes come out when there's a high flyer like that.
09:14But I only need to go back less than 48 hours to give you a signature defensive moment for
09:19both of the players you just brought up.
09:22When's the last time you could do that for Kaminga?
09:24Signature defensive moment.
09:26But I would say to you, Mark, that's unfair.
09:28But that did happen because he hadn't been on the floor.
09:30No, but the point is, even when he was on the floor.
09:35Don't diminish what Moody and Santos are doing on the floor just because they're not sexy
09:41high flyers.
09:42No doubt.
09:43They're doing really important stuff.
09:44And what hurts, Mark, is I think you think I'm attaching my wagon to Kaminga because
09:48he's a high flyer.
09:49No, not at all.
09:50He's a physical specimen.
09:52He's a mismatch.
09:53They don't have much of that on this team.
09:55And in the playoffs, the game slows down.
09:58The refs swallow the whistle.
10:00And you're going to need strength.
10:02And I love what Moses Moody is doing in Santos.
10:06But to sit here and rob Jonathan Kaminga of being the best version of himself when everybody
10:11else has stopped and got the Jimmy Butler experience.
10:14What Kaminga are we going to see when he gets on the floor being proactive with Jimmy Butler?
10:19I hear you.
10:20He's greater than Moody and Santos.
10:22And why can't all three of them place?
10:25No doubt.
10:26Come on now.
10:27In what?
10:28In what aspect?
10:29Of course, you're right if you're talking about an overall player.
10:32But what if we segmented out, as Dibs is pointing out, to what the Warriors actually need?
10:38And there's a reason that Steve Kerr, every time he brings him up, he's like, man, I hope
10:42when he comes back, he's ready to make good decisions.
10:46Because Moses Moody and Guy Santos make really good decisions.
10:50And they make really important plays on the defense.
10:52And guess what happens when they get fouled?
10:55They make their free throws.
10:57Johnathan can get to the line too.
10:59I got you.
11:00And shoot 60 percent.
11:02So am I the only one of us four that believe, let's just say Kaminga wasn't coming back,
11:07and I'm leading, I'm a super fan.
11:09I don't think they could get to the Western Conference Finals as is.
11:13And that's not a slight at anybody.
11:15But they can get to the finals with Kaminga.
11:18Do you guys think as is, no, Kaminga?
11:20You're ready to say they could get to the, like anything's possible?
11:24See that's where I don't know where you are.
11:25I'm not ready to say that either way.
11:27I'm just, I'm here tonight.
11:29Don't mess with this.
11:30You're really good right now.
11:32You're really good.
11:33And you gotta take care of that in sports when it happens.
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11:43Yeah, sorry, Stein.
11:44Yeah, I'm kind of in the same mode as you.
11:46But part of it is predicated on Kaminga being able to come in and fit in.
11:51Because as I was saying before, like what are you missing right now that he does that
11:56nobody else does?
11:57And for me, it's really the elevation and getting to the rim and being a legitimate
12:03dunker in the dunker spot, because GP2 can do that, but not like Kaminga when healthy.
12:09You're not missing Kaminga's three-point shooting.
12:11You're not missing him getting to the foul line, because Jimmy Butler does that.
12:14And you're no longer last in the league in free throw percentage.
12:18And Kaminga was a part of that, because he's shooting 64 percent mark from the line.
12:22Not quite 60, slightly better at 64.
12:25But he was your number one free throw getter before Jimmy.
12:29So what else are you missing?
12:30You're not missing Kaminga's defense, really.
12:33It's improved, but he's not a lockdown defender.
12:36And so having Guy and Moses, they're giving you things that Jonathan doesn't.
12:41Like the dirty work, the intangibles, the defense.
12:46And I think that, you know, especially Guy has really become a bright spot here over
12:51the last month.
12:52You're playing his ass off.
12:53I'm not saying that.
12:54No, no, you are.
12:55I haven't seen Kaminga with Quinton Post, really, because Quinton Post has only played
12:5820 games as a real, like, rotational piece.
13:02And so Kaminga does come on, as Stiney was saying.
13:05He comes on to a new team, where Quinton is a stretch five, and Guy's getting more minutes,
13:11and Moses starts.
13:12So it's up to him to fit in to what is currently going on.
13:16I also just think, see, in moments like this, boy, we lean too far into the individuals,
13:22right?
13:23Because I love the 11-2.
13:24He's like, dude, but I know it's great right now.
13:25No, but this is about a team.
13:26This isn't about Jonathan Kaminga.
13:27And that's why I think he can help elevate that.
13:28It's not about, like, I can already see the YouTube chat doing, who's better, Jonathan
13:29or Moses?
13:30I don't do that.
13:31It doesn't matter.
13:32It doesn't matter.
13:33When are the warriors at their best?
13:34I'll raise my hand.
13:35It's right now.
13:36It's right now.
13:37And it's without him.
13:38So it doesn't mean that they can't be better with him.
13:39It doesn't mean they're going to hold him out.
13:40But I think they better be really, really good with him.
13:41It doesn't mean that they can't be better with him.
13:42It doesn't mean that they can be better with him.
13:44So it doesn't mean that they can't be better with him.
13:45It doesn't mean that they can't be better with him.
13:47It doesn't mean they're going to hold him out.
13:49But I think they better be really, really careful with him.
13:50Because what's the priority?
13:51Is the priority getting Jonathan back and getting his?
13:52Or is the priority to play great basketball?
13:53Because right now, they're playing the best basketball I've seen them play in two years.
13:54And real quick, starting to Dibbs' point, just because Butler gets to the free throw
13:55line and he does, you know, there's only thing better than that is having him in the
13:56transfer box.
13:57And he's got no idea what's going on.
13:58And he's got no idea who's going to be the attention wheel.
13:59priority to play great basketball, because right now they're playing the best basketball
14:03I've seen them play in two years.
14:04And real quick, starting to Dibbs' point, just because Butler gets to the free-throw
14:07line and he does, the only thing better than that is have another guy that can do that.
14:14Now you've got to make him, but he gives you that.
14:16I mean, the way I kind of look at it is when Kaminga, before he got hurt, and I get it,
14:24Butler is a different kind of player than Kaminga.
14:28But Kaminga was kind of, they wanted him to be a little like Butler, at least scoring
14:32the ball and all that kind of stuff.
14:35And Kaminga does get to, but they brought in a guy to me that, I think Butler's the
14:41guy that's going to impact Kaminga's playing time.
14:45Because some of the things that, of all the, Butler brings you a lot of the same things
14:52Kaminga brings you, and a whole lot more.
14:56And so that's the only thing I'm worried about with Kaminga, is if you're not giving him
15:03that role of, can you get us 20 a night, and you don't need him to, well then you need
15:09other things and you may not go to him right away.
15:12That's all.
15:13But I also think, unfortunately, and this happens, it's up to Kaminga right now.
15:20It's just, he's got to prove that he can really help this team get to the next level,
15:27whatever it is.
15:28Well, and do you play Kaminga at the three?
15:30Because right now, that's Jimmy Butler for the most part.
15:33Do you play him at four?
15:35And we're going to play the sound from Mark's student who asked Steve Kerr that very question
15:39about Guy Santos.
15:40And you know, Moses played 36 minutes on Saturday against Portland, 36 minutes.
15:46That used to be a whole week for Moses.
15:49Now he's playing 36, and Guy's playing 25, and you can't take Guy off the floor.
15:55So if you're Kaminga, where do you fit in?
15:58Because Jimmy plays the non-staff minutes, and so Jimmy's going to play the point essentially
16:03in those minutes.
16:04He's going to be the primary scorer.
16:06So where does Kaminga fit in?
16:09I think it's a good question.
16:10I think it's a real good question.
16:12The other thing I was thinking about was, as it relates to Moody, and this is one of
16:20the things that I think Butler's really helped on.
16:22When Jimmy Butler wasn't on the team and Moody was on the floor, like, you're kind of asking
16:27him to do too much.
16:28And some of his work showed.
16:30And now you got Jimmy Butler, and just, it slots Moody and Pajemski in a way that they
16:37haven't been slotted.
16:38They're still important, but they're not as important as they were before Jimmy Butler.
16:44And so...
16:45Same thing with Kaminga.
16:47But they can do more things than Kaminga.
16:52People are going to hate this, but I look at Kaminga and I'm like, if he gets to the
16:55playoffs, can he win you a game or two?
16:57Because he came in off the bench and changed things.
17:01But I don't look at it as though you're going to see a noticeable uptick from this team
17:06game in and game out when Kaminga comes back.
17:10He might fine-tune him a little bit better, which is great!
17:13Like, that fine-tuning may be the difference between winning a round or not winning a round.
17:17I mean, I'm saying what I'm saying without, like, this is not closed off to Jonathan.
17:22This is what Stiney's saying.
17:23If he comes back and he forces his way back into the lineup, then wonderful!
17:28And that's all I'm saying, is the opportunity will be there.
17:31Yes, yes!
17:33But also, it's going to have to be forced.
17:36Like you don't, he doesn't get it just because his name is Jonathan Kaminga and because he
17:41has averaged close to 20 a game before.
17:44So what?
17:45And you got to show us you're healthy.
17:46Yeah, like, I mean, I don't know how many times in just recent memory of Bay Area sports
17:53can we think of times where things get so ruthless.
17:57I mean, it's happening with the 49ers literally right now.
18:01Like this is ruthless.
18:03There's no time for, oh, well, we like you and your stats and your, no, no.
18:09Like they're winning every night right now.
18:11The energy is out of this world.
18:15Wait until I, like what I got to witness the other night, a half hour after the game was
18:21over with what Draymond and Steph were doing in the hallway, like they are just energized
18:27at a level that I have not seen in a really, really long time.
18:31Good Lord.
18:32Don't mess with that.
18:34All because what?
18:36Because Jonathan is supposed to be this or supposed to be that.
18:39So if he forces his way back in and if he shows that he's going to bring you to another
18:43level, wonderful.
18:44Yeah.
18:45Wonderful.
18:46Then, then, then here you go.
18:47But you don't get that just because.
18:48But you owe it to the organization and your team because he's a part of your team to see
18:53where he's at.
18:54Because he's a talent.
18:55To see where he's at.
18:56Yeah.
18:57And if he takes the bull by the horns.
18:58Wonderful.
18:59You got it.
19:01You want to know what I'm worried about?
19:04I'm worried that, and this isn't me, I'm worried that Kaminga comes back and after two or three
19:11weeks Jimmy Butler is looking at Steph and Draymond saying, what are we doing with this
19:15guy?
19:16Who's this guy?
19:17We're trying to win a championship here.
19:21That's what I'm worried about.
19:22Well if I be a Warrior fan.
19:24That's why it's up to Jonathan.
19:25No, it is.
19:27But again, I'm no doctor.
19:28The science part of this, it had to be sprain.
19:32You said that's a sprain anyway, right?
19:34That's a natural sprain.
19:35It ain't no.
19:36But you got to play yourself back into shape.
19:38And now we're in the teens in regard to games and he's missed 30 and counting.
19:43And if he's not back Thursday, then I'm getting concerned from him like, dude, you might want
19:48to just sit.
19:49You know what I mean?
19:50Like the bus is moving.
19:51And now we're talking about the Red Cross with health.
19:53When I said that, actually on Friday, I said, Saturday, okay, fine.
19:57If he misses Monday too, because he was supposed to be back last road trip, Stiney, in between
20:03your road trip, halfway through and he missed the whole thing.
20:06And I told Mark last week, I said, Saturday, fine, you know, you fly back and you get no
20:11chance to practice, whatever.
20:12But if he misses Monday, if he misses Monday and is he already out for?
20:17He's already out tonight.
20:18He is hot.
20:19Yeah.
20:20Out tonight.
20:21Saturday.
20:22Yeah.
20:23Yeah.
20:24I'm officially now concerned.
20:25See, and that's all.
20:26You know, you're one of your favorite sayings.
20:27What is it?
20:28The math still works.
20:30Not for this.
20:31See, and that's where I'm at.
20:32That's where I'm back to.
20:33No, it works for the Warriors.
20:34No, yeah.
20:35Right.
20:36Every game he misses, his price goes down, down, down.
20:37Right.
20:38But it doesn't, it doesn't work for his ankle.
20:39Man.
20:40And, and Doc Pandia actually was listening to the conversation we had.
20:43Yeah.
20:44What did he say?
20:45Saw him tweet about it.
20:46Yeah.
20:47And he said, this is a real interesting conversation because X, Y, Z of, if it's a grade two, grade
20:50three, I don't have it in front of me.
20:52But bottom line is what he was saying was, yeah, we're getting to a point where it doesn't
20:56make sense anymore.
20:58If you're going to tell us there was no setback, you're going to say there was no setback.
21:03Well, why are you still hurt?
21:05Doc, I'm in strong.
21:07Because I asked Steve Kerr last week, I said, is it a setback or is it just a slower timeline?
21:13He said, there's been no setback.
21:14And he said that definitively because he went through the whole ramp up, Steini, where,
21:19okay, return to activity two on two, three on three, five on five shell drill, half court,
21:25full court, scrimmage.
21:26Now you play.
21:27Uh, no.
21:28And that's been like eight days now since the eight days mark, or maybe more since he
21:33actually scrimmaged.
21:35So when you get the ramp up, either you start playing or there's a setback.
21:40There's usually not this like lull period.
21:43I feel like, like I always will worry less than guru.
21:47I feel like it might just be his conditioning because he hasn't played for 10 weeks.
21:51But wouldn't you then give him like a 12 minute, like, how you doing?
21:55Or even throw him down in Santa Cruz with a TJD, you know, get him, get him a run.
22:01I don't know.
22:02For me, like the conditioning part, you're right.
22:04It'd be at least for Saturday or Monday, like game time decision.
22:10And then, you know, you run them up and down and he does the layup line and maybe he's
22:14not ready.
22:15I don't know.
22:16For me, conditioning is something where you can play him 12 minutes.
22:20Yeah.
22:21Yeah.
22:22Yeah.
22:23You can play eight.
22:24Yeah.
22:25But this is like a complete like stalemate.
22:26Again, as you just pointed out, but no, announced out two days ago, which to me says, well,
22:33you're not even close.
22:34Right.
22:35You can already decide 48 hours before a game.
22:37So here's what Doc said.
22:38You want to hear exactly what he said?
22:40Yeah.
22:41All right.
22:42He says, OK, good conversation on Kaminga.
22:44All media reports indicate that he suffered a severe ankle sprain.
22:47Severe ankle sprains can take eight weeks to get better.
22:50That being said, as you start to get beyond that time frame, there are generally four
22:54things that could be causing a delayed return.
22:57Number one, there is residual instability that is arising as a player progresses to
23:02a higher level of activity.
23:04Number two, there's pain or discomfort that is preventing the athlete from playing their
23:09particular style of game, explosion, agility, et cetera, which impacts their confidence.
23:16Number three, there's pain and swelling occurring after playing that limits participation in
23:21a prolonged fashion.
23:23Or number four, an athlete's doing fine from an ankle standpoint, but still needs conditioning
23:27or ramp up.
23:29Conditioning or ramp up to me doesn't make a lot of sense because he's been scrimmaging
23:32for almost two weeks.
23:34Two weeks.
23:35And there were reports he was icing the ankle after he scrimmaged.
23:38Right.
23:39And the other three all use the word pain, swelling, or instability.
23:43So that's what I mean when I feel like, ah, something's not right.
23:48Something's up.
23:49That's what it looks like to me.
23:50Well, and you guys have Anthony Slater on today?
23:53415.
23:54415.
23:55He'll have a lot more info on this.
23:57Guys, it's great to see you.
23:59You look good.
24:00Thank you very much.
24:01You look great.
24:02I appreciate it.
24:03Do me a favor.
24:04What?
24:05Tell Jerry.
24:06He's the guy who said I put on some weight.
24:07I did.
24:08On 95.7.
24:09You look great.
24:10Dig it.
24:11Yeah.