The Jeremy Kyle Show 21st September 2012
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00:00Even who hasn't bothered with your two children since you split three years ago is on my show some weeks ago
00:06Talking about what a wonderful daddy is to his new fiance's child and how that child's father is a deadbeat dad
00:13Yeah, why don't you get a lawyer? Why don't you try and find them?
00:16Why don't you go down the legal route because people like you pass judgment and then run off you could have got faster
00:22You know for them last time
00:30Y'all two are coming out here paying him as a bad dad when he eyes not a bad dad
00:35No, give him the chance not today. We never get near them kids
00:46The truth of this story is you've got us and do drinks excessively
00:50You've got a son who smokes a huge amount of cannabis on a daily basis and the two of them are
00:55Are literally and this is not just all they're having a feud they scream they shout is there violence between them all the time
01:10That's all on my show it's next
01:25Hello, good morning and a big big welcome to the show now whilst I'm out here in New York filming my American series
01:36I want us to take a look back over the best of this series so far before brand new shows continue next week
01:41Now I'm sure you will remember my first guest Michelle
01:43She contacted us after she spotted her ex Steve on the show
01:47Professing to be father of the year to his new girlfriend son now Michelle was shocked to Steve had not seen the two kids
01:52He had with her for three years now. She was determined to expose him for the bad daddy really was so she called us up
01:59And we brought Steve back on the Jeremy car show. Let's take a look back and see what happened
02:04Just want to paint a picture for everybody
02:06You're sat at home. Yeah, and your partner Lee
02:10Rings you tell them exactly what you said that I'm saving was on down the cow pregnant himself to be a good dad
02:15Even though he's got two children with me and he hasn't even bothered you don't fight for them
02:20You don't pay CSA. You don't see them. It's nothing. So let's just get this right your ex Steven
02:25Who hasn't bothered with your two children since you split three years ago is on my show some weeks ago?
02:32Talking about what a wonderful daddy is to his new fiance's child and how that child's father is a deadbeat dad
02:39Yeah
02:39He's had me over as well then to be fair big time and let's just reiterate you have two kids
02:44Ten and five and you told my team Stephen has paid me nothing nothing
02:50Nothing he should be paying by CSA, but he keeps quitting his job
02:53He's fine to pay a five pound fifty pound a month not a problem anything over that he don't want to know
02:57How are you feeling right now? Why did you ring? What do you want to achieve?
03:00I just want to know how he can go on to national TV make out he's perfect when he can't even see his own kids
03:04So today is about exposing him for what he really is definitely you like to make a fool of people do you know?
03:09Then why'd you lie last time you were in the reason why the reason why I haven't been to see him is because of her family
03:16What's that mean? Frightening me on Facebook
03:18Didn't mention it last time though. Oh great my favorite thing you didn't mention that last time
03:21He had two kids you haven't seen for three years there you were playing the big I am
03:25I'm supposed to go down right?
03:26You were playing the big I am
03:27Have my kids seen me getting beat up in front of them?
03:29I don't think so
03:31Hang on. What happened there? What happened there?
03:33Because
03:33Because you're a close family
03:36Decide I'm going to frame you. I'm going to frame you. I'm going to frame you. You put me on Facebook you silly
03:41You're going to frame me. How am I? I've never framed you. I've never spoken to you. I can't explain because you're so perfect
03:47I didn't even send me kids for Christmas presents and that. Where are they? Come on
03:51The kids got them. What? You sent them what?
03:53So why didn't I say? Why wanted to thank you then?
03:56When was the last time you spoke to your eldest child super dad?
04:03Err... about a year
04:07June 2009
04:08Why don't you ring him?
04:09Because they blocked me from it
04:11Oh for goodness sake
04:12I haven't even got her number so am I supposed to ring her?
04:14So how can you have her going down?
04:15She's probably on Facebook so I can't exactly talk to her
04:17Oh that's a shame. Why don't you get a lawyer? Why don't you try and find them?
04:20Why don't you go down the legal route because people like you pass judgment and then run off
04:24You could have gone past her. I'm still here now. I'm here. I wouldn't be here if I didn't want to see her
04:29Then why didn't you do more before she rang this show?
04:32Yeah, I might not have done more
04:33Why don't you come to the show yourself and say are you ready for this?
04:35Come on then
04:36I've been here. I've seen what you've done. Why don't you help me get contact with my kids?
04:40And that's for...
04:41Got to answer the question
04:42I would leave...
04:43Why didn't you ask us to help you put it right?
04:46Because everyone helped her with her at the time
04:48What sort of father doesn't see a ten-year-old for two and a half years?
04:52What sort of family threatens to break your legs?
04:55Or even not be able to get out of Salisbury alive if you go see her kids?
04:59You're not going to see her kids?
05:00I would love to see my kids, yes
05:01What kind of father just walks out on their children, don't even bother even being a...
05:05Oh, well, well...
05:06I was still having...
05:08I was going to go home with you
05:10When I lived across the road
05:12I was living across the road at my mate's house
05:14I was still having my son
05:15And what happened?
05:16You come knocking on the door
05:18Can I make a point?
05:23Can I make a point?
05:24If apparently...
05:25I've got the police to get you away because you're...
05:27If apparently...
05:28You're fine, it's called the Jeremy Kyle show
05:30She's a drunk, right?
05:31And her family allegedly are making these threats
05:34You would presume then, as a father, you would think that maybe your kids aren't in the right environment
05:38Why didn't you do something more to get those kids out of that environment
05:42And get them with you, super dad of the year?
05:44Because it's not the truth
05:45I'm not saying I'm a super dad of the year
05:46Have I ever said I'm a super dad of the year?
05:47Yes I do
05:48Then why haven't you done more?
05:50Why?
05:51Because I want...
05:52Because I haven't
05:53And I admit that I haven't, aren't I?
05:54Why not?
05:55Because I haven't
05:56Do you not think you should have done?
05:57Yes, I should have done
05:58How could you pass judgement on somebody else?
05:59I tried speaking to them on Facebook and everything
06:01Stop going on about flimming Facebook
06:03She even changed her number so I couldn't get in touch with her
06:06Is that the only way that people get in contact with anybody anymore?
06:09Poke them on Facebook
06:10Yes
06:11What about your kids?
06:12It's not even funny
06:14Okay, now after this break we'll find out exactly what happened when Michelle's husband Lee and Steve's fiancee Anne had their say
06:21Do you not go anywhere my friends because I'm right back
06:23So I don't pay nothing then?
06:25No you don't pay
06:26I've never paid nothing
06:27So why is the money coming out of my wages then?
06:29Ain't going nowhere mate
06:30I'm not like
06:31I'm not like
06:32My wife
06:33Shut up
06:35Shut up
06:36Shut up
06:37He just sits there drinking while my mum's doing all the housework
06:41Only because he goes to town and does a few bits in town
06:44When you took them vows with my mum
06:46You were there to look after my mum
06:48Not yourself
06:49My mum
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07:35Thank you very much indeed
07:36Welcome back and a big thanks for joining me
07:38As I look back on some of my most memorable shows of this series
07:41Now before the break
07:42Michelle and X Steve were at loggerheads about Steve's lack of contact with their kids
07:46Let's just remind ourselves of what happened
07:48When Michelle's husband Lee and Steve's fiance Anne joined them on stage
07:52Take a look at this my friends
07:53Your new partner is called what?
07:55Lee
07:56Actually the truth is when he watched that program
07:58He is a real you
07:59He's done what you haven't done
08:01Yeah
08:02So I don't pay nothing then?
08:06Yeah
08:07I've never paid nothing
08:08I've never paid nothing
08:09So why is the money coming out of my wages then?
08:11I ain't going nowhere mate
08:12I'm not like you
08:13I'm not like you
08:14My wage lives to show you
08:15I'm not like you
08:16You broke my wife
08:17Shut up
08:18No you shut up
08:19No what?
08:20You come in
08:21Yes I have
08:22You didn't know his date of birth
08:23You didn't know his date of birth
08:24You didn't know his date of birth
08:25Yeah I did
08:26You didn't know how old he was
08:27It's the 29th of September 2006
08:30But you didn't know
08:31It's the 27th of July
08:33Well 25th of July 2001
08:35Oh is that?
08:36Whatever
08:37Yes it is
08:38It is the 25th of July
08:39You just said 27th
08:41It's the 25th of July 2001 actually
08:43Let's give the boy a clap
08:45Yeah it's on your wick innit
08:46To work out
08:47All the birthdays
08:48Why would I say something
08:49One at a time Lee
08:51So you're watching the show
08:52You see him pretending to be this amazing man
08:55And he's passing judgement on this other kid
08:57It's really riled you up
08:58You got hold of your lady and said
09:00I'm not having this
09:01What's the truth about this situation
09:02From your point of view
09:03You've been there for how long?
09:04Three years
09:05Okay go on
09:06First thing that made me laugh
09:07The first thing you said when you come out
09:08Is the guy should step up and be a date
09:10Take my hats off
09:11She's definitely one
09:12But I thought hang on a minute
09:13He's sitting there
09:15Sitting up to be a date
09:16He only had no contact
09:17Last time he had contact with Michelle
09:20Was in June in 2009
09:22Can you possibly
09:23I said to you
09:25I said to you
09:26I'm talking
09:27Shut up
09:28Why did he have the Christmas card
09:29They run here
09:30Shut up
09:31Shut your mouth
09:32Come on
09:33And that was December
09:34I tell you
09:35Shut up
09:36That was the last time I contacted her
09:37No you didn't
09:38Come on
09:39Because I phoned her and said
09:40She turned up to me and said
09:41Tell me when it's going to be delivered
09:42So I phoned her and told her when it was going to be delivered
09:44Thank you very much
09:45I told you
09:46So one Christmas card
09:48Hold on a second
09:49One Christmas card in two and a half years
09:50Are you saying that's enough?
09:51No it isn't
09:52Then why haven't you done more?
09:53Because I haven't
09:54What about your kids?
09:56So you are admitting on national television you are a poor example for
10:01I haven't finished
10:02Forget Facebook
10:03No
10:04You could have done a lot more before Facebook
10:06Don't hurt me then
10:07What?
10:08Don't hurt me when I see that then
10:09What about your kids?
10:11They mean a lot to me I've liked you to know
10:13Admit on national television the truth is you're the bad dad aren't you?
10:16Right yeah
10:17So it's alright if I go down to her house and get kicked in?
10:19Would you do that as well?
10:20No
10:21You've found another way to get past it legally
10:24Are you two aware of any threats that have been made to him?
10:27I threatened him because he threatened me
10:29I didn't even threaten you
10:30He threatened back to me
10:31Do you believe he could have done more to see his kids?
10:33Yeah he could
10:34I think it's really interesting that none of this came out last time
10:36Were you pretending to be dad of the year?
10:38Ann was here
10:39And your fiance said you're a great dad to her
10:41Does she know you've got two kids you haven't ever seen?
10:43Yes she does
10:44Right let's get Ann back on the Jeremy Kyle show
10:45She's back
10:47What's this called?
10:51I'm a bit gobsmacked to be honest
10:55There he is having a go at that other bloke
10:57What about this?
10:58Yeah
10:59What about it?
11:00Hasn't seen him as a bit rich isn't it?
11:02Yeah
11:03They're stopping him as well
11:04But he hasn't done anything about it
11:06Y'all two are coming out here
11:08Paying him as a bad dad
11:10When he...oh he's not a bad dad
11:12No
11:13Give him the chance not to be
11:15He ain't seen them love
11:16He'll never get near them kids
11:17He never
11:18Never
11:19I'll tell you what
11:21Wait
11:23Put your arm down
11:25Put it through it
11:27Alright
11:28Put your arm down
11:29What do you think you are?
11:30I'm her husband
11:31Everybody's here
11:32I'm her husband
11:33Do you know me?
11:34Very good
11:35Was you there when I was there?
11:36Was you there when I was around?
11:38Was you there when I was around?
11:40Was you there when I was around?
11:42Was you there?
11:43No
11:44No
11:45You wasn't there
11:46And
11:47And I don't want to know you and I'm scum!
11:49And so are you!
11:50Anne, you've come out and you've had a go at them.
11:52Now answer me this calmly, right?
11:53You said, yeah, we will, we'll see those kids.
11:55And she's made the usual comment, no you weren't.
11:57The big question is not that he wants to.
11:59The big question is, why from June 2009 to now,
12:04and they rang the show, has he not done anything more legally to see those kids?
12:09Answer that.
12:10The thing is, we don't get a lot of money to start off with.
12:13Why are you shouting at me?
12:15You're not.
12:16Do you not think this?
12:17You're not all for them!
12:18Do you remember the last show, Jeremy?
12:20Top man!
12:21Top man!
12:22Top man!
12:23Do you want to know something?
12:24Do you want to know something?
12:25Yeah, remember!
12:26Hello!
12:27Ask her why she was texting my closest family.
12:30Listen, last time we got her blood.
12:32Here she was!
12:33So you're not listening are you?
12:34Yeah, I am.
12:35I am simply saying, last time, when he came out and did what he did,
12:38yeah I supported him.
12:39But you would understand when I read this today,
12:42that I would think that's a bit rich.
12:44We've all had the wall pulled a bit.
12:45Because, here's the thing, when he was on the show last time,
12:47when he was looking at that guy and he's saying everything he's saying,
12:49quite rightly by the way,
12:50why would he not have turned to one of the researchers or me or anybody and gone,
12:53do you know I've got a situation, hear me out,
12:55I've got a situation where this really horrible ex-partner of mine,
12:58they've made threats, they want to let me see the kids,
13:00I don't know what to do, help me see them.
13:02He didn't even mention it.
13:04They saw him pretending to be this man, maybe he is with your kid,
13:07but he's not with his own.
13:09And I ask you calmly, if he really, really had wanted to see them in the last two and a half years,
13:13are you telling me one threat would have put him to the...
13:16He hasn't done anything, Anne.
13:17You know he hasn't.
13:18So you'll tell me that one threat is not going to stop you from going to see you.
13:22You're the family man, Jeremy.
13:24I would not...
13:25Oh, come on.
13:26I would not stop.
13:27I would go through a legal situation.
13:28You would not stop if...
13:29You would not stop if...
13:30Nobody would stop me seeing my kids.
13:32Alright, yeah, whatever.
13:33No phone numbers.
13:34Right then, so what?
13:35So if I had to go through Susan's eyes, right?
13:37She's changed.
13:38What was she doing?
13:39She forgot Susan's eyes.
13:40Should have probably ripped it up.
13:41Should have been.
13:42Yeah, say what?
13:43They want to change his kids, aren't they?
13:45I don't.
13:46It's fair enough, he's going to laugh for them to change that.
13:48They want to change that.
13:49Any idea?
13:50Look at me.
13:51Nothing to do with this.
13:53He's...
13:54Any idea?
13:55Alright.
13:56Do me a favour.
13:57Oi!
13:58I don't think so.
14:00I don't think so.
14:01I don't think so.
14:02Is that right?
14:03You're...
14:04I'm not sure.
14:05She's following.
14:06She's watching me.
14:07Do me a favour, Seth.
14:08Leave your hand.
14:09You come with me, you come with me right now.
14:10Because I want you to understand what this ten-year-old's going through.
14:12Now, Graham has spent time with your ten-year-old.
14:15I think you spoke on the phone.
14:16We did.
14:17And this ten-year-old has written a letter.
14:19Graham, sit in the middle.
14:20You stop shouting and you listen to this...
14:22Right.
14:23...what this ten-year-old has said to this man, not me.
14:25Have a listen.
14:26Have a listen.
14:28I did speak to her on the phone.
14:31And she asked me to read this out.
14:33It says,
14:34I feel like Lee is more of a dad than Stephen is.
14:38It's so bad that I don't even want Stephen in my life.
14:43But the thing is, I want Lee in my life more than him.
14:49He hasn't even seen me in three whole years.
14:54I don't want to see Stephen.
14:57Sometimes it's so bad that I forget all about him.
15:02He's not even my father more than what Lee is.
15:08I call Lee my daddy all the time.
15:13And if he was here, I would just call him his real name, Stephen.
15:19For our birthday, he gave us £20.
15:23And for Christmas, he gave us £50 each.
15:26And a selection pack.
15:28That was in 2009.
15:30And we've not heard from him since then.
15:34He invited us to live with him.
15:37Then he changed his mind.
15:39And he said no.
15:41He didn't want us to.
15:43Can I say something to you?
15:45It doesn't matter what you two think of each other.
15:48How does that feel?
15:51Eh?
15:52Yes.
15:53Could you not have done more, seriously?
15:55I've already said I could have done more.
15:56Stephen, the reason I had a go at you is not because I doubt for one second,
15:59by the way, that you have done what you said you've done to Anne's child.
16:02I also do not doubt for a second that what you said is anything but true.
16:06But those are your children.
16:08And that ten-year-old...
16:11doesn't know you.
16:12Doesn't call you daddy.
16:14That's got to rip your heart out.
16:15And are you telling me that you wouldn't do everything in the world to change that?
16:20What do you need?
16:21All I'm asking is for a chance to prove that I want to...
16:25Because I want to see them.
16:26Stephen, when I spoke to you...
16:27I want to see my kids.
16:28Hang on a minute, please.
16:29Hang on a minute, please.
16:30When I spoke to you in June 2009,
16:32I said to...
16:33I even spoke to Anne,
16:34and I said to you both,
16:35I wouldn't let her see the children,
16:36but you have to get to know them again.
16:38You agreed to that?
16:39Yeah, yeah.
16:40What happened?
16:41Can I say something to you?
16:44Excuse me.
16:45Can I say something to you, right?
16:46You haven't done enough, have you?
16:48No, and I admit to that.
16:49The threats were wrong, weren't they?
16:51Yeah, and I did have a go about that as well.
16:52Right, listen to me.
16:54This guy is saying people can change.
16:57He wants the chance.
16:58Now, here's the deal.
16:59It might be that your kids don't want to know.
17:02But your stubborn refusal to give them a number,
17:04and I get it to a degree,
17:06I want you to hand that responsibility
17:08to Graham and his team.
17:09I want you, in a calm way, at some point,
17:12and this guy with Graham,
17:14to sit and get past this rancour
17:17and partners and arguments and all that,
17:19and think about a ten-year-old and a five-year-old.
17:21Of course, right now, that's how she feels.
17:24He's right in part, might she still feel that?
17:27I don't know.
17:28But we have a duty here to at least try.
17:30On a really serious level here,
17:32your children should not be involved
17:35in what is an adult argument here.
17:37I understand that.
17:38And what I see from this
17:41is that this child is involved in an adult dispute.
17:45And I'll tell you why he's right, shall I?
17:47And I don't want you to get upset,
17:48or your partner has done a good job.
17:50That letter, some of what that letter said,
17:54that can only have come from yours and Lee's mouth.
17:57No, it's come from her.
17:59It's come from her listening to what's been said.
18:02She's got her own opinion.
18:03I want her to look him in the face at some point
18:06and say, I'm sorry, we've tried, or I'm not interested.
18:10I think that opportunity, Michelle,
18:12has to come from the child.
18:14That's all I'm saying.
18:15And I want to bring this to a point
18:17where everybody understands
18:18that all that shouting has to stop,
18:20and that we make an agreement.
18:21That's what I'm saying, right?
18:23I don't know whether he'll do it or not.
18:25I said my piece to him, right?
18:27It's all well and good to come out
18:28and say your piece to somebody else.
18:29Go look in the mirror.
18:30That's what I also believe, right?
18:31But these kids are important.
18:33Let's get you all out there and back on stage.
18:36Can we try and draw a line today?
18:39See if we can find some middle ground.
18:41We can stop all this argument and rancour
18:43because all four of you care about these kids
18:46and see if we can find some sort of agreement.
18:48Yes?
18:49What's the third amount of them for?
18:51Not to you.
18:53I'm sorry, but it's not about her.
18:55She don't know my children.
18:56It's not about him either.
18:57It's not about him either.
18:58It's not about him either, then, is it, love?
18:59Yeah, it does.
19:00Get you back, right?
19:01See?
19:02Why did I bother coming back on this stage?
19:03Why did I bother...
19:05Do you know what?
19:06You go and you go
19:07because it doesn't matter about you lot.
19:08Can you go, Lee, with the greatest respect
19:09and can you go?
19:10Because it's about these two people.
19:12I wanted them to be able to put aside that rubbish.
19:15You love your kids.
19:16He's let them down.
19:17They have an opinion.
19:18But they need to make their own mind up
19:20with facts in front of them, don't they, G?
19:22Right?
19:23It's not even about the title of dad, is it?
19:26It's about being the best parent that you could possibly be.
19:29That's exactly what it's about.
19:31And nobody's doubting that you both love these children.
19:34Nobody's doubting that whatsoever.
19:36But you haven't done right by them.
19:37I'm sorry.
19:38You are in the wrong.
19:39Right.
19:40And that colours...
19:41Sorry.
19:42That colours her opinion.
19:43What I'm saying is...
19:44But when you get threatened...
19:45Alright, yes, but that's what...
19:46Look, I'm not condoning that.
19:47She has a view.
19:48You have a view.
19:49I'm only interested in the kids.
19:51Can we try and find some middle ground with Graham?
19:53Try.
19:54I'm not having him getting hurt.
19:56I can't let him do that.
19:58He's done it all the time.
19:59I can't let him do that.
20:00This show's about truth and it's about honesty and that is your decision.
20:03I will be totally honest with you.
20:04That's fine.
20:05That is your decision.
20:06Now, here's the thing for you, my friend.
20:07You've got two options.
20:09You can run away with your new partner.
20:11Bring up that child.
20:12Listen.
20:13And wait for those kids to come and find you when you're 18.
20:16Or if I was you, and I really meant it, I can do what I should have done for the last
20:21two and a half years.
20:23No, no.
20:24Stop the war.
20:25Listen.
20:26Dignified.
20:27You go down a channel with our help to see if you can get some access.
20:30And that's what will happen.
20:32You don't take my advice, he's going to take you to court.
20:34I don't want to get involved.
20:35Right?
20:36I am.
20:37The most important thing is those kids.
20:39I do appreciate that he's been absent for two years.
20:42Yeah.
20:43But again, on a serious level, wouldn't it be wise to encourage a loving relationship
20:47between him and his children?
20:50For him to let him down again?
20:51No.
20:52And wouldn't that be in the interest of your children?
20:56Do you think it's in the interest of your children to their father to have to go to court
20:59to get to see them because that's what's going to happen?
21:01I'm not bothered.
21:02He ain't going to get nothing.
21:03All right.
21:04Well, that's your decision.
21:05We will do our best to work with you backstage.
21:06This show is about honesty.
21:07It's not about forcing people to do whatever.
21:09I respect your decision and yours.
21:11We'll work with both of you.
21:12Go that way and that way.
21:13Give them a round of applause.
21:14Thank you very much indeed.
21:15I've been in contact with Steve and Anne and also Michelle and Lee since the show
21:18and here's what they had to tell us.
21:19Steve said,
21:20Jez, since the show I still haven't been able to see my kids.
21:22I'm currently in touch with a solicitor and hoping that I can gain access in the future.
21:26Anne and I are still going strong and planning to get married in the next couple of years,
21:29which is great.
21:30Michelle counters,
21:31Steve did make contact with me after the show to see the children,
21:34but I wanted him to make the effort to get to know them again first.
21:37He hasn't been in touch since then and still doesn't offer any financial support for either
21:40of them.
21:41In my eyes, Lee is and always will be their father.
21:44As ever, you know what, we do our best and I'm sorry to hear they didn't manage to find
21:47common ground for their kids' sake and I wish that they can and hope they do in the future.
21:51Listen, join me after this break.
21:52I'll be taking a look back at more of our best moments of this series so far.
21:56I'm right back.
21:57Do you mean it's all my fault?
21:59Do you mean it's my fault?
22:00What?
22:01Do you mean it's my fault?
22:02What?
22:03Do you mean it's my fault?
22:04I didn't want this done.
22:05He just sits there drinking while my mum's doing all the housework,
22:08only because he goes to town and does a few bits in town.
22:11When you took them bow to my mum, you were there to look after my mum,
22:15not yourself, my mum.
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22:50Thank you very much indeed, welcome back.
22:57So whilst I'm here in New York filming my American show,
22:59I wanted to look back at some of the most memorable shows from the series so far
23:03before brand shows continue next week.
23:05Now, my next guest Tina was a mother in turmoil.
23:07Not only was she suffering with ill health,
23:09but she was also at a wit's end with the ongoing feud between her husband Darren and her son Dominic.
23:14Things were so bad that Tina felt she was being forced to choose between them.
23:18Let's take a look back at what happened.
23:20When I read this this morning, my first feeling was real sympathy for you
23:24because you said, I haven't got long left.
23:27No, they gave me 15 years, six years ago.
23:30I have terrible long days.
23:32It took me, Mum, my next day with 18 years and it'll take me now.
23:37And the last thing you need is to be in an environment
23:41where the two people that are closest to you are tearing each other apart
23:45and it's the impact on you, right?
23:48Tell us about Darren and Dominic.
23:50I met Darren when Dominic was four.
23:54So Dominic would be Darren's stepson?
23:56Yeah.
23:57I'm at the point now.
23:58Dominic sort of passed away when he was four, three and a half, four.
24:01I met Darren, like I say, when he was four and they got on like an house on fire.
24:05They got on really well and we were married when he was five and a half.
24:10Everything was wonderful.
24:12Everything couldn't have been better.
24:14And then Dominic got to like 30, we got into, we, me and Darren got heroin addicts.
24:20We got into being heroin addicts.
24:22And we've been clean now ten years.
24:23Well done.
24:24Thank God.
24:25And both our children, Dominic and my other son, have to go into care.
24:31Why are those two at loggerheads?
24:34I don't know.
24:35The truth of this story is you've got a husband who drinks excessively.
24:39You've got a son who smokes a huge amount of cannabis on a daily basis.
24:43And the two of them are literally, and this is not just all, they're having a feud.
24:48They scream, they shout, is there violence between them?
24:51Yeah, all the time.
24:52Look at my granddaughter's christening.
24:53Dominic and John Darren, like, they're actually physically fighting with each other.
24:57Yeah.
24:58And none of them stop and think what this is doing to you?
25:00No.
25:01No.
25:02They don't realise.
25:03Well, actually, let's put it into words.
25:05Don't make too stoned and I'm still drunk.
25:07They don't realise.
25:08What does it do to you?
25:09They don't know what to do because I physically can't come between them because I can't physically do it.
25:15I end up passing out because I lose oxygen and I can't breathe.
25:18I only have one lung that functions.
25:20You've told my team that you feel as Darren.
25:22That's my darling.
25:23I love him more than anything and he knows I do.
25:26But?
25:27But I can't do it anymore.
25:29Let's start about you and what you are doing to this woman.
25:33What do you mean, yeah?
25:35I know.
25:36I'll admit, yeah.
25:37You're killing her.
25:42Yeah.
25:43I know, I'm trying.
25:45I'm trying to get things sorted out.
25:47I really am.
25:48It's been going on for so long now though.
25:50And I don't know what to do.
25:52These arguments with Dominic.
25:54These arguments that she has to come between.
25:56What are these based on?
25:57Money.
25:58Dominic wanting money off us.
25:59Wants to bother money off us all the time.
26:01Want to buy weed?
26:02Yeah.
26:03And then when I say no to him he goes, oh you only don't say no because then you can spend it on your beer.
26:07And I see his point in a way, yeah.
26:09But it's every day.
26:12It's 24.
26:13It's every day comes.
26:15Sometimes it's twice a day.
26:17So, you know.
26:18What's my darling?
26:19He'll argue with Tina.
26:20I'll sit back in jail.
26:21I heard at the christening, he called his own mother what?
26:25Yeah.
26:26So I jumped up.
26:27Yeah.
26:28I just come out of an epileptic fit, yeah.
26:30And Dominic were defending him.
26:31And Dominic were defending me.
26:32That's why he called me.
26:33So is this a man with a drink problem who's not doing right by his mother?
26:37Or is the real issue here that it's him, this drug addict, right, who's causing problems in this relationship?
26:44No.
26:45No.
26:46To be honest, I think it's a bit of off.
26:48Don't blame Dominic.
26:49Don't blame your drinking on Dominic.
26:50I'm not blaming my drinking on Dominic.
26:52Dominic can't blame him smoking weird on me drinking.
26:55But I know he will do.
26:56What does he, her son, need to do?
26:58I'm stood here and I'm thinking this guy comes around every day poncing money off his mother for drugs
27:02and if he doesn't get it, he goes off on one.
27:04What do you think, as his stepfather, he needs to do?
27:07Because he's the kid and you're the man.
27:09I've never classed him as my son.
27:10Alright, but what does he need to do then?
27:12He needs to stop asking us for money and get off the weed.
27:15He needs to grow up, get a pair of s**t, start acting responsible.
27:19Whilst you acknowledge that you are drinking too much, what you're saying is,
27:23here is a woman who is terminally ill, whose life is being decimated.
27:27Yes, I'm in part responsible for my drinking but, in essence, we've got a son who comes round every day poncing money.
27:35She's in a difficult position because she doesn't want to upset her son.
27:38He's the issue.
27:39They both are.
27:40They both are?
27:41Yeah, but Dominic is a lot of it.
27:44Let's get Dominic on the Jeremy Karl Show that way.
27:46What the f***** do you mean he's my f*****?
27:53What the f***** do you mean he's my f*****?
27:55What the f***** do you mean he's my f*****?
27:57I didn't want this son.
27:58Don't f***** do it with me.
27:59I give my money back.
28:01Dominic!
28:02Dominic!
28:03You're trying to blame me for everything.
28:05This is what I didn't want.
28:07This is what I get with him every time.
28:08This is what I didn't want some.
28:11I will do this.
28:12Please promise me.
28:13If you love me, you won't do this.
28:15Did you hear what your mum just said? Shut up.
28:17Please.
28:18Your mum just said, if you love me, you won't do that.
28:21Apologise for what you just did and I will deal with this.
28:24Sorry.
28:26Is it like this?
28:28This is how it gets.
28:29What are you so angry about? Speak. Tell him.
28:32I'm angry at the fact that he's all right for him to go spend £1,500 and not pay the money back.
28:37When my mum gives me money, I give up every penny back.
28:40I have never, ever not give you a penny when you've lent me it.
28:43There's a few times, yeah. £1,500 you've spent.
28:46Where's that coming back from?
28:47We're paying back at the bank. £1,500 on what? On beer alone?
28:51£1,100 actually. £1,100.
28:53On beer? On the credit card, yeah.
28:55In three weeks, yeah. I've got a problem. Big problem.
28:58Why would you have a kid? Why don't you get yourself and sort yourself out?
29:01And while we're on it, why don't you sort yourself out?
29:03You've got kids everywhere. That's why I'm here, Jeremy.
29:05People always say that. What about her? I don't mean to upset you, but your mother's dying.
29:09I know, it kills me every day knowing my mum's dying.
29:12Oh, and you're making her last few years really comforting, aren't you? You two.
29:16I know.
29:17Some big war between the two big men, one drunk and the other a pothead.
29:21And look at her in the middle, too scared to tell either of you that you're both killing her.
29:25That's what you're doing. And she's going to put her hand out to you.
29:29When actually she should clip you round the ear roll.
29:32Cats, I love them.
29:33But you're not helping them.
29:35Oh, no, I'm not. I know I'm not.
29:36And they're not helping you.
29:37I know I'm not, but I can't help but love it. He's my son. He's my first born son.
29:42Tell us what you told my researchers about coming round and he's bladdered and she's...
29:47I mean, I read that. That's just...
29:48Listen, I come round, right, my dad, as soon as he gets out of bed, right, the first thing he waits for, right, is for the clock to go to 11 o'clock so he can go sit in the fridge, right, and grab his first can of the day.
29:58Then he just sits there, drinking while my mum's doing all the housework, only because he goes to town and does a few bits in town.
30:05When you took them vows with my mum, you were there to look after my mum, not yourself, my mum.
30:11I am 24-year-old, I've got my own life to deal with.
30:15Yeah, I know, Dominic.
30:16That's all you've said, I know. And you hold her hand.
30:19I've been with her for 19 years now.
30:20You're not doing a very good job, are you? Maybe he's right.
30:22It's only the last few years that I've been this bad.
30:24Oh, well, that's all right. Then the last few years will stop.
30:27It's not all right.
30:28Maybe he's right.
30:29What are you waving your head for?
30:31Because this is what he's like with me all the time, blames me for everything.
30:36Yeah, I know I'm applied.
30:39I'm now going to pay that back to the bank and I am doing it.
30:42Do you know how much I've wanted to go in the army since I was nine-year-old?
30:44Yeah.
30:45And I started smoking weed, my mum and dad didn't know this, but I've been smoking weed since I was ten-year-old.
30:49How about that?
30:50Didn't know about that.
30:52Right then, you didn't know I've been smoking weed since I was ten-year-old.
30:56I've been smoking weed since I was ten-year-old because of the way you and my mum were.
31:00What do you mean by that?
31:01When they were heroin addicts, I didn't know what to do.
31:04I went out with my mates.
31:08I'd go out with my mates and one day one of my mates introduced this really long roll-up as I looked at it when I was a kid.
31:15And I had a try of it and I enjoyed it.
31:18And ever since then, it's just, it gets more and more and more.
31:23And yeah, I do smoke 20 quid worth a day.
31:25And I can guarantee I can smoke it within half an hour, 45 minutes on my own.
31:29I've sat there and I've smoked 50 pound a day.
31:32Where'd you get the money from?
31:33My mum.
31:34My girlfriend.
31:36The doll.
31:38The doll?
31:39Me then.
31:40Brilliant.
31:41Do you want more for your life?
31:43I do want more for my life.
31:44I want to be a soldier since I've been a kid.
31:47But I'm not having to go at you.
31:48You're ill, but he grew up watching two people as heroin addicts and you're just sitting there saying nothing.
31:52An ex-heroine addict who's now a drinker who blames him.
31:56No, I don't blame him.
31:57Good role model you turned out to be, didn't you?
31:59Useless.
32:00Both of us.
32:01Yeah, I could have been a better dad, yeah.
32:02Well, why don't you talk to him?
32:03He shouldn't have gotten into care, yeah.
32:04Well, why don't you talk to him?
32:05Because that's what this is about.
32:06Look at him.
32:07Right, Dominic.
32:08Yeah, I've had a lot of debt because of the heroin.
32:10Yeah?
32:11And I left.
32:12And I left you on your own with your mum and that.
32:14Alright.
32:15Shooting at me at the train station for you.
32:17Why don't you listen to him?
32:18Do you remember shooting me at the train, trying to shoot me in at the train station?
32:22Yes, I do.
32:23Because he couldn't get hold of you.
32:24Yes, I know.
32:25Because you ran away with everything.
32:26Yes.
32:27And left me to deal with it all.
32:28So I've been running most of my life.
32:31When I was in Wales, the only thing I could do was run.
32:34I'd run to Keefley, the only place I could settle myself down, right, and smoke my weed the way I wanted to smoke it.
32:40In my own time, I lived in a hostel four times.
32:43I've had two shared houses from the hostel.
32:46But Dominic, it's not always been like that, if you remember.
32:48When we lived in Newcombe, we were almost...
32:49We all shared a tent together.
32:50We all shared a tent, yeah.
32:51We got on fantastic.
32:53We did get on fantastic.
32:54I had my mates watching you while I was living in a hostel.
32:57Some of the last few years that things have got like this between us.
32:59I had all my mates watching you on the beach while I was in a hostel.
33:02Yes, I know.
33:03What sort of upbringing is that?
33:08Eh?
33:09I know.
33:10There's a girl on the screen, Tony.
33:11This is your girlfriend, right?
33:12Oh, look at her.
33:13Now, this is the other bit.
33:15You two absolutely hate this girl.
33:19Yeah, I don't.
33:20In everything you said to her.
33:21I don't know if she were on fire.
33:22Because of what she did to her.
33:23She left him.
33:24I really wanted her.
33:25I don't care how you feel.
33:26It's how I feel about her.
33:27That girl, I love her more than anything apart from my kids.
33:30And I'll always love you, Dominic, but I don't want to see her.
33:33Yeah, well, no matter what.
33:34You want me as much.
33:35You will grit your teeth and you will let that happen.
33:38Why haven't you got such a problem with this girl?
33:40I just don't like her.
33:41If you could have a second chance, why can't she?
33:43Good question.
33:44She's on the show.
33:45Tony's here.
33:46Give her a round of applause.
33:51Tony, welcome to the show.
33:52They should stop arguing and enjoy the time they have left together.
33:55Yeah.
33:56What's your view here?
33:57I think they're all as bad as each other.
33:59I mean, Dominic and Darren have been at each other's throats since I've been in there.
34:03Since I've been with Dominic.
34:04But it's real hate.
34:06By anybody's standards, it is complete hate.
34:09Although at least he's passionate.
34:10You just sit there looking like butter wouldn't melt.
34:12You really annoy me.
34:13Do you know that?
34:14Well, I'm sorry.
34:15I don't mean to, Jeremy.
34:16You haven't been...
34:17I just don't want to speak to her.
34:18I don't even want to look at her.
34:19Oh, I'll tell you what.
34:20Let's just mess his life up.
34:21Let's take some heroin so he goes into care, right?
34:23And then when he tries to get his life, which isn't going particularly well,
34:26because you really haven't done too good a job.
34:27And when he's with a girl and maybe it's good and maybe it's not,
34:30you don't want to speak to her.
34:32Don't you, if you think there is a way of making it easier for this lady,
34:37it would be to make it easier for him to come round and see his mum and accept his life,
34:41like he had to accept you're a heroin addict and an alcoholic.
34:44Wouldn't that be the way to go?
34:46Yeah.
34:47Oh, yeah.
34:48That was the way.
34:49Actually, isn't...
34:51No.
34:52Okay.
34:53Do you know what?
34:54I get here.
34:55I apologise for what I said a minute ago.
34:56I wouldn't...
34:57If you were on fire, I would put you out.
34:58And I'm sorry.
34:59I shouldn't have said that.
35:00What a nice way back.
35:01A little time.
35:02I bet that's changed your morning.
35:04I can now go home knowing if I'm on fire, he'd have weed on me.
35:07Whoa!
35:08What a result.
35:09If you make Dominic happy, fine.
35:11It's all I want to do.
35:12I love you both more than you know.
35:15And I need you both more than you know.
35:17Yes, I know.
35:19And I don't need you fighting.
35:21I don't need you smoking.
35:22I don't need you drinking.
35:24And your little brothers, your two little brothers, need you more.
35:29I need you not to hurt him again, Tony.
35:32I don't intend to.
35:33Don't hurt him again.
35:34I don't intend to.
35:35Please.
35:36I've come here.
35:37I want to take him out of the equation.
35:38If you've got that much feeling for me, don't hurt him.
35:41I worship the ground you walk on.
35:43At what point do you stop blaming each other, scoring points, trying to say I was right,
35:47you were worse?
35:48This is about a terminally ill lady.
35:50I just don't like the fact that he blames me for his drinking.
35:53I didn't put no gun to his head and told him to put the patent in his mouth.
35:55Guess what, my friends?
35:56You blame each other.
35:57And the only way you will ever get resolution is what?
36:00By taking responsibility for what you both do.
36:03You are a pothead.
36:04And if you want to keep a relationship and you want to be the son that your mother tells
36:09us that you can be, do you want me to be really honest with you?
36:14Honestly?
36:15Without upsetting you?
36:16I'm saying what you've got to say.
36:17You're going to keep smoking yourself to death, right?
36:20And she's going to die.
36:22And you will never, ever get over it.
36:25And for the people who don't like the way I do this, I'm going to be even more blunt.
36:28You will ruin your life if you don't get this sorted now.
36:32She's all right, your mum.
36:33My mum's the best thing in the world.
36:35And she deserves you too.
36:36The best in the world.
36:37So I'm going to ask you a favour.
36:40Will you take this brave lady backstage?
36:43Tell him where you let him down.
36:45Tell him.
36:46I let him down when I became an addict, yeah.
36:49I ran away and left you to go into care.
36:51The day before you went to care, yeah.
36:53I ran off and I left you.
36:54And I've regretted it ever since, Dominic.
36:56And I've tried my best to come and make it up to you ever since.
36:59It's just the last few years.
37:00I don't know, we've just seen it drifted so far apart.
37:03I mean, we used to be on the same pool team.
37:05We used to go canoeing, Dad.
37:06We used to go hiking, camping.
37:08I know we did.
37:09I haven't done that with you in like four or five years now.
37:11Yeah, I know.
37:12I don't want to be able the only bonding session is to come to a pub and play pool with you all day.
37:17I know.
37:18Don't want that.
37:19I know you don't.
37:20I don't care where we go.
37:21I could go sit in a caravan all day with you.
37:22I don't care.
37:23I know.
37:24I'm drinking water as long as it's just me and you.
37:26You two, together, I'm going to go and tell her what you are going to do, how you're going
37:31to get sorted and how, look at her, and how you're going to make this right.
37:34Go, together, do it properly.
37:35I don't want you to.
37:36I don't.
37:37We will do this.
37:38We'll do it as a family.
37:39Together.
37:40I'm sorry.
37:41But you've got to accept only two for me.
37:42I just want my son and my husband back.
37:44You've got a baby brother.
37:45You've got a younger brother.
37:46You've got two beautiful, two more beautiful sons that love you.
37:50Get this right, because I want to bring you back in some months when she's happy and this
38:06is sorted.
38:07The war's over, yes?
38:08Promise me.
38:09Yeah, I promise.
38:10War's over?
38:11Yeah.
38:12Love you, babe.
38:13Give him a round of applause, ladies and gentlemen.
38:14We'll leave you behind and see you.
38:17I caught up with Tina, Darren and Dominic recently, and here's what they had to say.
38:21Tina says, we're all so much happier since the show.
38:23Darren and Dom get on much better than before.
38:25We've managed to build a normal father and son relationship.
38:27And a big thank you to you, Jez, and the team for all of your help.
38:30Darren says, things have just got better and better.
38:32Jeremy gave us the kick up the backside we needed.
38:35I've stopped drinking altogether now, and Dominic and I enjoy spending quality time together.
38:39We're happier, which is great.
38:40Dom says, being on the show helped me so much.
38:43I took the advice from the aftercare team.
38:44I've managed to work on my cannabis addiction.
38:46My dad and I get along so much better.
38:48I'm happy to also say that my girlfriend Tony and I are expecting another baby next year,
38:53which is fantastic news.
38:55And as ever, I am delighted to hear they've managed to resolve their differences.
38:58And long, long may it continue.
38:59Join me after this break when I'll be catching up with more past guests.
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39:47It's forward slash Jeremy Kyle.
39:50Thank you very much indeed.
39:55Welcome back and a big thanks for joining me.
39:57Whilst I look back at some of our most memorable shows.
40:00Now, my next guest Ali was here to confront her sister Mandy.
40:03This lady was convinced that Mandy had slept with her ex-husband whilst they were still married.
40:08Now, Ali was insisting on a lie detector test to find out the truth.
40:11Let's take a look back and see what happened when they were on the show.
40:14This centres on, you know, your ex, Wayne, right?
40:18Yeah.
40:19Tell us what happened, in your own words, from the beginning.
40:21Well, basically, I mean, it was alright when we got together.
40:25You know, it was, the relationship was fine.
40:27And then it just started to go downhill, like, she started, like, being over too friendly with him.
40:34You said they would send messages to each other.
40:36Yeah.
40:37You said it almost felt to you like they were in a relationship and you were on the outside.
40:42Yeah, I just felt like I was his, I was just like a friend.
40:46So, New Year's Eve was the day of the argument.
40:48Yeah.
40:49What happened after that?
40:50Well, we had a row at New Year's Eve.
40:52I think it was just before 12 o'clock.
40:54Nice time to have a round.
40:55I know, yeah.
40:56Happy New Year.
40:57And he walked off.
40:59And, obviously, Mandy came and followed me.
41:03And, and she would, she would tell me to leave him alone.
41:07Which I thought was quite weird because he's my husband.
41:09Now, if I wanted to go and follow him, I would do, you know.
41:13And I did follow him for about five or six minutes and then just left him.
41:17And I said to him, I'm going to my mum's house.
41:18You know, mum lives.
41:19You want to come to me and that's fine.
41:21There she is.
41:22And she's sister.
41:23At the end of the day, he went back to her house and just stayed there.
41:26So, he went back to his, to your sister's house for three days.
41:30Yeah.
41:31Stayed there.
41:32Yeah.
41:33And you think during that time they had sex.
41:34Yeah.
41:35Did you speak to him?
41:36Did you go and see him?
41:37I did speak to him, yeah.
41:38What did he say?
41:39Um, just basically like, he wasn't coming home.
41:44You told up my researchers that she, your sister, stopped you from talking to your then boyfriend.
41:48Yeah.
41:49These accusations.
41:50Um, you admit you are sick of them.
41:52Oh, yeah.
41:53Very much so.
41:54Tell her what it's done to you.
41:56Well, she knows in a way that it has destroyed our relationship, sister-wise.
42:01And it's, it's just beyond a joke.
42:05Sure you didn't sleep with him?
42:06No.
42:07He told her you did.
42:08Well, he's lying.
42:09And I'll prove by the test of that.
42:11Well, you do, because he had actually said that he did do it.
42:14And he, he admitted to me that he went with, with another person.
42:17That's why I forgave him, then he said he did it.
42:19Where was he supposed to have slept with her then, Alison?
42:20Pardon?
42:21Where was he supposed to have slept with her?
42:22At home.
42:23In my house?
42:24Yeah.
42:25Well, that's...
42:26Because you were at work.
42:27Alright.
42:28Because I was there all the time Wayne was there.
42:30Well, he said on the Monday when you...
42:31Well, that's...
42:32So, Stephen, you're Mandy's partner.
42:33Yeah.
42:34You're Mandy's partner of 15 years.
42:35What has this done to your relationship, to her, to their, everything?
42:38What's happened here?
42:39The strain is...
42:41It's unreal.
42:42Every time you see this accusation comes up, Erwin Doris gets so stressed.
42:46I'm the one that takes a brunt.
42:48Not Alison.
42:49Do you believe your wife?
42:50It's me and the kids.
42:51Implicitly.
42:52Why isn't that good enough for you?
42:54I just...
42:56Because he told...
42:57Because, like I said, Wayne told me one thing, and obviously Mandy's telling me something else.
43:00It's a big ask, though, isn't it?
43:02So, I'm going to sit downstairs while them two are upstairs going boom, boom, boom, and the bloody floor's doing that.
43:07Why do you think my name is, idiot?
43:09So, er, you trust your wife implicitly.
43:11Why would she make this up, then?
43:12Why wouldn't she let go of it, Steve?
43:13Do you really want my opinion?
43:14Yeah, that's why I ask for it.
43:15It's self-delusioned.
43:16Self-delusioned?
43:18Self-delusional, self-centred b****.
43:24What'd you say to that?
43:25I want pole punches from nobody.
43:27He...
43:28That's his opinion.
43:29How important is this for you two today?
43:31Very important to me.
43:32Yeah, very, yeah.
43:33Because if she hasn't failed...
43:35We can get on and what...
43:36Then it's relationship and get back on track if she...
43:38You know, if she passes, do you think you...
43:40If you pass, do you think this will work ever again or not?
43:42I'll give it one more chance, yeah.
43:44And if it ever does fester up again, either with, er, the ex or her current partner now,
43:50then that would be it.
43:51There will be no more.
43:52But if it comes back, Jeremy, that she isn't lying and it's just going to go away,
43:56I will never bring it up again.
43:57We've heard from the two of you.
43:58We've heard from your partner, Stephen of 15 years.
44:00He said,
44:01What sort of doughnut do you think I am?
44:02She...
44:03I trust my wife implicitly.
44:04Nothing...
44:05Nothing unto what happened.
44:06Do you want to come on stage?
44:07And support your wife?
44:08Yeah, of course we will.
44:09Alright, let's get a chair here for Stephen.
44:10Give him a round of applause.
44:11Thank you, bud.
44:16Nice.
44:17We trust you completely.
44:18Also, Wayne, the ex-husband, to give you an idea, we've got a statement.
44:20I did not cheat on my ex-wife, Alison, with her sister, Mandy.
44:24Mandy was a mate to me when I was going through a rough patch with my wife.
44:28I stayed on the sofa at Mandy's house on two occasions, but nothing happened.
44:32I walked out of my marriage because of Alison's temper and anger,
44:36and in hindsight, I believe I shouldn't have married her in the first place.
44:39She's a compulsive liar, and I feel sad for Mandy because she has suffered as much as I have.
44:45You believe him?
44:46I believe him.
44:47I tell you what, if that man was here now, I'd shake his bloody hand,
44:51because he's absolutely told the truth.
44:53So you believe your wife will pass?
44:55100%, partner, yeah?
44:56I've got no...
44:57I don't even know why she had to do it.
44:59You're going to pass?
45:00Of course she's going to pass.
45:01What about you? 50-50?
45:02Let's do this.
45:03All important lie detector results, please, Will.
45:05Thank you very much indeed.
45:06Very simply, the questions that were asked of Mandy, the answers that she gave,
45:09and whether, indeed, she was telling the truth or not.
45:12We asked Mandy if you ever had sexual intercourse with Ali's ex-husband, Wayne.
45:17She said no.
45:18Did you say no?
45:19Yes.
45:20Why did you say no?
45:21Because I was telling the truth.
45:22She was telling the truth.
45:23We asked her, have you ever had sexual contact with Ali's ex-husband, Wayne?
45:36She said no because your sister was telling the truth, of course.
45:43Have you passionately kissed Ali's ex-husband, Wayne?
45:47No.
45:48Do you want to fill in the gap?
45:49Telling the truth.
45:50I get on your knees, lady, because you accused your sister of an unforgivable act,
45:54and she, right, A and one didn't do it, but what a top bloke she's got sat next to
45:59who doesn't believe a word of what you said.
46:01Tell you what.
46:02Thank you, Jeremy.
46:03It's true.
46:04You...
46:05You...
46:06You did apologise.
46:08You stand up there, right, and apologise, not to me, to your sister.
46:13I know.
46:14I don't think I know that.
46:15You ever bring this up again, Alison.
46:17But it won't be brought up against you.
46:18I promise you, on television now, I promise you,
46:22you will never, ever see any of my family again.
46:26No.
46:27You have to come down to this way.
46:28You should have just took my word for it.
46:29I know I should have taken it, but if I'd have taken your word on it,
46:32then why did he tell me that he went...
46:34Because he was lying, darling.
46:36And what I was trying to make a point to you was, and people watching this show,
46:40you should be very sure anybody should, of making an accusation.
46:44Do you want to know why?
46:45Because it's not just about you and your ex-husband.
46:47He makes the point.
46:48Yeah, I know.
46:49It's his wife, his partner, him, the kids, the other relatives,
46:53everybody has swallowed this rubbish for months, okay?
46:55I know, but he was the one that told me.
46:57He said he went with somebody else and he went with my sister.
46:59You are wrong.
47:00Forget that rubbish.
47:01She is the victim.
47:02Say sorry properly and mean it.
47:03I did, and I am sorry.
47:04I have said sorry.
47:05And I want a relationship with her and Steve and the kids.
47:10Well, let it go, then, for crying out loud.
47:12I will, but I will.
47:15To be quite honest, I'm fed up of hearing about it.
47:19It just annoys me, you know.
47:20You've got the truth.
47:21It's over.
47:23Last word from you, Mandy.
47:24I appreciate everything you and the team's done to clear my name.
47:28I knew 100% I was going to clear my name, and that's it.
47:33As I said to Alison before, if it happens again, if it comes up again,
47:38or if anything goes wrong with her new partner, then I'm out of it.
47:43Now, I've since caught up with Ali and Mandy, and here's what they had to tell us.
47:48Ali says Mandy and I were really happy after the show, Jez.
47:50The lie detector helped us to resolve things between us, and we're getting on great.
47:54Recently, though, I feel like she's not been there for me when I've needed her,
47:57so we're currently not in contact again.
47:59I do hope we can sort these problems out, as I'm due to get married next year,
48:02and I'd love to have her at my wedding.
48:04Mandy says that after the show, my sister Ali and I managed to rebuild our relationship,
48:07and everything was going great until a few weeks ago, when, unfortunately, Jez, we had another dispute.
48:12Now, Ali has made more accusations against me, and I've decided it's time I got on with my life without her.
48:17You know what? I'm always sorry to hear that it hasn't been working out so well,
48:20but I hope in the future they can make this work and put their relationship to bed.
48:25I am, for this morning, out of time. Thank you very much indeed for watching.
48:28I will see you very soon. Take care. Bye-bye for now.
48:42Bye-bye for now.